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rbasako/15:00
rbasakWho's here?15:00
BenCo/15:00
rbasakWhile we're waiting for quorum, any opinions on my ubuntu-devel SRU uploader permission thread?15:03
BenCIf infinity can’t chair, I’m going to have to pass on chair. I’m also in a work meeting, so stretched for focus.15:03
rbasakOK15:04
rbasakI can chair (if we ever get quorum)15:04
rbasakWhat happened to the action to find more suitable meeting times?15:04
micahghrm, I think I lost the poll (it expired)15:05
BenCI was expecting a list of times we could vote on, but I’m open to moving times.15:05
BenCI think I remember voting on something.15:05
rbasakI think that was micahg's poll.15:06
rbasakWhat's the reason half the DMB seem to always be missing?15:06
micahgnew DMB, new schedules15:06
micahgthese times have basically been the same for 6+ years15:06
BenCI usually have conflicts with conference calls15:06
micahgI occasionally have conflicts with conference calls and other meetings15:07
rbasakcyphermox: are you here?15:08
rbasakWhile we're waiting for quorum, any opinions on my ubuntu-devel SRU uploader permission thread?15:11
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BenCrbasak: What’s the Sibject on that thread?15:14
BenC*Subject15:15
cyphermoxI'm here.15:17
cyphermoxbdmurray sends his apologies15:17
rbasakBenC: "Unblocking SRU uploader permissions"15:19
rbasakBenC: dated 2 Feb.15:19
BenCThanks, reading over it now.15:21
rbasakOh, we do have four now.15:25
rbasak#startmeeting Developer Membership Board15:25
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rbasak#topic Review of previous action items15:25
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rbasakrbasak to get mapreri's PPU additions done by the TB (done)15:25
rbasakrbasak to address GunnarHj's im-config xenial question on the ML (done)15:25
rbasakrbasak to start a discussion on the ML regarding the possibility of setting up a specialized team with access to upload packages to stable releases only (done)15:25
rbasakSo all done.15:25
mapreriyeah, done \o/15:25
rbasakI see no applications on the agenda, so straight to:15:25
rbasak#topic Outstanding mailing list requests to assign15:26
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rbasakAre there any?15:26
rbasak"Please add xfdashboard to xubuntu packageset"15:26
cyphermoxI can do that15:26
jbichaI believe fossfreedom's application has been waiting for votes for a while15:26
cyphermoxI suppose I'll need to do another refresh of the packageset for Kubuntu today15:27
rbasakThanks!15:27
rbasak#action cyphermox to handle Sean Davis' xfdashboard packageset request15:27
meetingologyACTION: cyphermox to handle Sean Davis' xfdashboard packageset request15:27
rbasak#action cyphermox to refresh Kubuntu packageset15:28
meetingologyACTION: cyphermox to refresh Kubuntu packageset15:28
rbasakLooks like micahg, cyphermox, sil2000 and I have already voted on fossfreedom's request.15:29
micahgyeah, that was addressed in a meeting15:29
rbasakOh, and BenC voted too.15:30
rbasakjbicha: so fossfreedom needs a +1 from one or both of infinity or bdmurray, and neither are here.15:31
rbasakjbicha: everyone else has voted I think.15:31
cyphermoxyeah, I don't remember that there was a mail about that -- the outcome was roughly that we needed to start defining a packageset before people applied to join it15:31
rbasakWell, I prefer to do it the other way round - agree in principle to a yet-to-be-defined packageset, then agree the packageset.15:32
rbasakBut yeah, the packageset does eventually need to be defined.15:32
cyphermoxwell, we can't approve joining something that doesn't exist15:32
micahgit needs to be defined, not created before people can apply, we can defer creation until someone actually applies successfully15:33
cyphermoxso, I would say, having a list of the few budgie-specific packages first would be a good thing15:33
cyphermoxsemantics15:33
rbasakI really don't think this matters.15:33
rbasakAnyway, this can't proceed without a +1 vote from bdmurray or infinity.15:33
cyphermoxthe LP tasks aren't a big deal, but I'm not going to approve a packageset being "whatever X puts in list Y" just like that, until I know that X is a core-dev, at least15:34
rbasakIt would be the DMB.15:34
cyphermoxor that the packages are very clearly within the purview of the list15:34
cyphermoxso how we've always defined packagesets was:15:34
cyphermoxfigure out a phrase that generalizes what goes in it15:34
cyphermoxthen check package against definition, if it fits, add to packageset15:35
rbasakI still don't think this matters.15:35
cyphermoxwhy?15:35
rbasakIt's a bootstrapping problem. Unless fossfreedom gets a +1, even in principle, what the packageset might contain is moot.15:35
rbasakAnd you've already voted.15:36
cyphermoxI'm already +1 for letting him upload some budgie-specific packages15:36
rbasakRight. And he doesn't have enough +1s.15:36
