[00:05] Mostaaaafaaaa was added by: Mostaaaafaaaa === kubuntu is now known as Guest32958 [00:06] hi to everybody === jayhunold is now known as jhunold [01:11] Hi everyone, I have an issue with Kubuntu. I installed Kubuntu 16.1 recently and sometimes my screen goes black with only one column of yellow pixels on the left. Nothing would work, no keyboard, no tty. If I restart it's ok until it happens again usually after one day or so. I'm using an Acer Aspire 5820t laptop. I also had Windows 7 in my laptop and it worked with no problems. So I guess it's not a hardware issue. "sudo lshw - [01:11] gives me the following output: [01:12] sudo lshw -c display … *-display … description: VGA compatible controller … product: Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller … vendor: Intel Corporation … physical id: 2 … bus info: pci@0000:00:02.0 … version: 12 … width: 64 bits … clock: 33MHz … capabilities: msi pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom … config [01:12] resources: irq:25 memory:d0000000-d03fffff memory:c0000000-cfffffff ioport:3050(size=8) memory:c0000-dffff [01:12] (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/JPhZAgFR/file_1959.jpg [01:13] Here is a picture showing the black screen that I see [01:13] Can anyone help me figure out what's the problem? Thank you. === tiger is now known as Guest66421 [03:03] hey guys after rebooting my Kubuntu 16.04 desktop I'm getting that infamous "black screen" instead of the Plasma login page. I can login via terminal just fine but I'm at my wits end trying to fix this. I have reinstalled the desktop enviornment, graphics drivers, sddm, etc trying to fix this and nothing. I've had this once before but nothing seems to be working this time. Anyone mind helping me out? [03:36] damn I really don't want to do another clean install [03:50] poco_: have you added backports? [03:50] I think that would be worthwhile before doing a clean install [03:50] Yes I added the Kubuntu backports [03:51] http://kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-6-4-available-in-16-04-backports/ [03:51] oh, good [03:52] how about `sudo apt install -f` [03:52] f=fix [03:52] just in case something is corrupted [03:52] did it, nothing updated [03:52] any other PPAs added? [03:53] yeah I mean I've been using this system for months so I have lots of ppas [03:53] such as? [03:53] graphics drivers, some applications I can't remember off the top of my head [03:54] hmmm [03:54] just found something that's curious [03:54] I don't have a xorg.conf file [03:54] I don't think that is standard anymore [03:55] ok because I have some xorg.conf.backup files I see [03:55] maybe that was from the last time I had this issue when I first installed this thing [03:56] I have none either [03:56] why did you need a PPA for graphics drivers? [03:56] it's what I was using before so I can have the latest Nivida drivers [03:56] I have nvidia-375 installed [03:56] tried removing and reinstalling those several times to no avail [03:57] what happens if you roll back to something that worked before? [03:57] sorry, roll back what? [03:57] graphics driver [03:58] nividia-375 was working before [03:58] but I also tried nvidia-current as well [03:59] it appears that my graphics driver is working [04:01] I'd be more inclined to do a fresh install if you knew of a way I could backup all my desktop configurations that I have customized to my liking haha [04:02] well, you can back up ~/.config and ~/.local [04:02] however, I would only move them back file by file [04:02] oh [04:02] before re-installing [04:03] have you tried logging in with a new user? [04:03] I only have one user [04:03] right, making a new test user [04:03] but I can't even get to the GUI login page [04:04] you never get to grub? [04:04] oh I get past there [04:04] or never get to SDDM [04:04] correct' [04:04] it just throws me to a black screen after the 'Kubuntu'logo and then I have to ctrl-alt-f1 to login [04:04] and you did install --reinstall SDDM? [04:04] yep... a lot haha [04:05] SDDM status shows everything good [04:05] hmmm, so plasma isn't starting [04:05] how about install --reinstall plasma-desktop [04:06] hmm hold on it's saying --reinstall is not understood [04:07] whoops missed install [04:07] `sudo apt install --reinstall plasma-desktop` [04:07] alright did both. should I reboot? [04:07] did it do anything? [04:08] negative [04:08] I would try [04:08] rebooting [04:08] `sudo apt install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop` [04:08] too [04:09] while I can't remember exactly what I did last time to fix this similar issue I do remember it having to do with 'plasma' in