[00:22] <bluesabre> Unit193, that mugshot bug... gotta love when apis change and return values change types :\
[00:23] <Unit193> Yeeep!
[00:47] <bluesabre> Unit193, so, no python building needs to happen, so I think a basic Depends on the package would be fine for now
[00:48] <bluesabre> Thoughts?
[01:17] <Unit193> bluesabre: My only thoughts: 1. Does it need a copyright header?  2. --with python3?  3. I can't remember.
[01:18] <bluesabre> Unit193, 1. Makes sense, 2. No building, not sure its necessary, 3. Getting old.
[01:18] <Unit193> The only thing that it'd maybe do in the future is change the #!.
[01:18] <Unit193> I'm not that old! :(
[01:25] <bluesabre> :D
[01:45] <Unit193> bluesabre: Mess with people, use CDDL or MS-PL. :-----D
[01:53] <Unit193> bluesabre: If it makes you feel better, I patched pidgin-torchat a while ago to use .config/ and didn't care about XDG_CONFIG_HOME either. :D
[01:53] <Unit193> (And, left it that way because I still don't care.)
[01:56] <bluesabre> ah
[01:56] <bluesabre> easy solution in python though :)
[01:56] <bluesabre> config_dir = os.getenv('XDG_CONFIG_HOME', os.path.expanduser("~/.config/"))
[01:57] <Unit193> I was using Pascal. :3
[01:57] <Unit193> If you read /usr/bin/xdg-user-dir you'll see bash is easy too.
[01:58] <bluesabre> indeed :D
[02:24] <bluesabre> Unit193, did I miss anything? https://code.launchpad.net/~bluesabre/xubuntu-default-settings/xubuntu-templates/+merge/317186
[03:19] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [xubuntu-templates] r632 Packaging updates for Python, use XDG_CONFIG_HOME, add copyr... (by Sean Davis)
[03:19] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [xubuntu-templates] r633 Add missing changelog info (by Sean Davis)
[10:07] <bluesabre> morning all
[10:17] <ochosi> hey bluesabre 
[10:17] <bluesabre> hey ochosi 
[10:26] <bluesabre> Unit193, poke
[10:26] <Unit193> Not alive.
[10:31] <bluesabre> :D
[10:31] <bluesabre> "Are you in there? We're going to find you!" "No, nope, nobody hiding in here sir!"
[10:33] <Unit193> Oh dang.
[10:36] <Unit193> bluesabre: Presuming you don't need a social call...
[10:48] <bluesabre> Unit193, just going for one more poke before rolling in xubuntu-templates
[10:50] <Unit193> I have to review it? :(  (And at 6am!)
[10:50] <Unit193> I don't know python really, else the one part I'm sure would make sense.
[10:51] <bluesabre> You don't have to review it, but you had concerns that I wanted to make sure were adequately addressed
[10:51] <bluesabre> It does in general work, so improvements can be made after the fact
[10:56] <Unit193> Yep, and I think they likely were.  I'm just not quite sure this needs to run on every startup, but meh. :P
[10:56] <Unit193> So, nice job.
[10:57] <bluesabre> That just lets us update templates over time :)
[10:58] <Unit193> Mhmm, couldn't think of a good alternative.  Though, doesn't that mean one should version the templates, so we can update in addition to adding new ones?
[11:01] <bluesabre> It'd require some tweaking for providing updates
[11:01] <Unit193> Mhm.
[11:01] <bluesabre> should be simple to do though
[11:02] <Unit193> Anywho, that was just a thought.
[11:03] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [trunk] r631 * Add default document templates... (by Sean Davis)
[11:05] <bluesabre> Breakfast time, then  I'll upload and we'll have knocked an item off the list
[11:06] <Unit193> \o/
[11:06] <bluesabre> ochosi, flocculant, should we go for parole 0.9.x/1.0.x in zesty?
[11:07] <bluesabre> flocculant, will be pushing out a new menulibre release this week in case you want to take a peek at that
[11:07] <bluesabre> ochosi, anything else you'd like to see in zesty? FF tomorrow
[11:08] <Unit193> Oooh, crap.
