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[01:28] <bluesabre> baaaaaaaaack
[01:29] <bluesabre> Unit193, we can probably say "[xubuntu-dev] Investigate Thunar patches and/or replacement file manager: TODO" is now DONE, right?
[01:30] <bluesabre> investigated, committed, released :)
[01:30] <Unit193> Looks done to meeeee.
[01:32] <bluesabre> woooo!
[01:32] <bluesabre> I'll give that doneness to you ;)
[01:36] <Unit193> All I did was the packaging. :3
[01:40] <bluesabre> 100 points
[01:40] <bluesabre> :D
[01:40] <Unit193> What's up?  Anything else I can do?
[01:41] <bluesabre> packaging parole currently
[01:42] <bluesabre> if you want whisker or taskman, go for it
[01:52] <Unit193> ...So I checked xfdesktop4 for bugs it closes, but forgot thunar.  Dang.
[01:53] <Unit193> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0 is real fun.
[02:07] <bluesabre> oh wow
[02:09] <Unit193> Note to self: Don't touch thunar.
[02:20] <bluesabre> wow
[02:21] <bluesabre> I think it's safe to trust whisker gtk3
[02:21] <bluesabre> I didn't even know I was running it
[02:21] <bluesabre> :D
[02:22] <Unit193> Hah.  Can likely just take the packaging from the PPA and fix d/changelog
[02:22] <bluesabre> indeed
[02:23] <bluesabre> it turns out that you've been doing all the work lately :)
[02:23] <Unit193> Well, they kept spitting out releases...  You can just flip the name in d/changelog, I don't mind.
[03:20] <bluesabre> Unit193, open xfce4-appfinder and let me know what you see
[03:20] <Unit193> This sounds like a trick question.
[03:21] <bluesabre> :D
[03:21] <bluesabre> I see zero apps
[03:22] <Unit193> Oh, you mean appfinder, not xfrun.  I use the latter.  I have no problems with appfinder/4.12.0-2ubuntu2
[03:22] <bluesabre> hm
[03:22] <bluesabre> probably something broken on my env
[03:22] <bluesabre> and virtualbox crapping out
[03:22] <bluesabre> :D
[03:37] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/parole/0.9.0-0ubuntu1
[03:37] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin/2.1.0-0ubuntu1
[03:37] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-taskmanager/1.2.0-0ubuntu1
[03:37] <bluesabre> big day for qa tomorrow... ;)
[03:41] <Unit193> That's not GTK3?
[03:44] <Unit193> Huh.
[03:44] <bluesabre> yeah, surprised me too
[03:44] <bluesabre> Then I realized I read the release announcement wrong
[03:44] <bluesabre> "So far the Gtk3 branch already works and has feature-parity with master."
[03:45] <Unit193> I read it a bit ago, nice surprise though.
[03:46] <bluesabre> the xprop like functionality for the processes is pretty sweet
[03:46] <Unit193> Backported both to PPA anyway.
[03:48] <bluesabre> thanks
[03:49] <bluesabre> I think I'll work on getting xfce more appstream friendly next
[03:50]  * Unit193 shrugs.
[03:50] <Unit193> bluesabre: Nono!  Work on gpg signing in the release manager! :---D
[03:52] <bluesabre> gpg anything gets scary quick
[03:54] <Unit193> Kidding, presume you've seen the xfce list. :P
[04:00] <bluesabre> Oh jeez, the xfce release manager needs lots of love
[04:09] <bluesabre> soooooo tired
[04:09] <bluesabre> night alllll
[04:09] <Unit193> G'nighty, Sean.
[07:52] <flocculant> Unit193: out of cave again now ...
[07:54] <flocculant> bluesabre Unit193 - thanks for uploads 
[07:54] <flocculant> I expect :p
[07:56] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: marked 16.04.2 ready
[08:00] <Unit193> Sure, have fun.
[08:08] <eladhen> Hi all, Simon Steinbeiß suggested I ask here how best to help with testing Xfce. He suggested talking with flocculant and akxwi-dave. 
