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esmermuhhello guys00:36
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chcknrubWe live, we die. But Truth never changes. God is always good. God is Love.01:25
mparilloAnd He belongs (if at all) in #kubuntu-offtopic01:26
koleygrlol01:26
sintrei can't trouble shoot religous issues lol01:30
sintrestill workin on myself :)01:31
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poco_hey guys any idea why my Kubuntu 16.04 Plasma 5.8.5 is reverting back to the stock wallpapers upon every reboot?05:14
poco_would there be a log anywhere on this?05:14
claycornhmm let me think05:16
claycornyou dont mind changing the wall paper with slideshow instead of image05:17
poco_as in I should set my background as a slideshow you're saying?05:18
claycornyes do that im running 14.0405:18
poco_I guess I'd have to create a new folder with one image as it only allows you to add folders that way05:19
claycornyou dont have a picture folder?05:21
poco_I do but then it cycles through the pictures. I don't see a way to stop it from cycling05:22
claycornhow long have yo been running 14.04?05:22
poco_I'm running 16.0405:22
poco_I recently did a clean install, so only a day or two right now05:22
claycornoh no wonder takes a few days or more to learn the beast05:23
poco_??05:23
claycornbeen running 14.04 for 5 years05:24
poco_ok, but I don't get why my desktop background is reverting itself. Never had an issue in the past05:24
claycornfirst things first is to install important programs  first05:24
sintrepoco are you updating thru backports ?05:25
poco_yeah just tried the backports05:25
poco_I'm thinking that has something to do with it05:25
sintrei use 16.04 on my to lapps05:26
sintrebut i knowalot of people use 14 as it has better duel monitor support05:26
sintreif you do't need that ok with a lil upgrade?05:26
claycorni agree i used duel on this laptop05:26
claycornwhat are backports ?05:27
claycorn:P05:27
sintresudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports05:27
sintrenewer software for oldwr versions of kubuntu best i can come up with05:28
sintre:)05:28
sintreor ubuntu actually05:28
sintredarin welcome to convo05:29
sintre:)05:29
sintrei need a better explaination on what backports are05:30
sintre!backports05:30
ubottuIf new updated packages are built for an application, they may go into Kubuntu Backports, which is one of the official Kubuntu PPAs. See https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/PPAs for more information.05:30
DarinMillerHi sintre05:30
sintreok bot is better than me lol05:31
DarinMillerbackports are updates that are not allowed in the main repos since they were release after Cananical beta deadlines.05:32
sintreclaycom i hope that answers your question05:33
sintreclaycorn i'm sry05:34
sintrelaptop screen05:34
DarinMillerBackports have not received as extensive testing for cross-package compatility. Occasionally a package or 2 may break with a backports update.05:35
DarinMillerHowever, quite often backports fix many more issues than they break.05:36
sintreok i  jusr ewlazed we're trying to talk to somebody left05:37
sintrejust noticed omg sry darin05:37
DarinMillerIronically, older and sometime "more broke"n packages are sometimes release in the main repos because of the deadlines, so never assume that the main repos are perfect.05:37
poco_thanks sintre05:37
sintrenp poco_05:37
sintrei just assume poeople who left just got disconeccted and will be back05:39
sintrenot always the case05:39
sintrehmm think website could be updated or the page05:40
sintresudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade -y     sudo apt full-upgrade works05:41
sintreis the -y command usefull for anything05:41
sintreor just kind left over from a apt of the past05:42
DarinMillerthe -y avoids the yes/no prompt. that prompts the user if updates are available.05:44
sintrelike saying yes bedfore hand05:45
sintreinteresting05:46
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DarinMilleryes05:46
sintredid you see the bug report me and wxl made last couple days?05:46
sintrehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/166444005:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1664440 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity doesn't offer auto-resize option with GPT partition table containing Windows and Ubuntu installs" [Undecided,New]05:47
sintrebad news seems nobody cares , good news i'm loged and registered to make them now05:47
DarinMillerYes. I was going to attempt to test on my UEFI hw, but I have tried it yet....05:47
sintrehopefully somebody will atleast repoduce it05:47
DarinMillerI will test it now...05:48
DarinMillermy uefi laptop hates 16.04 boot drives unless I use nomodeset in the boot parameters.05:51
sintrelol my battlle with uefi is never ending05:51
sintrewxl showed up with more help than i could imagine we included every read out possible05:52
sintreshoert of my personal cell phone # lol05:52
sintrei think we just need to get it confirmed so maybe it will get attention05:53
DarinMillerYes, he was recommending some stuff that I never tried with failed installs.05:53
DarinMillerGuided - resize install working just fine here with UEFI.05:55
sintredoes it give resize option05:56
DarinMilleryes05:56
sintreok now back to square one05:56
sintreno clue at this point05:56
DarinMillerI check my other laptop as reference.  Just a sec...05:56
sintrei sent a bunch of scrfreens05:57
sintreproving this lil problems yessterday05:57
sintreis the 16.04 updated05:58
DarinMillerdo you have links to the screenshots?05:58
sintrenot anymore would be in logs used that site ignur05:58
sintreor whatever its called05:58
sintrewin 10 duel with updated 16.0405:59
sintreon disk trying to install 16.04.205:59
DarinMillerI will check those just see what you saw.... testing 2nd laptop now...05:59
sintrethis is where problem with live installer is from05:59
sintrei'm getting other lapt top out as well to give you a live feed lol06:00
DarinMillerKDE still has super small font defaults making hidpi installs challenging....06:02
DarinMillerWorking fine on 2nd UEFI laptop too.06:03
DarinMillerWhat brand and version of bios do you have and is it current?06:04
sintreother lappy booted06:04
sintreone sec gotta take a call06:05
DarinMillerI was blown away earlier tonight. My desktop went to sleep while I was vpn'd into work.  After dinner, I woke my desktop and vpn connection persisted and remmina was stil connected to my remote session.06:08
DarinMillerWindow screen lock was active, but I logged right back in to window as if nothing had happened.06:09
DarinMillerbrb, time to test UEFI on my desktop...06:10
sintretestthis pc is in the other room06:10
sintretestohh great06:10
sintrewb other system live and online atm06:11
sintrewhat is that url to that pix post pastebin thing06:12
sintrehttp://imgur.com/06:12
sintrenm fouhnd it it going to other pc06:12
* DarinMiller can never remember the imgur link.... bookmarking for future reference....06:14
sintretestk first one coming06:14
sintretesthttp://imgur.com/a/Up7G706:16
DarinMiller3rd UEIF system tested here.  All had  resize option. Lenovo and Dell laptops,ASUS mb in the desktop.06:17
DarinMillerWhat's on the next install screen?06:17
sintretestcoing on second06:18
sintretesthttp://imgur.com/a/ldSts06:18
sintretestand that is where we are06:19
sintretestno resize option for me :(06:19
DarinMillerthat is absolutely crazy!06:20
sintretestno crap06:20
sintretesthttp://imgur.com/a/bi4F306:21
sintretestlast post in real time so you no i'm serious lol06:21
DarinMillerDid you say that's GPT partition type?06:21
sintretestyes gtp file table on drive06:22
sintretestwxl thinks it may have something to do with it06:22
sintretesthe put it in bug report06:23
sintretestbrb going to other pc06:23
sintredidn't know there were different "tyes" of gtp partions06:24
sintrewhoole drive06:24
DarinMillerI have 7 partitions on one of my laptops that I just tested and it's GPT also.  So that rules out partition count... Do you have a spare HD you can toss in that machine to see if it HD depedent?06:24
sintreno this laptop require almost full disesmbly to acess hdd06:25
DarinMillerNo GPT vs traditonal mbr is what I was referencing.06:25
