[00:36] <esmermuh> hello guys
[01:25] <chcknrub> We live, we die. But Truth never changes. God is always good. God is Love.
[01:26] <mparillo> And He belongs (if at all) in #kubuntu-offtopic
[01:26] <koleygr> lol
[01:30] <sintre> i can't trouble shoot religous issues lol
[01:31] <sintre> still workin on myself :)
[05:14] <poco_> hey guys any idea why my Kubuntu 16.04 Plasma 5.8.5 is reverting back to the stock wallpapers upon every reboot?
[05:14] <poco_> would there be a log anywhere on this?
[05:16] <claycorn> hmm let me think
[05:17] <claycorn> you dont mind changing the wall paper with slideshow instead of image
[05:18] <poco_> as in I should set my background as a slideshow you're saying?
[05:18] <claycorn> yes do that im running 14.04
[05:19] <poco_> I guess I'd have to create a new folder with one image as it only allows you to add folders that way
[05:21] <claycorn> you dont have a picture folder?
[05:22] <poco_> I do but then it cycles through the pictures. I don't see a way to stop it from cycling
[05:22] <claycorn> how long have yo been running 14.04?
[05:22] <poco_> I'm running 16.04
[05:22] <poco_> I recently did a clean install, so only a day or two right now
[05:23] <claycorn> oh no wonder takes a few days or more to learn the beast
[05:23] <poco_> ??
[05:24] <claycorn> been running 14.04 for 5 years
[05:24] <poco_> ok, but I don't get why my desktop background is reverting itself. Never had an issue in the past
[05:24] <claycorn> first things first is to install important programs  first
[05:25] <sintre> poco are you updating thru backports ?
[05:25] <poco_> yeah just tried the backports
[05:25] <poco_> I'm thinking that has something to do with it
[05:26] <sintre> i use 16.04 on my to lapps
[05:26] <sintre> but i knowalot of people use 14 as it has better duel monitor support
[05:26] <sintre> if you do't need that ok with a lil upgrade?
[05:26] <claycorn> i agree i used duel on this laptop
[05:27] <claycorn> what are backports ?
[05:27] <claycorn> :P
[05:27] <sintre> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[05:28] <sintre> newer software for oldwr versions of kubuntu best i can come up with
[05:28] <sintre> :)
[05:28] <sintre> or ubuntu actually
[05:29] <sintre> darin welcome to convo
[05:29] <sintre> :)
[05:30] <sintre> i need a better explaination on what backports are
[05:30] <sintre> !backports
[05:30] <DarinMiller> Hi sintre
[05:31] <sintre> ok bot is better than me lol
[05:32] <DarinMiller> backports are updates that are not allowed in the main repos since they were release after Cananical beta deadlines.
[05:33] <sintre> claycom i hope that answers your question
[05:34] <sintre> claycorn i'm sry
[05:34] <sintre> laptop screen
[05:35] <DarinMiller> Backports have not received as extensive testing for cross-package compatility. Occasionally a package or 2 may break with a backports update.
[05:36] <DarinMiller> However, quite often backports fix many more issues than they break.
[05:37] <sintre> ok i  jusr ewlazed we're trying to talk to somebody left
[05:37] <sintre> just noticed omg sry darin
[05:37] <DarinMiller> Ironically, older and sometime "more broke"n packages are sometimes release in the main repos because of the deadlines, so never assume that the main repos are perfect.
[05:37] <poco_> thanks sintre
[05:37] <sintre> np poco_
[05:39] <sintre> i just assume poeople who left just got disconeccted and will be back
[05:39] <sintre> not always the case
[05:40] <sintre> hmm think website could be updated or the page
[05:41] <sintre> sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade -y     sudo apt full-upgrade works
[05:41] <sintre> is the -y command usefull for anything
[05:42] <sintre> or just kind left over from a apt of the past
[05:44] <DarinMiller> the -y avoids the yes/no prompt. that prompts the user if updates are available.
[05:45] <sintre> like saying yes bedfore hand
[05:46] <sintre> interesting
[05:46] <DarinMiller> yes
[05:46] <sintre> did you see the bug report me and wxl made last couple days?
[05:47] <sintre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1664440
[05:47] <sintre> bad news seems nobody cares , good news i'm loged and registered to make them now
[05:47] <DarinMiller> Yes. I was going to attempt to test on my UEFI hw, but I have tried it yet....
