[00:00] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: you forget that the islands are not part of the EU (or won't be much longer, I forget whether they're not part ever or are part via Britain who are now leaving)
[00:01] <daftykins> never been in, newp
[00:01] <diddledan> yummy late night pot noodle brewing
[00:02] <daftykins> i just ate some very green chicke dish from M&S
[00:02] <daftykins> *chicken
[00:02] <daftykins> lotsa spinach and something else
[00:03] <diddledan> probably that something else was chicken judging by the title?
[00:03] <daftykins> nah there was other green stuff but i don't even know...
[00:07] <diddledan> snot?
[00:07] <m0nkey_> sniz
[00:07] <diddledan> snizn't
[00:07] <daftykins> i'd love to find out but the packet is downstairs in the kitchen
[00:07] <daftykins> :>
[00:22] <diddledan> why would an oven need an nVidia Tegra K1 CPU?! (it's an IoT oven - watching "This Week In Google" where Leo LaPorte complains about his oven being stuck in a bootloop and needing to reset it using the Android Bootloader)
[00:23] <daftykins> XD
[00:23] <daftykins> perhaps it can't take the heat...
[00:23] <diddledan> I get that an IoT oven would need a cpu, but why a graphics powerhouse?!
[00:24] <diddledan> of course I'm ignoring the question of why you'd want an IoT oven in the first place
[00:24] <daftykins> are you trying to say you don't game on your oven? madness, sir
[00:24] <zmoylan-pi> to speed up the cooking process?
[00:26] <daftykins> http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra-k1-processor.html
[00:26] <daftykins> not really all that
[01:09] <diddledan> california has been having wack weather: https://twitter.com/ProComKelly/status/830946060579328001
[01:11] <daftykins> daym
[01:11] <daftykins> i find it funny how media places are just there asking for them
[08:34] <diplo> Morning all
[08:36] <SuperMatt> good morning
[09:08] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:18] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:31] <andylockran> heya brobostigon
[09:32] <brobostigon> hi andylockran
[09:32] <andylockran> Guys - I'm looking to get some training booked in for colleagues; specifically around open source licensing.  I want it to cover commercial aspects, rather than be too legal-specific.  Any recommendations?
[10:03] <SuperMatt> I've never heard of any such training
[10:04] <SuperMatt> https://choosealicense.com/
[10:05] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Monday, and happy Clean Out Your Computer Day! 😃
[10:05] <SuperMatt> I hoovered my computer a couple of weekends ago
[10:05] <JamesTait> Oh, an eager beaver!
[10:08] <SuperMatt> I'm no beaver! I lack the tail :(
[10:09] <JamesTait> Did your vacuum cleaner also rid your computer of unswanted files?
[10:09] <SuperMatt> no, it didn't
[10:09] <JamesTait> *unwanted
[10:10] <JamesTait> Then embrace the day, and de-lint with reckless abandon (or care, if you prefer)!
[10:15]  * zmoylan-pi remebers the time my boss at the time took an ancient very very dusty cpm computer to garage to use their hoover to clean the motherboard... never worked again
[10:18] <zmoylan-pi> or the time i was given a pc that lived it's life in a taxi drivers cubby (waiting room, for calls to come in before mobile phones or radio). they all chain smoked and the pc was brown and tacky to the touch from tar in the air.  the fan on cpu had jammed... for some reason...
[10:20] <zmoylan-pi> or the dust bunny that when i turned the pc upside down fell onto the desk in exact shape of the empty space of the pc not taken up by pc components..
[10:21] <SuperMatt> yeeesh
[10:21] <zmoylan-pi> or the pc in a metal engineering workshop that kept blowing power supplies from metal dust in the air till we put pi in a pair of tights to keep it out.
[10:22] <SuperMatt> christ
[10:22] <zmoylan-pi> or the pc delivered after been in a shop beside river that flooded that was a mass of slime and rust when it got to me
[10:23] <zmoylan-pi> ...and people wonder why my tool box has a barge pole... :-P
[10:51] <andylockran> SuperMatt: yeah, it's a bit wishful thinking. To most of the guys in the engineering team it's old new.
[10:51] <andylockran> new*
[10:52] <andylockran> but the balance of how IP is donated to the OSS community versus IP back in is interesting when trying to align commercial models.
[10:58] <popey> I used to work for BMW, and had to install updates to the IBM PS/2 in the service centre. On more than one occasion we took the floppy dirves out, put them on the floor of the service centre and blew the crap out with a tyre air line. Was fun chasing it round the garage :)
[10:59] <andylockran> That does sound fun.
[11:02] <zmoylan-pi> could be a sport almost... :-)
[11:03] <popey> it did almost fly off under a toolchest on one occasion.
[11:03] <popey> we learned to put a foot on the drive
[11:04] <popey> then you get a shoe covered in dust :)
[11:04] <popey> Those IBM PS/2s were great pieces of kit.
[11:06] <zmoylan-pi> pricey... ugly... indestructible... :-)
[11:11] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: like your nokia?
[11:11] <zmoylan-pi> not quite nokia indestructible but close...
