[02:06] <daftykins> thar we go more places are reporting intel shipping bad Atom C2000s and keeping it quiet, now
[02:07] <zmoylan-pi> whoopsie
[08:04] <kn1ghtw0rk> morning peeps
[08:27] <SuperMatt> g'day
[09:08] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:16] <foobarry_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/761180/wifi-doesnt-work-after-suspend-after-16-04-upgrade seems to affect quite a few ppl
[09:38] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Thursday, and happy Safer Internet Day! 😃
[09:50] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls
[09:52] <diplo> Morning all
[09:54] <brobostigon> morning
[10:48] <popey> foobarry_: yeah
[11:04] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjPau5QYtYs safest song on the planet :)
[15:10] <diplo> Anyone here an ansible user ?
[15:11] <diplo> Trying to svn+ssh on a new install, want to use a priv key fron my machine ( already put pub on svn server )
[15:13] <diplo> Trying to svn+ssh on a new install, want to use a priv key fron my machine ( already put pub on svn server )
[15:13] <diplo> oops focus on wrong screen :P
[15:23] <diplo> Fixed it (need to except the key manually, need to work around that now! ) and also help is you type /var/www and not /var/wwww
[15:26] <diddledan> popey: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4M_0_UUYAE_LNe.jpg:large
[15:34] <popey> diddledan: haha, love that
[15:34] <diddledan> lol, I didn't mean to target that to you, was meant as a general for everyone :-p
[15:35] <diddledan> oops @ tabfail
[15:35] <daftykins> eat both!
[15:35] <daftykins> yay my mums boot-looping LG G4 is going back under a 2 year warranty
[15:35] <diddledan> daftykins: what does bear taste like?
[15:35] <daftykins> it's the CPU cores desoldering apparently
[15:35] <diddledan> \o/
[15:36] <diddledan> I've got an intel ATOM cpu which is gonna have to go back when asrock acknowledge the problem (it's a flaw in the atom that causes complete failure after 18 or so months of use)
[15:37] <diddledan> ref: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/06/cisco_intel_decline_to_link_product_warning_to_faulty_chip/
[15:37] <daftykins> ja, whats yours in?
[15:37] <diddledan> on an asrock mobo
[15:37] <diddledan> self-build nas
[15:37] <daftykins> SFF PC though or wha?
[15:38] <daftykins> oic
[15:38] <diddledan> this jobbie: http://www.asrockrack.com/general/productdetail.asp?Model=C2750D4I
[15:39] <daftykins> funky
[15:40] <ali1234> 18 months? that's terrible. loads of people will just think it died without knowing why
[15:40] <diddledan> yeah
[15:41] <daftykins> well it's in the docs now
[16:55] <ali1234> hey popey, i just found out about your "double click URl in gnome-terminal" problem
[16:55] <ali1234> xfce4-terminal and terminator have a setting for double click chars, it looks like this: http://i.imgur.com/n9cvqqc.png
[16:55] <ali1234> they both include ":" so it matches the whole URL
[16:56] <ali1234> gnome-terminal either removed this setting or never had it, and they don't include ":" in their defaults
[16:57] <ali1234> but looks like you can change it directly in the dconf: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/290544/double-click-selection-in-gnome-terminal
[17:39] <Laney> or right click and copy url
[17:44] <davmor2> or right click and open url :)
[17:57] <Laney> depends what you want to do
[17:58] <davmor2> Laney: indeed
[17:59] <marshmn> I don't know much about "WiFi Direct"; but I have a printer that supports it; what I'd like to know is, if I have a laptop connected to regular WiFi - and then I want to print from the printer using WiFi Direct, does that mean I'll have to drop my regular WiFi connection in order to do that?
[17:59]  * Laney copies davmor2 to the clipboard
[18:00] <marshmn> I'm assuming that it works by the printer having it's on WiFi AP in it basically?
[18:00] <marshmn> perhaps if I plug a USB WiFi dongle into the laptop then I can have two WiFi connections - one to the regular WiFi and one to the WiFi Direct printer?