[05:47] <sintre> hopefully somebody will atleast repoduce it
[05:48] <DarinMiller> I will test it now...
[05:51] <DarinMiller> my uefi laptop hates 16.04 boot drives unless I use nomodeset in the boot parameters.
[05:51] <sintre> lol my battlle with uefi is never ending
[05:52] <sintre> wxl showed up with more help than i could imagine we included every read out possible
[05:52] <sintre> shoert of my personal cell phone # lol
[05:53] <sintre> i think we just need to get it confirmed so maybe it will get attention
[05:53] <DarinMiller> Yes, he was recommending some stuff that I never tried with failed installs.
[05:55] <DarinMiller> Guided - resize install working just fine here with UEFI.
[05:56] <sintre> does it give resize option
[05:56] <DarinMiller> yes
[05:56] <sintre> ok now back to square one
[05:56] <sintre> no clue at this point
[05:56] <DarinMiller> I check my other laptop as reference.  Just a sec...
[05:57] <sintre> i sent a bunch of scrfreens
[05:57] <sintre> proving this lil problems yessterday
[05:58] <sintre> is the 16.04 updated
[05:58] <DarinMiller> do you have links to the screenshots?
[05:58] <sintre> not anymore would be in logs used that site ignur
[05:58] <sintre> or whatever its called
[05:59] <sintre> win 10 duel with updated 16.04
[05:59] <sintre> on disk trying to install 16.04.2
[05:59] <DarinMiller> I will check those just see what you saw.... testing 2nd laptop now...
[05:59] <sintre> this is where problem with live installer is from
[06:00] <sintre> i'm getting other lapt top out as well to give you a live feed lol
[06:02] <DarinMiller> KDE still has super small font defaults making hidpi installs challenging....
[06:03] <DarinMiller> Working fine on 2nd UEFI laptop too.
[06:04] <DarinMiller> What brand and version of bios do you have and is it current?
[06:04] <sintre> other lappy booted
[06:05] <sintre> one sec gotta take a call
[06:08] <DarinMiller> I was blown away earlier tonight. My desktop went to sleep while I was vpn'd into work.  After dinner, I woke my desktop and vpn connection persisted and remmina was stil connected to my remote session.
[06:09] <DarinMiller> Window screen lock was active, but I logged right back in to window as if nothing had happened.
[06:10] <DarinMiller> brb, time to test UEFI on my desktop...
[06:10] <sintretest> this pc is in the other room
[06:10] <sintretest> ohh great
[06:11] <sintre> wb other system live and online atm
[06:12] <sintre> what is that url to that pix post pastebin thing
[06:12] <sintre> http://imgur.com/
[06:12] <sintre> nm fouhnd it it going to other pc
[06:14]  * DarinMiller can never remember the imgur link.... bookmarking for future reference....
[06:14] <sintretest> k first one coming
[06:16] <sintretest> http://imgur.com/a/Up7G7
[06:17] <DarinMiller> 3rd UEIF system tested here.  All had  resize option. Lenovo and Dell laptops,ASUS mb in the desktop.
[06:17] <DarinMiller> What's on the next install screen?
[06:18] <sintretest> coing on second
[06:18] <sintretest> http://imgur.com/a/ldSts
[06:19] <sintretest> and that is where we are
[06:19] <sintretest> no resize option for me :(
[06:20] <DarinMiller> that is absolutely crazy!
[06:20] <sintretest> no crap
[06:21] <sintretest> http://imgur.com/a/bi4F3
[06:21] <sintretest> last post in real time so you no i'm serious lol
[06:21] <DarinMiller> Did you say that's GPT partition type?
[06:22] <sintretest> yes gtp file table on drive
[06:22] <sintretest> wxl thinks it may have something to do with it
[06:23] <sintretest> he put it in bug report
[06:23] <sintretest> brb going to other pc
[06:24] <sintre> didn't know there were different "tyes" of gtp partions
[06:24] <sintre> whoole drive
[06:24] <DarinMiller> I have 7 partitions on one of my laptops that I just tested and it's GPT also.  So that rules out partition count... Do you have a spare HD you can toss in that machine to see if it HD depedent?
[06:25] <sintre> no this laptop require almost full disesmbly to acess hdd
[06:25] <DarinMiller> No GPT vs traditonal mbr is what I was referencing.
[06:26] <sintre> thats efi vs reg
[06:26] <sintre> i can do it with an external drive
[06:26] <DarinMiller> What about an external usb HD?
