| charged | ahh gnome-schedule :D | 00:00 |
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| ali1234 | andylockran: build it yourself: i7-6700 with a MSI ECO motherboard, as much RAM and SSD as you can afford | 01:15 |
| init_1990 | Hey guys, I would like to know if anyone over here studies/studied at De MontFort University. I will be enrolling for BS Software Engineering at DMU this fall and would like to get soe feedback as I really don't have anyone in the uk to ask ? | 01:58 |
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| zerous | hi :) | 08:45 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 09:08 |
| zerous | hey | 09:09 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy Susan B Anthony Day! 😃 | 09:52 |
| brobosti1on | morning boys and girls. | 09:59 |
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| zerous | guys, I would like to know if anyone studies/studied at De MontFort University. I am planning to join for BS Software Engineering this fall but have none to ask for suggestions/recommendations ? | 10:01 |
| zerous | If anyone has had any prior experiences with DMU, please let me know, I am in the dark atm. | 10:02 |
| davmor2 | JamesTait: does this work I think it is the message she was trying to convey right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBmMU_iwe6U | 10:22 |
| popey | 200 quid for an x230 - not bad http://www.tier1online.com/728-2324a39-b-screen/lenovo-thinkpad-x230-intel-core-i5-3320m-2-60ghz-grade-b-screen | 11:22 |
| popey | i mean, it's a 4 year old laptop... | 11:22 |
| TwistedLucidity | I wonder what's available brand new for the same price and how it would compare | 11:41 |
| popey | x260 is latest i guess | 12:11 |
| TwistedLucidity | Yeah, and it costs a wee bitty more than £200! | 12:56 |
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| diddledan | interesting discussion on Snappy, Flatpak, et al on the Lunduke Hour; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PTtlOP09hY | 15:22 |
| TwistedLucidity | diddledan: Is the "Lunduke Hour" any good? | 15:31 |
| diddledan | I've been enjoying it | 15:31 |
| TwistedLucidity | Has is presentation style improved? (Or is it just me that it grates with?) | 15:31 |
| diddledan | just you :-p | 15:31 |
| TwistedLucidity | Thought so | 15:32 |
| ali1234 | i can't stand him either | 16:05 |
| SuperMatt | What's the takeaway from the lunduke hour? Does he think containerised apps are any good? | 16:09 |
| ali1234 | i'd guess that he listed a load of problems with snap which are also common to flatpak, and then decided arbitrarily that snap sucks and flatpak is the greatest thing ever | 16:10 |
| ali1234 | because that is what he always does | 16:10 |
| ali1234 | yeah i was right | 16:17 |
| SuperMatt | surely he as a reason for saying flatpak is better | 16:23 |
| ali1234 | doesn't really matter because they're just spreading misconceptions anyway | 16:24 |
| ali1234 | SuperMatt: his reasoning: "snap sucks because canonical dont support their software" | 16:26 |
| ali1234 | then they conflate portable application bundles with snap/flatpak | 16:26 |
| ali1234 | (basically they're listing all the problems with appimage as if they apply to snap and flatpak) | 16:27 |
| ali1234 | now they acknowledged that both snap and flatpak have a runtime, but they dont like that either | 16:29 |
| ali1234 | "why not just standardize on opensuse?" | 16:29 |
| ali1234 | now they're waffling about how everyone should just use OBS | 16:31 |
| ali1234 | "you can get packages out in a couple of weeks!" | 16:32 |
| ali1234 | apparently the answer to all these problems is everyone should just use a rolling distro | 16:33 |
| ali1234 | they seem to have completely gone off the topic of app bundles without reaching any conclusion on it | 16:33 |
| ali1234 | basically they're just reciting opensuse advertising materials now | 16:34 |
| ali1234 | okay that's enough of that | 16:39 |
| SuperMatt | OBS? | 16:44 |
| ali1234 | opensuse build service | 16:44 |
