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rbasak#startmeeting ubuntu-server-team16:00
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rharpersupposedly rbasak was16:00
rharperand it is so16:00
rharpero/16:00
rbasak#topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting16:00
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rbasakI see no actions.16:00
rbasak#info No actions from previous meeting.16:00
rbasak#topic Development Release16:00
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rbasak#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-z-server-core16:00
rbasakThe blueprint is looking pretty good now I think.16:00
jgrimmindeed16:01
rbasakShall we go through the outstanding items?16:01
rbasakcaribou: "Add secureboot support for kdump-tools : INPROGRESS"16:01
rbasakIs that needed before feature freeze?16:01
rbasaksquid3 merge: INPROGRESS16:02
rbasakThis is done.16:02
rbasak(and landed)16:02
jgrimmnice16:02
rbasaknacc: python-django merge (LP: #1605278): INPROGRESS16:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1605278 in python-django (Ubuntu Zesty) "Merge python-django 1:1.10.3 from Debian unstable" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160527816:02
rbasaknacc: also apache2 merge (LP: #1663425): INPROGRESS16:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1663425 in libapache2-mod-perl2 (Ubuntu) "Please merge with 2.4.25-3 from Debian unstable" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/166342516:02
jgrimmi can give status on django16:03
rbasakjgrimm: iproute2 merge (LP: #1659039): INPROGRESS - this is at MP stage I think? In my backlog to look that up.16:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1659039 in iproute2 (Ubuntu) "iproute2 catch up with upstream" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165903916:03
rbasakjgrimm: also nspr merge: INPROGRESS16:03
rbasakIs that the same?16:03
jgrimmno16:03
rbasakI think I also need to look at caribou's nut merge.16:03
jgrimmwrt django, nacc has PPA and has been in holding pattern for maas to figure test/work with it16:04
naccapache2 is uploaded, just stuck in proposed, it's tied to the openldap merge16:04
jgrimmmaas team said they'd look at it tod16:04
jgrimmtoday even16:04
jgrimmi'll let nacc talk, ping me and i'll give my status on the above16:05
smosero/16:05
rbasaknacc: how's the openldap merge going?16:05
naccalso uploaded, also stucck in proposed16:07
naccautopkgtest regressions, not all due to openldap16:07
naccz-p is kind of a mess right now16:07
cpaelzerack on that16:07
naccworking with debian maintainers of some pkgs to figure them out16:07
rbasakOK. For FF we can at least focus on getting stuff into proposed.16:07
nacclooks like we also have an ada regression in z-p :/16:07
rbasakWhat's not in proposed but needs to be?16:07
naccrbasak: nothing on my side16:07
naccthat i know of (other than my curtin changes...)16:08
cpaelzerhow about the discussion on postgres-9.6 that has to go OUT of proposed for this cycle?16:08
rbasakMy Firefox has hung trying to load the excuses page :-/16:08
* rbasak now can't see the agenda.16:08
jgrimmrbasak, wrt to nspr -> its blocked on the dogtag-pki/tomcat failures like a half a dozen other packages16:08
jgrimmbut its in proposed16:09
nacccpaelzer: we can presumably leave it in -proposed, right? it just won't migrate unti 17.0416:09
naccs/17.04/17.10/16:09
rbasakI see we have a ton of MIRs blocked.16:09
jgrimmpython-boto also merged and in proposed, but failing autopkgtests (but those failures have been around before my merge) something to still sort out16:09
cpaelzernacc: we can leve it, but there are dependent builds and none of them will migtrate16:09
cpaelzernacc: I can't decide if that is ok as well16:09
rbasak#info Various feature freeze sensitive uploads are stuck in proposed.16:09
cpaelzernacc: that is why I assumed it might be required to drop it there16:10
rbasak#info Various things are blocked on MIRs that are pending review.16:10
rbasakjgrimm: do you have a list of your assigned items that aren't in proposed yet?16:10
rbasakjgrimm: I see iproute2, nspr (for which you've answered), openvpn16:11
cpaelzerI would like to discuss shortly on the MIRs once we are over the "in proposed" topic16:11
