[06:27] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om
[06:28] <Bashing-om> That be me ! .. Good morn lotuspsychje :)
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: was the night okay?
[06:31] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Ueah .. jad it momenys and spots .. fought a interent connectivity for some spell . only to find that the issue was IOMMU in bios . Still has me scratching my head on finding the DHCP release of a router .
[06:31] <Bashing-om> Had it moments and spots
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: routers admin page perhaps? 192.168.1.1
[06:33] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Not so simple when the IP is not known :( can not directly access the router .
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> oh
[06:34] <Bashing-om> had me cracking the books :)
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: some roters will allow remote access also, perhaps also an idea to see whats going on
[06:36] <Bashing-om> I save it for another day , Sure to get more experience later .
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> cool
[06:40] <Bashing-om> One of thes days I may be as smart as lotuspsychje is, and lotuspsychje then as smart as he thinks he is .., and we be a formiddable team then !
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> a fantastic team we surely are
[06:41] <Bashing-om> Anyway, ya keeping up appearances ? Business looks good ?
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> working alot this week at the bakery
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> no time to continue business
[06:46] <Bashing-om> Well the goal here is to turn that around , no ?
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: yes, buts its gonna be hard as the summer is comming to us, and more work in the kitchen
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: and they refuse to spend more money for other employees
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> gonna be challenging
[06:49] <lotuspsychje> and i also dont wanna do my ubuntu business at fulltime as the prices to pay taxes are too high for starters
[06:49] <Bashing-om> A worker is worthy of his hire and has more work :)
[06:49] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: ill try to find a balance between both
[06:51] <Bashing-om> I found it more work - in private practice - doing the paper work for taxes than the actual work that generated the taxes .
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> those guys earn good $$ by doing nothing
[07:06] <ducasse> morning all
[07:07] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Morn'n ! Just in time to see my back side as I back out .
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[07:14] <ducasse> \o lotuspsychje - how's life?
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> great here mate and you
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> working day again
[07:15] <ducasse> drinking tea, trying hard to wake up :)
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[07:19] <ducasse> when are you starting work today?
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> 12
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> till 17
[07:32] <ducasse> i got some unexpected money in yesterday, so i'm going to order a trackball and a few other things - got wrist pain from mouse usage.
[07:42] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: cool!
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: ive got a kensington gelly mousepad under mouse
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> protects my wrist
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> morning de-facto
[07:46] <ducasse> i use this support-thingy that's strapped around the wrist, otherwise i can hardly sit at the computer at all. it's the mouse that causes it, though, and many recommends trackballs so i thought i'd try one. haven't used one since my amiga :)
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> lol amiga 500 those were the days
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> those games were so original
[07:48] <ducasse> i had several models, i think the 2000 or 3000 was the one i used a trackball with. and yes, that is why i don't game anymore.
[07:48] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: https://www.artencraft.be/images/photolib/2044527_543x408.jpg
[07:48] <lotuspsychje> this the one i got
[07:48] <ducasse> nice.
[07:48] <lotuspsychje> nice n soft
[07:50] <ducasse> this is the one i'm looking at - https://www.kensington.com/us/us/4493/k64325/expert-mouse-wired-trackball
[07:51] <ducasse> need to check a few things first, i'm picky ;)
[07:52] <lotuspsychje> http://www.zdnet.com/article/why-munich-should-stick-with-linux/#ftag=RSSbaffb68
[07:52] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[07:52] <ducasse> this comes up every year or so
[07:53] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: looking goos, but wont your wrist end up the table a bit also, with hand little in the air?
[07:54] <lotuspsychje> not sure wich pose the wrist is best ergonomic
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: http://kneelingchairhq.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/ergonomics-mouse-hand.jpg
[07:57] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: perhaps some electro shop nearby to go test some?
[07:58] <ducasse> look further down, it comes with a detachable support thingy
[08:01] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: oh right, didnt see that one, looks comfy
[08:01] <ducasse> there are shops here that has trackballs, but only logitech - which i don't want.
[08:01] <ducasse> since logitech started making mice that requires windows i no longer buy their products.
[08:03] <lotuspsychje> didnt know that
[08:03] <lotuspsychje> tnx for the hint
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: https://wiki.ezvid.com/best-trackball-mice
[08:04] <ducasse> the one i bought without knowing this actually sends keyboard events for a couple of buttons
[08:09] <ducasse> the kensingtons often do well in reviews i've seen, i only wish they had a couple more buttons
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: how does that thing scroll?
[08:10] <ducasse> there's a wheel around the ball
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> ah, so turn in circles to scroll?
[08:11] <ducasse> yep
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> weird lol
[08:11] <ducasse> if that wheel could send middle button when 'clicked' that thing would be perfect
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> i always like fast mouse sensitvity, i bet with highest value an trackball would be pretty handy
[08:13] <ducasse> i also crank that to 11 :)
[08:49] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:53] <ducasse> \o
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader
[08:57] <lordievader> Hey ducasse, lotuspsychje. How are you guys?