the solution. oh well [04:10] hold on reinstalling kubuntu-desktop [04:11] negative results [04:12] :( [04:12] !user [04:12] To add new users to your Ubuntu system, follow the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddUsersHowto - For administrative privileges, users need to be made members of the group "sudo" - See !sudo [04:13] if a restart leaves you in the same place, I really would create a new user in the cli [04:13] and in the cli, start from that new user, and see if anything has changed [04:13] if that is a fail, I'm out of ideas [04:14] cool created a new su user [04:14] excellent [04:14] no guarantees [04:14] but always worth a try [04:14] sorry what do you want me to do now that I have a new user? [04:14] login as that user [04:14] see if things work [04:15] Ok I'm logged in [04:15] and? [04:16] nothing I mean it just changed users- ctrl-alt-f7 brings me back to a black screen as always [04:16] :( [04:16] yeaah [04:16] well, do a good backup [04:16] yeah I can at least rsync my files to my backup server [04:16] including those two folders I meantioned above [04:16] but I woudln't replace them whole-hog [04:17] so I can pull my desktop settings off those two directories? [04:17] just one file at a time [04:17] yes [04:17] cool [04:17] a very few things are still in ~/.kde [04:17] apps which don't have a KF5 version yet [04:17] I was thinking of trying out KDE Neon next. What do you think? [04:18] depends on what you want [04:18] I really like KDE but my number one goal with all of this is to learn [04:18] it has the latest plasma, and latest KDE popular apps [04:18] on an Ubuntu 16.04 base [04:18] any reasons to keep Kubuntu over Neon? [04:19] everything else is from the Ubuntu archive [04:19] as I said, depends on what you want [04:19] they are basically rolling on a stable base [04:19] whereas we send out a new version - tested - every six months [04:20] yeah a more bleeding edge DE does sound kind of fun [04:20] except when it craps the bed like right now :P [04:20] you aren't bleeding edge, you are on 16.04 LTS [04:20] * valorie is on 17.04, the alpha [04:20] well yes [04:21] you can always try an upgrade to 16.10 [04:21] but KDE updates faster on Neon than Kubuntu is what I meant [04:21] `sudo do-release-upgrade` [04:21] sometimes, yes they do [04:22] although we share packaging sometimes as well [04:22] I'm on both teams [04:22] so when you ask, depends what I want. What kinds of things should I be asking myself when deciding if Kubuntu or Neon is more my speed? [04:22] I think neon is awesome for experts [04:23] well I'm not an expert but I love learning this stuff [04:23] * valorie isn't an expert either [04:23] and I would prefer to know less than I do about how to fix stuff [04:23] lol [04:24] since it usually means I messed something up [04:24] haha [04:24] well I appreciate you taking time out of your evening to help me outm valorie I really do. It's guys like you that keep me sucked into this linux world [04:25] * valorie is no guy! [04:25] I'm a grandma [04:25] lol [04:25] haha I meant that as in the collective guys! haha but my apologies [04:26] no apologies, most here are guys [04:28] Also I learned my lesson and will be doing more clonezilla image backups on my new system for when this happens to me again [04:37] btw poco_, hang out in the #kde-neon chan, and see if you like the team [04:37] it's best IMO to work with people you like [04:37] thanks for the recommendation [04:37] and things work best when you are willing to file bugs, give feedback, etc. === lubuntu is now known as Guest39841 === lubuntu_ is now known as Guest39841 === Guest39841 is now known as lubuntu_ [06:53] hello? [06:59] e === jayhunold is now known as jhunold [08:36] Good morning. [08:43] Goodmorning guys! running plasmashell -v gives me "plasmashell 5.5.5". I've read plasma 5.9 is released! How can I get the latest version installed on my kubuntu 16.04? [08:43] I wonder because I'm experiencing some bugs! [08:44] If it is available for 16.04 it is in the backports ppa. [08:45] !info plasma-desktop kubuntu-backports [08:45] Package plasma-desktop does not exist in kubuntu-backports [08:45] !info plasma-meta kubuntu-backports [08:45] Package plasma-meta does not exist in kubuntu-backports [08:45] !info plasma-desktop [08:45] plasma-desktop (source: plasma-desktop): Tools and widgets for the desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:5.7.5-0ubuntu2 (yakkety), package size 1733 kB, installed size 8712 kB [08:45] Hmm... should be in backports somewhere. [08:46] lordievader, thanks i'll google! [08:46] http://kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-8-5-bugfix-release-in-xenial-and-yakkety-backports-now/ [09:10] Hello. I have a strange problem. I am using the app Kupfer (an app that starts other apps via some shortcut/command-window). It is started automatically and runs, but the command-window doesn't open when I hit the shortcut. The only way it works is for me to stop the process and run Kupfer manually from the command-line. Kupfer doesn't even work when use Kubuntus own application launcher. Does anybody know [09:10] what the problem could be? [09:21] Weird issue, phpstorm doesn't show an icon in my task bar. Tried reinstalling the program.. no luck === kubuntu is now known as Guest31936 [09:46] kubuntu 16.10 black screen after login? === FFleder is now known as FFleder^afk [12:06] Hello. I was changing something about auto-startup-apps and suddenly I can't log in to my desktop anymore. When I enter my password the mouse cursor changes to an "X" like the one when X11 doesn't start up properly and the screen only shows the login-screen. Is there something I could look for via dmesg or systemctl? [12:34] Hiya folks [12:48] Hello. I'm having problems with my desktop, have been writing about it some minutes ago via a tty. After fiddling with startup-applications, I can't log in anymore. The display stays on the login-screen and after switching to a tty and back the screen is blank. I tried to create a new user and log in with it, but it's just the same. Any thoughts? [12:50] try startx in the tty [12:53] BluesKaj: Now that's strange. When using "startx" it shows a bar at the top that looks like from Gnome, even though this is a clean Kubuntu-installation. o.O [12:54] BluesKaj: BluesKaj I mean it shows "Activities", the clock cenetered and all the icons associated with Gnome. [12:54] stephanlap: do you have a complete desktop ? [12:55] I can move the pointer but I can't click on anything. The desktop doesn't react. [12:55] stephanlap: did you do any repartitioning before installation [12:55] BluesKaj: No, definitely not. The last thing I was doing was to disable an application for which auto-start was enabled. [12:56] BluesKaj: I had changed something in the grub-config-file before, but it was only about the resolution and I had successfully restarted after changing things. [12:58] is this a clean install in terms of / and retention of /home's mountpoint? because if you were on gnome previously the config files will stil be there [12:59] BluesKaj: No, the HD was a new one and I installed directly from a Kbuntu 16.x CD. [12:59] BluesKaj: There can't be any references to gnome, afaik, as there never was Gnome installed on this HD. [12:59] whoa that's strange [13:00] And I am still getting the regular Kubuntu-login-screen, I just can't log in anymore. [13:00] which kubuntu? [13:01] When I do "sudo killall sddm" I see the login-screen again, but that's as far as I get. [13:01] BluesKaj: I think I had installed Kubuntu 16.04 and had later upgraded to 16.10. But that was some months ago. [13:03] stephanlap: which graphics/gpu? [13:03] nvidia [13:04] ah ok, which nvidia ? [13:04] according to hwinfo it's GeForce 8200 [13:07] stephanlap: in the vt/tty login then sudo apt install nvidia-340 [13:08] then reboot [13:08] okay, I'll try that. [13:09] I was just getting acquainted with the command line more and thought I knew what I was doing. Seems not, as I have no clue what went wrong. :p [13:14] BluesKaj: Didn't help, as it seems. The only thing that changed now is that I'm getting a black screen immedieately after trying to log in, and also an "X"-mouse cursor. i can move it, but as the screen is completely black there's nothing to click. :-/ [13:16] Oh wait... o.O [13:17] BluesKaj: It seems I can log in via my newly created user from before. o.O But not with my regular user. This seems to be a step forward. [13:17] Now the "only" question is, what in my regular user-folder causes the problem... [13:19] I was never a fan of avoiding regular user "workarounds" , make sure you installed the nvidia-340 as your original user [13:20] BluesKaj: I am sure I did, as I logged into the tty via my regular user-account. [13:21] ok [13:22] in the the tty as regular user , sudo systemctl enable sddm, then, sudo systemsctl start sddm [13:26] After the first command I get some text about "Executing: /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install enable sddm" and "the unit files have no installation config...". There's no error-message however. [13:27] Possibly a stupid question: Should I log out of the new user-account before trying these commands? [13:31] stephanlap: these comands should be by the "regular user" [13:31] Yeah, that's