sintrethats efi vs reg06:26
sintrei can do it with an external drive06:26
DarinMillerWhat about an external usb HD?06:26
DarinMiller:)06:26
sintrebut not sure if thats gonna get us anyware06:26
sintreyea i can do that06:27
sintrelet me  go dsig that out and reinstall this iso06:27
DarinMillerI am just curious if winders did something funny with the boot partition confusing the install sw.  I have had to use dd to write to mbr section of drives because they would not accept any  repartitoning commands.06:28
sintrefound it gotta wipe it to install this iso06:28
DarinMillerAfter writing/stomping on the boot partition, the partition managers worked perfectly.06:29
sintreactually to prevent problems  gonna need you help we probally should dd to this external drive06:29
DarinMillerno need to wipe it,06:30
sintreif it works on this external then i'll retest on flash drive06:30
sintrei gotta write the new iso to it06:30
sintreor gota commands handy for me06:30
DarinMilleras long as you don't proceed past the disk setup screen, the drive will not be touched.06:31
sintreits not the same release06:31
sintrethis drive and set up boots the new pc if thats what you wanted to know06:31
DarinMillerFeel free to install to external if you want, I am just curious how your PC sees a different drive.06:32
sintreso just plug it in is what you want?06:32
sintrei already have the same install from before on this external06:33
DarinMillerplug in the external drive, boot to live boot usb drive and see what the  Drive setup screen presents as install options.06:33
sintrebput it in closet lol06:33
sintreok06:33
sintrewell reconise external06:35
sintregonna reboot to make sure06:35
sintrehttp://imgur.com/06:35
DarinMillerwait06:36
DarinMillerduh,  just restart the install since you06:36
DarinMillerare already booted to the live disk.06:37
DarinMillerNow that I think about it, I think your drive must be refenced by the bios at boot (but I can't remember for sure)...06:38
sintredoesn't work lol confuses computer two live usb drives06:38
sintreone is just alot bigger than the other06:38
DarinMilleryour boot screen does not give you  the choice of which device to boot?06:38
sintrethe one we're testing is 16.04.206:38
sintrenope06:39
DarinMilleryour bios should list the bootable devices and allow you to select which one you want to boot.06:39
sintrewell it does with one time boot menu06:39
sintrecd nic lan ect06:39
sintrebut no option between the two usb kubuntu installs06:39
sintrethen defaults to grub loader06:39
DarinMillerSo, 2 ways to boot (usually).06:40
sintrewhich isn't much help either06:40
DarinMiller1) Edit bios and select primary boot device.06:40
DarinMiller2) Press special boot key (F12 on Dell for me or dedicated tiny boot key on Lenovo)06:40
sintrei kinda found a problem , though , seems on my system the newer iso on usb stick will NOT boot or be reconised if plugged into the usb 2.006:41
sintreonly the 3.0 port06:41
sintrei have threee two usb 2.0 one and one usb 3.006:41
DarinMillerthat's bizarre too.06:41
sintreso this is wied quirk to remember06:41
sintreyes dell system aint what they used to be06:42
DarinMillerwhat model?06:42
DarinMillerand is your BIOS updated?06:43
sintrei'm looking06:43
sintreat site to try to give you a link06:43
DarinMillersometimes on a sticker on the backside in tiny print....06:43
sintrelook at that screen shot from before tells processor06:44
sintremy cpu i guess is dated now sinse october06:44
sintrehttp://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/inspiron-15-3567-laptop06:44
sintreita been updated with a ssd and another 4 gig stick sinse06:45
sintresomewhere between cheapest model and expensive one06:46
DarinMillerOK, is your bios version 1.3.0?06:46
DarinMillerhttp://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/product-support/product/inspiron-15-3567-laptop/drivers06:46
DarinMillerare you currently booted to a live session?06:48
sintreactually i'm just gonna freak log into dell acount to figure this one out lol06:48
sintrecheck pc i belieave its 356006:48
DarinMillerif linux is booted, run: sudo lshw > hw.txt06:49