[06:26] <DarinMiller> :)
[06:26] <sintre> but not sure if thats gonna get us anyware
[06:27] <sintre> yea i can do that
[06:27] <sintre> let me  go dsig that out and reinstall this iso
[06:28] <DarinMiller> I am just curious if winders did something funny with the boot partition confusing the install sw.  I have had to use dd to write to mbr section of drives because they would not accept any  repartitoning commands.
[06:28] <sintre> found it gotta wipe it to install this iso
[06:29] <DarinMiller> After writing/stomping on the boot partition, the partition managers worked perfectly.
[06:29] <sintre> actually to prevent problems  gonna need you help we probally should dd to this external drive
[06:30] <DarinMiller> no need to wipe it,
[06:30] <sintre> if it works on this external then i'll retest on flash drive
[06:30] <sintre> i gotta write the new iso to it
[06:30] <sintre> or gota commands handy for me
[06:31] <DarinMiller> as long as you don't proceed past the disk setup screen, the drive will not be touched.
[06:31] <sintre> its not the same release
[06:31] <sintre> this drive and set up boots the new pc if thats what you wanted to know
[06:32] <DarinMiller> Feel free to install to external if you want, I am just curious how your PC sees a different drive.
[06:32] <sintre> so just plug it in is what you want?
[06:33] <sintre> i already have the same install from before on this external
[06:33] <DarinMiller> plug in the external drive, boot to live boot usb drive and see what the  Drive setup screen presents as install options.
[06:33] <sintre> bput it in closet lol
[06:33] <sintre> ok
[06:35] <sintre> well reconise external
[06:35] <sintre> gonna reboot to make sure
[06:35] <sintre> http://imgur.com/
[06:36] <DarinMiller> wait
[06:36] <DarinMiller> duh,  just restart the install since you
[06:37] <DarinMiller> are already booted to the live disk.
[06:38] <DarinMiller> Now that I think about it, I think your drive must be refenced by the bios at boot (but I can't remember for sure)...
[06:38] <sintre> doesn't work lol confuses computer two live usb drives
[06:38] <sintre> one is just alot bigger than the other
[06:38] <DarinMiller> your boot screen does not give you  the choice of which device to boot?
[06:38] <sintre> the one we're testing is 16.04.2
[06:39] <sintre> nope
[06:39] <DarinMiller> your bios should list the bootable devices and allow you to select which one you want to boot.
[06:39] <sintre> well it does with one time boot menu
[06:39] <sintre> cd nic lan ect
[06:39] <sintre> but no option between the two usb kubuntu installs
[06:39] <sintre> then defaults to grub loader
[06:40] <DarinMiller> So, 2 ways to boot (usually).
[06:40] <sintre> which isn't much help either
[06:40] <DarinMiller> 1) Edit bios and select primary boot device.
[06:40] <DarinMiller> 2) Press special boot key (F12 on Dell for me or dedicated tiny boot key on Lenovo)
[06:41] <sintre> i kinda found a problem , though , seems on my system the newer iso on usb stick will NOT boot or be reconised if plugged into the usb 2.0
[06:41] <sintre> only the 3.0 port
[06:41] <sintre> i have threee two usb 2.0 one and one usb 3.0
[06:41] <DarinMiller> that's bizarre too.
[06:41] <sintre> so this is wied quirk to remember
[06:42] <sintre> yes dell system aint what they used to be
[06:42] <DarinMiller> what model?
[06:43] <DarinMiller> and is your BIOS updated?
[06:43] <sintre> i'm looking
[06:43] <sintre> at site to try to give you a link
[06:43] <DarinMiller> sometimes on a sticker on the backside in tiny print....
[06:44] <sintre> look at that screen shot from before tells processor
[06:44] <sintre> my cpu i guess is dated now sinse october
[06:44] <sintre> http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/inspiron-15-3567-laptop
[06:45] <sintre> ita been updated with a ssd and another 4 gig stick sinse
[06:46] <sintre> somewhere between cheapest model and expensive one
[06:46] <DarinMiller> OK, is your bios version 1.3.0?
[06:46] <DarinMiller> http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/product-support/product/inspiron-15-3567-laptop/drivers
[06:48] <DarinMiller> are you currently booted to a live session?
