[00:37] <drpresident> i need some help with nexus 4 mako
[00:37] <drpresident> ive been trying to get ubuntu touch on it for a couple days now, and cant get past the ubuntu recovery.
[00:37] <drpresident> after running ubuntu-device-flash, it installs, restarts to recovery, but quits when it doesnt see my device in recovery mode, then my device boots back to android.
[00:38] <drpresident> I think the main problem is my computer not recognizing the phone when its in recovery mode, but I cant figure out how to fix it
[00:41] <drpresident> i would love any suggestions, im running out of ideas
[00:43] <dobey> drpresident: flash android 4.4 stock, boot to android, reboot to bootloader, and then do ubuntu-device-flash with --bootstrap; my guess is you have newer android installed, and there's a conflict between what ubuntu needs and what you have
[00:44] <drpresident> ok ill give that a try, but I believe ive tried with both 4.4 and 4.2
[00:45] <drpresident> is 4.4 the optimal version for installing ubuntu?
[00:45] <dobey> 4.4 is what the ubuntu image is based on
[00:45] <drpresident> alright thanks
[00:48] <drpresident> does it make sense that having the wrong android version would allow it to boot ubuntu recovery, but not be shown wih lsusb?
[00:48] <dobey> not sure why that would be
[00:49] <drpresident> yeah cant get it to show on debian, ubuntu, or windows 7
[00:49] <drpresident> so after i flash ubuntu, it quits after "waiting for device to enter recovery"
[01:01] <dobey> maybe try different usb port or cable too
[01:10] <dobey> anyway, i need to go
[01:10] <dobey> good luck
[01:14] <drpresident> alright thanks for the help!
[13:01] <daker> dobey: hi you are right about the push notification stuff, not sure why but the app was installed using the IDE, but once launched inside the phone using the IDE, i got the token and the notification was sent to the phone
[14:16] <dobey> daker: cool. not sure why the apparmor was messing up before
[14:17] <daker> dobey: i guess it's the IDE
[19:10] <studio_> hi all
[19:11] <studio_> hmm, is ubuntu-touch dead meat? so, why?
[19:12] <studio_> i am confused about that ...
[19:13] <studio_> didn't the developers hear about the users problems?
[19:14] <studio_> come on bots, what was the problem?
[19:14] <studio_> ;)
[19:15] <studio_> sil2100, onother bot left the room ...
[19:16] <studio_> how many bots are still there?
[19:18] <studio_> dobey, orga_,popey are your still here ?
[19:19] <dobey> no
[19:19] <studio_> lol :)
[19:19] <studio_> comon, is the "project" dead?
[19:19] <dobey> no
[19:20] <studio_> new devices - new ubuntu touch?
[19:20] <dobey> that's not a sentence
[19:20] <studio_> so what is the sentence?
[19:21] <dobey> i can't read your mind. i don't know what you're trying to ask. please formulate a question as a grammatically valid sentence
[19:22] <studio_> I try to ask, are all old ubuntu-touch devices eol = dead?
[19:22] <dobey> canonical/ubuntu does not make devices though. manufacturers decide when new devices will happen, not us
[19:22] <dobey> was there some announcement that said those devices are now EOL?
[19:24] <studio_> canonical need a new kernel, for exp. for the bq e4.5 - here is a new kernel: https://github.com/Pablito2020/alps_kernel_bq_krillin
[19:25] <studio_> so where is the problem for a new ubuntu-touch version for the bq e4.5?
[19:27] <dobey> it is impossible to have any amount of reasonable discussion with you
[19:27] <genii> BQ is the one who makes releases for the Aquarius line, not Canonical
[19:28] <dobey> the e4.5 is quite old, the fact it hasn't been EOLed already, and has been getting updates, is a better record than most all android devices
[19:32] <dobey> but no, it's not likely that the e4.5 will get a major update to a 16.04 snappy based image.
[19:33] <studio_> genii, so why nobody is helping this private person? he released a new linageos https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6w8rvoi1nudc1VJOFA2d3BOZGs
[19:33] <dobey> it's a very old device at this point
[19:33] <studio_> with a new kernel
[19:33] <dobey> ask him; this channel isn't about "linageos"
[19:34] <dobey> or lineageos
[19:34] <studio_> ehm, but canonical allways tells, it needs a new kernel for the bq e4.5/e5.0 ...
