[00:00] ahh gnome-schedule :D [01:15] andylockran: build it yourself: i7-6700 with a MSI ECO motherboard, as much RAM and SSD as you can afford [01:58] Hey guys, I would like to know if anyone over here studies/studied at De MontFort University. I will be enrolling for BS Software Engineering at DMU this fall and would like to get soe feedback as I really don't have anyone in the uk to ask ? === m0nkey__ is now known as m0nkey_ === WillMoogle_ is now known as WillMoogle === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi [08:45] hi :) [09:08] Morning all [09:09] hey [09:52] Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy Susan B Anthony Day! 😃 [09:59] morning boys and girls. === brobosti1on is now known as brobostigon [10:01] guys, I would like to know if anyone studies/studied at De MontFort University. I am planning to join for BS Software Engineering this fall but have none to ask for suggestions/recommendations ? [10:02] If anyone has had any prior experiences with DMU, please let me know, I am in the dark atm. [10:22] JamesTait: does this work I think it is the message she was trying to convey right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBmMU_iwe6U [11:22] 200 quid for an x230 - not bad http://www.tier1online.com/728-2324a39-b-screen/lenovo-thinkpad-x230-intel-core-i5-3320m-2-60ghz-grade-b-screen [11:22] i mean, it's a 4 year old laptop... [11:41] I wonder what's available brand new for the same price and how it would compare [12:11] x260 is latest i guess [12:56] Yeah, and it costs a wee bitty more than £200! === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === marcus is now known as Guest67914 === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [15:22] interesting discussion on Snappy, Flatpak, et al on the Lunduke Hour; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PTtlOP09hY [15:31] diddledan: Is the "Lunduke Hour" any good? [15:31] I've been enjoying it [15:31] Has is presentation style improved? (Or is it just me that it grates with?) [15:31] just you :-p [15:32] Thought so [16:05] i can't stand him either [16:09] What's the takeaway from the lunduke hour? Does he think containerised apps are any good? [16:10] i'd guess that he listed a load of problems with snap which are also common to flatpak, and then decided arbitrarily that snap sucks and flatpak is the greatest thing ever [16:10] because that is what he always does [16:17] yeah i was right [16:23] surely he as a reason for saying flatpak is better [16:24] doesn't really matter because they're just spreading misconceptions anyway [16:26] SuperMatt: his reasoning: "snap sucks because canonical dont support their software" [16:26] then they conflate portable application bundles with snap/flatpak [16:27] (basically they're listing all the problems with appimage as if they apply to snap and flatpak) [16:29] now they acknowledged that both snap and flatpak have a runtime, but they dont like that either [16:29] "why not just standardize on opensuse?" [16:31] now they're waffling about how everyone should just use OBS [16:32] "you can get packages out in a couple of weeks!" [16:33] apparently the answer to all these problems is everyone should just use a rolling distro [16:33] they seem to have completely gone off the topic of app bundles without reaching any conclusion on it [16:34] basically they're just reciting opensuse advertising materials now [16:39] okay that's enough of that [16:44] OBS? [16:44] opensuse build service [16:45] think launchpad PPAs, but without the project management, issue tracking, and merge requests [16:45] and with an utterly incomprehensible interface [16:45] and no documentation [16:45] oh but it can build debs *and* rpms [16:45] I just can't get on with OpenSuse. Whenever I want to install packages from a non-standard repo, I feel like it's always fighting against me [16:45] by writing an arcane configuration script [16:46] which is also largely undocumented [16:46] Frankly, since I switched to Fedora (from about version 21, I think), I've never wanted to change distro [16:47] last time i installed fedora the package manager didn't even work [16:47] It's pretty close to upstream, a great representation of what the next centos will be like, and is extremely stable these days [16:47] it feels like never ending ubuntu+1 [16:47] what do you mean by that? [16:47] and if you have a problem they just wait 6 months and then yell at you for using an out of date version [16:48] what i mean by that is every time i have tried it, it has been broken beyond usability out of the box [16:49] eg you can't install anything because RPM is broken in the stable release ISOs [16:49] Really? I haven't had any such issue in the last 3 years [16:50] i gave up on fedora completely at around 17 [16:50] Ah, that was a pretty dark time for fedora. 