[06:48] <sintre> actually i'm just gonna freak log into dell acount to figure this one out lol
[06:48] <sintre> check pc i belieave its 3560
[06:49] <DarinMiller> if linux is booted, run: sudo lshw > hw.txt
[06:49] <sintre> Inspiron 15 3000 Series (Intel(R)) - 3558
[06:49] <DarinMiller> Open that file and your model should be near the top.
[06:50] <sintre> just had a comommon sense attack , had invoice still in email box
[06:50] <DarinMiller> Then search that file for BIOS
[06:50] <DarinMiller> :)
[06:51] <DarinMiller> OK, BIOS verion should be A12.
[06:51] <DarinMiller> http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/product-support/product/inspiron-15-3558-laptop/drivers
[06:51] <sintre> gonna look
[06:51] <sintre> http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/inspiron-15-3558-laptop/fndcc105sb?oc=fndcc105sb&l=en&s=dhs
[06:51] <sintre> basic link
[06:53] <sintre> bvios currently a09
[06:53] <sintre> ok another headache , but needed one i guess
[06:53] <sintre> i've run out of flash drives
[06:53] <DarinMiller> LOL
[06:54] <sintre> screw it i'll start win crap 10
[06:55] <sintre> i did a clean install of win 10
[06:56] <sintre> so no idiot tooks onboard
[06:56] <sintre> gotta search for file now
[07:05] <sintre> ook anooying pc demands to much ll
[07:05] <sintre> its updating
[07:06] <DarinMiller> LOL
[07:06] <sintre> its to good to update witghout it being plugged in and all
[07:06] <sintre> so made me run around house again
[07:07] <sintre> ao9 to ao12 now
[07:07] <sintre> letting it autoboot primary installbefore testing flash again
[07:07] <DarinMiller> When you restart the laptop, the POST screen tell you  what keys to push to enter BIOS?
[07:08] <DarinMiller> Good idea...
[07:08] <DarinMiller> does the POST screen ^^^
[07:08] <sintre> f2
[07:09] <sintre> to go to firmware f12 to get directly to onetime bootmenu
[07:10] <sintretester> just testing internet after irmware upgrade
[07:10] <DarinMiller> good idea
[07:10] <sintretester> seem all is good
[07:10] <sintretester> gonna reboot to flash drive
[07:11] <DarinMiller> with your external plugged in and bootable usb plugged, does hitting the f12 key give you the choice of boot devices?
[07:11] <DarinMiller> f12 during the POST that is....
[07:16] <sintretest> k booted off of flash
[07:16] <sintretest> time to try installer again
[07:17] <DarinMiller> ok, getting ready to head to bed but I am curiously awaiting what your Disk Setup screen says...
[07:19] <sintre> http://imgur.com/
[07:19] <sintre> on sec for the life of me i can't remembe that off top of my head lol
[07:20] <DarinMiller> :)
[07:21] <sintretest> http://imgur.com/a/UbKKJ
[07:21] <sintretest> well i wish i could say that did it
[07:21] <sintretest> but back to square one again , but we can elimate old firmware now tleast
[07:22] <DarinMiller> I am suspecting the boot partition.  Was it created with windows or Linux?
[07:23] <sintretest> windows , installed linux afterwards which intalled the loader
[07:23] <sintretest> entir disk clean from begining
[07:23] <DarinMiller> And you  did shut down windows yes?
[07:23] <DarinMiller> http://windowsten.info/tutorials/5767-how-to-fully-shut-down-windows-10
[07:24] <sintretest> never seen anything like tht
[07:24] <sintretest> but a unsecure efi atm
[07:25] <DarinMiller> I would be a beverage that the windows was "hybrid" shutdown and thus has locked the drive.
[07:25] <sintretest> i don' use secure boot it nooyed me
[07:25] <DarinMiller> s/be/bet
[07:25] <sintretest> well windows behind me back as installed multple buils if i leave it on long enough
[07:26] <sintretest> but sinse the linux bootloaer is controlling things how is windows running?
[07:27] <DarinMiller> Boot into windows and shutdown the laptop with that method.  It's not running, but windows left files open for faster boot, so the drive condidtion is "tainted".
[07:27] <DarinMiller> That's why Linux won't touch it.
[07:27] <DarinMiller> Is it live booted?
[07:28] <DarinMiller> if so, open partitiion manager
[07:28] <sintretest> yes it is alive usb stick
[07:28] <DarinMiller> Then try to manually resize the partition.  I bet it will tell you to reboot to window to fix the drive state.
[07:29] <DarinMiller> btw, you can queue the partition manager for changes without affecting the drive.  Changes only occur when you hit the apply button.