sintreInspiron 15 3000 Series (Intel(R)) - 355806:49
DarinMillerOpen that file and your model should be near the top.06:49
sintrejust had a comommon sense attack , had invoice still in email box06:50
DarinMillerThen search that file for BIOS06:50
DarinMiller:)06:50
DarinMillerOK, BIOS verion should be A12.06:51
DarinMillerhttp://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/product-support/product/inspiron-15-3558-laptop/drivers06:51
sintregonna look06:51
sintrehttp://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/inspiron-15-3558-laptop/fndcc105sb?oc=fndcc105sb&l=en&s=dhs06:51
sintrebasic link06:51
sintrebvios currently a0906:53
sintreok another headache , but needed one i guess06:53
sintrei've run out of flash drives06:53
DarinMillerLOL06:53
sintrescrew it i'll start win crap 1006:54
sintrei did a clean install of win 1006:55
sintreso no idiot tooks onboard06:56
sintregotta search for file now06:56
sintreook anooying pc demands to much ll07:05
sintreits updating07:05
DarinMillerLOL07:06
sintreits to good to update witghout it being plugged in and all07:06
sintreso made me run around house again07:06
sintreao9 to ao12 now07:07
sintreletting it autoboot primary installbefore testing flash again07:07
DarinMillerWhen you restart the laptop, the POST screen tell you  what keys to push to enter BIOS?07:07
DarinMillerGood idea...07:08
DarinMillerdoes the POST screen ^^^07:08
sintref207:08
sintreto go to firmware f12 to get directly to onetime bootmenu07:09
sintretesterjust testing internet after irmware upgrade07:10
DarinMillergood idea07:10
sintretesterseem all is good07:10
sintretestergonna reboot to flash drive07:10
DarinMillerwith your external plugged in and bootable usb plugged, does hitting the f12 key give you the choice of boot devices?07:11
DarinMillerf12 during the POST that is....07:11
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sintretestk booted off of flash07:16
sintretesttime to try installer again07:16
DarinMillerok, getting ready to head to bed but I am curiously awaiting what your Disk Setup screen says...07:17
sintrehttp://imgur.com/07:19
sintreon sec for the life of me i can't remembe that off top of my head lol07:19
DarinMiller:)07:20
sintretesthttp://imgur.com/a/UbKKJ07:21
sintretestwell i wish i could say that did it07:21
sintretestbut back to square one again , but we can elimate old firmware now tleast07:21
DarinMillerI am suspecting the boot partition.  Was it created with windows or Linux?07:22
sintretestwindows , installed linux afterwards which intalled the loader07:23
sintretestentir disk clean from begining07:23
DarinMillerAnd you  did shut down windows yes?07:23
DarinMillerhttp://windowsten.info/tutorials/5767-how-to-fully-shut-down-windows-1007:23
sintretestnever seen anything like tht07:24
sintretestbut a unsecure efi atm07:24
DarinMillerI would be a beverage that the windows was "hybrid" shutdown and thus has locked the drive.07:25
sintretesti don' use secure boot it nooyed me07:25
DarinMillers/be/bet07:25
sintretestwell windows behind me back as installed multple buils if i leave it on long enough07:25
sintretestbut sinse the linux bootloaer is controlling things how is windows running?07:26
DarinMillerBoot into windows and shutdown the laptop with that method.  It's not running, but windows left files open for faster boot, so the drive condidtion is "tainted".07:27
DarinMillerThat's why Linux won't touch it.07:27
DarinMillerIs it live booted?07:27
DarinMillerif so, open partitiion manager07:28
sintretestyes it is alive usb stick07:28
DarinMillerThen try to manually resize the partition.  I bet it will tell you to reboot to window to fix the drive state.07:28
DarinMillerbtw, you can queue the partition manager for changes without affecting the drive.  Changes only occur when you hit the apply button.07:29
sintretesthttp://imgur.com/a/vTILm07:30
sintretestnow which partition sjould i try to mess with lol07:30
DarinMillerntfs07:30
DarinMiller:)07:30
DarinMillersd307:31
DarinMillernot the backup partition (sd4)07:32
DarinMilleralso, you can safely and quickly resize partition without causing trouble.07:32