rbasak(AFAICT)15:36
cyphermoxthat's a different problem15:36
rbasakSo let's get bdmurray and infinity to vote.15:36
rbasakUntil then, is there anything further to discuss on this?15:37
cyphermoxI'm certainly not +1 for letting him upload network-manager, for example. are you?15:37
rbasakNo.15:37
rbasakBut the DMB will not put network-manager into any future budgie packageset. I certainly wouldn't vote for that.15:37
cyphermoxwell then, are you +1 for budgie-welcome or whatever that package is?15:37
rbasakSure.15:37
rbasakI mean for the packageset.15:38
cyphermoxnot for fossfreedom uploading?15:38
rbasakNot for fossfreedom I'm afraid, as I voted -1 for him to join any budgie packageset for reasons I've given.15:38
cyphermoxI don't recall the reasons15:38
rbasakhttps://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-12-12-19.03.log.html15:38
rbasakIs there anything further to discuss on this topic right now?15:40
rbasakIf not let's move on.15:40
cyphermoxno15:40
rbasakI don't see anything else outstanding on the ML. Dave Chiluk's vote appears to be progressing.15:41
rbasak#topic Any other business15:41
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rbasakI'd like feedback on my ML thread about SRU uploaders please.15:41
rbasakNobody on the DMB has replied.15:42
rbasakBased on the other replies so far, I'm in favour of having a new class of uploader - SRU uploaders, who can upload anything to the queues in stable releases. It seems that LP will support this. They'll still get a review from ~ubuntu-sru of course.15:43
rbasakBut I have no idea what anyone else on the DMB thinks.15:43
rbasakPlease tell me.15:43
chilukI think our team would appreciate the intermediary positition for sure.15:48
chilukAnd thanks to those who've already voted.15:48
chilukrbasak.  I don't see a vote from you.  We could finish the vote now assuming you are a +1 on that.15:50
chilukit'd be nice to put that to rest.15:50
rbasakI'll need to review, but I don't remember being confident about voting +1 for core dev. That's why I'd like to resolve the SRU uploader question.15:51
chilukI realize you are probably wanting to grant sru-uploader .15:51
rbasakRight15:51
sil2100Sorry for being late, I always seem to think the meeting is an hour later...15:51
chilukthat's fine. I won't hold it against you.15:51
rbasakI'd also like to know what other DMB members think about what a core dev should mean.15:51
micahgsil2100: in another few weeks it will be ;)15:51
rbasakAnyone? Or are you all reading/thinking?15:55
micahgrbasak: I think I'm in the same boat as you15:56
rbasakOK, thanks.15:56
rbasakcyphermox? sil2100? BenC? Opinions?15:56
micahg(waiting to see outcome of SRU uploader discussion)15:57
rbasakOh15:57
rbasakWell...what do you think about the SRU uploader discussion? :)15:57
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cyphermoxrbasak: I think it's fine, but it "adds" work to the SRU team (more careful review, but then again, you always need to be carefully reviewing the packages). You're in that team though, so you already know about it15:58
micahgI'm a bit conflicted, it's a novel idea for sure, I'm struggling with if it'll really solve an issue and if it's a direction we want to drive upload rights15:58
cyphermox(that means I'm +1)15:58
* sil2100 needs to get some context, one moment15:59
micahgand I was worried about extra burden on SRU team as cyphermox mentioned15:59
rbasakcyphermox: thanks. Yeah, I'm always carefully reviewing anyway, and I think we should only give this to people we trust can do SRUs correctly (and well).15:59
rbasakI don't think we need uploaders to understand things like development release proposed migration and merges.16:00
rbasakcyphermox: so I don't think there's really anything we have to worry about with respect to the quality of uploads that the SRU team will see. Any concern about that for an individual and I'd be -1 to give that person SRU uploader permissions.16:01
cyphermoxwell, they need to understand proposed migration to a degree anyway16:01
rbasakI'm only looking to remove requirements that clearly don't apply to SRUs, but do to core devs, to get people uploading SRUs sooner.16:02
rbasakIf, in your judgement of the requirements that are left, a candidate doesn't meet them, then I'd encourage you to vote -1 for SRU uploader anyway.16:03
cyphermoxyeah yeah16:03
sil2100I'm +0 on the SRU-uploaders team16:15
sil2100Since even though I think in some cases it might be useful, I'm not sure that it's worth the trouble of getting it done, since I don't know if we'd have a lot of people applying for such a team membership16:16
sil2100Although I must say I d o not know how much work is required to get it implemented16:16
slashdsil2100, there will at least ~10 ppl from my team that would be willing to apply for this16:16
chiluksil2100: we have about 20 on my team that would be interested16:16
slashdyeah16:17
slashd20 sorry16:17
tinoco=)16:17