what I've done in the tty. [13:38] BluesKaj: I have just had a look at ".xsession-errors" and it had some messages about xrdb refusing a connection and being unable to open display ":0", as well and "xhost" being unable to open display ":0". There's a similar message about "dbus-update-activation-environment". [13:39] BluesKaj: and dbus refusing a connection to some socket in "/tmp". I wonder if these messages are part of the problem. [13:39] stephanlap: did you try startx [13:41] and I forgot to mention , did you update and upgrade your packages while logged in the tty as "regular user" [13:41] stephanlap: ^ [13:41] BluesKaj: I just did. The same problem as before. On the tty-screen the strange Gnome-desktop comes up with no possibility to click on anything. [13:42] BluesKaj: I didn't upgrade and update but I'll try. [13:42] always update and upgrade after a new install [13:43] Tried it, nothing to upgrade [13:44] stephanlap: install dkms just to make sure, it should be installed by default, but.... [13:45] BluesKaj: It should be, as I have VirtualBox installed which I think wanted to have it. [13:45] Yeah, it's installed. [13:46] you have a vm running ? [13:46] Not at the moment, no. [13:49] ok, you mentioned an upgrade from 16.04 to 16.10 , or is this a clean install ? [13:50] BluesKaj: I am pretty sure I upgrade from Kubuntu 16.04 to 16.10, but this was months ago. [13:51] run lsb_release -a [13:51] stephanlap: ^ [13:53] It says Ubunt 16.10. But I definitely never installed anything else than Kubuntu on this HD and never installed any other desktop environments. === lethu_ is now known as lethu [13:58] BluesKaj: Sorry to keep you occupied for that long. I will see if I can get things working through some other means. [13:59] I just saw that one of my other HDs (to which some links from my regular user-folder point to) isn't mounted at all, for some reason. Not sure if that could cause the problems, but one can try... [14:13] So the unmounted HD obviously wasn't the problem. :-/ [14:18] stephanlap: that may not be trrue if the boot manager is looking for other drives previously listed as entries in /etc/fstab then there could be a problem, make sure the drive you want to use is listed as first in the UEFI/BIOS boot sequence === vaas is now known as vaas__ === vaas__ is now known as vaas === Haudegen is now known as Guest33909 === clone is now known as clone_Q [18:03] I have a graphics card that will not give any display in X mode, the monitor saying "Input not supported", whereas in text mode (alt-F1) it works fine. [18:04] I think this card worked fine before so I don't know what could be the issue [18:04] It is a GTX 950. [18:04] Sounds like the set resolution is not supported by the monitor. [18:05] It seems yes but it is really set to 1024x768 and that is what I am now running in also, on a different GFX. [18:05] At first I thought maybe it could be my own X config but on a live DVD session it does the same [18:05] what's more, it also happens on SDDM, and not just a KDE session. [18:06] It's an analog DVI output (DVI-I -> VGA), what on earth could be the problem I wonder. [18:06] I definitely ran Linux on that thing, before, although then I might have been using HDMI only. [18:06] Now that I remember, Windows had issues on its DVI-I port also.... [18:07] on a different computer even, I would get "mouse lag" in Windows. [18:07] which didn't happen on HDMI. [18:08] It's so terribly strange and basically renders the card half-dysfunctional but it doesn't work at all in Linux now, save for the TTY mode. [18:09] I once overheated it by accident but it seemed to still work fine after. [18:09] But I have no clue how to troubleshoot it in Linux. [18:10] and everything is rather painful if you only have TTY ;-). [18:10] Maybe I actually damaged the card... [18:11] how does one easily redo the EDID detection of your monitor, or should it happen automatically? [18:11] I am in 1024x768 because there is something wrong with the cabling at this point. === Haudegen is now known as Guest42901 [18:13] what about using hdmi exclusively/ [18:13] ? [18:13] I was intending for it to be dual monitor although I could use the other card for it, I have 2 x16 slots. [18:13] But I have no HDMI monitor now. [18:13] at least not available. [18:14] basically the test would be to connect it over HDMI to see if it works then. === Guest42901 is now known as Haudegen [18:15] but this really... sucks. GTX 950 suddenly damaged... [18:15] Still works in Windows. [18:15] But gives weirdness. [18:15] On VGA. [18:15] But what commands would I run to see what is going on? [18:16] xrandr also didn't give