[18:01] <daftykins> marshmn: yes you have to hop network
[18:01] <marshmn> ok
[18:01] <davmor2> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[18:01] <daftykins> but if the printer has this feature, can it not just go *on* your wifi network?
[18:02] <daftykins> because that'd be more common...
[18:03] <marshmn> daftykins: yes, that's possible - I'm just trying to understand the options right now; it's a mobile printer so there is the additional hassle of having to get that added to the WiFi network at the venue (as well as laptop etc.)
[18:03] <marshmn> but it's certainly an option
[18:03] <daftykins> if you did employ a USB wifi dongle, you could use the packages that let you run one as an access point - then have the printer configured to join that
[18:04] <marshmn> yeah, was also thinking that
[18:04] <daftykins> then instead of you hopping to the printer, the printer joins you (when the device is plugged in)
[18:04] <marshmn> yeah
[18:04] <marshmn> I think I might go that way
[18:04] <daftykins> though i'd sooner put a cable in
[18:04] <marshmn> which is another option :)
[18:04] <diddledan> I always shove my dongle in ports
[18:06] <marshmn> you should ask permission first
[18:06] <daftykins> ^ and at least buy dinner
[19:33] <diddledan> when is pulseaudio getting put into systemd? *duck*
[19:34] <diddledan> I just heard tar is getting put in now (ref: bsdnow)
[19:34] <diddledan> it's gonna be called tard
[19:36] <davmor2> diddledan: man we just need and is command and we can time travel
[19:36] <diddledan> lol
[19:37] <diddledan> also is wayland getting put in systemd yet?
[19:43] <diddledan> giant lizards are invading: https://twitter.com/spookperson/status/829777392038182913
[19:44] <popey> ali1234: yeah, they removed it :(
[19:44] <popey> silly rabbits
[19:45] <davmor2> diddledan: that's not a lizard that's just a really bad rendition of snakes on a plane where the sfx guy need to scale down the snake
[19:45] <popey> ali1234: that worked, magic, thank you :)
[19:46] <ali1234> popey: i just mentioned it to some xfce terminal devs cos they were discussing https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=854585
[19:46] <ali1234> apparently it does not affect xfce4-terminal as they used the url regex from gnome-terminal
[19:47] <ali1234> and they told me about the double click chars thing
[19:47] <ali1234> funny bug though... arbitrary code execution by clicking on a url
[19:59] <popey> oops
[20:00] <ali1234> and that's why you don't right click -> open i suppose
[21:05] <diddledan> did ubuntubsd die? https://www.ubuntubsd.org/
[21:07] <daftykins> check the channel?
[21:07]  * diddledan looks-out over the solent
[21:08] <diddledan> there's a lot of seafog
[21:08]  * daftykins waves a flag on the northern tip of the island
[21:08] <diddledan> aren't you supposed to flash a torch in a special pattern?
[21:09] <daftykins> well that proved to be too distracting to the series of opera singers which stand on the coastline singing out to provide our off-island data links
[21:10] <diddledan> lmao
[21:10] <diddledan> I thought they were for when it's foggy
[21:13] <daftykins> they're the upgrade to the fires, yip
[21:14] <daftykins> the torch batteries were proving prohibitively expensive
[21:21] <zmoylan-pi> pfft, in ireland in 70s we tried nuclear batteries for our lighthouses... :-)
[21:21] <zmoylan-pi> good enough for space probes, good enough for remote unoccupied wastelands
[21:21] <diddledan> green light
[21:22] <diddledan> why is green assumed for radiation/toxic stuff
[21:22] <diddledan> ?
[21:23] <zmoylan-pi> maybe because of radium watch dials which glowed green?