DarinMillerJust be careful not "move" paritions as that takes "forever" even on an SSD.07:33
sintretestjust gonna shrink it  abi07:33
sintretestbit see if that causing anything07:33
DarinMillerthat's fine. It easy to expand when done.07:33
sintretestshrinake take time it seems07:35
sintretestseems stuck at 25%07:35
DarinMillernot sure if you are familiar with this tool.  In resize mode, the bars that show the drive size can be adjusted quickly with the mouse.07:35
sintretesthttp://imgur.com/a/ITbW407:36
sintretesthttp://imgur.com/a/coOvl07:37
DarinMilleron an ssd it should be very fast.  But is the ntfs partition is not properly shut down, you should get a error/warning.07:37
sintretestwell i guess we can rule that one out as well07:37
sintretestyea it just was tuck at 25 then bam 100 done07:37
DarinMillerI am surprised!07:37
sintretestwell you gotta get some sleep07:38
sintretestwe ruled out firmware now and also window interfereance 'kinda'07:38
DarinMillerOK, me to. Talk to you later today/tomorrow or whatever you want to call it.07:38
DarinMillerI will still give the windows full shut down a whirl.07:39
sintretesthehe have a good sleep thx for help  on this ish we could of nailed it but then again we know how our troubleshooting adventurs go07:39
DarinMiller:)07:39
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user|65489Hi guys, I hope you are a having a wonderful day! I have a quick question regarding updating to Plasma 5.8.5 - since I have installed Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, and on top of it I installed the KDE Environment,I was wondering if there is any chance of something crashing/failing to work when updating? I mean just because I am not running "genuine" Kubuntu, b10:00
user|65489ut a one installed on top of Ubuntu.10:00
hateballuser|65489: No, it's still the same kernel etc10:07
user|65489Thanks alot!10:07
hateballuser|65489: did you only install kde-desktop, or did you install kubuntu-desktop ? since plasma tends to expect sddm as login manager10:07
hateballso I dunno what broken stuff could come from using lightdm (default Ubuntu) instead of sddm (default Kubuntu)10:08
user|65489I installed kubuntu-desktop10:08
hateballAnd if you let that reconfigure your login manager to SSDM, then I cant think of anything else that would prove a problem10:08
user|65489Great, thanks.10:09
IrcsomeBot<Mostaaaafaaaa> Hi everyone, I have an issue with Kubuntu 16.1 that I recently installed. Sometimes my screen goes black with only one column of yellow pixels on the left. When this happens nothing would work, no keyboard, no mouse, and no tty. If I restart it will be ok until it happens again usually after one day or so. I'm using an Acer Aspire 5820t laptop. I also had Windows 7 in my laptop and it worked without any problems. Can anyone help10:19
hateballhave a look in your Xorg.log and ~/.xsession-errors10:23
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BluesKajHey folks12:16
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himcesjfHey BluesKaj13:41
himcesjfBluesKaj: Do you know how to digitally sign a PDF or a Word document like how Adobe does it?13:41
himcesjfin Kubuntu/linux13:41
BluesKajhimcesjf:  nope, I'm a home user without any experience with linux on the job13:44
hateballhimcesjf: you can do it in libreoffice, but it's a bit of a pain14:01
hateballyou need to import whatever certificate you want to use for signing into firefox, as libreoffice uses that as a backend14:02
himcesjfhateball: I don't have a certificate14:02
himcesjfI know that procedure to do that using libreoffice14:02
himcesjfTrying startssl.com for a certificate14:03
hateballYes, that works14:03
hateballThere's been a bit of fuss surrounding them tho, so... I wouldnt rely on them for mission critical stuff14:05
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swaked#freenode15:33
corsairhello I have a problem with my wifi card.. I was thinking it was a driver problem, because the wifi didn't worked correctly on linux (but it was on win)... I can search and connecto to wireless networks but I cannot navigate on my main network.15:34
