[01:21] <nacc> mdeslaur: thanks for the poke, i uploaded 7.0.15 will work on the SRU tmrw AM
[01:21] <nacc> mdeslaur: from your perspective, and given the decision in 16.04, do you have an opinion on what to do about php7.1 in 17.04?
[01:22] <nacc> mdeslaur: it's in universe right now, and i believe is safely coinstallable with php7.0. But I'm not sure we want to have both be availabe
[01:22] <nacc> rbasak: --^ may also have an opinion
[01:45] <countingdaisies> What are options for nomenclature of the files in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled  ?? I'm wondering if, like /etc/hosts, I can just make up whatever naming scheme I want and how apache2 handles it when it looks for them?
[01:45] <countingdaisies> is 000-*    the only format one could use?
[01:45] <sarnold> make sure the filenames end in .conf
[01:46] <sarnold> the numbers are just there to make it easy to sort
[01:46] <countingdaisies> sarnold: Right on. And, is there a reason that numbers are prefixed with the default naming?  (ie: 000-default.conf)?
[01:47] <countingdaisies> I mean a practical reason one 'better' do it that way?
[01:47] <sarnold> the 'default' is just there so you know it's a default :)
[01:47] <nacc> countingdaisies: more than likely that is to ensure a particular order of loading
[01:47] <countingdaisies> nacc: I see.
[01:47] <countingdaisies> thx
[01:48] <nacc> i'd have to verify in the init script, but that's typical, at least, and affects the globbing
[01:48] <sarnold> didn't apache suck that into the daemon startup?
[01:48] <nacc> sarnold: oh might be true, yeah
[01:53] <mdeslaur> nacc: meh, we definitely want it in 18.04, which means we probably want it in 17.10....but for 17.04, it's probably not worth the time trying to make sure everything is co-installable and works
[01:54] <mdeslaur> nacc: personally, I'd wait until 17.10 and then get rid of 7.0
[01:54] <nacc> mdeslaur: yeah, that's my thinking as well
[02:10] <monokrome> Does anyone know if I can have a .xsession file in my home directory for my window manager? I am trying to avoid having it in /usr/share/xsessions/
[02:11] <sarnold> monokrome: hehe, yeah, your home dir is far more usual
[02:11] <monokrome> sarnold:  I would think that, but everything I see online says to throw it in /usr/local/
[02:11] <monokrome> Do you know where it needs to be placed?
[02:12] <sarnold> monokrome: that might be just so an admin can give users happy defaults so they don't have to write their own
[02:12] <sarnold> monokrome: I can't recall if it is ~/.xsession or ~/.Xsession. It's been so long :/
[02:13] <monokrome> aaran: Well, usually you have to create a .xsession file in /usr/local/xsessions that points to ~/.xsession or whatever you want to call it
[02:13] <monokrome> and I'm trying to avoid creating the desktop entry in /usr/local
[02:14] <sarnold> I thought all that was configured already in /etc/X11/Xsession*
[02:14] <monokrome> ah
[02:14] <monokrome> maybe it's automatic now
[02:14] <monokrome> will try
[02:14] <monokrome> Thanks :)
[02:17] <monokrome> Well, that didn't workl
[02:18] <sarnold> you may need to select something specific at the graphical login screen if you're using one
[02:21] <monokrome> There aren't really any options in there
[02:21] <monokrome> I'm just using the default Ubuntu login screen
[02:22] <monokrome> whoa, sorry - I did *not* realize that I tabbed into #ubuntu-server instead of #ubuntu
[02:25] <Seven_Six_Two> okie dokie pokie. so I followed the nfs4 instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NFSv4Howto  and still have the same problem. filesystem mounts rw, but I can't write to is..
[02:26] <Seven_Six_Two> no errors. /etc contains the lines:  /export	192.168.168.0/24(rw,fsid=0,no_subtree_check,sync)
[02:26] <Seven_Six_Two>  /export/www 192.168.168.0/24(rw,nohide,no_subtree_check,sync)
[02:27] <Seven_Six_Two> and I mount the child explicitly.
[03:47] <Seven_Six_Two> ugh. I wish documentation was better for NFSv4. Here's where I'm at.
[03:47] <Seven_Six_Two> https://paste.ubuntu.com/23958578/
[03:48] <Seven_Six_Two> any NFSv4 pro out there? I can mount, but I can't write.
[03:50] <Seven_Six_Two> uid gid on client and server match. /etc/idmapd.conf contains domains on both (but not in pastebin for server. it's there!)
[03:51] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: what happens when you try to write?