[08:17] <flocculant> eladhen: I'm off shortly but, basically we here test xubuntu, which is xfce based - that said lots of xfce people in here and we also test stuff for xfce as and when asked - good place to start would perhaps be chapters 4,5 and 6 of http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/part-subteams.html
[08:21] <eladhen> flocculant: I understand that there's a PPA for development packages...
[08:23] <flocculant> well there are ppa's 
[08:36] <Unit193> xfce4-gtk3 is likely what he's referring to.
[08:39] <Unit193> flocculant: I really hope thunar is still looking good, never really could hit that so can't dogfeed that one, but did the desktop.
[08:41] <Unit193> eladhen: We're pushing some of the stable gtk3 ports to the next release, but some of the development releases we're only pushing to ppa:xubuntu-dev/xfce4-gtk3
[09:22] <eladhen> Unit193: will this PPA work on 16.04 or should I install 16.10?
[09:23] <Unit193> Doesn't work at all on 16.04, most of the stuff is there for 16.10 but -notifyd is missing.
[09:27] <eladhen> Unit193: So you recommend I install 16.10 and use this PPA?
[09:28] <eladhen> Unit193: Or should I get a 17.04 ISO (is it available?)
[09:30] <Unit193> eladhen: I'm simply telling you what's there and what isn't.  Generally speaking 17.04 will have more of the components already, and has a newer GTK3 version too.
[09:30] <Unit193> I'd advise more towards the development release for testing.
[11:58] <flocculant> eladhen: as Unit193 said - except I'd say install development version for sure :)
[12:24] <knome> bluesabre, ping
[12:24] <knome> or Unit193 works as well if he's lurking
[15:08] <eladhen> flocculant: So, to help testing, should I install 17.04 daily and add the ppa:xubuntu-dev/xfce4-gtk3?
[16:37] <knome> or akxwi-dave ^
[16:52] <flocculant> eladhen: yup
[16:55] <eladhen> flocculant: Thanks. Installing it now.
[16:58] <flocculant> eladhen: I am assuming you're not constrained with downloads - you'll get updates more or less daily (not massive amounts usually)
[16:59] <eladhen> flocculant: I'm not constrained. No problem.
[16:59] <flocculant> then once you've got that set up - I've been testing xfce stuff for ochosi - usually either something from him via git, or master +patches in the 17.04 xubuntu
[17:02] <eladhen> flocculant: Hmm... not sure what you just said there...
[17:03] <flocculant> eladhen: set up xubuntu 17.04 then we'll talk more :)
[17:28] <flocculant> ochosi: so how would I get more involved in xfce testing? is there some group? or is just a random bun fight?
[17:50] <eladhen> flocculant: OK, finished installing 17.04 and the gtk3 ppa.
[17:54] <flocculant> eladhen: ok - so now use it daily - you'll be testing both xubuntu and xfce, watch the mailing list(s), idle in here - you'll see us asking for testing on 'things' as they're required
[17:54] <flocculant> eladhen: also - because I don't know exactly what you asked Simon - I'm guessing at what you're aiming at ;)
[17:56] <flocculant> eladhen: Simon is ochosi btw
[17:58] <flocculant> eladhen: for some examples of what we did lately - we tested thunar with a couple of sets of patches aimed at fixing some bugs, tested a new version of notifyd, new version of taskmanager - just waiting for some more to play with
[17:58] <flocculant> in and out for the next hour
[18:27] <eladhen> flocculant: OK. I asked simon how I can help in testing Xfce. Where can I get into the relevant mailing list?
[18:36] <flocculant> eladhen: ok - so by testing xubuntu development - you are testing xfce. mailing list is in the docs I gave you earlier (xubuntu-devel) and I guess the xfce-devel list at https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce4-dev
[18:38] <eladhen> flocculant: I'm absolutely fine with testing Xubuntu along the way. :)
[18:39] <Unit193> Feature Freeze.
