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| cpaelzer | good morning | 06:45 |
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| pitti | xnox, slangasek: Ian reverted my commit to Debian's sysvinit to keep the package in sync (https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/sysvinit.git/commit/?id=6ac609340af1), so the current zesty-proposed version brings back all the old cruft | 07:40 |
| pitti | xnox, slangasek: can you please remove it? remove-package in chroot complains with "Unable to find the server at api.launchpad.net" for me right now | 07:41 |
| pitti | (I'm talking to Ian how to fix this more properly) | 07:41 |
| fossfreedom_ | seb128: hi - when you have a mo' please can I ask you to review the merge request for the gnome-menu patch we discussed on Friday last. Cheers. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-menus/+bug/1631745 | 11:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1631745 in gnome-menus (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Budgie - panel crashed with SIGSEGV in g_slice_alloc()" [High,In progress] | 11:03 |
| ilmaisin | can anyone do sru if one can find someone with upload access to sponsor it? | 11:50 |
| jbicha | ilmaisin: yes! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess | 11:56 |
| cult- | xnox: do you have any planned time schedule for odb of xenial? | 12:07 |
| xnox | cult-, no. it is not that urgent. even though it does affect your systems =/ | 12:13 |
| cult- | xnox: is there anything i can do for it? | 12:13 |
| xnox | not really, no change uploads need to be prepared and uploaded. and one needs upload rights for that. | 12:14 |
| cult- | you mentioned that there's paperwork too for lts? | 12:14 |
| xnox | correct, i believe i have already filled all the boiler plate in the bug report description. | 12:15 |
| melodie | hi | 12:23 |
| melodie | I am using a Xenial install and being on a light system, trying to find a way to disable at-spi2. I don't find. There is no service for it so I can't use systemctl, and update-rc.d does not work anymore. If I remove the package it wants to pull off Evolution, which I need. What would be the best move? Create a service? Or ask the packager of Evolution to mark at-spi2 as optional? | 12:25 |
| seb128 | fossfreedom_, hey, yes it's on my list, glad that we converged toward a real fix and not a workaround | 12:42 |
| fossfreedom_ | :) thanks seb128 | 12:43 |
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| seb128 | melodie, hey, what's the issue with at-spi? you might be able to turn off some bits in the a11y u-c-c settings | 12:43 |
| ilmaisin | xnox: did you get till's mail about the cups sru? | 12:56 |
| ilmaisin | xnox: if you ae in hurry i can maybe help with the paperwork if someone will sponsor the update | 13:00 |
| ilmaisin | xnox: as it got little more important as it was noticed that on some systems cups will shut down even with shared printers | 13:03 |
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| xnox | ilmaisin, cups did not affect anybody at all. It only affected systems running -proposed, which no human should be doing. | 13:21 |
| xnox | ilmaisin, the fix is in the sru queue, and pending review by ~ubuntu-sru team, which i'm not part of | 13:21 |
| xnox | ilmaisin, also cups sru is available from a ppa, linked on the bug reprot | 13:21 |
| xnox | ilmaisin, also cups sru is available from a ppa, linked on the bug report | 13:21 |
| ilmaisin | xnox: in my last message about cups shutdown i meant the bug 1598300, not the bug 1642966 that is in testing, but they are interwoven that the fix to former depends on the fix to the later one | 13:32 |
| ubottu | bug 1598300 in cups (Ubuntu Xenial) "CUPS web interface stops responding after a while" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1598300 | 13:32 |
| ubottu | bug 1642966 in cups (Ubuntu Yakkety) "package cups-daemon 2.1.3-4 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1642966 | 13:32 |
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| xnox | ilmaisin, sure i understand that; but the next step for it to get published in proposed channels is to have ~ubuntu-sru team review it. | 13:33 |
| ilmaisin | xnox: ok | 13:33 |
| tjaalton | doko: mesa 17.0.0 was released, I'll switch it to use llvm-4.0 instead of 3.9 | 14:02 |
| doko | tjaalton: for trusty as well? | 14:03 |
| tjaalton | doko: no, just zesty | 14:03 |
| doko | ahh, ok | 14:03 |
| tjaalton | it'll be backported to xenial later | 14:03 |
| tjaalton | skipped 3.9 there | 14:03 |
| doko | just noticed that llvm 3.9 requires cmake 3.4.3 :-/ | 14:04 |
| tjaalton | and it failed to build on ppc64el on xenial | 14:04 |