[03:52] <Seven_Six_Two> touch: cannot touch 'text.txt': Permission denied
[03:53] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: can you cd to the mount point and ls?
[03:53] <Seven_Six_Two> yes
[03:53] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: ok, then most likely, the denial is being issued by the server
[03:53] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: i believe nfs can/does log stuff?
[03:53] <Seven_Six_Two> I don't know. I can't find anything
[03:54] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: also, trying to understand, but would the uid on the server be able to write to /export?
[03:55] <Seven_Six_Two> no, but that's not the root, not the folder that I'm trying to write to
[03:55] <Seven_Six_Two> *that's the root
[03:55] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: ok, then /export/www
[03:56] <Seven_Six_Two> so, no. /export/www is root.root
[03:57] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: right, so how would you be able to write to it over NFS?
[03:57] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: i don't know much about it, but that's where i'd start, at least
[03:57] <Seven_Six_Two> it's actually a subfolder of that, owned by www-data.www-data that I'm trying to write to
[03:58] <nacc> even that, though, unless you modify the permissions on it, won't generically be writeable over NFS, aiui
[03:58] <Seven_Six_Two> ok, I'm not sure how to change it, and it's bind mounted
[03:58] <nacc> or you need to do some swizzling, maybe
[03:58] <Seven_Six_Two> I changed the subfolder and all contents to g+rwX
[03:59] <patdk-lap> you setup kerberos?
[03:59] <Seven_Six_Two> no
[03:59] <Seven_Six_Two> no kerberos
[03:59] <Seven_Six_Two> trying to use uid gid
[03:59] <patdk-lap> not sure nfs4 will work right for security without it
[03:59] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: i might be wrong on my point, as NFS4 has changed it signifcantly
[03:59] <patdk-lap> but then, I have only played with nfs4 on solaris
[03:59] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: were you following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NFSv4Howto
[04:00] <Seven_Six_Two> yes. that's one that I started with
[04:00] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: i note that you have not set 'sec=sys' in both places
[04:01] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: from the client, what are the permissions on the directoryou want to write to (`ls -ahl`) ?
[04:02] <Seven_Six_Two> drwxrwxr-x 10 www-data www-data
[04:02] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: and is your user either www-data or in the group www-data?
[04:03] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: and note that help.ubuntu.com page tells you how to enable logging, which seems like something you should do
[04:03] <Seven_Six_Two> nacc, I think I skipped sec=sys because a bit later on, it says "They do not work", which I took to mean sec=sys in both places does not work. It looks like the guide has had multiple edits
[04:03] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: you have it on, in your client
[04:04] <Seven_Six_Two> interesting. I see that. It isn't in my mount command
[04:04] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: i believe if you set sec=sys on your client, then it will use local uid/gid to determine permissions
[04:04] <Seven_Six_Two> and I don't see where to put that in the server
[04:05] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: and if you are doing this as the 'fathead' user (based upon mountpoint), then you probably don't have appropriate permissions to write to the directory
[04:05] <Seven_Six_Two> so it's set, and uid and gid match
[04:05] <Seven_Six_Two> I added fathead to www-data group on client
[04:05] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: are you logged in as that user?
[04:05] <Seven_Six_Two> yes
[04:05] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: did you logout & login after the group change?
[04:05] <Seven_Six_Two> rebooted
[04:06] <Seven_Six_Two> I hit that wall yesterday  ;)
[04:06] <Seven_Six_Two> uid=1000(fathead) gid=1000(fathead) groups=1000(fathead),4(adm),24(cdrom),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),33(www-data),46(plugdev),108(lpadmin),110(sambashare),1001(realtime)
[04:07] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: well, i'd start by adding the logging as on that page and see if it's client or server-side denial
[04:07] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: and then https://workaround.org/articlenfs-secsys-or-ruin-your-day/ this sort of implies it's a pain...
[04:07] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: sorry, i'm done for the day, gl! hopefully others can ehlp
[04:08] <Seven_Six_Two> thanks a lot nacc!
[04:09] <patdk-lap> why if you want something this basic, I would just recommend using nfs3
[04:10] <Seven_Six_Two> because I've made a bunch of changes, and I'm afraid that if I try to revert, I'll forget one, and get even more frustrated.
[04:10] <patdk-lap> that isn't hard
[04:10] <Seven_Six_Two> I mount nfsv3 shares, so I know it works
[04:10] <patdk-lap> nfs3 doesn't understand all that stuff or use it, so it will be ignored :)
[04:11] <patdk-lap> but if the goal is to use nfs4, sure
[04:11] <Seven_Six_Two> no. the goal is to make it work, and I guess my client assumed nfsv4 so I kept going on that road.