[18:39] <flocculant> well - xubuntu dev version is probably in actuality pretty close to xfce dev version 
[18:40] <flocculant> eladhen: and given that Simon got you to talk to either me or akxwi-dave - then I would guess that to be his point of view as well 
[18:40] <flocculant> Unit193: yup
[18:40] <Unit193> Either that or he said he used Ubuntu.
[18:41] <flocculant> :)
[18:41] <eladhen> flocculant: Cool
[18:46] <eladhen> flocculant: Well, I'm now subscribed to both lists. Thanks for the help and I hope I'll be able to help after a long while of enjoying Xfce. 
[18:46] <Unit193> Pretty sure xfce4-settings stuff was somewhat experimental.
[18:47] <flocculant> oh yea 
[18:47] <flocculant> found issues in the 'new' 
[18:47]  * flocculant lost track of what he looked at recently :p
[19:05] <Unit193> Pushed the new notifyd to PPA.
[20:14] <Unit193> Meeting tomorrow 1700 local time work?
[20:14] <knome> whatever that is
[20:14] <knome> (:
[20:14] <flocculant> local to whoever doth read it? 
[20:15] <Unit193> 22:00:00 UTC 2017
[20:15] <knome> sounds doable
[20:15] <flocculant> yea - wfm
[20:15] <knome> (i need my utc clock on the panel right away)
[20:15] <knome> (and i need the panel in the right spot too)
[20:15] <flocculant> I can manage to -1 for 6 months of the year for utc
[20:15] <flocculant> well for 5.5 months of the year
[20:16] <Unit193> I can move it back or forward perhaps too.
[20:16] <knome> well 2/3 is easyish, and i do the conversion in my head but it gives me comfort to see the UTC time too...
[20:16] <flocculant> Unit193: that time's fine for me at least 
[20:18] <knome> 22UTC is better than later
[20:18] <flocculant> I'd agree with that
[20:20] <knome> oh, arial
[20:21] <knome> oh wait, wrong channel
[20:21] <flocculant> :p
[20:25] <pleia2> woo, lovexubuntu goodies made it safely to our winners in Sweden, Bangladesh and Israel
[20:25] <pleia2> I expect the Florida one too, but I didn't ask for confirm and that one's in my country... no word from Ukraine, fingers crossed
[20:26] <knome> \o/
[20:26] <pleia2> I told them to contact me if they don't receive something by March
[20:26] <flocculant> noto ways about it knome - you beat me to the \o/ there
[20:26] <flocculant> pleia2: nice :)
[22:17] <knome> bluesabre, Unit193: PLEASE add a new default shortcut; super+S for the settings manager
[22:20] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/EvPLMvsSyXkSzXZPTy1i/ there you go!
[22:21] <knome> yes
[22:21] <knome> ;)
[22:40] <bluesabre> lol
[22:40] <bluesabre> evening all
[22:40] <Unit193> Howdy.
[22:40] <bluesabre> hey Unit193 
[22:46] <Unit193> bluesabre: Meeting.
[22:47] <bluesabre> 5pm tomorrow
[22:47] <bluesabre> nope
[22:47] <bluesabre> Tuesday
[22:47] <bluesabre> :D
[22:47] <bluesabre> Wait
[22:47] <bluesabre> Tomorrow
[22:47] <bluesabre> Dang it Unit193
[22:47] <bluesabre> :D
[22:48] <bluesabre> Tue Feb 17 22:00 UTC 2017
[22:48] <Unit193> AHahaha. :D
[22:48] <Unit193> Already got an email on that.
[22:49] <bluesabre> :)
[22:49] <Unit193> bluesabre: Change of plans, it's in 10 minutes! :P
[22:49] <bluesabre> :ooooooo
[22:57] <Unit193> Never got xfdashy in. :/
[23:03] <Unit193> There's a fair number using the GTK3 PPA, now if they'd only report back..
[23:10] <bluesabre> :D
[23:11] <bluesabre> We could work on some feedback gtk modules
[23:21] <tracker7> -
[23:21] <knome> +
[23:21] <Unit193> *
[23:42] <bluesabre> √
[23:52] <Unit193> I figured xfce4-notifyd had new features, so not after FF hit. :P