| ali1234 | think launchpad PPAs, but without the project management, issue tracking, and merge requests | 16:45 |
| ali1234 | and with an utterly incomprehensible interface | 16:45 |
| ali1234 | and no documentation | 16:45 |
| ali1234 | oh but it can build debs *and* rpms | 16:45 |
| SuperMatt | I just can't get on with OpenSuse. Whenever I want to install packages from a non-standard repo, I feel like it's always fighting against me | 16:45 |
| ali1234 | by writing an arcane configuration script | 16:45 |
| ali1234 | which is also largely undocumented | 16:46 |
| SuperMatt | Frankly, since I switched to Fedora (from about version 21, I think), I've never wanted to change distro | 16:46 |
| ali1234 | last time i installed fedora the package manager didn't even work | 16:47 |
| SuperMatt | It's pretty close to upstream, a great representation of what the next centos will be like, and is extremely stable these days | 16:47 |
| ali1234 | it feels like never ending ubuntu+1 | 16:47 |
| SuperMatt | what do you mean by that? | 16:47 |
| ali1234 | and if you have a problem they just wait 6 months and then yell at you for using an out of date version | 16:47 |
| ali1234 | what i mean by that is every time i have tried it, it has been broken beyond usability out of the box | 16:48 |
| ali1234 | eg you can't install anything because RPM is broken in the stable release ISOs | 16:49 |
| SuperMatt | Really? I haven't had any such issue in the last 3 years | 16:49 |
| ali1234 | i gave up on fedora completely at around 17 | 16:50 |
| SuperMatt | Ah, that was a pretty dark time for fedora. 16 and 17 were terrible | 16:50 |
| ali1234 | i only use ubuntu LTS releases now | 16:51 |
| ali1234 | its kind of unfortunate for fedora if they were going through a bad patch at exactly the time everyone was trying to get away from ubuntu | 16:52 |
| ali1234 | but after evaluating all the competitors in ~2012 i had to conclude that ubuntu was still miles better than any of them | 16:53 |
| SuperMatt | Without trying to have a go at you personally, I get quite frustrated at people who enjoy the freedom of FOSS, but pointblank refuse to re-evaluate software when new versions are released. There are so many unity and gnome haters who tried it once in their respective infancies and refuse to ever try them again. | 16:56 |
| ali1234 | i used unity for two years | 16:57 |
| ali1234 | my dad still uses it | 16:57 |
| ali1234 | it hasn't changed at all since i stopped using it | 16:57 |
| ali1234 | i tried out unity7 on a phone a couple of months ago - it's awful | 16:58 |
| SuperMatt | Oh I'm not saying you dislike unity, but there are too many people who go "I tried X during beta 0.1, didn't like it, and now I will use my experience to trash it online" | 16:58 |
| SuperMatt | That's unity 8, iirc | 16:58 |
| ali1234 | and yes it was an extended test. i had it on there for a few days | 16:58 |
| ali1234 | oh yeah sorry | 16:58 |
| ali1234 | i do dislike unity though | 16:58 |
| ali1234 | i did however spend 2 years trying to like it | 16:58 |
| SuperMatt | What do you use? | 16:58 |
| ali1234 | and i do like some of it | 16:58 |
| ali1234 | i use xubuntu | 16:59 |
| SuperMatt | fair, it's light, and usable | 16:59 |
| SuperMatt | I use gnome shell simply because it stays out of my way | 16:59 |
| ali1234 | all the things i don't like about unity are the same in gnome shell | 17:00 |
| ali1234 | and ultimately they are copied from OS X | 17:00 |
| SuperMatt | Like what? | 17:01 |
| SuperMatt | because I love Gnome, but hate OSX with a passion | 17:01 |
| ali1234 | like if i have 20 terminal windows open and nothing else, then precisely what use is a dock where they are all represented by one icon? | 17:01 |
| ali1234 | that's basically what it boils down to. i dont like docks and i never will | 17:02 |
| ali1234 | there are similar problems with the app switcher | 17:02 |
| SuperMatt | ah, well I don't like docks because I use exposé | 17:02 |
| SuperMatt | s/like/use | 17:02 |
| ali1234 | expose is useless if you have 20 terminals! | 17:02 |