rbasakIf it works, I believe it is just a matter of an LP team and an ACL entry by the TB.16:17
rbasakNo more work than a new packageset.16:17
tinocoall of them following discussion16:17
chilukslashd: cloudy folks need to do sru's as well.16:17
slashdchiluk, yep16:17
sil2100hm, ok, so there is need for that then, but you must remember that getting upload rights for that team will be similar to what we give to core-devs, so anyway possibly those people could have applied for core-dev as well16:18
rbasakBenC?16:18
chiluksil2100: which is exactly what I did.16:18
tinocosil2100: we wouldn't be touching devel16:19
tinocorbasak: right ?16:19
rbasaktinoco: right. You'd still need a sponsor for devel.16:19
chiluktinoco in most cases.16:19
BenCI would be +1 in theory, but I’m +/-0 at this point.16:19
tinocowhich raises question .. we would start SRU (upload) without sponsor for devel ?16:19
rbasakWhich is often a prerequisite for an SRU. However, I hope that it'll help speed things up (one sponsor needed once, rather than multiple times as stuff gets developed)16:19
micahganother unanswered question is whether or not we grant membership to this team, I would suggest not to keep the bar for entry lower.  However, it seems the SRU team might be flooded with requests.  Has that team grown sufficiently to handle such an influx of uploads?16:19
sil2100Yeah, just stable, but stable has even a bigger emphasis on good uploads, so uploaders need to have the knowledge - yes, there's the additional step of ubuntu-sru doing reviews of the uploads before accepting, but still16:20
BenCI’m personally more geared toward an SRU role for the STS team and we would vote on who, from that team could fill that role to unblock the team.16:20
chilukmicahg: it would be no more than current.16:20
rbasakAlso I think it'll provide a nice stepping stone.16:20
BenCThey would promote their best candidate16:20
rbasakmicahg: I'm not sure the SRU numbers would go up. STS will still drive the same number of (Canonical) customer requests. My intention is to reduce the latency.16:21
rbasakmicahg: but if the SRU numbers did go up, then I'd expect Canonical to put more into ~ubuntu-sru. Right now the majority of ~ubuntu-sru work is handled by Canonical staff anyway.16:21
chilukcorrect rbasak... numbers should stay about the same.  Maybe slightly higher by allowing us more time to work instead of harass uploaders16:21
rbasakmicahg: I recently joined ~ubuntu-sru to alleviate the load, as has sil2100 - and we're both sponsored by Canonical to do this.16:22
chilukrbasak..becoming a member of ubuntu-sru has been one of my stated goals all along.16:22
sil2100Anyway, I'm fine with any outcome16:22
rbasakThank you everyone for your opinions.16:24
rbasakI'll propose to add an ~ubuntu-sru-uploaders team then. I'll respond to the mailing list.16:24
rbasakAnd we can discuss it there, and vote for it either on the list or at the next meeting.16:25
rbasakI think we'd need a quorate vote.16:25
rbasakAny other AOB?16:25
rbasakOK, thanks all!16:31
rbasak#endmeeting16:31
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meetingologyMeeting ended Mon Feb 13 16:31:32 2017 UTC.16:31
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tyhickshello16:31
tyhicks#startmeeting16:31
meetingologyMeeting started Mon Feb 13 16:31:57 2017 UTC.  The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.16:31
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slashdthanks rbasak for leading the discussion about the sru-upload, we appreciated it16:32
tyhicksThe meeting agenda can be found at:16:32
tyhicks[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting16:32
tyhicks[TOPIC] Announcements16:32
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tyhicksJames Page (jamespage) provided a debdiff for xenial for nova-lxd (LP: #1656847)16:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1656847 in nova-lxd (Ubuntu Zesty) "neutron security group rules not applied to nova-lxd containers" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165684716:32
tyhicksJeremy Bicha (jbicha) provided debdiffs for yakkety for bubblewrap and flatpak (LP: #1657357)16:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1657357 in flatpak (Ubuntu) "bubblewrap escape via TIOCSTI ioctl" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165735716:32
tyhicksJeremy Bicha (jbicha) worked to remove jasper from zesty (LP: #1612835)16:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1612835 in kopete (Ubuntu) "Please remove jasper from Zesty" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/161283516:32
tyhicksThank you for your assistance in keeping Ubuntu users secure! :)16:32
tyhicks[TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report16:32
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tyhicksjdstrand: you're up16:32
jdstrandhi!16:33