jgrimmiproute is the only one not merged, but there is MR awaiting your review16:11
rbasakcpaelzer: ack16:11
rbasakOK16:11
jgrimmand openvpn which is in nacc's review queue16:11
rbasak#action rbasak to review jgrimm's iproute2 MR16:11
meetingologyACTION: rbasak to review jgrimm's iproute2 MR16:11
rbasak#action nacc to review jgrimm's openvpn MR16:11
meetingologyACTION: nacc to review jgrimm's openvpn MR16:11
jgrimmthank you16:12
nacccpaelzer: yeah, we should review what all hits it16:12
nacccpaelzer: we'll need an AA to help if so (and to blacklist it for now, iiuc)16:12
rbasakIt looks like memcached is merged?16:12
cpaelzernacc: ack16:12
jgrimmrbasak, i think sitting in excuses tho. :/16:12
rbasakmemcached has made it to the release pocket.16:13
jgrimmoh yay! that's new to me16:13
rbasakI'll update the blueprint (later) to note what is in proposed, so we know.16:14
powersjrbasak: can you add etckeeper to your list of MR to review?16:14
jgrimmrbasak, i plan to review server packages today for anything new (or missed) that needs handled16:14
rbasakGreat, thanks.16:14
naccrbasak: feel free to reassign some of those to me16:14
rbasak#action rbasak to review caribou's nut merge16:14
meetingologyACTION: rbasak to review caribou's nut merge16:14
rbasak#action rbasak to review powersj's etckeeper merge16:15
meetingologyACTION: rbasak to review powersj's etckeeper merge16:15
powersjthx16:15
rbasak#action jgrimm to review server packages for anything new (or missed) that needs merging16:15
meetingologyACTION: jgrimm to review server packages for anything new (or missed) that needs merging16:15
jgrimmthanks!16:15
rbasakjgrimm: also python-boto?16:15
nacci'm going to spend some time today trawling -proposed as well, trying to get a story for as mucch that is stuck as possible16:16
rbasakAnd nginx.16:16
naccteward: --^16:16
rbasakteward: how's the nginx merge going?16:16
jgrimmrbasak, in -proposed, autopkgtest failure  <- nacc if interested16:16
rbasaknacc: thanks16:16
rbasakOK16:16
nacci believe teward was working on it yestreday, but also has other priorities right now (school)16:16
rbasakThat's everything I see on the blueprint that is FF-critical.16:16
nacc(per ubuntu-server IRC yeserday)16:16
rbasakOK16:17
cpaelzerMIRs ?16:17
rbasak#subtopic Pending MIRs16:17
cpaelzerI just checked iotop & nicstat is actually DONE16:17
cpaelzerare16:17
powersjyeah just need to be added to seed though I believe16:17
cpaelzerbut htop and python-elftools wait on security review.16:17
cpaelzerFor the latter I unblocked DPDK by keeping the delta that drops the dependency to a suggest - Debian was so kind to accept that now16:17
rbasakGreat, thanks!16:17
rbasak#info iotop and nicstat are done16:17
rbasak#info htop and python-elftools wait on security review16:17
rbasakTo get sssd merged I dropped the "secrets service" due to a component mismatch, and left a work item there.16:18
jgrimmrbasak: powersj will need some help with seeding iotop & nicstat16:18
rbasakThat's also blocked on a MIR. I don't know whether to drop that in after FF, or next cycle.16:18
rbasakIt seems relatively safe since it'll be a new feature.16:19
rbasak#action rbasak to look at seeding iotop & nicstat with powersj16:19
meetingologyACTION: rbasak to look at seeding iotop & nicstat with powersj16:19
jgrimmthanks16:19
rbasakAnything else on MIRs?16:19
rbasak#info sssd is missing the "secrets service", a new feature resulting in a component mismatch. This may be able to land in an FFe, or next cycle.16:19
rbasak#subtopic Active work that may need wider communication16:20
rbasakAnything to mention? Seems we're all busy with merges.16:20
rbasak#info None16:20
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rbasak#topic Server & Cloud Bugs & SRU/Pending Uploads (caribou)16:21
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tewardshoot i'm late16:21
teward(we'll catch up on nginx at "AOB")16:21
rbasakteward: sure, thanks.16:21
rbasakcaribou: around?16:21
rbasakLet's circle back if caribou appears16:21
rbasak#topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (powersj)16:21
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rbasakpowersj: o/16:21
powersjLast week was very productive curtin/cloud-init sprint. Got some new testing going and running for curtin and learned to do merges with jgrimm.16:21