all normal output modes on it but it could have been the cable/EDID. [18:17] It is just so weird that TTY mode works fine, which also should be 1024x768 right. [18:17] Change the cable and see if edid works? [18:18] I have been running in 1440x900 on this monitor just fine, on Windows lately. I need the extra length atm for the position of the monitor. I should be able to get it to work but it's been really annoying. [18:19] I can take a DVI-I cable out and see if I get 1440x900 now. [18:19] but I am not very likely to plug the 950 in again without extra "armor" ;-). [18:20] Both systems ( I have another card, R9 380) were meant to be dual monitor... this kinda ruins things. [18:21] I purchased all kinds of VGA stuff (or DVI-I). [18:21] So how do I know how to retry the EDID thing? [18:22] I may need to put the monitor close to the cable and fiddle with it until it works. [18:22] But I need to know if it is automatic or not. [18:24] the nouveau driver does it at X start apparently. [18:25] but that means leaving this chat while doing so ;-). [18:26] It doesn't do it again apparently when I turn off the monitor and back again. [18:26] So how do I know if it's okay without restarting X? [18:36] There are a couple of tools to read edid info from the video card. [18:36] Google for it, forgot the name. [18:42] Yeah I found one [18:42] read-edid is in the repositories; makes "get-edid | parse-edid" do the trick, thanks. [18:43] The EDID problem seems to have been caused by a VGA switch that was in between :p. The switch would only report EDID when the monitor was connected to output 3, because it has 4 outputs :P :P :P. [18:44] dammit would never have thought that :p. [18:44] But the 950 problems also happened when directly connected without the switch. [18:44] anyway that solves my graphics problems for now, just not with the 950 yet... [18:49] but at least now I know how to get edid information for that too [18:49] Those switches are teribble for EDID. [18:50] I guess it is logical that they would only pass it for one output. [18:50] just a little illogical that it is output number 3. [18:57] If I have 2 graphics cards in the system and I only connect the output of one of them... I mean which card is Linux going to pick? [18:57] and will the xrandr outputs be a collection of both of them? Will I found both outputs of both cards there? [18:58] in other words, can I safely connect the non-functioning device and test it after I connect something to it? [18:58] does Linux (or X, or KDE) automatically pick the card in the first slot? [18:59] or does it use the stuff the BIOS initializes first? [18:59] I guess I will just hook the failing card and see for myself (hook it as second slot). [18:59] (second card). [18:59] brb. [18:59] odd question , i guess you have a mobo with an onboard graphics and an additional third party gfx card correct? [18:59] lol of course it happens as i type [19:01] Wasn't the R9 an AMD one? AMD and nVidia do not play nice in one system. I've tried -.- [19:01] he left :( [19:02] i agree though many many years ago [19:02] my first build actually [19:02] nvidia card on a amd mobo/cpu [19:02] did not work nicely [19:02] thought those problesm were fixed by now === Haudegen is now known as Guest76028 [19:06] I run nvidia 8400gs on an amd cpu equipped HP desktop [19:06] no probs [19:06] yea thought compatability was solved by now [19:06] but then again ever set up is different [19:06] so no guantees [19:07] i think the guy was concerned about having two cards and if one would deactivte or not [19:07] but he left before we could get to workin on it so no clue [19:07] think I had to make the pci/gpu default a long time ago, iirc [19:08] in the bios [19:09] well hopefully he'll come back [19:10] this desktop pc is 2008 vintage so no mucking about with gpt and efi [19:11] it has a real bios :-) [19:11] ahh nice , i gave my laat old school system away to a local food bank a year ago [19:11] i just don't have room to hook it up [19:12] although i wasn't very happy a "volunteer" decided they needed it and took it home [19:12] lesson learned [19:13] but sinse the work or volunteer requirment got into affect alot of the volunteers actually kind are in need i guess , thats why they're there [19:14] heh, i guy at the local seniors drop in center was going to "fix the computer" a freind gave them by trying to bring it home, but my friend managed to show hm there was nothing wrong because it was running ubuntu and not windows :-) [19:15] :) [19:15] i found out in hindsight unfurtately , nothihng i could of done to stop it , when i donated mine [19:15] the last I heard the seniors