[21:25] <zmoylan-pi> and killed a few people who used to paint watch dials.  now if you bring in ancient watches from that time they can be treated as toxic waste
[21:25] <daftykins> D:
[21:25] <diddledan> I had a toy car with that in the windows to make it glow
[21:26] <diddledan> least I assume it was the same stuff
[21:26] <zmoylan-pi> i think by the time they stopped using it in 70s they used a lot lot less
[21:26] <zmoylan-pi> now lick your lead paint and shush... :-P
[21:27] <daftykins> diddledan: come help me remove this funny dust insulation stuff...
[21:27] <daftykins> it smells funny
[21:28] <diddledan> speaking of which, my flat is gonna have an asbestos survey in the foreseeable
[21:28] <zmoylan-pi> and we lose 1000s every year from radon gas now that we build insulated homes with no draughts to flush the gas
[21:29] <daftykins> but i like playing draughts
[21:30]  * zmoylan-pi lived in house with such draughts in winter that i made a kite out of a postage stamp and flew it indoors for amusement...
[21:34] <zmoylan-pi> the long winter nights really flew when you had a postage stamp kite... :-P
[21:34] <diddledan> lol
[21:34] <diddledan> they were simpler times
[21:35] <daftykins> :D
[21:35] <zmoylan-pi> it was also at the time building model gliders out of wood veneer and greaseproof paper
[21:35] <diddledan> I'm guessing you didn't have electricity even
[21:35] <daftykins> with that supply he could've had an indoor wind farm!
[21:35] <diddledan> I had one of those
[21:35] <diddledan> I never built it
[21:36] <zmoylan-pi> well one of my gliders was powered by a rubber band motor i built into a bic pen tube using an icecream wooden spoon as a propeller...
[21:42] <daftykins> action shot of zmoylan-pi https://image.shutterstock.com/z/stock-photo-old-man-in-aviator-goggles-200487461.jpg
[21:44] <diddledan> isn't that one of the chuckle brothers?
[21:46] <daftykins> :D
[22:07] <ali1234> radium does glow green. but modern glow-in-the-dark stuff is not (as) radioactive
[22:08] <ali1234> it doesn't work the same way... if you ever noticed that glow-in-the-dark items have to be "charged up" by putting them in light, that is why
[22:09] <ali1234> radium doesn't need that
[22:10] <diddledan> popey: what happened to popey.com?
[22:10]  * diddledan just spotted your keybase id shows it as unreachable - tried accessing myself and you're offline :-(
[22:11] <diddledan> ali1234: aah
[22:11] <ali1234> some glow-in-the-dark stuff does still use radioactivity, but it uses tritium instead of radium
[22:11] <ali1234> and its pretty rare
[22:12] <ali1234> in fact radium doesn't glow green at all
[22:12] <ali1234> it's the phosphors that do that
[22:12] <ali1234> when bombarded with radiation
[22:13] <ali1234> so radioactive waste glowing green is a 100% myth :)
[22:15] <zmoylan-pi> some articles describe a lot of different colours from a lot of different materials
[22:15] <ali1234> yes, phosphors dont have to be green
[22:15] <ali1234> but they are usually the brightest
[22:15] <ali1234> CRTs have red green and blue phosphors in them :)
[22:16]  * zmoylan-pi puts duct tape over the glowing blue radiation as it's so bloody annoying... :-P
[22:16] <ali1234> also high power LED lights work by having a blue LED illuminating phosphors which then re-emit the energy as white light
[22:17] <ali1234> because blue LEDs are the brightest
[22:18] <ali1234> this is also why LED lights glow for a bit after you turn them off
[22:18] <ali1234> the phosphors are still "charged"
[22:41] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/wesgeorge/status/829822138039336960
[22:50] <daftykins> yay at the telco support guy sorting out the certificate to restore functionality
[22:50] <daftykins> he also said kudos for using Linux, but i tricked him!