[04:12] <patdk-lap> yes, nfs4 has been the default for awhile
[04:16] <Seven_Six_Two> damn. nothing in the logs showing an error either.
[04:16] <Seven_Six_Two> ok. I'll try to switch back.
[04:16] <Seven_Six_Two> do I have to unbind the directory?
[04:20] <countingdaisies> I had no idea apache was this easy nor that it gave you such a deep level of control. Ya'all are a lifesaver for real.
[04:22] <countingdaisies> Someone else did that for me years ago with file paths and how that works and it opened up a whole new level for me bc of the one little conversation. Super cool.
[04:29] <Seven_Six_Two> so I think I've reverted everything. when I try to mount the nfs export using -t nfs
[04:30] <Seven_Six_Two> it still mounts nfsv4. and -t nfs3 isn't an option like nfs4
[04:33] <Seven_Six_Two> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo   even using NFS Client settings, instead of NFSv4 Client settings mounts as nfs4.
[04:43] <patdk-lap> vers=3
[04:44] <patdk-lap> you also likely didn't setup the server to reject v4 connections
[04:44] <Seven_Six_Two> no I don't think I did. I came across a blog that mentioned it, but the entirety of the instructions seemed overblown
[04:45] <patdk-lap> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2160663
[04:45] <Seven_Six_Two> I'm using nfs3 using fstab where it's explicit. It's strange that that option isn't mentioned in mount manpage or any other nfs setup guide
[04:45] <patdk-lap> it's an option, vers=3
[04:46] <patdk-lap> I'm using nfsvers=3
[04:46] <Seven_Six_Two> oh that page. yeah, I didn't do that because I didn't need it for current mounts (but version is in fstab)
[04:46] <patdk-lap> in fstab: nfs.server.... /var/... nfs noatime,rw,nfsvers=3,rsize=131072,wsize=131072,hard,intr
[04:46] <Seven_Six_Two> and there was no confirmation that it works. and it's 4 years old
[04:46] <patdk-lap> oh, add on also _netdev
[04:47] <patdk-lap> well that is easy to verify, man rpc.mountd
[04:47] <Seven_Six_Two> yeah, I have it in fstab for my server, but I've had problems with long filesystem hangs when nfs mounts aren't available, and since this is a vm, putting mount in fstab seemed like a bad plan.
[04:47] <patdk-lap> nobootwait
[04:48] <Seven_Six_Two> I've had nautilus not list files in my home folder when nfs mounts aren't there.
[04:48] <Seven_Six_Two> ok, I'll look in to those. I saw _netdev on one tutorial
[04:48] <patdk-lap> you need _netdev
[04:49] <patdk-lap> nobootwait would depend on useage
[04:49] <patdk-lap> wait for nfs mount to work, during boot
[04:49] <Seven_Six_Two> do I just put _netdev in fstab?
[04:49] <patdk-lap> or skip
[04:49] <patdk-lap> yes
[05:01] <Seven_Six_Two> oh my. It finally works!
[05:01] <Seven_Six_Two> It only took me hours longer than it should have.
[05:01] <Seven_Six_Two> thanks for your input patdk-lap
[05:02]  * Seven_Six_Two closes a thousand tabs, and turns music back on.
[06:33] <countingdaisies> Does anyone know what to do?  http://imgur.com/a/jxmNu
[06:34] <countingdaisies> I think I'm supposed to use apt-get to solve this one, but I need some clarification. Any help would really be appreciated.
[06:35] <countingdaisies> And it isn't clear to me what packages it's saying are missing (as in the exact package names)
[06:36] <alkisg> countingdaisies: since eramba isn't an ubuntu package, I would assume it's not supported in the ubuntu channels, but in their own channels...
[06:37] <alkisg> Don't they have any irc channels or forums or mailing lists to ask?
[06:42] <countingdaisies> alkisg: check it out, no they don't, not at all. They have very little documentation, what there is is glossed over (expected base knowledge is a bit high for me), it's a php application (which involves apache and mysql), and have very very little exper with any of them. This, eramba, is GRC software and is the only open source GRC software that I can find (probably is the only 'foss' one in...
[06:42] <countingdaisies> ...existance). I perceive it is a very very good application, but I need some help to get over the bumps on this. The ubuntu apache package is unique to ubuntu (ie: different than upstream) - that's what I'm told when I as questions in #httpd (and mysql is the same).  Are over 400 users logged into this chanel being forbidden to address my question?
[06:43] <countingdaisies> Mow I've been going in circles with this application for several weeks now - what exactly am I expected to do (other than what I'm doing right now)?