| ChrisTownsend | seb128: Hi! So, as we discussed last week, the libertine landing needs a little help in -proposed. Would you have time to help out with that? | 14:27 |
| seb128 | ChrisTownsend, hey, let me have a look | 14:27 |
| ChrisTownsend | seb128: Thanks! | 14:27 |
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| zul | mterry: can you have a look at LP: #1662215 please when you get a chance should be pretty striaght forward | 14:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1662215 in python-weakrefmethod (Ubuntu) "[MIR] python-weakrefmethod" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1662215 | 14:57 |
| rbasak | !dmb-ping | 15:00 |
| ubottu | bdmurray, BenC, cyphermox, infinity, micahg, rbasak, sil2100: DMB ping. | 15:00 |
| mterry | zul: on it | 15:09 |
| zul | mterry: thanks | 15:09 |
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| hallyn | yay, another one of those updates that resets my xmodmap | 15:37 |
| hallyn | hadn't had one in awhile so i was perplexed why tmux was acting weird | 15:37 |
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| slangasek | pitti: sysvinit/zesty-proposed removed | 16:11 |
| pitti | slangasek: cheers | 16:12 |
| xnox | tedg_, is cgmanager needed for systemd-ubuntu-app-launch? | 17:00 |
| tedg_ | xnox: No it is not | 17:00 |
| tedg_ | Which makes UAL a lot faster too :-) | 17:00 |
| xnox | tedg_, you need click to launch clicks? | 17:00 |
| tedg_ | xnox: Yes, and for our click hooks in the package. | 17:01 |
| xnox | tedg_, is the C library libubuntu-app-launch upstart only?! | 17:27 |
| xnox | well the ubuntu-app-launch.cpp part of it? | 17:27 |
| * xnox guess it's not quite C library but C/C++ | 17:27 | |
| tedg_ | xnox: Yeah, the C code is basically a wrapper on the C++ stuff so that current users don't have to switch. | 17:28 |
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| xnox | tedg_, do you support launching clicks, under systemd? and in that case shouldn't one be launching (click?!) helpers with systemd? | 17:35 |
| tedg_ | xnox: Yes, because they'll become snap helpers soon. | 17:36 |
| tedg_ | xnox: Once all the interface hooks stuff lands in snapd. | 17:36 |
| xnox | tedg_, but i see that helpers are only launched with upstart, in libubuntu-app-launch/ubuntu-app-launch.cpp and ripping that out, appears to be breaking the ABI as well. | 17:39 |
| * xnox pretends that return FALSE; is not good enough here. | 17:39 | |
| tedg_ | xnox: Yes, that's part of what I'm doing to remove Upstart, is have helpers use the jobs objects, which take care of that. | 17:40 |
| xnox | tedg_, right, so i can't really rip out build dep on upstart just yet, as that will break things =( | 17:41 |
| xnox | bugger | 17:41 |
| tedg_ | xnox: Yes, we were discussing plans in #ubuntu-desktop this morning. We're gonna work to remove Upstart. | 17:42 |
| juliank | jbicha: your packagekit merge just build successfully on amd64 :D | 17:49 |
| juliank | it was "fun" | 17:51 |
| juliank | Ah, I'm subscribed to PackageKit bugs because I'm a member of the PackageKit-team team | 17:52 |
| jbicha | thanks! | 17:53 |
| xnox | tedg_, nice. | 17:54 |
| nacc | tarpman: would you be able to look at some of the autopkgtest failures from the openldap merge in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#openldap ? | 18:09 |
| tarpman | nacc: looking | 18:23 |
| nacc | tarpman: thanks! i think libreoffice is unrelated (as the version in excuses is triggering the same failure on itself), dogtag-pki is probably also not related | 18:26 |
| tarpman | nacc: dovecot one looks like some kind of TLS error? ssl.SSLEOFError: EOF occurred in violation of protocol (_ssl.c:720) | 18:27 |
| nacc | tarpman: yeah | 18:27 |
| tarpman | no idea about libaws really but also doesn't look particularly ldap related :\ | 18:27 |
| nacc | tarpman: yeah and it's odd that it is passing on a few and not on a few, i'll dig into that one | 18:28 |
| tarpman | nacc: do you happen to know whether the testbeds have anything installed a typical sbuild chroot wouldn't? e.g. ubuntu-minimal | 18:53 |
| nacc | tarpman: off the top of my head, sadly, no | 19:25 |
| nacc | tarpman: fwiw, the libaws regression is unrelated, i'm pretty sure -- it's also happening for libaws itself, as well on those archs | 19:27 |
| nacc | jgrimm: --^ FYI, openldap merge is done, but stuck in proposed while we figure out the tests | 19:27 |
| tarpman | nacc: but they need to be fixed for openldap to migrate, related or not, right? | 19:27 |
| nacc | tarpman: right, but the fix might not be in opendldap (e.g., i think the libaws ones needs rebuilds of specific packages) | 19:28 |
| jgrimm | nacc, ack | 19:28 |
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| melodie | seb128 still here? | 19:32 |
