[10:06] bluesabre: See -devel for the Qt thing. The plugin and the env var were parts of it, but the old var clashes with the new one. >_< [10:13] (Sum up: Install qt5-style-plugins unset QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE=gtk and set QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2) [11:18] Unit193, any idea how that might affect qt < 5 ? [11:24] Well the plugin is only for 5... Time to do some tests in a VM I guess (keeping in mind ~/.config/Trolltech.conf) [11:24] I think the troll file is for 4. [11:26] bluesabre: I just confirmed everything I said. [11:27] gotcha [11:27] Unit193, so, we drop the existing var and replace with the new one, keep Trolltech, and install qt5-style-plugins [11:28] Unit193, thanks for looking into this :) [11:28] That's where it gets fun: If we install qt5-style-plugins we install Qt5, if *we* don't do anything about qt5-style-plugins the user gets ugly Qt5 if the user installs anything. [11:29] bluesabre: And sure thing. [11:29] so there's no way to get the vars without installing? sigh. [11:29] *et [11:29] *set [11:29] ma [11:29] *man! [11:29] knome: We can set them, they'll do nothing. [11:29] even if the user installs something? [11:31] If the user installs qt5-style-plugins he's set. [11:31] right [11:31] why wouldn't they? it's not a dep of qt5? [11:32] Things depending on qt5-style-plugins: ubuntu-mate-core ubuntu-mate-desktop [11:32] right, so they install qt5? [11:32] MATE? So it'd seem. [11:33] meh [11:33] oki [11:33] so from my POV, i think the best thing to do is to set the var and tell people to install the qt5-style-plugins package if they use qt5 [11:33] or maybe try to get it as a recommend of qt5 [11:35] That last one would be pretty cool, but doubt we'd have such luck. I agree with the telling users thing, release notes that nobody reads and blog post might be nice. [11:43] the dep chain for that package kinda sucks http://packages.ubuntu.com/zesty/qt5-style-plugins :( [11:43] i'm poking my friendly kde friend, so let's see.. [11:44] ah, "gde"? [11:44] ;) [11:47] Mirv! [11:48] actually nope :P [11:48] don't even know how much he is involved with qt [11:48] hmm, seems like he is [11:49] I had to ask one of the Qt people because our QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE=gtk was messing with the whole setup and I never knew. :( [11:49] I would have had it the first time I kind of looked into it had it not been for that. [11:49] maybe i can ask him as well if i don't get anywhere with this first person [12:20] morning [12:20] 'lo [12:21] bluesabre: is mousepad actually supposed to do something if you drag a tab 'outside' ? that is more than crash :p [12:21] i guess either more or less than a crash :P [12:22] :) [12:22] flocculant, no, that doesn't seem right, I'd expect anything to die if you ripped out more than 50% of it [12:22] :D [12:22] bluesabre: looking at xfce 13336 [12:22] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 13336 in General "Program crash when dropping tab on Desktop" [Critical,New] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13336 [12:23] Yup, it definitely crashes [12:23] that's no good [12:23] oh I know - I have the same here :p [12:24] though I seem to get SIGABRT not SIGSEV [12:25] Easy solution is to disable tab removal [12:25] indeed [12:26] well easy for you - I'd be using a hammer and nails :p [12:26] :D [12:27] bluesabre: I guess I was really meaning is dropping a tab something that would be expected ;) [12:27] flocculant, ah [12:27] yes, that's a standard feature [12:27] * flocculant waits for knome's comment [12:27] dragging a tab out should put it into a new mousepad window [12:28] ok - so do you want the bit of backtrace I managed to get on that bug report? and is strace any use? [12:28] Also crashes moving between two open mousepad windows [12:29] flocculant, sure, that might help [12:29] okey doke [12:29] I'm terrible at reviewing traces, I look for each of the functions and try to find them in the code [12:29] :) [12:29] sometimes it works [12:29] and sometimes its GTK internal and I have no idea whats going on [12:30] seems I can never actually get gdb to finish properly here ... [12:33] its an ugly crash [12:33] running it in valgrind dumps so much [12:35] ok - added comment and strace [12:37] I'm obviously doing some basic wrong with gdb - can start an app - then when it crashes or something - gdb just sits there not letting me do anything but quit/detach so never know if it would have echoed more :P [12:39] never learned how to gdb properly [12:39] bbiab [12:39] 'bt' [12:40] Unit193: \o/ thanks :) [12:43] Sure thing. [12:58] Without debugging symbols, it has limited usefulness. [14:20] right - and they come from where :) [15:02] flocculant, comment about what again? [15:21] all the things [15:22] :) [15:24] heh [15:25] * knome comments like a gumby would... my brain huuurts [15:25] :) [15:25] lol [15:26] bbl, dinner time [16:56] https://code.launchpad.net/~flocculant/ubuntu-manual-tests/1662965/+merge/316737 ← here you go, flocculant [17:21] thanks slickymaster [17:22] sure === Justanick1 is now known as Justanick [20:01] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: [greybird] r490 Improve osd readability... (by Simon Steinbeiß) === Justanick1 is now known as Justanick === Justanick1 is now known as Justanick === Justanick1 is now known as Justanick === Zren is now known as ZrenTest2 === ZrenTest2 is now known as Zren === Zren is now known as ZrenTest2 [23:08] new greybird release out btw [23:09] hooray [23:14] ochosi: Sweet, virii and all? :D [23:15] virii? [23:16] or are you really refering to viruses? (and even then i don't get it) [23:17] urban dictionary to the rescue... [23:17] "Refers to people from planet virus" [23:17] o.O [23:17] silly Unit193 [23:18] Yes, I am asking if you make sure to include viruses in the GTK theme. :PO [23:27] i do, ofc. why would you ask that? [23:27] :>