[06:44] <alkisg> countingdaisies: http://www.eramba.org/resources/enterprise-services/
[06:44] <countingdaisies> #ubuntu explicitly advised to come to this chanel with these questions earlier tonight
[06:44] <alkisg> I see they have support contracts there
[06:44] <countingdaisies> I know
[06:44] <alkisg> Well, that's how they are supposed to keep development going
[06:44] <countingdaisies> alkisg: if you don't want to talk about it then don't
[06:44] <countingdaisies> let someone else then
[06:45]  * lynorian has never used that software
[06:45] <countingdaisies> now I asked a very direct question: "Are over 400 users logged into this chanel being forbidden to address my question?"
[06:45] <cpaelzer> countingdaisies: it isn't the most used software, so experience with it might be low
[06:45] <samba35> today i update my 16.04.1(for some package 16.04.1 is update long time back from 16.04 ) after update openvswitch is behaving very rude :( ,after every boot config setting is lost ,need to reconfigure every time
[06:45] <countingdaisies> cause then maybe the mod in #ubuntu would wonder why when he gave me explicit direction to come to this chanel with these questions
[06:45] <countingdaisies> no damit
[06:46] <lynorian> countingdaisies, no they are not forbidden to address your question sometimes people just might not know
[06:46] <cpaelzer> countingdaisies: there was no experience there and he likely had hoped that the server folks might know
[06:46] <cpaelzer> countingdaisies: no bad things in that
[06:47] <countingdaisies> cpaelzer: I only ever asked permission to ask the question (0bbiously I have to fight to be a part of the community)
[06:47] <cpaelzer> countingdaisies: did you follow that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmxdBCLmk9c to get to your failing dependency checks?
[06:47] <samba35> cpaelzer: Hallo morning
[06:47] <cpaelzer> countingdaisies: you never have to ask for permission to ask, but OTOH you can neither force an answer - especiall in a topic that only a super-low percentage has experience with
[06:48] <cpaelzer> hi samba35
[06:48] <samba35> is there was some update for openvswitch today/yesterday
[06:48] <cpaelzer> countingdaisies: I must smile comparing your rant on their documentation and seeing on the eramba website "the installation procedure has been well documented on our website"
[06:48] <cpaelzer> samba35: which release?
[06:48] <samba35> 16.04.1
[06:49] <countingdaisies> cpaelzer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt6IQ4Kf8HM  and  https://github.com/ivuk/eramba-vagrant/blob/master/eramba_deploy.sh   are what I used, now I'm trying to work through the specific problems reported but unsure what they mean
[06:50] <countingdaisies> and the documentation on their site (I forgot)
[06:53] <alkisg> (08:44:39 πμ) countingdaisies: alkisg: if you don't want to talk about it then don't ==> I can't talk about it because I've never used it; I was just trying to help you in finding the correct place to get help. If you don't want that kind of help, I'll gladly stop trying to help you that way.
[06:53] <cpaelzer> countingdaisies: I never touched eramab, but skimming over their doc appears to me to be bound on very old dependencies
[06:53] <cpaelzer> countingdaisies: e.g. look at Operating System Specs at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vxh1knFcB6_ZVPUF4hy9i5XafIR3BijoZffCL_vjRVU/edit
[06:53] <cpaelzer> php7 not supported
[06:54] <cpaelzer> Maybe the doc is outdated, but that is what they link still
[06:54] <lynorian> cpaelzer, yeah that can easily happen for people to forget to update documentation
[06:55] <countingdaisies> alkisg: no offense. It's something I consider to be a barrier to finding the help I need. Again, no offense, just a sensitive spot for me
[06:55] <countingdaisies> cpaelzer: I had to downgrade to php5
[06:55] <cpaelzer> yeah--
[06:55] <countingdaisies> I think the community edition is the prev edition
[06:55] <lynorian> yes they have not updated the application to php 7 I think
[06:56] <countingdaisies> It was/is my only hope to ever use this type of software as i probably will never afford the cost associated with grc software.
[06:57] <cpaelzer> countingdaisies: I'd expect that their other deps are on an older level as well - and no matter how unreadable their check is - for know not knowing better, I'd assume that
[06:57] <cpaelzer> countingdaisies: have you tried to set up on a ubuntu 14.04
[06:57] <cpaelzer> ?
[06:57] <countingdaisies> Could the dependency (eg: curl libraries  for example) be missing from within the application (rather than ubuntu)?