[07:30] <sintretest> http://imgur.com/a/vTILm
[07:30] <sintretest> now which partition sjould i try to mess with lol
[07:30] <DarinMiller> ntfs
[07:30] <DarinMiller> :)
[07:31] <DarinMiller> sd3
[07:32] <DarinMiller> not the backup partition (sd4)
[07:32] <DarinMiller> also, you can safely and quickly resize partition without causing trouble.
[07:33] <DarinMiller> Just be careful not "move" paritions as that takes "forever" even on an SSD.
[07:33] <sintretest> just gonna shrink it  abi
[07:33] <sintretest> bit see if that causing anything
[07:33] <DarinMiller> that's fine. It easy to expand when done.
[07:35] <sintretest> shrinake take time it seems
[07:35] <sintretest> seems stuck at 25%
[07:35] <DarinMiller> not sure if you are familiar with this tool.  In resize mode, the bars that show the drive size can be adjusted quickly with the mouse.
[07:36] <sintretest> http://imgur.com/a/ITbW4
[07:37] <sintretest> http://imgur.com/a/coOvl
[07:37] <DarinMiller> on an ssd it should be very fast.  But is the ntfs partition is not properly shut down, you should get a error/warning.
[07:37] <sintretest> well i guess we can rule that one out as well
[07:37] <sintretest> yea it just was tuck at 25 then bam 100 done
[07:37] <DarinMiller> I am surprised!
[07:38] <sintretest> well you gotta get some sleep
[07:38] <sintretest> we ruled out firmware now and also window interfereance 'kinda'
[07:38] <DarinMiller> OK, me to. Talk to you later today/tomorrow or whatever you want to call it.
[07:39] <DarinMiller> I will still give the windows full shut down a whirl.
[07:39] <sintretest> hehe have a good sleep thx for help  on this ish we could of nailed it but then again we know how our troubleshooting adventurs go
[07:39] <DarinMiller> :)
[10:00] <user|65489> Hi guys, I hope you are a having a wonderful day! I have a quick question regarding updating to Plasma 5.8.5 - since I have installed Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, and on top of it I installed the KDE Environment,I was wondering if there is any chance of something crashing/failing to work when updating? I mean just because I am not running "genuine" Kubuntu, b
[10:00] <user|65489> ut a one installed on top of Ubuntu.
[10:07] <hateball> user|65489: No, it's still the same kernel etc
[10:07] <user|65489> Thanks alot!
[10:07] <hateball> user|65489: did you only install kde-desktop, or did you install kubuntu-desktop ? since plasma tends to expect sddm as login manager
[10:08] <hateball> so I dunno what broken stuff could come from using lightdm (default Ubuntu) instead of sddm (default Kubuntu)
[10:08] <user|65489> I installed kubuntu-desktop
[10:08] <hateball> And if you let that reconfigure your login manager to SSDM, then I cant think of anything else that would prove a problem
[10:09] <user|65489> Great, thanks.
 Hi everyone, I have an issue with Kubuntu 16.1 that I recently installed. Sometimes my screen goes black with only one column of yellow pixels on the left. When this happens nothing would work, no keyboard, no mouse, and no tty. If I restart it will be ok until it happens again usually after one day or so. I'm using an Acer Aspire 5820t laptop. I also had Windows 7 in my laptop and it worked without any problems. Can anyone help
[10:23] <hateball> have a look in your Xorg.log and ~/.xsession-errors
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:41] <himcesjf> Hey BluesKaj
[13:41] <himcesjf> BluesKaj: Do you know how to digitally sign a PDF or a Word document like how Adobe does it?
[13:41] <himcesjf> in Kubuntu/linux
[13:44] <BluesKaj> himcesjf:  nope, I'm a home user without any experience with linux on the job
[14:01] <hateball> himcesjf: you can do it in libreoffice, but it's a bit of a pain
[14:02] <hateball> you need to import whatever certificate you want to use for signing into firefox, as libreoffice uses that as a backend
[14:02] <himcesjf> hateball: I don't have a certificate
[14:02] <himcesjf> I know that procedure to do that using libreoffice
[14:03] <himcesjf> Trying startssl.com for a certificate
[14:03] <hateball> Yes, that works
[14:05] <hateball> There's been a bit of fuss surrounding them tho, so... I wouldnt rely on them for mission critical stuff
[15:33] <swaked> #freenode
[15:34] <corsair> hello I have a problem with my wifi card.. I was thinking it was a driver problem, because the wifi didn't worked correctly on linux (but it was on win)... I can search and connecto to wireless networks but I cannot navigate on my main network.
