[03:29] <Saif> Hi
[03:29] <Guest58090> Hi
[03:29] <Guest58090> Need some help
[05:24] <saif> hi
[05:24] <Guest76260> can anyone help me for installing ubuntu on my nexus 7 2013 flo
[14:30] <kenvandine> mterry, i was thinking about the content-hub service crash, i wonder if that happens when we ask unity if the service is focused
[14:30] <kenvandine>     return d->unityFocus->call("isSurfaceFocused", surfaceId).arguments().at(0).toBool();
[14:31] <kenvandine> mterry, can the service talk to com.canonical.Unity.FocusInfo ?
[14:31] <mterry> kenvandine: interesting...
[14:31] <mterry> kenvandine: it should be able to in theory -- content-hub is running unconfined in this case
[14:32] <kenvandine> mterry, ok, i was trying to see what code path copy/paste uses that might crash
[14:32] <mterry> kenvandine: nice thanks
[14:32] <mterry> That does seem like a potential problem point.  But at first blush, I'm guessing it should be able to hit that api
[14:33] <kenvandine> ok
[14:33] <kenvandine> mterry, you could run the service in testing mode, which would bypass that check
[14:34] <kenvandine> CONTENT_HUB_TESTING=1
[16:38] <mcveri> Hey I'm hangin out on the internet and I just saw ubuntuphone
[16:39] <mcveri> Am I right here?
[16:41] <davmor2> you are right here
[16:41] <dobey> well, you're over there, and i am here ;)
[16:42] <davmor2> dobey: but only from your perspective
[16:43] <dobey> davmor2: from your perspective, i am still here, and you are still over there. our positions did not change :)
[16:49] <mcveri> ehm right
[16:49] <mcveri> I want to install it but can I uninstall if I cant use
[16:50] <mcveri> and its like PC or minimalimze version?
[16:54] <dobey> if your device is supported, you can flash it on, and if you can't use it, you can flash android back to your device
[16:54] <dobey> it's not quite like a full standard PC install of ubuntu, no. phones are very limited hardware devices
[16:57] <mcveri> hmm. I think research a little bit more.
[16:58] <mcveri> I want to change android OS to Other linux distrubition
[17:00] <mcveri> oh its not supported. Thanks for help
[17:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[17:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> anyone around?
[17:58] <mterry> tedg_: so I updated desktop-launch to specify a hardcoded MIR_SOCKET and updated unity8 to offer that location -- so you can remove some of the UAL hacks at your leisure around that
[17:58] <mterry> tedg_: also... I guess UAL should trigger mir usage or not based on the mir interface, not the unity8 one
[18:48] <tedg_> mterry: Yeah, we need to also show apps that only have "mir" in thier interfaces.
[19:01] <dobey> tedg_: not sure i would agree with that, but the landscape is a desert now, so i don't have enough details to argue further. just gives me the "not so sure about that" feeling :)
[19:03] <tedg_> dobey: It seems that things like games would only require a mir interface, to work on things like RaspPi or other smaller boards along with full desktops.
[19:04] <tedg_> If they don't need all the other desktop stuff, don't require it.
[19:04] <dobey> tedg_: yeah, so would any full screen kiosk app.
[19:05] <dobey> but like i said, landscape is still a desert
[19:12] <hpagseddy> mal: i cant create $SFE_SB2_TARGET
[19:48] <hpagseddy> oops wromg channel :)
[22:00] <mterry> tedg_: if you haven't started on the unity8->mir migration, I'd like to take a swing at it
[22:00] <mterry> (in UAL)
[22:01] <tedg_> mterry: Oh, sure. No problem.
[22:01] <tedg_> mterry: Just FYI kenvandine has a big ABI/API break silo that we're preparing.
[22:01] <tedg_> mterry: So it'll probably need to land after that (and there might be a bit of weirdness there)
[22:01] <mterry> tedg_: ok can start with that as a base then
[22:14] <mterry> tedg_: ok...  so we assume unity8 interface is also an indicator for lifecycle -- which I'd argue we don't want to do.  Unless we slim that interface down to basically nothing.  Or use a new interface for lifecycle support.  Because we shouldn't mix desktop service access (to things like copy/paste, Qt.openUrlExternally, Unity launcher icon adjusting, etc)
[22:14] <mterry> with lifecycle management.  Plenty of apps would want the former but not the latter.
[22:14] <mterry> tedg_: should we get snapd to allow X-Ubuntu-Touch in its desktop files?
[22:14] <mterry> I suspect they wouldn't like the naming of it.  But we could rename
[22:14] <tedg_> mterry: Well, I feel like "unity8" *is* saying you want to be part of the U8 lifecycle.
[22:15] <tedg_> mterry: If you didn't want to be part of it, wouldn't you use "mir" ?
[22:15] <tedg_> I don't think we want to let app developers off the hook.
[22:15] <mterry> tedg_: sure.  I buy that argument.  But then we should move all the other stuff we do in unity8 interface out of it
[22:15] <tedg_> If you want the goodness that is Unity8, you have to develop and app that can talk to us about lifecycle correctly.
[22:16] <mterry> tedg_: well it's complicated.  Any app that uses Qt + mir won't have copy and paste or Qt.openUrlExternally support unless they also have access to the desktop services
[22:17] <mterry> tedg_: So like... spotify (if written in Qt) could very reasonably want to run in mir directly (it can!  qt supports it), but also not be lifecycled
[22:17] <mterry> but to lose copy/paste in that deal?
[22:17] <mterry> That's unexpected
[22:17] <tedg_> mterry: I guess it seems to me that the number of Qt apps that bundle the mir backend will be small.
[22:17] <tedg_> mterry: So we're talking about people that want to use our custom backend, bundle it in their snap, but don't want to listen to its signals about lifecycle.
[22:18] <mterry> tedg_: it's not a custom backend.  It's just Qt!  If you use Qt, you might as well use the platform's Mir support, to avoid running in XMir
[22:18] <tedg_> mterry: How are you getting "ubuntumirclient" in your snap?
[22:19] <tedg_> That's not gonna be in the upstream's Qt.
[22:20] <mterry> tedg_: OK...  I'm getting what you're saying, but I still feel like there's a case we're not considering, or that this is too many assumptions...  I'll sleep on it, maybe I'm not thinking about it fully
[22:21] <tedg_> mterry: I just feel like we need to have a carrot to say "do it right" or we'll never get apps that do it right.
[22:21] <tedg_> Why would they?
[22:55] <dobey> mterry: i think for that case they want a kiosk anyway, and not unity8
[22:56] <dobey> either you want to integrate with the system, or you want to build your own system
[23:03] <xrandr> Hello Can ubuntu mobile be installed on a Samsung Galaxy S6 Tablet?
[23:06] <OerHeks> xrandr, not yet, https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/devices/
[23:06] <xrandr> darn