[06:58] <cpaelzer> countingdaisies: my reading is that the system either doesn't have or has only incompatible libs/plugins of these
[06:58] <countingdaisies> cpaelzer: I haven't. I suppose I would save that for a last ditch option though
[06:58] <cpaelzer> countingdaisies: any chance you can read german - that seems straight forward (on 14.04) https://hpz.eu/blog/installation-von-eramba-auf-ubuntu-14-04/
[06:59] <countingdaisies> cpaelzer: by "system" what do you think is being referred to? eramba? Ubuntu? Apache? or mysql?
[06:59] <cpaelzer> countingdaisies: system = the operating system and its binraies/libraries
[06:59] <countingdaisies> cpaelzer: maybe 2 words  :)
[06:59] <countingdaisies> cpaelzer: huge. ty, now I know 'where' to solve the problem
[07:00] <countingdaisies> ty so much
[07:01] <cpaelzer> countingdaisies: autotranslate  is even kind of usable https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fhpz.eu%2Fblog%2Finstallation-von-eramba-auf-ubuntu-14-04%2F
[07:02] <cpaelzer> countingdaisies: I'd take the original to copy examples/configs to make sure not to get translations in there
[07:04] <countingdaisies> cpaelzer: right on
[07:07] <samba35> cpaelzer: if there was no update for openvswitch ,then how do diagnose or fix config lost issue
[07:09] <cpaelzer> samba35: I can't tell you what happened, I only checked and there was no new OVS release for Xenial as far as I could see
[07:09] <samba35> ic
[07:10] <cpaelzer> samba35: what config was lost - a file back to original content?
[07:11] <samba35> when u run ovs-vsctl show out is just two line /defualt line of version
[07:12] <cpaelzer> hm, that is in a db of ovsdb - I've even see that survive uninstalls/reinstalls
[07:13] <cpaelzer> samba35: I once realized that when removing the bridge all childs go away as well - might there be a chance such a thing happened for you?
[07:14] <samba35> but every boot ?
[07:14] <samba35> why config should lost and this happen today only
[07:15] <samba35> it was working fine till yesterday
[07:20] <cpaelzer> Dmitrii-Sh_: hi, the last qemu update for bug 1656480 seems to cause issues
[07:20] <cpaelzer> Dmitrii-Sh_: I don't really think it is the update - as the errors are in a totally different place
[07:21] <cpaelzer> Dmitrii-Sh_: it more seems like people testing new ARM HW to me
[07:21] <cpaelzer> Dmitrii-Sh_: yet we have these checks to be extra careful
[07:21] <cpaelzer> Dmitrii-Sh_: https://errors.ubuntu.com/?release=Ubuntu%2016.04&package=qemu&period=day&version=1%3A2.5%2Bdfsg-5ubuntu10.8
[07:21] <Dmitrii-Sh_> cpaelzer: hmm, any bug id?
[07:21] <cpaelzer> Dmitrii-Sh_: I'll forward you the automated mail I got - it is just the #errors tracker that kicked in
[07:21] <Dmitrii-Sh_> cpaelzer: ok
[07:22] <cpaelzer> Dmitrii-Sh_: mail should be in your inbox
[07:23] <Dmitrii-Sh> cpaelzer: got it, I'm going to have a look now
[07:30] <Dmitrii-Sh> cpaelzer: I submitted a form to view error report data btw - not sure who marks this for approval
[07:34] <cpaelzer> I don't know either - the bot is from barry - maybe mail him?
[07:34] <Dmitrii-Sh> cpaelzer: I can see that errors were triggered in the page translation code though
[07:34] <cpaelzer> yeah, that is what I ,eant  that I expect them to be not related
[07:34] <Dmitrii-Sh> cpaelzer: not sure if that code path is even invoked
[07:34] <cpaelzer> ack
[07:35] <Dmitrii-Sh> cpaelzer: 2 notes
[07:35] <cpaelzer> new arm  HW being tested is my guess
[07:35] <cpaelzer> and just happen to match the SRU by timing
[07:35] <Dmitrii-Sh> cpaelzer: 1 - 16.10 had the same failure which contains this fix but from the upstream
[07:35] <Dmitrii-Sh> cpaelzer: 2 - we should check x86_64 or any other arch as well
[07:36] <Dmitrii-Sh> cpaelzer: ack
[08:40] <rbasak> nacc: I don't like the idea of shipping two versions. If too late to switch to 7.1 in main, I think we should remove it from universe and do the transition next cycle.
[08:40] <rbasak> Probably less important for a non-LTS though
[08:40] <rbasak> stretch isn't about to ship with both, is it?
[09:25] <Geom> mayu i know what is the cobinary command for build a .deb from source?
[09:25] <Geom> cobinary=binary*
[09:27] <cpaelzer> Geom: not exactly sure where you question is going to - debuild ?