[19:35] <dobey> no
[19:36] <dobey> i'm pretty sure the claim is that a newer kernel and arm64 are going to be necessary for officially supported snappy core based images for phones/tablets
[19:37] <studio_> no? so new os, core/snappy is still running on the bg e4.5/e5.0?
[19:37] <dobey> please stop running in circles
[19:38] <studio_> circle? there is no wiki about that on ubuntu ...
[19:39] <dobey> yes. you asked a question and had it answered. and then you try to ask the same question in a different way. and you keep doing it. it's part of the reason you got banned numerous times before.
[19:40] <studio_> dobey, where id i ever asked about running bq e4.5/e5.0 with snappy/core, are you kidding???
[19:41] <dobey> *sigh*
[19:41] <studio_> yeah :(
[19:45] <studio_> hope your investor is willing to pay you without any ssuccess ... you'll never find a better job ...
[19:45] <studio_> :(
[19:47] <k1l_> studio_: what about you stop insulting the users and developers. that doesnt help but only gets you banned again. we had this too often with you already
[19:50] <studio_> k1l_, ich würde gerne helfen. aber man will sich hier nicht helfen lassen. Da kannst Du mosern wie du möchtest, das letzte OS ist halt für das BQ E4.5: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6w8rvoi1nudc1VJOFA2d3BOZGs und das hat halt einen neuen Kernel!
[19:51] <dobey> use english please
[19:51] <studio_> new kernel for BQ E4.5  https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6w8rvoi1nudc1VJOFA2d3BOZGs
[19:51] <studio_> :)
[19:51] <k1l_> studio_: you are not helping when you insult others or putting them under pressure.
[19:51] <dobey> no it is not
[19:52] <dobey> kernels for bq devices come from bq, not from zip files on random google drive shares
[19:52] <studio_> dobey, no , why not?
[19:52] <dobey> if you want to download random kernels and run them on your device, that's up to you. that is not how retail support chains work, however
[19:53] <studio_> dobey, what kernel is the bq E4.5/E5.0 using for ubuntu touch?
[19:53] <popey> ~3.4
[19:53] <studio_> so thats old!
[19:53] <dobey> the ubuntu images for krillin/vegeta are 3.4 from the android 4.4 tree for those devices
[19:53] <dobey> yes, they are old phones
[19:54] <studio_> did you checked the git?
[19:54] <dobey> so your goal isn't to help, but to come in here and harass developers
[19:55] <studio_> dobey, how to port the "krillin" for a new kernel?
[19:55] <dobey> and again, you are ignoring what was said earlier
[19:56] <dobey> https://github.com/bq is where bq publishes their git repositories
[19:56] <dobey> not "Pablito2020"
[19:56] <dobey> e4.5/e5 are also not arm64
[19:57] <studio_> so the flash-tool understood the new kernel?
[19:57] <dobey> ubuntu-device-flash doesn't understand any kernels
[19:57] <dobey> it doesn't care about kernels
[19:58] <studio_> so it is not "uesefull"
[19:58] <dobey> *sigh*
[19:58] <studio_> yeah :(
[20:01] <studio_> so why ubuntu-device-flash isn't updated to the last kernel for the bq e4.5/e5.0?
[20:02] <dobey> because you aren't running your own system-image server with custom built images to your liking
[20:02] <studio_> what?
[20:04] <studio_> what is the latest image with the the latest kernel? plz what channel?
[20:04] <popey> rc-proposed, and will be 3.4
[20:04] <studio_> 3.4 is old, again!
[20:04] <dobey> as it has been for the past 2.5 years
[20:05] <popey> you asked the same question
[20:05] <popey> you got the same answer
[20:05] <dobey> so is the bq e4.5
[20:05] <dobey> it is old.
[20:05] <popey> if you want different answers, ask different questions
[20:05] <dobey> and not a different question that leads to the same answer
[20:05] <studio_> popey, did you ever made an update to your E4.5/E5.0 on Android?
[20:06] <popey> I never ran android on any bq device
[20:06] <studio_> try it!
[20:06] <popey> No thank you.
[20:06] <dobey> this is not #android
[20:07] <studio_> so where is the problem with the bq e4.5/e5.0 and snappy?
[20:07] <dobey> that was already answered
[20:07] <studio_> where?