[11:09] <bluesabre> I wonder if we want to switch to whisker 2.x or stay on 1.x for now
[11:33] <Unit193> 1.x :>
[11:38] <bluesabre> :D
[11:39] <Unit193> Hrm, notifyd doesn't really count as bugfix does it?
[11:41] <Unit193> xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin  2.1.0-0ppa1+gtk3~16.10      21  is that high enough we should have at least seen one person with an issue?
[11:44] <Unit193> (I don't use it, so not affecting my bias) I'd say since that's a little more heavily used, since it's the default, we should stick with the 1.x series but keep the 2.x series up to date in the PPA for testing and bug hunting.  Other things that did jump to GTK3 are minor.  Sound sane, or just jump now?
[11:46] <Unit193> Also I was reminded, while trying to get out of something social, that I need to schedule a meeting.
[11:55] <ochosi> i
[11:55] <ochosi> 've been using whisker-gtk3 for a while already
[11:55] <ochosi> no issues so far
[11:55] <ochosi> not sure, we can jump to taskman 1.2.0
[11:55] <ochosi> that'd be nice
[11:55] <ochosi> and we definitely need thunar 1.6.11
[11:56] <Unit193> I certainly agree on that last one, yes. :P
[11:56] <Unit193> Had hoped for a sync though.
[12:05] <flocculant> bluesabre: okey doke
[12:06] <flocculant> Unit193: who wouldn't agree with that last one :p
[12:06] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [trunk] r632 Add changelog for QT5 env variable (by Sean Davis)
[12:10] <Unit193> flocculant: Gotta agree to something!
[12:10] <flocculant> :)
[12:11] <flocculant> am I right in thinking it has to be bug fix zesty before sru anything else?
[12:14] <flocculant> bluesabre:any reason why not parole 1.0? and I've not seen any problems with whisker 2.somegit from the gtk3 ppa 
[12:16] <flocculant> and contrary to Unit193's position on that - how many people actually use x.ppa's? so how much testing happens? if 'mostly' team then I would say change it now - then we'll see bugs reported before it's 18.04 ...
[12:27] <bluesabre> thanks for the feedback guys!
[12:27] <flocculant> welcome :)
[12:28] <flocculant> makes a change to not be whining and put in blogs like it :D
[12:28] <bluesabre> thunar, definitely, looks like we're not going to get the latest and greatest in debian to sync, so we'll merge debian and the latest
[12:28] <bluesabre> flocculant, with SRUs, we implement in devel release first, then backport fixes
[12:29] <flocculant> bluesabre: right - so getting into zesty is prerequisite 
[12:29] <bluesabre> whisker 2.x doesn't really matter to me either way, but it is lesser tested, so maybe roll that one in at the beginning of z+1
[12:29] <bluesabre> or whenever :D
[12:30] <bluesabre> taskman, haven't tested it myself yet
[12:30] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok - bit mmm about that tbh - never very convinced on ppa participation
[12:30] <bluesabre> yeah
[12:30] <bluesabre> we'll hold on that
[12:30] <bluesabre> the app menu is a critical piece of our desktop
[12:30] <flocculant> it could possibly be you, me and poonil 
[12:31] <flocculant> right - so my thinking is get in asap - rather than wait till 18.04 is closer still :)
[12:31] <bluesabre> lol
[12:31] <flocculant> but z+1day works for me :D
[12:31] <bluesabre> we're all flexible then
[12:32] <flocculant> anyway - best be off again - have a day :)
[12:32] <bluesabre> I'll test it myself today and if I find time to upload, I'll consider then
[12:32] <flocculant> bluesabre: you talking anout tqaskman? I was talking about whisker lol
[12:32] <bluesabre> whisker
[12:32] <bluesabre> we are on the same page this time
[12:33] <flocculant> ok - just checking :)
[12:35] <bluesabre> though, if you'd like to poke taskman, go for it ;)
[12:37] <bluesabre> guessing whisker-2 probably depends on garcon-2
[12:41] <Unit193> Mmmm...