[09:27] <cpaelzer> Geom: https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingTutorial
[09:28] <Geom> the link is perfect. thanks cpaelzer
[09:28] <cpaelzer> yw
[09:44] <Geom> my first ever deb is done… thanks again cpaelzer
[09:46] <cpaelzer> Geom: a pleasure to help, for better reliable builds if you do it more often I'd look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/BuildEnvironment
[09:46] <cpaelzer> Geom: but one step at a time - gz for your first deb!
[09:49] <Geom> Noted! :)
[10:15] <blueking> I am trying to get connection between tagged vlan on nic/ubuntu to vlan tagged  on switch  but no connection  the default vlan id 1 untagged works on switch-nic(ubuntu)
[10:26] <cpaelzer> rbasak: could you run the importer on dovecot so it can fetch latest Debian and give me a ping afterwards?
[10:30] <blueking> does it matter if auto bond0.100  iface bond0.100 inet static  vlan-raw-device bond0  or  auto vlan100  iface vlan100 inet static    ?
[10:30] <blueking> does it matter if auto bond0.100  iface bond0.100 inet static  vlan-raw-device bond0  or  auto vlan100  iface vlan100 inet static vlan-raw-device bond0   ?
[10:31] <blueking> problem get box online on vlan100
[10:32] <blueking> I can ping interface on that given ip on vlan100  but  not to router on same vlan
[11:53] <DK2> what does the server trying to load when it hangs at "Booting." ?
[11:53] <DK2> its stuck there forever
[11:54] <DK2> is grub missing?
[12:16] <cpaelzer> jamespage: wanted to check with you are ok with me enabling openvswitch-swicth-dpdk for bug 1663206?
[12:16] <jamespage> cpaelzer, go for it
[12:17] <cpaelzer> jamespage: ok
[12:17] <cpaelzer> jamespage: I expect it might hang on migration the same neturon test that zul is on already, but content wise I have it ready
[12:17] <cpaelzer> uploading after some tests
[12:24] <rbasak> cpaelzer: dovecot imported
[13:05] <cpaelzer> rbasak: thanks
[13:05] <cpaelzer> rbasak: just reviewed squid merge
[13:05] <cpaelzer> rbasak: there are a few open points, let me know if you want to discuss any of them
[13:28] <rbasak> cpaelzer: thank you! I replied in the MP.
[13:29] <cpaelzer> rbasak: hmm not seeing the reply on the MP
[13:30]  * cpaelzer is hitting F5 over and over
[13:30] <rbasak> Hmm.
[13:30] <cpaelzer> rbasak: did you reply by mail and LP might need a minute to pick it up?
[13:30] <rbasak> I replied by email.
[13:30] <rbasak> Yeah, maybe!
[13:30] <rbasak> cpaelzer: stop being so efficient :-P
[13:31] <cpaelzer> hey I got so much done the last 24 hours - I could almost forget the 48 hours before where evything was §$%&/
[13:37] <rbasak> :)
[14:46] <cpaelzer> rbasak: hey could you throw your experienced LP-eyeballs at liblockfile for me?
[14:46] <cpaelzer> rbasak: I did a syncpackage yesterday after I sorted out remaining open points
[14:47] <cpaelzer> rbasak: but I can't find it anywhere (neither passed, nor proposed, nor on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/liblockfile)
[14:47] <cpaelzer> rbasak: as if it would have been a no-op
[14:47] <clvx> Hi all, I want to know if there's a difference between choosing automatics over no automatics update at installation time on Ubuntu Server Xenial?.
[14:47] <nacc> rbasak: correct, stretch only has 7.0; 7.1 is only in unstable
[14:48] <clvx> This is because I have 2 vm's where one has automatic updates enabled and the other doesn't. Both have unattended-upgrades package installed, and pretty much the same config in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ . You can see the dump of the config files of both machines here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23960844/
[14:48] <cpaelzer> clvx: the if is auto-updates yes/no :-) do you mean if you can enable it later?
[14:49] <cpaelzer> clvx: I see, and one of them does not update as the other does?
[14:49] <clvx> So, I'm concerned if there's a difference, because the config files are identical.
[14:50] <clvx> cpaelzer: both do the updates.
[14:57] <cpaelzer> clvx: I'd think not, but you might need an d-i expert to answer if they do any extra twists there
[14:58] <rbasak> cpaelzer: I'd expect it in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/liblockfile/+publishinghistory or in the "Latest upload" section. I see no trace either.
[14:58] <rbasak> Perhaps it was a Launchpad error that the syncpackage tool didn't detect?
[14:59] <rbasak> I don't recall if a sync leads to a confirmation email or not.