16 and 17 were terrible [16:51] i only use ubuntu LTS releases now [16:52] its kind of unfortunate for fedora if they were going through a bad patch at exactly the time everyone was trying to get away from ubuntu [16:53] but after evaluating all the competitors in ~2012 i had to conclude that ubuntu was still miles better than any of them [16:56] Without trying to have a go at you personally, I get quite frustrated at people who enjoy the freedom of FOSS, but pointblank refuse to re-evaluate software when new versions are released. There are so many unity and gnome haters who tried it once in their respective infancies and refuse to ever try them again. [16:57] i used unity for two years [16:57] my dad still uses it [16:57] it hasn't changed at all since i stopped using it [16:58] i tried out unity7 on a phone a couple of months ago - it's awful [16:58] Oh I'm not saying you dislike unity, but there are too many people who go "I tried X during beta 0.1, didn't like it, and now I will use my experience to trash it online" [16:58] That's unity 8, iirc [16:58] and yes it was an extended test. i had it on there for a few days [16:58] oh yeah sorry [16:58] i do dislike unity though [16:58] i did however spend 2 years trying to like it [16:58] What do you use? [16:58] and i do like some of it [16:59] i use xubuntu [16:59] fair, it's light, and usable [16:59] I use gnome shell simply because it stays out of my way [17:00] all the things i don't like about unity are the same in gnome shell [17:00] and ultimately they are copied from OS X [17:01] Like what? [17:01] because I love Gnome, but hate OSX with a passion [17:01] like if i have 20 terminal windows open and nothing else, then precisely what use is a dock where they are all represented by one icon? [17:02] that's basically what it boils down to. i dont like docks and i never will [17:02] there are similar problems with the app switcher [17:02] ah, well I don't like docks because I use exposé [17:02] s/like/use [17:02] expose is useless if you have 20 terminals! [17:02] they all look identical [17:03] ali1234: super+w is much nicer anyway :) [17:03] and what does that do? [17:03] ali1234: you might want to use something like terminator [17:03] i do use terminator [17:03] i love it [17:03] all right [17:03] i still have loads and load of terminal windows open [17:04] i have 22 across 2 monitors just on the current virtual desktop [17:04] ali1234: why? [17:04] Maybe it's a workflow thing. I only ever have windows open for the things that I'm working on right that minute, meaning that I will have a browser with about 3 or 4 tabs, and maybe 3 or 4 terminals *tops* [17:04] yes, I agree with davmor2 [17:05] ssh connections to various servers [17:05] but why 22 at the same time? [17:06] five of them are for a webpage i was doing some work on [17:07] if i'm working on some wordpress plugin or something then i'm going to have five nanos and a couple of tail -f [17:08] plus a shell prompt to move around and poke stuff [17:08] then i usually have three or four projects like that in progress at any time [17:08] ali1234: right so why not one terminal per ssh session or server that I can kinda go with. With the various tabs in play for each command on that server [17:08] because people call me up and say "can you just quickly do this..." [17:09] because i have two monitors [17:09] but i generally prefer things to be full screen [17:09] so i might have two panels in one window, and the third one up on the second monitor [17:09] then switch to the shell [17:10] i dont really see any need to have tabs in my terminal windows [17:10] i have a perfectly good taskbar for that [17:12] if i used tabs i wouldn't be able to freely move windows around between monitors and desktops [17:12] id have to split them out first [17:19] i should probably look into how you configure terminator [17:20] would be good to just click an icon and get it launched with all the specific panels and tabs in the right directories [23:11] had an awesome idea for the new ipwn. replace the "case" with polymer which isn't pre-formed before manufacture, so that you "pour" the polymer into a mould which has all the components in-place for a functioning phone. absolutely zero air left in the device replaced instead with the polymer - waterproof much?! [23:12] also, zero servicing ability means more expensive "repairs" :-p [23:12] * diddledan dings the cast register to stash the extra monies [23:28] i'm waiting till someone works out how to make a case from artifical diamond... maximum bling... difficult for repairs mind... :-) [23:29] i will settle for a new nokia 3310 if if can handle java apps [23:31] i have broken 1 nokia 3310, the odds of breaking 2 are so close to 0 it's not worth even trying to calculate [23:50] I heard on the radio that the 3310 is coming back. I am unsure whether it was "fake news" or not (I hate that term) [23:51] in other news, I listened to the radio today! [23:51] the radio still exists!!!!?! [23:57] though to be honest the 3310 never went away. i saw one in use last year at protest march. i've seen them in shop windows for sale... [23:58] well they are looking to shut down fm radio in norway and other countries are thinking of following. i have dab radio and i like it but it's nowhere near as useable when out and about as fm