=== _salem is now known as salem_ === salem_ is now known as _salem [03:29] Hi === Saif is now known as Guest58090 [03:29] Hi [03:29] Need some help [05:24] hi === saif is now known as Guest76260 [05:24] can anyone help me for installing ubuntu on my nexus 7 2013 flo === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === ecloud_wfh is now known as ecloud === Jucato_ is now known as Jucato === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === _salem is now known as salem_ [14:30] mterry, i was thinking about the content-hub service crash, i wonder if that happens when we ask unity if the service is focused [14:30] return d->unityFocus->call("isSurfaceFocused", surfaceId).arguments().at(0).toBool(); [14:31] mterry, can the service talk to com.canonical.Unity.FocusInfo ? [14:31] kenvandine: interesting... [14:31] kenvandine: it should be able to in theory -- content-hub is running unconfined in this case [14:32] mterry, ok, i was trying to see what code path copy/paste uses that might crash [14:32] kenvandine: nice thanks [14:32] That does seem like a potential problem point. But at first blush, I'm guessing it should be able to hit that api [14:33] ok [14:33] mterry, you could run the service in testing mode, which would bypass that check [14:34] CONTENT_HUB_TESTING=1 === LiQiong_Lee1 is now known as LiQiong_Lee === LiQiong_Lee1 is now known as LiQiong_Lee === JanC_ is now known as JanC [16:38] Hey I'm hangin out on the internet and I just saw ubuntuphone [16:39] Am I right here? [16:41] you are right here [16:41] well, you're over there, and i am here ;) [16:42] dobey: but only from your perspective [16:43] davmor2: from your perspective, i am still here, and you are still over there. our positions did not change :) [16:49] ehm right [16:49] I want to install it but can I uninstall if I cant use [16:50] and its like PC or minimalimze version? [16:54] if your device is supported, you can flash it on, and if you can't use it, you can flash android back to your device [16:54] it's not quite like a full standard PC install of ubuntu, no. phones are very limited hardware devices [16:57] hmm. I think research a little bit more. [16:58] I want to change android OS to Other linux distrubition [17:00] oh its not supported. Thanks for help === LiQiong_Lee1 is now known as LiQiong_Lee [17:36] hi === dok is now known as dok2 [17:36] anyone around? [17:58] tedg_: so I updated desktop-launch to specify a hardcoded MIR_SOCKET and updated unity8 to offer that location -- so you can remove some of the UAL hacks at your leisure around that [17:58] tedg_: also... I guess UAL should trigger mir usage or not based on the mir interface, not the unity8 one === salem_ is now known as _salem [18:48] mterry: Yeah, we need to also show apps that only have "mir" in thier interfaces. === _salem is now known as salem_ [19:01] tedg_: not sure i would agree with that, but the landscape is a desert now, so i don't have enough details to argue further. just gives me the "not so sure about that" feeling :) [19:03] dobey: It seems that things like games would only require a mir interface, to work on things like RaspPi or other smaller boards along with full desktops. [19:04] If they don't need all the other desktop stuff, don't require it. [19:04] tedg_: yeah, so would any full screen kiosk app. [19:05] but like i said, landscape is still a desert [19:12] mal: i cant create $SFE_SB2_TARGET [19:48] oops wromg channel :) === salem_ is now known as _salem === _salem is now known as salem_ [22:00] tedg_: if you haven't started on the unity8->mir migration, I'd like to take a swing at it [22:00] (in UAL) [22:01] mterry: Oh, sure. No problem. [22:01] mterry: Just FYI kenvandine has a big ABI/API break silo that we're preparing. [22:01] mterry: So it'll probably need to land after that (and there might be a bit of weirdness there) [22:01] tedg_: ok can start with that as a base then [22:14] tedg_: ok... so we assume unity8 interface is also an indicator for lifecycle -- which I'd argue we don't want to do. Unless we slim that interface down to basically nothing. Or use a new interface for lifecycle support. Because we shouldn't mix desktop service access (to things like copy/paste, Qt.openUrlExternally, Unity launcher icon adjusting, etc) [22:14] with lifecycle management. Plenty of apps would want the former but not the latter. [22:14] tedg_: should we get snapd to allow X-Ubuntu-Touch in its desktop files? [22:14] I suspect they wouldn't like the naming of it. But we could rename [22:14] mterry: Well, I feel like "unity8" *is* saying you want to be part of the U8 lifecycle. [22:15] mterry: If you didn't want to be part of it, wouldn't you use "mir" ? [22:15] I don't think we want to let app developers off the hook. [22:15] tedg_: sure. I buy that argument. But then we should move all the other stuff we do in unity8 interface out of it [22:15] If you want the goodness that is Unity8, you have to develop and app that can talk to us about lifecycle correctly. [22:16] tedg_: well it's complicated. Any app that uses Qt + mir won't have copy and paste or Qt.openUrlExternally support unless they also have access to the desktop services [22:17] tedg_: So like... spotify (if written in Qt) could very reasonably want to run in mir directly (it can! qt supports it), but also not be lifecycled [22:17] but to lose copy/paste in that deal? [22:17] That's unexpected [22:17] mterry: I guess it seems to me that the number of Qt apps that bundle the mir backend will be small. [22:17] mterry: So we're talking about people that want to use our custom backend, bundle it in their snap, but don't want to listen to its signals about lifecycle. [22:18] tedg_: it's not a custom backend. It's just Qt! If you use Qt, you might as well use the platform's Mir support, to avoid running in XMir [22:18] mterry: How are you getting "ubuntumirclient" in your snap? [22:19] That's not gonna be in the upstream's Qt. [22:20] tedg_: OK... I'm getting what you're saying, but I still feel like there's a case we're not considering, or that this is too many assumptions... I'll sleep on it, maybe I'm not thinking about it fully [22:21] mterry: I just feel like we need to have a carrot to say "do it right" or we'll never get apps that do it right. [22:21] Why would they? === salem_ is now known as _salem [22:55] mterry: i think for that case they want a kiosk anyway, and not unity8 [22:56] either you want to integrate with the system, or you want to build your own system [23:03] Hello Can ubuntu mobile be installed on a Samsung Galaxy S6 Tablet? [23:06] xrandr, not yet, https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/devices/ [23:06] darn