[14:59] <cpaelzer> rbasak: under the circumstances I'd run it again with verbose enabled
[14:59] <rbasak> I see no harm in trying to run it again.
[14:59] <clvx> cpaelzer: I'll open a question in askubuntu and wait for something. Thanks for your time.
[15:00] <cpaelzer> clvx: sorry I couldn't help more
[15:00] <cpaelzer> clvx: in fact I thought this is my chance for a reason to d-i code, but I couldn#t find a direct pointer
[15:00] <cpaelzer> in the source to the auto updates
[15:01] <cpaelzer> rbasak: this time I got a normal accept email
[15:01] <cpaelzer> can check on migration tomorrow then
[16:32] <zul> coreycb: is the dashboard stuff in git?
[16:38] <coreycb> zul, yeah
[17:03] <countingdaisies> I have this application I installed on 16.04 but its telling me there's a problem with curl libraries --> http://imgur.com/a/jxmNu     sudo dpkg -l | grep curl   gives the following result -->  http://imgur.com/a/jxmNu   Is there any way to tell more precisely what the problem is?
[17:07] <compdoc> how did you install eramba?
[17:07] <compdoc> normally, apt resolves dependecies
[17:19] <countingdaisies> compdoc: sorry, was off looking for answers answers. I use a combination of the only 3 decent information I could find: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt6IQ4Kf8HM    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vxh1knFcB6_ZVPUF4hy9i5XafIR3BijoZffCL_vjRVU/edit    and    https://github.com/ivuk/eramba-vagrant/blob/master/eramba_deploy.sh  Last night someone showed me some web page in German on it (I...
[17:19] <countingdaisies> ...don't speak German) but they ran it through a translator   https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fhpz.eu%2Fblog%2Finstallation-von-eramba-auf-ubuntu-14-04%2F    (but I'm running 16.04).
[17:20] <countingdaisies> There are several issues with it and I'm not sure the best one to pick fix first (sometimes fixing one thing solves the others - if you get the right one). So I just tried to pick something concrete (one concrete problem its showing me) and ask help for it.
[17:23] <countingdaisies> compdoc: One of the issues is that this (community edition) is the old version (you pay for the up to date one). Probably it's his first beta and never updated it after that. I had to (try to) downgrade to php5 and I think that it generally can only run with old versions of stuff (libraries, etc).
[17:25] <compdoc> sorry, on the phone with a customer. their internet is down
[19:28] <BrianBlaze420> I am trying to install an older version of ubuntu onto a tower so I can update a server on the side and not effect the production server
[19:28] <powersj> nacc: can I please get you to import nagios-nrpe
[19:28] <BrianBlaze420> my issue is I can't get passed the detect and mount cd
[19:29] <BrianBlaze420> I am booting via cd lol
[19:29] <BrianBlaze420> also I tried booting from usb same issue
[19:29] <BrianBlaze420> how can I get around that
[19:29] <nacc> powersj: running
[19:29] <powersj> nacc: thank you sir
[19:35] <sarnold> BrianBlaze420: what error message do you get?
[19:43] <BrianBlaze420> Unable to detect cd-rom drive select device
[19:44] <BrianBlaze420> normally when I got this message I booted from usb and then had an install disc in the cd rom drive to get around this
[19:44] <BrianBlaze420> but it's not working and can't detect my cd-rom which it is booted off of lol
[19:46] <BrianBlaze420> to make it worse i have no commands to actually see the drives in the console
[19:46] <BrianBlaze420> and when I do an ls of /dev there are too many and none look like a cdrom drive
[19:51] <sarnold> hrm I don't have any systems with cdrom drives installed
[19:51] <sarnold> it makes it a bit hard to figure out what to suggest if I can't test first :)
[19:51] <sarnold> lsblk perhaps? dmesg | grep sd perhaps?
[19:52] <BrianBlaze420> it's busybox
[19:52] <BrianBlaze420> so lsblk, fdisk lsusb
[19:52] <BrianBlaze420>  do not work :'(
[19:52] <BrianBlaze420> all it sees is my hdd installed in the tower :(
[19:52] <BrianBlaze420> with dmesg
[19:53] <BrianBlaze420> the irritating thing is I get the same message when I try with a usb
[19:53] <nacc> ls -ahl /dev/disk ?