[08:58] <lotuspsychje> great here
[08:58] <ducasse> all quiet so far
[08:58] <lotuspsychje> !membership
[08:59] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: Going for the membership?
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: no, testing the trigger for #ubuntu as someone was asking
[09:00] <lordievader> Too bad :P
[09:03] <lotuspsychje> i already feel member without the title :p
[09:06] <lordievader> Hahaha, good :)
[09:06] <lotuspsychje> and JanC already doing a great job for belgium so :p
[09:08] <JanC> ?
[09:09] <JanC> I'm not an Ubuntu member
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> JanC: oh, your name showed up at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[09:19] <JanC> that doesn't make me an "Ubuntu Member"?  :)
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> nop
[09:52] <lotuspsychje> laterz guys working time
[10:14] <ducasse> gtg into town, brb
[12:22] <OerHeks> he is back :-D
[12:23] <OerHeks> i wonder why someone wants to start irssi befor the user logged in
[12:25] <ducasse> the reason i asked what he was running is that a lot of people try to autostart stuff for their x session that way...
[12:59] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:07] <lordievader> o/
[13:10] <BluesKaj> \o
[13:12] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[13:18] <BluesKaj> fine here, lordievader, and you?
[13:18] <ducasse> o/ BluesKaj - everything well?
[13:18] <BluesKaj> hey ducasse
[13:19] <BluesKaj> still mucking about with debian jessie
[13:21] <ducasse> i'm still mucking about with arch :) seriously considering scrapping it and going with debian (sid) instead.
[13:22] <OerHeks> i'm still mucking around with ubuntu :-D
[13:22] <BluesKaj> I find jessie a bit retro, like kubuntu 14.04, but i love the stability
[13:22] <BluesKaj> plasma 4
[13:23] <OerHeks> I read your comment on debian + plasma4, seems to be nicer than ubuntu?
[13:26] <BluesKaj> OerHeks: I'm not a gnome/unity fan, never have been since I discovered linux, when i found kde that's when i went with linux full time. It's a matter of personal taste and choice
[13:27] <OerHeks> I like KDE too, my 1st try was opensuse with kde default.
[13:28] <BluesKaj> you might find gnome/unity more to your taste ...to me it's personal rather that telling users that kde/plasma is better ..it may not be for you and others
[13:29] <BluesKaj> flavour is the operative word here ;-)
[13:30] <OerHeks> pure gnome3 is also cool
[13:32] <BluesKaj> I'm an old windows guy and got used to windows from 3.1 to W98 on the job so when first encountered KDE the familiar look made more comfortable with kde than gnome
[13:37] <ducasse> OerHeks: do you use gnome3?
[13:37] <BluesKaj> before that it was mostly applications programs on the instruments I worked with which were msdos based or unix  on integrators and older type measurement output interfaced devices
[13:38] <OerHeks> ducasse, i have tried it in vbox, it seems not that bad at all.
[13:38] <ducasse> OerHeks: been thinking of giving it a proper chance. do you use a lot of extensions?
[13:39] <OerHeks> ducasse, no, just plain gnome3 to see how it behaves. you need to put some time in in though, as for any desktop to get around
[13:40] <ducasse> OerHeks: the main problem i've always had with the major de's is multi-monitor support, don't know if gnome3 is any better than the others.
[13:41] <OerHeks> oh, that i cannot answer
[13:42] <ducasse> if you switch workspaces on one screen they all switch, and that drives me insane :-/
[13:42] <OerHeks> aia, yes, unity too, i have to lock hexchat 'available on all workspaces ' for that
[13:43] <OerHeks> not sure there is a DE that switches independantly
[13:44] <ducasse> thanks to the ewmh or whatever it's called, i don't think so. freedesktop.org says they can't do that. why it can't be a user-configurable option is beyond me.
[13:45] <OerHeks> I'd like to see that option in unity, might win users with that
[13:46] <OerHeks> say you have 3 screens ... horrible
[13:47] <ducasse> exactly! i do have three screens, and only rarely want to switch more than one. aiui, the reasoning is that it would be confusing, so it's just not allowed if you are going to claim ewmh-compliance.
[13:48] <OerHeks> you have a real point there, make a bug/wish report, i support ya
[13:50] <ducasse> there are several posts/discussions on askubuntu, maybe i'll file a wish report and point to that. i wonder if the proper place would better be freedesktop.org, though.
[13:52] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Doing good too, just got a hair cut :)
[13:53] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Strech is almost stable, upgrading to that gets Debian more up to date ;)
[13:56] <BluesKaj> lordievader:  yes, but it's got plasma 5 which eliminates some of my fav features
[13:57] <lordievader> Ah, well I suppose Jessie is supported for quite some time.
[13:58] <BluesKaj> another yr I think
[14:05] <BluesKaj> bbl
[14:42] <OerHeks> When ikonia appears in #ubuntu, it makes me happy :-D
[14:42] <OerHeks> hi IdleOne