| ali1234 | they all look identical | 17:02 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: super+w is much nicer anyway :) | 17:03 |
| ali1234 | and what does that do? | 17:03 |
| SuperMatt | ali1234: you might want to use something like terminator | 17:03 |
| ali1234 | i do use terminator | 17:03 |
| ali1234 | i love it | 17:03 |
| SuperMatt | all right | 17:03 |
| ali1234 | i still have loads and load of terminal windows open | 17:03 |
| ali1234 | i have 22 across 2 monitors just on the current virtual desktop | 17:04 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: why? | 17:04 |
| SuperMatt | Maybe it's a workflow thing. I only ever have windows open for the things that I'm working on right that minute, meaning that I will have a browser with about 3 or 4 tabs, and maybe 3 or 4 terminals *tops* | 17:04 |
| SuperMatt | yes, I agree with davmor2 | 17:04 |
| ali1234 | ssh connections to various servers | 17:05 |
| SuperMatt | but why 22 at the same time? | 17:05 |
| ali1234 | five of them are for a webpage i was doing some work on | 17:06 |
| ali1234 | if i'm working on some wordpress plugin or something then i'm going to have five nanos and a couple of tail -f | 17:07 |
| ali1234 | plus a shell prompt to move around and poke stuff | 17:08 |
| ali1234 | then i usually have three or four projects like that in progress at any time | 17:08 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: right so why not one terminal per ssh session or server that I can kinda go with. With the various tabs in play for each command on that server | 17:08 |
| ali1234 | because people call me up and say "can you just quickly do this..." | 17:08 |
| ali1234 | because i have two monitors | 17:09 |
| ali1234 | but i generally prefer things to be full screen | 17:09 |
| ali1234 | so i might have two panels in one window, and the third one up on the second monitor | 17:09 |
| ali1234 | then switch to the shell | 17:09 |
| ali1234 | i dont really see any need to have tabs in my terminal windows | 17:10 |
| ali1234 | i have a perfectly good taskbar for that | 17:10 |
| ali1234 | if i used tabs i wouldn't be able to freely move windows around between monitors and desktops | 17:12 |
| ali1234 | id have to split them out first | 17:12 |
| ali1234 | i should probably look into how you configure terminator | 17:19 |
| ali1234 | would be good to just click an icon and get it launched with all the specific panels and tabs in the right directories | 17:20 |
| diddledan | had an awesome idea for the new ipwn. replace the "case" with polymer which isn't pre-formed before manufacture, so that you "pour" the polymer into a mould which has all the components in-place for a functioning phone. absolutely zero air left in the device replaced instead with the polymer - waterproof much?! | 23:11 |
| diddledan | also, zero servicing ability means more expensive "repairs" :-p | 23:12 |
| * diddledan dings the cast register to stash the extra monies | 23:12 | |
| zmoylan-pi | i'm waiting till someone works out how to make a case from artifical diamond... maximum bling... difficult for repairs mind... :-) | 23:28 |
| zmoylan-pi | i will settle for a new nokia 3310 if if can handle java apps | 23:29 |
| zmoylan-pi | i have broken 1 nokia 3310, the odds of breaking 2 are so close to 0 it's not worth even trying to calculate | 23:31 |
| diddledan | I heard on the radio that the 3310 is coming back. I am unsure whether it was "fake news" or not (I hate that term) | 23:50 |
| diddledan | in other news, I listened to the radio today! | 23:51 |
| diddledan | the radio still exists!!!!?! | 23:51 |
| zmoylan-pi | though to be honest the 3310 never went away. i saw one in use last year at protest march. i've seen them in shop windows for sale... | 23:57 |
| zmoylan-pi | well they are looking to shut down fm radio in norway and other countries are thinking of following. i have dab radio and i like it but it's nowhere near as useable when out and about as fm | 23:58 |
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