[10:06] <Unit193> bluesabre: See -devel for the Qt thing.  The plugin and the env var were parts of it, but the old var clashes with the new one. >_<
[10:13] <Unit193> (Sum up: Install qt5-style-plugins unset QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE=gtk and set QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2)
[11:18] <bluesabre> Unit193, any idea how that might affect qt < 5 ?
[11:24] <Unit193> Well the plugin is only for 5...  Time to do some tests in a VM I guess (keeping in mind ~/.config/Trolltech.conf)
[11:24] <Unit193> I think the troll file is for 4.
[11:26] <Unit193> bluesabre: I just confirmed everything I said.
[11:27] <bluesabre> gotcha
[11:27] <bluesabre> Unit193, so, we drop the existing var and replace with the new one, keep Trolltech, and install qt5-style-plugins
[11:28] <bluesabre> Unit193, thanks for looking into this :)
[11:28] <Unit193> That's where it gets fun: If we install qt5-style-plugins we install Qt5, if *we* don't do anything about qt5-style-plugins the user gets ugly Qt5 if the user installs anything.
[11:29] <Unit193> bluesabre: And sure thing.
[11:29] <knome> so there's no way to get the vars without installing? sigh.
[11:29] <knome> *et
[11:29] <knome> *set
[11:29] <knome> ma
[11:29] <knome> *man!
[11:29] <Unit193> knome: We can set them, they'll do nothing.
[11:29] <knome> even if the user installs something?
[11:31] <Unit193> If the user installs qt5-style-plugins he's set.
[11:31] <knome> right
[11:31] <knome> why wouldn't they? it's not a dep of qt5?
[11:32] <Unit193> Things depending on qt5-style-plugins: ubuntu-mate-core ubuntu-mate-desktop
[11:32] <knome> right, so they install qt5?
[11:32] <Unit193> MATE?  So it'd seem.
[11:33] <knome> meh
[11:33] <knome> oki
[11:33] <knome> so from my POV, i think the best thing to do is to set the var and tell people to install the qt5-style-plugins package if they use qt5
[11:33] <knome> or maybe try to get it as a recommend of qt5
[11:35] <Unit193> That last one would be pretty cool, but doubt we'd have such luck.  I agree with the telling users thing, release notes that nobody reads and blog post might be nice.
[11:43] <bluesabre> the dep chain for that package kinda sucks http://packages.ubuntu.com/zesty/qt5-style-plugins :(
[11:43] <knome> i'm poking my friendly kde friend, so let's see..
[11:44] <bluesabre> ah, "gde"?
[11:44] <knome> ;)
[11:47] <Unit193> Mirv!
[11:48] <knome> actually nope :P
[11:48] <knome> don't even know how much he is involved with qt
[11:48] <knome> hmm, seems like he is
[11:49] <Unit193> I had to ask one of the Qt people because our QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE=gtk was messing with the whole setup and I never knew. :(
[11:49] <Unit193> I would have had it the first time I kind of looked into it had it not been for that.
[11:49] <knome> maybe i can ask him as well if i don't get anywhere with this first person
[12:20] <flocculant> morning
[12:20] <knome> 'lo
[12:21] <flocculant> bluesabre: is mousepad actually supposed to do something if you drag a tab 'outside' ? that is more than crash :p
[12:21] <knome> i guess either more or less than a crash :P
[12:22] <flocculant> :)
[12:22] <bluesabre> flocculant, no, that doesn't seem right, I'd expect anything to die if you ripped out more than 50% of it
[12:22] <bluesabre> :D
[12:22] <flocculant> bluesabre: looking at xfce 13336
[12:23] <bluesabre> Yup, it definitely crashes
[12:23] <bluesabre> that's no good
[12:23] <flocculant> oh I know - I have the same here :p
[12:24] <flocculant> though I seem to get SIGABRT not SIGSEV
[12:25] <bluesabre> Easy solution is to disable tab removal
[12:25] <flocculant> indeed 
[12:26] <flocculant> well easy for you - I'd be using a hammer and nails :p
[12:26] <bluesabre> :D
[12:27] <flocculant> bluesabre: I guess I was really meaning is dropping a tab something that would be expected ;)
[12:27] <bluesabre> flocculant, ah
[12:27] <bluesabre> yes, that's a standard feature
[12:27]  * flocculant waits for knome's comment 
[12:27] <bluesabre> dragging a tab out should put it into a new mousepad window
[12:28] <flocculant> ok - so do you want the bit of backtrace I managed to get on that bug report? and is strace any use?
[12:28] <bluesabre> Also crashes moving between two open mousepad windows
[12:29] <bluesabre> flocculant, sure, that might help
[12:29] <flocculant> okey doke
[12:29] <bluesabre> I'm terrible at reviewing traces, I look for each of the functions and try to find them in the code
[12:29] <flocculant> :)
[12:29] <bluesabre> sometimes it works
[12:29] <bluesabre> and sometimes its GTK internal and I have no idea whats going on
[12:30] <flocculant> seems I can never actually get gdb to finish properly here ...
[12:33] <bluesabre> its an ugly crash
[12:33] <bluesabre> running it in valgrind dumps so much
[12:35] <flocculant> ok - added comment and strace
[12:37] <flocculant> I'm obviously doing some basic wrong with gdb - can start an app - then when it crashes or something - gdb just sits there not letting me do anything but quit/detach so never know if it would have echoed more :P
[12:39] <bluesabre> never learned how to gdb properly
[12:39] <bluesabre> bbiab
[12:39] <Unit193> 'bt'
[12:40] <flocculant> Unit193: \o/ thanks :)
[12:43] <Unit193> Sure thing.
[12:58] <Unit193> Without debugging symbols, it has limited usefulness.
[14:20] <flocculant> right - and they come from where :)
[15:02] <knome> flocculant, comment about what again?
[15:21] <bluesabre> all the things
[15:22] <knome> :)
[15:24] <flocculant> heh
[15:25]  * knome comments like a gumby would... my brain huuurts
[15:25] <knome> :)
[15:25] <flocculant> lol
[15:26] <knome> bbl, dinner time
[16:56] <slickymaster> https://code.launchpad.net/~flocculant/ubuntu-manual-tests/1662965/+merge/316737 ←  here you go, flocculant 
[17:21] <flocculant> thanks slickymaster 
[17:22] <slickymaster> sure
[20:01] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: [greybird] r490 Improve osd readability... (by Simon Steinbeiß)
[23:08] <ochosi> new greybird release out btw
[23:09] <knome> hooray
[23:14] <Unit193> ochosi: Sweet, virii and all? :D
[23:15] <ochosi> virii?
[23:16] <ochosi> or are you really refering to viruses? (and even then i don't get it)
[23:17] <ochosi> urban dictionary to the rescue...
[23:17] <ochosi> "Refers to people from planet virus"
[23:17] <knome> o.O
[23:17] <knome> silly Unit193 
[23:18] <Unit193> Yes, I am asking if you make sure to include viruses in the GTK theme. :PO
[23:27] <ochosi> i do, ofc. why would you ask that?
[23:27] <ochosi> :>