[12:41] <bluesabre> x-d-s uploaded
[12:42] <bluesabre> thunar and at least some others tonight
[12:42] <bluesabre> weeeeeee
[12:42] <Unit193> garcon doesn't specifically make me happy, exo is alright though.
[12:42] <Unit193> Meh, thunar isn't so bad.  I can poke at something if needed.
[12:43] <bluesabre> if you want to handle the thunar upload, feel free to :)
[12:46] <bluesabre> flocculant, and no reason to not do parole, might be some bugs in 0.9.0 (there are, some are fixed), but I'll be tackling those in the next week or two
[12:47] <bluesabre> so thunar, parole, menulibre, maybe whisker-gtk, maybe taskman
[13:09] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [trunk] r633 Release 17.04.0 (by Sean Davis)
[16:06] <flocculant> bluesabre: yup
[21:04] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: smoketesting 16.04 64 bit - ignoring post install, lvm and oem - we just need to make sure they don't splodeallover
[21:05] <ochosi> flocculant: what's the chance of thunar 1.6.11 making 16.04?
[21:05] <ochosi> and if there is none, can we put it in a PPA for 16.04 to help those poor LTS users?
[21:05] <ochosi> (and blog about it)
[21:06] <flocculant> ochosi: 2 ticks
[21:06] <flocculant> ochosi: afaik = we need to get it in zesty - then we can sru it and backport it (I think I read Sean right earlier)
[21:07] <ochosi> right, that's the usual process
[21:08] <flocculant> so assuming we get it in - then I see no reason
[21:08] <flocculant> but - given that 14.04 is not long for the world for us - short-term fix would be a ppa 
[21:09] <flocculant> bluesabre: ^^ 
[21:09] <ochosi> or Unit193 ^^
[21:10] <flocculant> indeed :)
[21:10] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: got a plymouth crash on first reboot - but not second go
[22:19] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: ok - smoketested both archs now - or as much as I care too ;)
[22:23] <flocculant> bluesabre Unit193 - I assume that thunar is bug fixes - so freeze exception ?
[22:23] <Unit193> Should be, but test built it now.
[22:23] <flocculant> ok
[22:26] <flocculant> knome: I assume you saw updated mp for conttibutor stuff fly by
[22:26] <flocculant> and now - I'll bbl 
[22:26] <knome> yeah...
[22:26] <knome> nighty
[22:27] <Unit193> Shouldn't need one either way though, FF hasn't hit the archive yet.
[22:40] <Unit193> bluesabre: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=769445 - https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12832 - https://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/commit/?id=726b34c0b37e778a4983866602cc20cfa4172b99
[23:15] <Unit193> flocculant: Around?
[23:18] <knome> went to bed
[23:18] <Unit193> Why did we put all our QA team in the UK again?
[23:19] <knome> we didn't put it... they came out of their caves themself
[23:19] <knome> theirself?
[23:19] <knome> whateva.
[23:20] <knome> aaaanyway.
[23:20] <knome> time to do something else before going to bed
[23:20] <knome> nighty!
[23:24] <bluesabre> Unit193, awesome
[23:25] <Unit193> I'm working out a test. >_>
[23:27] <bluesabre> and I'm going out for pizza :D
[23:27] <bluesabre> bbabl
[23:28] <Unit193> Sounds fantastic, I quite approve.
[23:32] <Unit193> bluesabre: I should just push xfdesktop4?
[23:32] <bluesabre> Unit193, I'm not opposed
[23:33] <Unit193> Built, confirmed before that I could see it, after that it was gone.
[23:33] <bluesabre> awesome
[23:33] <bluesabre> Upload away :)
[23:37] <bluesabre> (same with thunar if your test build looks good)
[23:37] <Unit193> Oh, well good.  Because I already pushed that. >_>
[23:39] <Unit193> ...I keep typing xfdesktop5.
[23:42] <bluesabre> :D
[23:42] <bluesabre> Unit193 comes from the future
[23:43] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/1.6.11-0ubuntu1 - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/4.12.3-2ubuntu2