| nacc | tarpman: e.g., looking through excuses, i think all of the ada related packages are in 'regression' status for the same reason | 19:33 |
| melodie | seb128 my issue is about having the hand on the management of services and processes, which I don't have, because systemd-ui does not provide any kind of management | 19:33 |
| melodie | seb128 in Trusty it has been possible to disable the launch of at-spi2 and therefore a11y which is launched by dbus, using update-rc.d, but in Xenial with systemd there is no service written for this feature, so it's started for no reason as I don't need it, and I can't remove it because it's tied to Evolution, which I do need. | 19:35 |
| melodie | I thought maybe I could somehow tweak the behavior in apt conf as the Arch users do with the pacman.conf file for their package manager, but I found no clue about that in the man of apt or apt.conf … | 19:36 |
| tarpman | nacc: ack. currently looking at dogtag-pki, but only here for a little longer | 19:36 |
| nacc | tarpman: if I absolutely had to guess, that one is also unrelated | 19:37 |
| nacc | tarpman: as we have very similar regressions across other source packages | 19:38 |
| tarpman | sure, but a better chance of being within my power to do something about :) | 19:38 |
| jbicha | melodie: what's the problem with at-spi2 running? | 19:41 |
| melodie | jbicha resource | 19:50 |
| melodie | jbicha I tend to eliminate any process which is of no use in my system, so I'd like to be able to manage the processes the way I feel fit | 19:51 |
| jbicha | you could try cp /etc/xdg/autostart/at-spi-dbus-bus.desktop ~/.config/autostart/ and then add Hidden=true to that file in ~/.config/autostart | 19:52 |
| melodie | jbicha I will try that, thank you | 19:52 |
| jbicha | but Ubuntu intentionally does not make it easy to disable autostart files in the default install since disabling them often causes more harm than good | 19:53 |
| melodie | should I comment "NoDisplay=true" before using the Hidden feature? | 19:54 |
| melodie | jbicha perhaps the person who manages the package Evolution could mark at-spi2 as "recommands" and not as hard dependency? | 19:55 |
| melodie | quitting the session and coming back to test | 19:57 |
| sarnold | melodie: if you just want to uninstall the thing, there's a package that lets you build a package with nothing in it, that serves only to make apt happy | 19:57 |
| sarnold | sigh | 19:57 |
| jbicha | melodie: from what I can see, it's not a hard dependency of Evolution; it's a hard dependency of gtk3 | 20:01 |
| sarnold | melodie: if you just want to uninstall the thing, there's a package that lets you build a package with nothing in it, that serves only to make apt happy | 20:02 |
| sarnold | sadly I still haven't figured out the name of the package | 20:02 |
| melodie | jbicha strange | 20:02 |
| Laney | sarnold: equivs | 20:02 |
| melodie | jbicha because when I try to remove the package it wants to remove Evolution specifically | 20:02 |
| sarnold | Laney: that's the one! thanks :D | 20:03 |
| sarnold | melodie: maybe the 'equivs' package can help you | 20:03 |
| jbicha | melodie: it probably wants to remove everything gtk3 on your system! | 20:03 |
| melodie | jbicha I don't think so | 20:03 |
| jbicha | the package that has that autostart is at-spi2-core: https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/at-spi2-core/filelist | 20:04 |
| melodie | jbicha and? | 20:05 |
| jbicha | never mind, it's a different related pkg that gtk3 depends on | 20:05 |
| melodie | tried what you suggested it didn't work | 20:06 |
| Laney | You probably want to discuss this in a support channel | 20:06 |
| melodie | Laney it would be better if someone in the dev team could tell me if a service file would help have the hand on it | 20:07 |
| melodie | I'm not used to write any of these service files, but if I have to to be able to manage the service I might try to give it a go | 20:07 |
| melodie | then I could share it with other people | 20:08 |
| Laney | XDG autostart files can be overridden in your home directory | 20:08 |
| melodie | Laney that's what jbicha suggested but it didn't work | 20:08 |
| melodie | http://paste.ubuntu.com/23990496/ | 20:09 |
| dobey | or by using an environment which doesn't do xdg autostart | 20:09 |
| melodie | dobey a | 20:09 |
| melodie | what about having a service file which allows people to manage their services the way they like it? | 20:09 |
| jbicha | melodie: there's also systemd user services, at-spi-dbus-bus.service and at-spi-registryd.service | 20:10 |
| melodie | jbicha in this case I try systemctl commands now | 20:10 |
| * Laney requests that you go to a support channel for 'tweaker' discussions | 20:10 | |
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