corsairif i try to connect to the wifi created by my phone it works perfecly15:35
corsairso I tried to set the regulation for wifi thanks to iw reg set15:35
corsairnormally it's se to US15:35
corsairbut when I change it to 00 or IT15:36
corsairafter a while it goes back to US15:36
corsair:-(15:36
corsairediting  /etc/default/crda does not produce good results15:37
corsairI' mean that it does not solve the issue and regulation became again US15:37
corsairon dmesg i can read cfg80211: Regulatory domain changed to country: US15:38
corsairdo you know how can i fix this?15:38
corsairand make change permanent?15:38
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Fred1234What is the most effective way to install from a USB drive?17:55
Fred1234anyone know how to set up a USB drive to install from?18:00
DragnslcrFred1234- if you have another Linux computer, the easiest way is to just use dd to copy the .iso disc image18:26
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Fred1234Thanks I'll give that a try20:16
howlymowlyhey everybody ... short question:  I get a "hashsum mismatch" on sudo apt update here  just want to know if that error comes from my computer or does anyone else have that issue?20:40
koleygrhowlymowly: http://askubuntu.com/questions/846767/hash-sum-mismatch-error-when-doing-update20:47
howlymowlykoleygr: thx for the link, but the method does not worl :(20:52
howlymowly*work20:52
koleygrhowlymowly: do you have the same error on the update after that commands?20:53
Unit193Could just have him pastebin the errors so we're not guessing.20:54
acheronukhowlymowly: this is with Neon repo, yes?20:54
acheronukhttp://bugs.debian.org/83844120:58
ubottuDebian bug 838441 in apt "apt-get update fails with "Hash Sum mismatch", mixes hashes between tar.gz and tar file" [Important,Fixed]20:58
acheronukNeon are hitting that with their packages on Xenial ^^^20:59
acheronukkubuntu it as well in zesty, but an updated apt fixed it. Neon on Xenial base still need a fix21:00
acheronukkubuntu on Xenial is not affected at the moment21:00
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howlymowlyacheronuk, koleygr,   yes  sorry accidently posted in kubuntu at the beginning21:18
keithzgWell this is unfortunate, I just tried sending an encrypted email for the first time in forever, and KMail immediately crashed :(21:49
keithzgAttempted merely signing one and it crashed as well . . .21:49
Unit193keithzg: You're not on Yakkety, right?21:50
keithzgUnit193: Naw, I'm on Xenial, although I *am* running the Backports PPA21:50
Unit193I mainly ask because that's where the gpg → gpg2 default switched.21:51
keithzgUnit193: Ah, interesting (but yeah, probably not related then)21:56
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keithzgHuh, looks like Kmail may be just screwed up in general, the main view isn't showing anything at all, just empty areas.22:05
Unit193I didn't really drop out on you, I just don't know kmail. :322:08
keithzgUnit193: No worries, and fair enough :)22:09
keithzgHmm, running Kmail via a terminal I see a lot of `Error loading plugin: "The shared library was not found."` messages, although unfortunately no indications *which* plugin(s).22:13
keithzgI tried removing all my accounts and re-adding one IMAP account, and it's been stuck for about an hour now on "Retrieving folders (0%)"23:19
* keithzg really doesn't want to have to use Thunderbird . . .23:19
Unit193keithzg: ...Switch to alpine/mutt. >_>23:23
keithzgUnit193: Heh. We actually do already have alphine running on our mail server, but alpine's support for PGP email is relatively primitive last I checked (only inline, no MIME-based support), and I've never used Mutt.23:40
* keithzg used to use Alpine back in the dial-up days, and until recently also supported by alma matter; they switched to Google Apps a few years back, however.23:41
Unit193keithzg: Ah yes, for that I use the old, unmaintained ez-pine-gpg extension to great success.  One can use the actually supported pine-pgp-filters though, since it supports gpg1 and gpg2.23:42
g1bh4ola, mundo23:56
g1bh4\quit23:57

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