[00:00] <charged> ahh gnome-schedule :D
[01:15] <ali1234> andylockran: build it yourself: i7-6700 with a MSI ECO motherboard, as much RAM and SSD as you can afford
[01:58] <init_1990> Hey guys, I would like to know if anyone over here studies/studied at De MontFort University. I will be enrolling for BS Software Engineering at DMU this fall and would like to get soe feedback as I really don't have anyone in the uk to ask ?
[08:45] <zerous> hi :)
[09:08] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:09] <zerous> hey
[09:52] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy Susan B Anthony Day! 😃
[09:59] <brobosti1on> morning boys and girls.
[10:01] <zerous> guys, I would like to know if anyone studies/studied at De MontFort University. I am planning to join for BS Software Engineering this fall but have none to ask for suggestions/recommendations ?
[10:02] <zerous> If anyone has had any prior experiences with DMU, please let me know, I am in the dark atm.
[10:22] <davmor2> JamesTait:  does this work I think it is the message she was trying to convey right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBmMU_iwe6U
[11:22] <popey> 200 quid for an x230 - not bad http://www.tier1online.com/728-2324a39-b-screen/lenovo-thinkpad-x230-intel-core-i5-3320m-2-60ghz-grade-b-screen
[11:22] <popey> i mean, it's a 4 year old laptop...
[11:41] <TwistedLucidity> I wonder what's available brand new for the same price and how it would compare
[12:11] <popey> x260 is latest i guess
[12:56] <TwistedLucidity> Yeah, and it costs a wee bitty more than £200!
[15:22] <diddledan> interesting discussion on Snappy, Flatpak, et al on the Lunduke Hour; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PTtlOP09hY
[15:31] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: Is the "Lunduke Hour" any good?
[15:31] <diddledan> I've been enjoying it
[15:31] <TwistedLucidity> Has is presentation style improved? (Or is it just me that it grates with?)
[15:31] <diddledan> just you :-p
[15:32] <TwistedLucidity> Thought so
[16:05] <ali1234> i can't stand him either
[16:09] <SuperMatt> What's the takeaway from the lunduke hour? Does he think containerised apps are any good?
[16:10] <ali1234> i'd guess that he listed a load of problems with snap which are also common to flatpak, and then decided arbitrarily that snap sucks and flatpak is the greatest thing ever
[16:10] <ali1234> because that is what he always does
[16:17] <ali1234> yeah i was right
[16:23] <SuperMatt> surely he as a reason for saying flatpak is better
[16:24] <ali1234> doesn't really matter because they're just spreading misconceptions anyway
[16:26] <ali1234> SuperMatt: his reasoning: "snap sucks because canonical dont support their software"
[16:26] <ali1234> then they conflate portable application bundles with snap/flatpak
[16:27] <ali1234> (basically they're listing all the problems with appimage as if they apply to snap and flatpak)
[16:29] <ali1234> now they acknowledged that both snap and flatpak have a runtime, but they dont like that either
[16:29] <ali1234> "why not just standardize on opensuse?"
[16:31] <ali1234> now they're waffling about how everyone should just use OBS
[16:32] <ali1234> "you can get packages out in a couple of weeks!"
[16:33] <ali1234> apparently the answer to all these problems is everyone should just use a rolling distro
[16:33] <ali1234> they seem to have completely gone off the topic of app bundles without reaching any conclusion on it
[16:34] <ali1234> basically they're just reciting opensuse advertising materials now
[16:39] <ali1234> okay that's enough of that
[16:44] <SuperMatt> OBS?
[16:44] <ali1234> opensuse build service
[16:45] <ali1234> think launchpad PPAs, but without the project management, issue tracking, and merge requests
[16:45] <ali1234> and with an utterly incomprehensible interface
[16:45] <ali1234> and no documentation
[16:45] <ali1234> oh but it can build debs *and* rpms
[16:45] <SuperMatt> I just can't get on with OpenSuse. Whenever I want to install packages from a non-standard repo, I feel like it's always fighting against me
[16:45] <ali1234> by writing an arcane configuration script
[16:46] <ali1234> which is also largely undocumented
[16:46] <SuperMatt> Frankly, since I switched to Fedora (from about version 21, I think), I've never wanted to change distro
[16:47] <ali1234> last time i installed fedora the package manager didn't even work
[16:47] <SuperMatt> It's pretty close to upstream, a great representation of what the next centos will be like, and is extremely stable these days
[16:47] <ali1234> it feels like never ending ubuntu+1
[16:47] <SuperMatt> what do you mean by that?
[16:47] <ali1234> and if you have a problem they just wait 6 months and then yell at you for using an out of date version
[16:48] <ali1234> what i mean by that is every time i have tried it, it has been broken beyond usability out of the box
[16:49] <ali1234> eg you can't install anything because RPM is broken in the stable release ISOs
[16:49] <SuperMatt> Really? I haven't had any such issue in the last 3 years
[16:50] <ali1234> i gave up on fedora completely at around 17
[16:50] <SuperMatt> Ah, that was a pretty dark time for fedora. 16 and 17 were terrible
[16:51] <ali1234> i only use ubuntu LTS releases now
[16:52] <ali1234> its kind of unfortunate for fedora if they were going through a bad patch at exactly the time everyone was trying to get away from ubuntu
[16:53] <ali1234> but after evaluating all the competitors in ~2012 i had to conclude that ubuntu was still miles better than any of them
[16:56] <SuperMatt> Without trying to have a go at you personally, I get quite frustrated at people who enjoy the freedom of FOSS, but pointblank refuse to re-evaluate software when new versions are released. There are so many unity and gnome haters who tried it once in their respective infancies and refuse to ever try them again.