[22:50] <zmoylan-pi> in daftykins pc's linux uses you... :-P
[22:53] <daftykins> i do have servers and VMs :P
[23:00] <zmoylan-pi> did you say shiboleet? http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/806:_Tech_Support
[23:02] <daftykins> >:D
[23:03] <daftykins> i just put in a few comments to ensure i wouldn't get the usual browser cache clearing rubbish response
[23:06] <daftykins> diddledan: also, a much delayed "To me, to you" is in order
[23:07] <zmoylan-pi> i put episodes of star trek on in the background.  it really gets their attention focused... :-)
[23:08] <diddledan> I sleep to the sounds of a warp reactor
[23:08] <daftykins> easy, B'elanna
[23:08] <diddledan> she was soo gorgeous
[23:08] <diddledan> those forehead ridges were to die for
[23:09] <daftykins> pff i thought you were going to say you saw the one where she's human
[23:09] <zmoylan-pi> i never really liked b'elanna.  she wasn't klingony enough to my mind
[23:09] <diddledan> while I love Jeri Ryan, I don't really get the love for the 7of9 character
[23:10] <diddledan> her story was interesting, however
[23:10] <daftykins> i'm on a watch through on season 2 right now, so she's not turned up
[23:10] <zmoylan-pi> she was a human who'd missed out on childhood and was trying to work out how to be a human
[23:10] <daftykins> Janeway should have made her serve tea on the bridge
[23:10] <diddledan> she can sang!
[23:11] <daftykins> did you guys see the 2016 film 'Arrival' ? that was neat
[23:11] <diddledan> oh me darlin', oh me darlin'
[23:11] <diddledan> not yet
[23:11] <diddledan> really wanna see it though
[23:11] <zmoylan-pi> i recently watched enterprise again for first time in years.  made it all the way through.  it has finally grown on me... or there's not enough good sci fi on elsewhere...
[23:12] <daftykins> ah har
[23:12] <daftykins> i have some but never tried
[23:12] <zmoylan-pi> though they did wayyyyy to much t'pol in the decontamination room
[23:12] <daftykins> but she was very, very contaminated
[23:13] <diddledan> I really wanna watch season 2 of the expanse. it's started in the US in the past couple of weeks, I think?
[23:13] <daftykins> yep
[23:13] <daftykins> i'm not sure i even finished s1 properly, but yeah it showed some promise
[23:13] <zmoylan-pi> i tried the first episode of the expanse and while it impressed me it didn't make me watch the rest of the season
[23:13] <zmoylan-pi> i'll probably go back to it when i can binge watch
[23:13] <diddledan> they actually use real physical space flight
[23:14] <daftykins> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/09/mac_malware_rash/ :D
[23:14] <zmoylan-pi> that impressed me in first episode of the bird flying in zero g
[23:14] <diddledan> none of this "go. stop. now come around the back like a fighterjet"
[23:15] <diddledan> damn, daftykins, now I need to go wash my mac in soapy water!
[23:15] <zmoylan-pi> i learned all my space fighting skills in elite... leave engine at 50% and constantly changing direction threw off the enemies aim a lot allowing you to plug them :-P
[23:16] <diddledan> https://www.countable.us/articles/237-preliminary-impeachment-inquiry-filed-president-trump
[23:17] <daftykins> ooh my
[23:17] <diddledan> it's getting crazy over there
[23:18] <ali1234> the best tactic in eleite: stop as soon as pirates are on your scanner and snipe them. you have far better range than they do
[23:18] <zmoylan-pi> it will go nowhere with the republican majority
[23:18] <diddledan> also the 9th circuit just ruled that the arab-nation/muslim ban must remain blocked
[23:18] <zmoylan-pi> but but... it's not as chaotic and fighty as my method ali1234!! :-)
[23:18] <daftykins> huh? block the ban? :P
[23:18] <ali1234> you can also avoid them entirely by not flying to the planet in a straight line
[23:18] <diddledan> daftykins: ban^2
[23:19] <diddledan> ban the ban!
[23:19] <zmoylan-pi> so if they block the block that blocked the ban does achmed get welcomed in customs? :-/
[23:19] <daftykins> hit it square in the ban!
[23:19] <diddledan> ouch
[23:19] <diddledan> that sounds nasty
[23:20] <zmoylan-pi> english can be such an inpercise language at times...