[20:08] <dobey> numerous places, but in here, about 30 minutes ago
[20:10] <studio_> dobey, could you please so kindly to repeat your answer: why isn't the bq e4.5/e5.0 working with smappy?
[20:10] <studio_> snappy
[20:10] <dobey> no. you can read the scrollback
[20:11] <studio_> thanks that you have no answer for that
[20:12] <studio_> so ubuntu-touch is dead meat?
[20:12] <k1l_> studio_: stop that
[20:12] <dobey> no
[20:13] <studio_> k1l_, böser onkel, ich frag doch nur ...
[20:13] <k1l_> studio_: with your aggressive method you will not make anyone ship a more recent kernel for the aquaris devices.
[20:13] <dobey> android isn't dead because the galaxy nexus no longer gets updates
[20:13] <k1l_> studio_: no, you are annoying and insulting
[20:14] <dobey> studio_: the official language of this channel is english. if you want to rant in german, please go to a german channel.
[20:14] <studio_> k1l_, ich bin nich aggresiv, wie du schreibst, nur interessiert ...
[20:15] <k1l_> studio_: no, you are not "just interested". you are anooing and aggressiv. you are that way since years now. and that way is not helping. you should have seen that alreday.
[20:15] <dobey> i'm not sure what's worse. trying to talk to republicans, or studio_.
[20:18] <studio_> dobey, is there a german channel for ubuntu-touch - i don't think so, because the germans don't like to be pranked ...
[20:19] <dobey> k1l_: can we just ban him again perhaps? this is getting old.
[20:20] <dobey> thanks
[20:20] <k1l_> np
[20:21] <k1l_> i still cant believe that he thinks this is helpfull in any way.
[20:22] <davmor2> k1l_: I think that sentence is 6 words too long
[20:23] <dobey> it seems to me that the problem is rather that he does not
[20:25] <dobey> (think)
[21:01] <daker> dobey: any idea about the push notification helper ? the notification is delivered to the server, but the helper is failing https://paste.ubuntu.com/23990849/
[21:01] <dobey> daker: the halper has to print JSON to stdout. that error suggests stoud is empty
[21:02] <dobey> s/stoud/stdout/
[21:02] <daker> dobey: yeah i am using the helper from the doc
[21:03] <daker> i'll try to do a print inside the helper to see something get printed
[21:03] <dobey> daker: ok, well i'm not sure beyond that, but it looks to me like the error there is enough to point you in the right direction
[21:04] <dobey> daker: you can just cat an example json of a push message from the server, into your helper, on console, and see what happens, too
[21:05] <dobey> iirc, the "API" there is read in from stdin, and print to stdout
[21:20] <daker> dobey: not sure how to do that, even adding some print function doesn't output anything
[21:20] <dobey> daker: cat example.json | my-push-helper
[21:20] <dobey> i would think anyway
[21:21] <dobey> daker: are you trying to build an app that supports push notifications that you intend to ship as a snap, btw?
[21:22] <daker> well i am intending to add push notifications for the phone bu the app works on desktop too, so i'll ship it as snap too
[21:23] <daker> dobey: znc -> push server -> phone
[21:24] <dobey> daker: ok, push notifications do not work at all for snaps yet. i'm not sure what all changes exactly will be necessary to get it working there, but there will definitely be changes, likely incompatible with clicks
[21:25] <daker> dobey: i see, well since the app is stopped once in the background, the irc connection is dropped
[21:26] <daker> the irc app supports znc, so you can znc running once get a message you'll get a push notification which will let you launch the app
[21:31] <dobey> daker: sure, i understand why you want it
[21:31] <dobey> daker: i was just pointing out what the situation is :)
[21:36] <OerHeks> Fairphone 2 looks much better .. http://imgur.com/r/Ubuntu/XM6ip9n
[21:42] <daker> dobey: yes :)
[21:46] <dobey> daker: anyway, that's about the limit of my understanding with push helpers, right now :)
[21:50] <daker> dobey: thanks, one more question, do you know any json database in qml ? The localstorage(SQLite) is really slow
[21:53] <dobey> daker: there are qml bindings for u1db
[21:53] <daker> i am looking at maz-db but since an not qt expert i am waiting for DanChapman to add a .pro for qmake
[21:53] <dobey> which is also sqlite, but might be a little faster
[21:55] <daker> yeah i'll try to give test it