[16:57] <ali1234> i used unity for two years
[16:57] <ali1234> my dad still uses it
[16:57] <ali1234> it hasn't changed at all since i stopped using it
[16:58] <ali1234> i tried out unity7 on a phone a couple of months ago - it's awful
[16:58] <SuperMatt> Oh I'm not saying you dislike unity, but there are too many people who go "I tried X during beta 0.1, didn't like it, and now I will use my experience to trash it online"
[16:58] <SuperMatt> That's unity 8, iirc
[16:58] <ali1234> and yes it was an extended test. i had it on there for a few days
[16:58] <ali1234> oh yeah sorry
[16:58] <ali1234> i do dislike unity though
[16:58] <ali1234> i did however spend 2 years trying to like it
[16:58] <SuperMatt> What do you use?
[16:58] <ali1234> and i do like some of it
[16:59] <ali1234> i use xubuntu
[16:59] <SuperMatt> fair, it's light, and usable
[16:59] <SuperMatt> I use gnome shell simply because it stays out of my way
[17:00] <ali1234> all the things i don't like about unity are the same in gnome shell
[17:00] <ali1234> and ultimately they are copied from OS X
[17:01] <SuperMatt> Like what?
[17:01] <SuperMatt> because I love Gnome, but hate OSX with a passion
[17:01] <ali1234> like if i have 20 terminal windows open and nothing else, then precisely what use is a dock where they are all represented by one icon?
[17:02] <ali1234> that's basically what it boils down to. i dont like docks and i never will
[17:02] <ali1234> there are similar problems with the app switcher
[17:02] <SuperMatt> ah, well I don't like docks because I use exposé
[17:02] <SuperMatt> s/like/use
[17:02] <ali1234> expose is useless if you have 20 terminals!
[17:02] <ali1234> they all look identical
[17:03] <davmor2> ali1234: super+w is much nicer anyway :)
[17:03] <ali1234> and what does that do?
[17:03] <SuperMatt> ali1234: you might want to use something like terminator
[17:03] <ali1234> i do use terminator
[17:03] <ali1234> i love it
[17:03] <SuperMatt> all right
[17:03] <ali1234> i still have loads and load of terminal windows open
[17:04] <ali1234> i have 22 across 2 monitors just on the current virtual desktop
[17:04] <davmor2> ali1234: why?
[17:04] <SuperMatt> Maybe it's a workflow thing. I only ever have windows open for the things that I'm working on right that minute, meaning that I will have a browser with about 3 or 4 tabs, and maybe 3 or 4 terminals *tops*
[17:04] <SuperMatt> yes, I agree with davmor2
[17:05] <ali1234> ssh connections to various servers
[17:05] <SuperMatt> but why 22 at the same time?
[17:06] <ali1234> five of them are for a webpage i was doing some work on
[17:07] <ali1234> if i'm working on some wordpress plugin or something then i'm going to have five nanos and a couple of tail -f
[17:08] <ali1234> plus a shell prompt to move around and poke stuff
[17:08] <ali1234> then i usually have three or four projects like that in progress at any time
[17:08] <davmor2> ali1234: right so why not one terminal per ssh session or server that I can kinda go with. With the various tabs in play for each command on that server
[17:08] <ali1234> because people call me up and say "can you just quickly do this..."
[17:09] <ali1234> because i have two monitors
[17:09] <ali1234> but i generally prefer things to be full screen
[17:09] <ali1234> so i might have two panels in one window, and the third one up on the second monitor
[17:09] <ali1234> then switch to the shell
[17:10] <ali1234> i dont really see any need to have tabs in my terminal windows
[17:10] <ali1234> i have a perfectly good taskbar for that
[17:12] <ali1234> if i used tabs i wouldn't be able to freely move windows around between monitors and desktops
[17:12] <ali1234> id have to split them out first
[17:19] <ali1234> i should probably look into how you configure terminator
[17:20] <ali1234> would be good to just click an icon and get it launched with all the specific panels and tabs in the right directories
[23:11] <diddledan> had an awesome idea for the new ipwn. replace the "case" with polymer which isn't pre-formed before manufacture, so that you "pour" the polymer into a mould which has all the components in-place for a functioning phone. absolutely zero air left in the device replaced instead with the polymer - waterproof much?!
[23:12] <diddledan> also, zero servicing ability means more expensive "repairs" :-p
[23:12]  * diddledan dings the cast register to stash the extra monies
[23:28] <zmoylan-pi> i'm waiting till someone works out how to make a case from artifical diamond... maximum bling... difficult for repairs mind... :-)
[23:29] <zmoylan-pi> i will settle for a new nokia 3310 if if can handle java apps
[23:31] <zmoylan-pi> i have broken 1 nokia 3310, the odds of breaking 2 are so close to 0 it's not worth even trying to calculate
[23:50] <diddledan> I heard on the radio that the 3310 is coming back. I am unsure whether it was "fake news" or not (I hate that term)
[23:51] <diddledan> in other news, I listened to the radio today!
[23:51] <diddledan> the radio still exists!!!!?!
[23:57] <zmoylan-pi> though to be honest the 3310 never went away. i saw one in use last year at protest march. i've seen them in shop windows for sale...
[23:58] <zmoylan-pi> well they are looking to shut down fm radio in norway and other countries are thinking of following.  i have dab radio and i like it but it's nowhere near as useable when out and about as fm