[15:35] <corsair> if i try to connect to the wifi created by my phone it works perfecly
[15:35] <corsair> so I tried to set the regulation for wifi thanks to iw reg set
[15:35] <corsair> normally it's se to US
[15:36] <corsair> but when I change it to 00 or IT
[15:36] <corsair> after a while it goes back to US
[15:36] <corsair> :-(
[15:37] <corsair> editing  /etc/default/crda does not produce good results
[15:37] <corsair> I' mean that it does not solve the issue and regulation became again US
[15:38] <corsair> on dmesg i can read cfg80211: Regulatory domain changed to country: US
[15:38] <corsair> do you know how can i fix this?
[15:38] <corsair> and make change permanent?
[17:55] <Fred1234> What is the most effective way to install from a USB drive?
[18:00] <Fred1234> anyone know how to set up a USB drive to install from?
[18:26] <Dragnslcr> Fred1234- if you have another Linux computer, the easiest way is to just use dd to copy the .iso disc image
[20:16] <Fred1234> Thanks I'll give that a try
[20:40] <howlymowly> hey everybody ... short question:  I get a "hashsum mismatch" on sudo apt update here  just want to know if that error comes from my computer or does anyone else have that issue?
[20:47] <koleygr> howlymowly: http://askubuntu.com/questions/846767/hash-sum-mismatch-error-when-doing-update
[20:52] <howlymowly> koleygr: thx for the link, but the method does not worl :(
[20:52] <howlymowly> *work
[20:53] <koleygr> howlymowly: do you have the same error on the update after that commands?
[20:54] <Unit193> Could just have him pastebin the errors so we're not guessing.
[20:54] <acheronuk> howlymowly: this is with Neon repo, yes?
[20:58] <acheronuk> http://bugs.debian.org/838441
[20:59] <acheronuk> Neon are hitting that with their packages on Xenial ^^^
[21:00] <acheronuk> kubuntu it as well in zesty, but an updated apt fixed it. Neon on Xenial base still need a fix
[21:00] <acheronuk> kubuntu on Xenial is not affected at the moment
[21:18] <howlymowly> acheronuk, koleygr,   yes  sorry accidently posted in kubuntu at the beginning
[21:49] <keithzg> Well this is unfortunate, I just tried sending an encrypted email for the first time in forever, and KMail immediately crashed :(
[21:49] <keithzg> Attempted merely signing one and it crashed as well . . .
[21:50] <Unit193> keithzg: You're not on Yakkety, right?
[21:50] <keithzg> Unit193: Naw, I'm on Xenial, although I *am* running the Backports PPA
[21:51] <Unit193> I mainly ask because that's where the gpg → gpg2 default switched.
[21:56] <keithzg> Unit193: Ah, interesting (but yeah, probably not related then)
[22:05] <keithzg> Huh, looks like Kmail may be just screwed up in general, the main view isn't showing anything at all, just empty areas.
[22:08] <Unit193> I didn't really drop out on you, I just don't know kmail. :3
[22:09] <keithzg> Unit193: No worries, and fair enough :)
[22:13] <keithzg> Hmm, running Kmail via a terminal I see a lot of `Error loading plugin: "The shared library was not found."` messages, although unfortunately no indications *which* plugin(s).
[23:19] <keithzg> I tried removing all my accounts and re-adding one IMAP account, and it's been stuck for about an hour now on "Retrieving folders (0%)"
[23:19]  * keithzg really doesn't want to have to use Thunderbird . . .
[23:23] <Unit193> keithzg: ...Switch to alpine/mutt. >_>
[23:40] <keithzg> Unit193: Heh. We actually do already have alphine running on our mail server, but alpine's support for PGP email is relatively primitive last I checked (only inline, no MIME-based support), and I've never used Mutt.
[23:41]  * keithzg used to use Alpine back in the dial-up days, and until recently also supported by alma matter; they switched to Google Apps a few years back, however.
[23:42] <Unit193> keithzg: Ah yes, for that I use the old, unmaintained ez-pine-gpg extension to great success.  One can use the actually supported pine-pgp-filters though, since it supports gpg1 and gpg2.
[23:56] <g1bh4> ola, mundo
[23:57] <g1bh4> \quit