[19:54] <nacc> err, /dev/disk/by-path
[19:55] <BrianBlaze420> it only sees sda... which is my hddd
[19:55] <BrianBlaze420> weird
[19:56] <BrianBlaze420> especially weird because it boots from cd and usb lol
[19:56] <BrianBlaze420> without issues it's just when it's trying to detect a cd-rpm
[19:56] <BrianBlaze420> cd-rom*
[19:57] <sarnold> you could try setting a pxe booting environment instead; set up a tftp server with install media, setup a dhcp server to point to it, and go that way. I've done that before when I didn't have spare usb flash drive laying around to do an install
[20:00] <BrianBlaze420> it just makes no sense to me that I have to do weird work arounds when I can boot from cd's and usb's no problem even this ubuntu install works up until it needs to detect the cd rom... I will have to do a pxe
[20:01] <sarnold> I wonder..
[20:01] <sarnold> sometimes bioses can be set to do silly things with the storage
[20:01] <sarnold> maybe treating the sata ports as pata compatibility or using a raid setup rather than ahci or who knows what
[20:02] <sarnold> maybe a few minutes in the bios first would save you the hassle of pxeing?
[20:03] <BrianBlaze420> true
[20:03] <BrianBlaze420> thanks for putting thoughts in my brain
[20:05] <BrianBlaze420> u r a genius sarnold
[20:05] <BrianBlaze420> of cours it was a bios setting lol
[20:05] <BrianBlaze420> thanks very much
[20:05] <BrianBlaze420> lol
[20:05] <sarnold> great! :D
[20:05] <sarnold> much easier than goofing around with pxe and tftp and dhcp
[20:05] <sarnold> not that that's terrible
[20:05] <BrianBlaze420> I know right
[20:06] <sarnold> but this is way eaiser
[20:06] <BrianBlaze420> but it's a good idea to have
[20:06] <BrianBlaze420> one thing at a time tho :)
[20:06] <nacc> powersj: done
[21:15] <teward> anyone got a Yakkety server that isn't a production-critical system, and want to help me test something quickly?
[21:15] <teward> sarnold: ^ relevant if only because PIE may have blown stuff up in nginx Stable for Yakkety
[21:15] <rbasak> No, but "lxc launch ubuntu:yakkety"? :)
[21:16] <teward> assuming lxc was installed
[21:16] <teward> i think i removed it at one point...
[21:17] <rbasak> Why?
[21:17] <teward> because it fubard networking for a time
[21:18] <rbasak> Hmm.
[21:18] <teward> default put it on a conflict subnet
[21:18] <teward> so i had to remove the bridge
[21:18] <rbasak> The latest lxd packaging works hard to avoid conflicting I think.
[21:18] <teward> NOW i can fix it heh
[21:18] <teward> rbasak: 16.04 fresh install
[21:18] <teward> wasn't as kind.
[21:18] <teward> it also won't detect other VLANs :P
[21:18] <teward> it was in conflict with my DMZ subnet
[21:18] <teward> where DNS on my network sits
[21:26] <rizonz> I have a /19 which I use where a server has a 172.16.2.11 on eht0 and a 172.16.13.11 on eth1, all outbound traffic needs to go over eth0 and local over eth1... issue when my routers are in 172.16.0.248/29
[21:27] <rizonz> or not ?
[21:55] <sarnold> rizonz: I don't know how to configure your setup but this guide will teach you how to make the kernel do what you need http://lartc.org/howto/
[21:55] <sarnold> rizonz: translating that into configuration files so it's still set the next reboot may take more work still
[22:00] <rizonz> sarnold: there is no nextboot issue
[22:18] <tomreyn> rizonz: you can pointopoint the 172.16.2.11 to your router
[22:20] <tomreyn> like this https://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/Netzkonfiguration_Debian/en#Dedicated_Servers
[22:20] <tomreyn> it's ugly but it works
[22:32] <rizonz> tomreyn: why is it ugly ?
[22:33] <tomreyn> well the netmask is 255.255.255.255
[22:34] <tomreyn> either your ip address and that of your gateway is formally / logically outside of that ;)
[22:35] <tomreyn> s/ and / or /
[22:36] <rizonz> meh
[22:36] <rizonz> doesn't work
[23:12] <rizonz> sarnold: should it be possible ?
[23:13] <sarnold> rizonz: just about anything is possible
[23:13] <sarnold> rizonz: you may need to insert direct routes to your routers if they aren't reachable via the subnet routing rules you've already got
[23:13] <rizonz> sarnold: true but this is weird that my ping stops on my eth0 when I do my /19 route on my eth1
[23:14] <rizonz> when I traceroute on the box, all traffic floats out on eth0
[23:14] <sarnold> 'ip route get' may help you understand what the machine is doing
[23:17] <rizonz> fixed :)
[23:18] <sarnold> great :)
[23:20] <rizonz> sarnold: needed the route to my router on the eth0