jdstrandlast week my dev work got preempted by lots and lots of reviews (store, documentation, Personal and other snapd PRs, snap-confine PRs) and helping with the snap-confine system vs core snap out-of-syncness issue on classic16:33
jdstrandtoday, I'm catching up on store reviews, various mailing list and bug discussions from friday/weekend16:33
jdstrandthis week, I plan to continue with various PR and design reviews/discussions as I'm assigned to them. I know I already need to look at the gsettings patches, console access, 'notion of trust' in snappy, misc snap-confine PRs and lots of Personal PRs (unity8 policy, thumbnailer, media-hub, et al)16:33
jdstrandassuming I can get to my non-review assigned dev work after, I plan to work on the next batch of miscellaneous policy updates and continue with more seccomp arg filtering policy16:33
jdstrand(quite a bit of the seccomp arg filtering policy I pushed up landed already)16:34
jdstrandthat's it from me16:34
jdstrandmdeslaur: you're up16:34
mdeslaurI'm on triage this week16:35
mdeslaurI was about to publish a webkit2gtk update, but the new version has a regression16:35
mdeslaurI'm still working on php5 updates, should be publishing that this week16:35
mdeslaurafter that, I'll be going down the list, as usual16:35
mdeslaursbeattie: you're up16:35
tyhicksI'll go and we can circle back16:39
tyhicksI'm in the happy place this week16:39
tyhicksfinish testing and submit seccomp logging kernel patchset v316:39
tyhickscheck on AppArmor Zesty upload (blocked by a perl upload)16:39
tyhicksassist in landing the dconf/gsettings mediation16:39
tyhickstcpdump updates (bug #1662177)16:40
ubottubug 1662177 in tcpdump (Ubuntu) "tcpdump multiple CVEs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/166217716:40
tyhicksthat's it for me16:40
tyhicksjjohansen: you're up16:40
tyhicksoh, short week for me16:40
tyhicksI'm out tomorrow16:40
jjohansenI'm finishing up the apparmor policy notification interface, and making any other revisions to the dconf work that might pop up16:41
jjohansenonce that is done I'll be back to upstreaming work, the next merge window is coming all too fast16:41
jjohansenoh hrmm and it goes with out saying that revising the dconf/gsettings work is part of landing it16:42
jjohansenwhich I'll be helping with16:42
tyhicksI think that'll be a full week16:43
jjohansenyep16:43
tyhicksI haven't seen sarnold yet16:43
tyhickshe's working on MIRs16:43
tyhickschrisccoulson: you're up16:43
jjohansenyeah, I was just checking16:43
sarnold(here)16:43
tyhicksoh, go ahead16:43
sarnoldI'm community this week16:44
chrisccoulsonThis week, I'll be spending some more time getting rustc working everywhere16:44
sarnoldwhatever's not spent on community tasks will be MIRs :)16:44
chrisccoulsonMozilla just bumped the minimum rustc version required to build firefox to 1.15.1, which is newer than we have in zesty, which is totally awesome16:44
chrisccoulsonoh16:44
sarnoldow16:44
tyhicks:(16:44
chrisccoulsonsarnold, carry on :)16:44
sarnoldI'm done :/16:45
chrisccoulsonah, cool16:45
sarnoldbecause waiting a dozen hours for a toolchain before starting work on the browser sounds like such fun :(16:45
chrisccoulsonso, other than that, I'll be finishing off bug 1638852, and then a few other cleanups required to make the new UITK webview stable16:45
ubottubug 1638852 in Oxide "Add touch selection handles and quick menu to UbuntuWebView" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163885216:45
chrisccoulsonThat's me done16:45
ratliffI'm on bug triage this week.16:45
ratliffI am working on updates for core and touch otherwise16:46
ratliffsbeattie: around? if not, back to you tyhicks16:46
tyhickslets move on16:47
tyhicks[TOPIC] Highlighted packages16:47
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tyhicksThe Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.16:47
tyhicksSee https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.16:47
tyhickshttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/pinpoint.html16:47
tyhickshttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/gcc-4.9.html16:47
tyhickshttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libcsoap.html16:47
tyhicks[TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions16:47
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tyhickshttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/gpw.html16:47
tyhicksDoes anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?16:47
tyhickshttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libxml-security-java.html16:47
tyhicksjdstrand, mdeslaur, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson, ratliff: Thanks!16:49
tyhicks#endmeeting16:49
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meetingologyMeeting ended Mon Feb 13 16:49:39 2017 UTC.16:49
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jjohansenthanks tyhicks16:49
ratliffthank you, tyhicks !!16:49
mdeslaurthanks tyhicks!16:49
sarnoldthanks tyhicks!16:50
jdstrandthanks tyhicks :)16:50
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