[15:41] <Laney> just found out that the train back from our wee march break in north wales is going to be a 2 hour rail replacement bus
[15:41] <Laney> :(
[15:42] <foobarry> whaa
[15:42] <Laney> http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/gbp-50m-north-wales-railway-upgrade-project-underway#
[15:43] <Laney> normally the train from conwy to chester would be 46 minutes
[15:44] <foobarry> 2hrs for 50metres, sounds legit
[15:44] <Laney> bah I say!
[16:32] <diddledan> what happens when an 18 year-old buys a mainframe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45X4VP8CGtk
[16:35] <diplo_> that the one in the basement ?
[16:35] <davmor2> diddledan: does he become a sysadmin?
[16:36] <popey> its quite funny
[16:36] <popey> when he's trying to crowbar it into his house
[16:37] <popey> *parents house
[16:38] <diplo_> Think I read about that on reddit a while ago, he did a AMA
[16:40] <diddledan> he's a good speaker
[16:41] <diplo_> Anyone use Ansible? I know I've asked before with little response :)
[17:08] <Azelphur> Don't suppose anyone is interested in some offsite backup space, me and my friends club together and rent a server at hetzner with lots of drives and share out the space, costs me €53.45/mo and we have 8TB usable space, so the tl;dr is €6.69/TB + 1GB RAM KVM VPS.
[18:37] <ali1234> Azelphur: already got one :)
[20:21] <Azelphur> ali1234: hehe, you doing the same as me? hetzner serverbidding?
[20:21] <ali1234> no, we just have a fixed package
[20:22] <ali1234> not sure which one
[20:22] <Azelphur> ah
[20:24] <Azelphur> I didn't do bad, spend a little while watching serverbidding, nabbed a server with 7 x 1.5TB drives, i7 950 and 12GB RAM, drives are RAID5 which leaves us with 8.1TB usable space, reserve 100GB and 4GB RAM for the host, leaves us with 8TB and 8GB RAM to share out
[20:24] <ali1234> i dont think what we have corresponds to any existing package
[20:25] <Azelphur> oh, and it costs me €53.45
[20:25] <ali1234> that's basically what all their dedicated servers cost
[20:27] <ali1234> its not really worth trying to resell it imo
[20:28] <Azelphur> well it is for me, I wanted 2TB backup space, which costs like €50/mo from other providers anyway
[20:28] <Azelphur> seems well worth it to share it out
[20:28] <diddledan> they're dead cheap when you compare them with an equivalent "cloud" vm-ish
[20:28] <Azelphur> indeed
[20:29] <ali1234> you have to ask what your time is worth
[20:29] <ali1234> if you have to spend an hour per month making sure that your customers VPS are working correctly, then you are losing money
[20:42] <Azelphur> ali1234: good point I suppose, but for the most part once people are setup it tends to just go smoothly
[20:42] <Azelphur> if someone requires too much time I wouldn't put up with it, they aren't my customers, just people clubbing in with me
[22:48] <diddledan> daftykins:  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/83oTcmCK/
[22:49] <daftykins> wow i just this second connected
[22:49] <diddledan> lol
[22:49] <diddledan> good timing :-)
[22:49] <daftykins> this a confirmed victim or a diagnosis?
[22:49] <diddledan> diagnosis.
[22:49] <diddledan> specifically because:  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/6KFvEkdI/
[22:50] <daftykins> that is one insaaaaaaane load/unload count
[22:50] <diddledan> it's a WD greenie
[22:50] <daftykins> figures :D
[22:50] <daftykins> second one is an extended/long SMART test?
[22:51] <diddledan> those things cycle a lot because they think that HDD failure is cheaper than the power to keep em running
[22:51] <diddledan> yup
[22:51] <diddledan> I got an alert from freenas
[22:51] <daftykins> XD yeah silly power management etc
[22:51] <diddledan> I need to replace that particular disk anyway
[22:51] <diddledan> being greenie means it's sucky for NAS use
[22:52] <diddledan> I'm gonna eventually plop a nice red in instead
[22:53] <daftykins> *nod* what's the other?
[22:53] <diddledan> got three other reds in there
[22:53] <diddledan> 4 total
[22:53] <daftykins> ah right, RAID5 or?
[22:53] <diddledan> the greenie was a relic
[22:53] <diddledan> :-p
[22:53] <diddledan> raid 10
[22:53] <daftykins> nice
[22:54] <daftykins> so is the FreeNAS factor stopping you using most tools etc, hence the quirky screenies?
[22:54] <daftykins> (vs. pastebin)
[22:54] <diddledan> I did pairs of mirrors because it's easier to expand a freenas zfs pool with that layout
[22:54] <diddledan> I could prolly pastebin
[22:55] <diddledan> pasted https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/vsM2DAFw/
[22:55] <daftykins> ah well, from there i'd slap that drive in a normal desktop and do some more prodding ideally - not sure if you cba though
[22:56] <diddledan> not sure it'ld be worth it
[22:56] <daftykins> i think i'd treat it to a customary zero fill to see what she'll do
[22:56] <diddledan> I guess. might give it a shot
[22:57] <daftykins> it is mostly just wasting time but at least you can see how dead it is then
[22:59] <daftykins> very last 3 lines of the paste are an eyebrow raiser...
[22:59] <daftykins> 2 COM resets and 683,000 'vendor specific' :D
[23:01] <diddledan> no idea what that is
[23:01] <daftykins> nah, lot of them though
[23:01] <daftykins> it's in the SATA error table anyway