were still using ubuntu [19:15] i normally do 3 or four food bank runs a year [19:17] that would be a good outreach program , get a hardware drive of sorts going [19:17] than macgyver a bunch of pcs and put kubuntu on em [19:18] i'm sure we all have a bunch of crap sitting in our closets going to no use [19:18] anyway, I'm a senior myself and I check in there every few months to see how they're managing , they have 3 pcs on the go there now [19:18] nice [19:19] i havre 4 old but funcional hdds sitting around collecting dust [19:19] somebody lse has a box and mobo , bam we go something [19:25] sintre: I had it the other way around, motherboard had an nVidia chip. AMD gpu added. [19:26] ahh interesting [19:28] It was either... not both. === Guest76028 is now known as Haudegen [19:36] hiya [19:36] wb [19:36] it seems my problems were all due to cabling or there was something wrong with the connector on the card. [19:36] btw while you were gone we had a talk about the duel issue [19:36] I used the edid tool until it connected without error. [19:36] ah [19:37] well one thing that isn't needed now it seems is you would need to didable one or the other in bios [19:37] glad to here you got it fixed though :) [19:38] is on disabled by default ? [19:38] yeah. I could not get an image by default on the 2nd card. [19:38] but the EDID information did read. [19:38] ok is the one working the one you want working? [19:38] (or didn't, as the case may be :p). [19:38] both are working now [19:38] the EDID issue is what caused it not to function at all in X mode [19:38] something was wrong with the connector on the card I think. [19:39] is one an onboard chip and the other a actuall card , or are both cards? [19:39] nose just for info purposes here now :) [19:39] I had it loaded as the second card, then I connected the cable to it, then ran the edid tool, then connected the cable back to the first card and read the output. [19:39] both are cards. [19:40] One is GT 640 and other is GTX 950. [19:40] and both functional? [19:40] will both output [19:40] at first I got .. well the second one does not do anything now. [19:40] I'm not sure what X will do. [19:40] well thats what we were thinking [19:40] but BIOS/framebuffer driver doesn't do anything with it. [19:41] it is recognised by the system I guess. [19:41] it confuses the system with the two so it has to pick one [19:41] oh yes I was going to read xrandr info. [19:41] oh yes both cards are present as outputs :) [19:42] both tested? [19:42] or just showing up [19:42] DVI-I-1-2 disconnected HDMI-1-2 disconnected DVI-D-1-2 disconnected <-- not yet, just showing up [19:42] this is the second card now, the GT 640. [19:42] I have to hook it up to the switch to be able to test it. [19:43] pls do :) [19:43] so both cards are actually hooked to the switch :p [19:43] interesting set up [19:43] I could put a cloned image on DVI-I-1-2 and see if it shows when I attack it to the monitor. [19:43] I mean when I attack it to the switch and then switch to that input. [19:43] attach* [19:44] be gentle with monitor [19:44] :P [19:45] hehe [19:45] be gentle with knee *ouch*. [19:46] it shows the DVI-I-1-2 as connected now, the annoying thing is the switch doesn't pass the EDID when not selected. [19:47] so second card won't output [19:47] not yet let's see what happens when I switch to it, but I don't know what happens so I have to think about what to do in case of black image :p [19:50] it works alright, but I can hardly clone it if not both have the same edid right. [19:50] well funutately [19:50] i mean unfurtately [19:51] alot of duel monitor support problems [19:51] i would assume that easily translates into duel card problems as well [19:51] supposedly they're getting tackled one by one [19:51] yet to see it but , i can't even get clone to work with hdmi thru my new laptop [19:52] on my living room tv [19:52] which pisses me off to no end [19:52] as i have free hbo thru hbo go [19:52] and i'm not payinf 20 dollars for another cable box lol [19:54] my keyboard started malfunctioning I don know why :p [19:54] my paticular problem is the screens one clone properly for the native resolution [19:54] well if you can live with just one card for awhile [19:55] i would start there [19:55] get everything stable , and then later try to trouble shoot the other one working in tandum [19:55] its is a card you can pull out and all :) [19:55] right now it is the keyboard :p maybe it is just a battery problem :p [19:56] i just plugging it in for this type of trouble shooting lol [19:56] this is so weird [19:56] and how the hell do you have two dedicated cards in anotebook [19:56]