powersjThis week working on ISO testing and getting some zesty tests (raid1, lvm, multi-lvm) going again. Completed some overdue bug triage and will be picking up bugs for the release. Finally, some work on the KVM backend for cloud-init integration testing.16:22
powersjquestions? comments?16:22
rbasakThanks! Any questions for powersj?16:22
jgrimmthanks!16:22
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rbasakI keep doing that!16:22
rbasak#topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee)16:22
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Guest15776Right now, nothing new to report kernel-wise. Side note that the bundle of xen-libvirt-qemu for zesty did finally move out of proposed yesterday. Are there questions?16:23
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jgrimmgreat!16:23
rbasakThanks smb!16:23
rbasak#info Nothing new to report kernel-wise16:23
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rbasak#info The bundle of xen-libvirt-qemu for zesty did finally move out of proposed yesterday.16:23
rbasak#topic Ubuntu Server Team Events16:24
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rbasakAnything worth mentioning?16:24
rbasak#info None of note.16:24
rbasak#topic Development Release16:24
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rbasak#subtopic nginx16:24
rbasakteward: o/16:24
tewardHello again!16:24
tewardFirstly, nginx 1.10.3 (not a merge) was uploaded a couple days ago16:25
tewarddue to some pretty evil/nasty HTTP/2 things that got fixed16:25
teward(SRUs pending review for Xenial and Yakkety, also)16:25
rbasakGreat. Thanks for that!16:25
tewardas for the merge, I'm working on it, but it's not as easy as a straight merge16:25
tewardbasically, rebuilding the delta we added for 14.04 into pure-Debian packages.16:25
rbasakteward: how do you feel this is going in relation to feature freeze?16:25
tewardrbasak: when's feature freeze again?16:26
nacctwo days away, iirc16:26
rbasakThursday.16:26
nacc(16.2.17)16:26
tewardrbasak: unlikely, at this rate, given the time it took to fix the evils of the fPIE/fPIC thing16:26
rbasakteward: do you feel an FFe is appropriate? Or should we skip to next cycle?16:26
tewardand that *still* crops up in the updated 3rd-party modules somehow, working on fixing that (I think it's Ubuntu-specific)16:26
tewardrbasak: FFe would probably be appropriate, I'd like to get dynamic module support in16:27
rbasak#info nginx 1.10.3 (not a merge) was uploaded a couple days ago, due to some pretty evil/nasty HTTP/2 things that got fixed16:27
tewardrbasak: I'll have a build-test of the merge probably by EOD tomorrow (which is 22:00 UTC-5)16:27
rbasak#info A merge is more involved that usual; we think an FFe may be appropriate to get dynamic module support in16:28
rbasak#info We hope to have a build-test of the merge probably by EOD tomorrow (22:00 UTC-5)16:28
tewardif that doesn't blow up in my face, it'll get a few reviews by me to compare against existing deltas, and then made available.  Though, the Release team and archive admins will have to move some things to Main16:28
tewardand some to Universe16:28
rbasakteward: great. Thanks! If we have a candidate ready, I think that'll give the release team more confidence in granting an FFe, so that's very helpful./16:28
teward(since some dynamic modules are in nginx-core)16:28
rbasakteward: thank you for the update, and as ever for all your work on this.16:29
tewardrbasak: half the work is done, NGINX PPAs confirm that some of the things work fine, the existing 'merge' delta is introducing something maybe and breaking things, working on that tomorrow (today's a busyiish day)16:29
tewardrbasak: no problem.16:29
tewardOH tidbit for triagers and team members:16:29
rbasakAnything else on nginx?16:29
tewardhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/NGINX now exists16:29
tewarddetails some things about nginx, and special bug triage cases16:29
powersj^^ +116:29
tewardpowersj got a note about it directly, then I went ahead and documented special Triage cases for bugs and how to handle those types of bug reports.16:30
jgrimmteward, very nice!16:30
rbasak#info see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/NGINX for packaging details and bug triaging information on the nginx package in Ubuntu16:30