[23:20] <diddledan> I'll have you know my thingy is perfectly fine!
[23:21] <zmoylan-pi> it's his doohickey that's wonky
[23:21] <daftykins> a good workman doesn't blame his tools, zmoylan-pi!
[23:22] <zmoylan-pi> well you use windows so what would be the point... :-P
[23:22] <diddledan> haha
[23:22] <diddledan> that's a good one
[23:22] <daftykins> :P
[23:23] <ali1234> as for trump. republicans would be quite happy to see him gone and have pence instead. they are just waiting for the public to turn first.
[23:24] <zmoylan-pi> i dunno, there's a large mad section of trump supporters who'd gut the republicans if they tried that
[23:24] <ali1234> no, that group is not as large as everyone thinks. they are just super loud
[23:24] <zmoylan-pi> and republicans fear loud
[23:25] <ali1234> not really. trump is pretty much guaranteed to mess up seriously at some point
[23:25] <ali1234> he will lose widespread support at that point
[23:25] <zmoylan-pi> considering what he's done so far and hasn't had much republicans standing up to him, i'm not so sure
[23:26] <ali1234> the hardcore will still love him, but they are a tiny group, like the tea party was
[23:26] <ali1234> republicans won't stand up to him until *after* he messes up
[23:26] <ali1234> he is doing bad stuff, but so far there has been no real bad results from it
[23:30] <ali1234> when it happens, it will be over something that's not part of his rhetoric and completely unexpected
[23:31] <zmoylan-pi> his tweeting about melanias business dealings may be one of the straws
[23:31] <ali1234> yeah, but not the final one. it will be used against him when the time comes though
[23:32] <diddledan> and in the shenanigans news department we have: https://www.tripwire.com/state-of-security/featured/french-man-sues-uber-after-privacy-bug-led-wife-to-suspect-adultery/
[23:32] <zmoylan-pi> his not been in the situation room for the raid in yemen will be another
[23:32] <ali1234> they're building a case against him for sure
[23:32] <ali1234> but they need a slam dunk to convince the population, not just a load of "minor" things
[23:33] <ali1234> once they have that he'll be gone so fast it makes the last two weeks look pedestrian
[23:33] <zmoylan-pi> they that live by the cloud find their data is used to hurt them later... not as catchy as die by the cloud but what the hey...
[23:33] <zmoylan-pi> it won't be fasst. it will take 2 years or so once the snowball starts rolling of legal shenanigans
[23:34] <daftykins> find their shirts are wrinkled by the cloud...? :)
[23:35] <zmoylan-pi> but i mentioned placing a bet in bookies of trump not lasting the 4 years and someone in another channel had already checked and the odds been offered were not good
[23:35] <ali1234> bookies never offer good odds :)
[23:35] <zmoylan-pi> there were even allowing for that not good
[23:35] <ali1234> not surprising. might be worth making the opposite bet. at least then you have something to look forward to either wway
[23:42] <diddledan> "and God said unto Moses 'Come Forth', but he came fifth, and got his money back"
[23:46]  * zmoylan-pi leaves this irish bit of graffiti here... http://www.newstalk.com/content/000/images/000011/11586_60_news_hub_multi_630x0.jpg
[23:48] <daftykins> ;]
[23:51] <diddledan> lol
[23:53] <diddledan> WordPress arbitrary post creation exploit gets a new twist: https://blog.sucuri.net/2017/02/rce-attempts-against-the-latest-wordpress-rest-api-vulnerability.html
[23:55] <diddledan> the T-man has replied! https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/829836231802515457
[23:55] <diddledan> presumably that's about the 9th circuit decision
[23:56] <daftykins> i wanted it to read 'at steak'
[23:56] <diddledan> that would have been gold
[23:58] <zmoylan-pi> well it will the papers busy...
[23:59] <diddledan> will it now?!
[23:59] <diddledan> I've often willed the papers busy