rbasakI really like that page. We should have one for every package :-)16:30
tewardThere's a corresponding link in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Triage to the special-case for the nginx package, so it's general knowledge for bug squad as well.16:30
tewardoutside of those special cases, triage as normal.16:30
jgrimmcpaelzer, something like that would be nice for qemu and include git repo and special handling etc16:30
rbasakGood job linking the wiki together!16:30
teward</end, goes to absorb massive quantities of caffeine>16:31
tewardrbasak: thank you!16:31
rbasakThanks teward!16:31
cpaelzerjgrimm: I actually have that on the migration types already, will extend to general handling - good idea16:31
rbasakcaribou: are you in now?16:31
rbasakI guess not, so...16:31
rbasak#topic Open Discussion16:31
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rbasakAOB?16:31
jgrimmcpaelzer, excellent!16:31
jgrimmworth mentioning that 16.04.2 is late..targetting this thursday now16:32
rbasak#info 16.04.2 is late..targetting this thursday now16:32
rbasakMentioned! :-)16:32
jgrimm:)16:32
tewardrbasak: only if we can add things to the lxc tools, I wrote a custom bootstrapper and a "shut off *and* destroy" wrapper script around existing functions.  I got annoyed at `lxc-destroy` not stopping a container, and `lxc-create` being annoying to bootstrap a server in userspace.16:32
tewards/bootstrap/customize and configure/16:32
rbasakteward: I don't think there's any plan to change the old lxc command interfaces now.16:33
tewardstill in development, but usable :p16:33
tewardindeed.16:33
rbasakteward: but lxd does that with "lxc delete -f <name>"16:33
tewardrbasak: LXD wouldn't work on my 16.04 system... not sure why.16:33
tewardjust saying, still investigating.16:33
tewardnow i'm done :)16:33
rbasakOK16:33
rbasak#topic Announce next meeting date, time and chair16:33
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rbasakrharper: will you be available to chair next week?16:33
rharpersure16:33
rbasakGreat. Thanks!16:33
tewardrbasak: I won't be at next meeting unfortunately16:34
tewardtravel16:34
cpaelzerthanks rbasak for leading this so controlled16:34
rbasak#info The next meeting will be at Tue 21 Feb 16:00:00 UTC 2017. rharper will chair.16:34
tewardfeel free to email me for a status update by Friday evening16:34
rbasakteward: ack.16:34
tewardanyone may do that ^16:34
rbasak#endmeeting16:34
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meetingologyMeeting ended Tue Feb 14 16:34:27 2017 UTC.16:34
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-02-14-16.00.moin.txt16:34
tewardso it's on the meeting agenda about nginx by *someone*16:34
jgrimmteward, thanks16:34
jgrimmrbasak, thanks for chairing!16:34
rbasakAnd...the minutes are at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-02-14-16.00.html16:34
tewardyou're most welcome.  sorry i haven't been as active as of late, busy busy BUSY16:34
rbasakAll done :-P16:34
powersjrbasak: +1 on doing the meeting like this16:35
tewardalso agree, +1, this is far nicer16:35
tewardand prevents us having to do transcription heh16:35
rbasakThanks.16:35
jgrimmyes, transcribing is pita16:35
tewardwho was going to follow up on Apache HTTP/2, by the way?16:36
tewardjust curious16:36
* nacc probably16:36
naccin the 17.10 window16:36
rbasakteward: https://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/mod_http2.html still says it's experimental upstream.16:36
tewardrbasak: it is.16:36
teward[2017-02-13 18:07:58] <teward> just checking whether that's still the case or not.16:36
teward[2017-02-13 18:08:01] <teward> (for Apache)16:36
teward[2017-02-13 18:14:00] <sarnold> teward: I think we're waiting on apache to declare it's no longer experimental16:36
rbasakteward: so I'm not sure it's appropriate to do anything further right now.16:36
teward^ I was curious so I asked Security about that16:36
tewardrbasak: I only was asking so the whiteboard on the blueprint could be updated accordingly16:36
teward:)16:37
rbasakFair enough.16:37
naccteward: ack, i'll update it today16:37
tewardI only care that NGINX has HTTP/2, and that its bugs are steamrolled :)16:37
nacc:)16:39
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