[00:00] <wxl> DarinMiller: can you comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oem-config/+bug/1638473 about version and such
[00:00] <DarinMiller> do you have the bois option for a VM machine?
[00:01] <wxl> hm?
[00:02] <DarinMiller> something like this: https://www.howtogeek.com/213795/how-to-enable-intel-vt-x-in-your-computers-bios-or-uefi-firmware/
[00:02] <wxl> oh yeah think so
[00:02] <wxl> pretty sure it's already enabled
[00:04] <DarinMiller> OK.  My bios is UEFI, Intel VT-x enabled,  on NVidia hw (<- adding to the bug notes...)
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[00:07] <wxl> sorry i'm sorry. i don't actually have vt-x
[00:09] <wxl> what really sucks is i don't seem to be able to ubuntu-bug oem-config
[00:09] <DarinMiller> It may be called something different.  Legacy or UEFI bios?
[00:09] <wxl> well i don't have the vmx or svm flags so i don't really have the nicer virtualization support
[00:09] <sintre> or uefi bios doing a legacy mimick
[00:10] <wxl> it's legacy
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[00:15] <wxl> i think i'm going to update virtualbox
[00:18] <DarinMiller> In my legacy BIOS, the option is called Virtualization.
[00:19] <DarinMiller> afk for a bit....
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[00:46] <wxl> valorie: i'm not yet sure we want to add https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oem-config/+bug/1638473 to the list of bugs. mparillo and i got it in vbox but no problem from DarinMiller, both on vbox and real hardware
[00:54] <valorie> eh
[00:54] <valorie> how many people will run oem-config?
[00:55] <valorie> I honestly do not know of one person who has, except in testing
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 Doesn't mean people don't use it
[01:20] <mparillo> But I would be surprised of OEMs are configuring VM guests.
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[04:00] <valorie> news story published
[04:00] <tsimonq2> Working on Lubuntu's ATM too :P
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 Lubuntu is good to go
[04:38] <DarinMiller> valorie: the kubuntu website still advertises 16.04.1 on the downloads page
 Night o/
 @DarinMiller, Oh shoot Lubuntu does too
[04:38] <DarinMiller> Nite simon
 No big deal, I'll fix tomorrow
 Night Darin
 valorie: Announce on kubuntu-devel please
 Just copy/paste what you put on the site if you want :P
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[04:51] <valorie> oh, good point!
[04:52] <valorie> I might be able to fix the downloads page
[04:52] <valorie> I'll try
 Excellent ;)
 Well I think I'll actually try to sleep now :P
 Night o/
[04:58] <valorie> sweet dreams
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[05:01] <valorie> I don't think I fixed the download page, although I updated the heading
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[05:18] <DarinMiller> Valorie: Are you still working on the Download webpage?  The text advertises 16.04.2 but really points to .1 (Alternates download webpage also needs updated.)
[05:26] <DarinMiller> valorie: if you can edit the source text, s/16.04.1/16.04.2
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[05:30] <DarinMiller> valorie: on the alternate page, the checksum also need updated (find those here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/16.04.2/release/SHA1SUMS )
[05:32] <valorie> DarinMiller: I can't change that stuff
[05:32] <valorie> I don't know how or have enough permissions
[05:32] <DarinMiller> OK. np.  
[05:33] <valorie> not sure what happened to ahoneybun or ovidiu-florin who usually do that stuff
[05:33] <DarinMiller> That reminds me, I have not applied for Kubuntu membership....
[05:35] <valorie> dooooo eeeeet
[05:36] <DarinMiller> will do shortly :)
[05:36] <valorie> good to hear
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[05:55]  * DarinMiller does not have a personal ubuntu wiki yet.. waiting for ubuntu-wiki-editors approval....
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[08:23] <valorie> probably will not be back until Sat. night, although I might look at Telegram
[08:27] <lordievader> Good morning.
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[10:43] <acheronuk> santa_: libgpgme11-dev from 1.7.0 used to provide the libgpgme-pthread.so symlink. no such symlink in any -dev package for 1.8.0, even through libgpgme-pthread.so.11 exists in the libgpgme11 libs package itself 
[10:43] <santa_> wtf
[10:44] <acheronuk> hence that kf5-kdepim-apps-libs failure I think?
[10:44] <santa_> acheronuk: k, added for my today todo, I will dig into it soon
[10:44] <acheronuk> or at least 1st level cause anyway. who knows
[10:45] <acheronuk> santa_: thanks. I have to go out now until later this afternoon, so was just throwing that info to the wind
[10:46] <acheronuk> + of cource on arches with no building 1.8.0 the test fetches the 1.7.0 dev packages, and no issue/fail
[10:49] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:49] <santa_> acheronuk: ack, thank you for putting it on the table :)
[10:50] <santa_> BluesKaj: morning
[10:50] <BluesKaj> 'Morning santa_
[11:11] <ejat> hi ... anyone here use kingsoft wps ? 
[11:30] <blaze> ejat: you mean office?
[12:31] <tsimonq2> acheronuk, santa_, clivejo: http://people.ubuntu.com/~tsimonq2/kubuntu-desktop.pdf
[12:38] <santa_> tsimonq2: I presume it's a graph (it doesn't even load properly here), what is it?
[12:41]  * santa_ tries to see a node name, but still ....
[12:41] <santa_> ah, ok
[12:42] <tsimonq2> santa_: Yeah :P
[12:42] <santa_> tsimonq2: so they are binary packages with dependencies, right?
[12:42] <tsimonq2> santa_: debtree --with-suggests kubuntu-desktop | dot -Tpdf -o dependency-map.pdf
[12:42] <tsimonq2> santa_: <3 debtree
[12:43] <santa_> aha
[12:43] <santa_> well you can try this (I didn't try myself):
[12:44] <santa_> debtree --with-suggests kubuntu-desktop > dep-map.dot
[12:44] <tsimonq2> Yeah I know, I've done THAT before.
[12:44] <tsimonq2> santa_: This is just one less step, just piping the thing in.
[12:45] <santa_> tred dep-map.dot
[12:45] <tsimonq2> tred?
[12:45] <tsimonq2> !info tred
[12:45] <santa_> it's in the graphviz package
[12:46] <tsimonq2> Ohhhhhh k
[12:46] <tsimonq2> Trying then
[12:46] <tsimonq2> santa_: What's this do?
[12:46] <santa_> it performs transitive reduction, which is, in case you don't know, the following:
[12:47] <santa_> if you have a graph {a->b;b->c;a->c} it would remove the a->c edge
[12:47] <tsimonq2> Ah yes I learned "transitive" in Geometry last semester :P
[12:48] <tsimonq2> Ah so cool
[12:48] <tsimonq2> santa_: Can I pipe debtree to tred to dot?
[12:49] <santa_> I think tred just changes the file given right away
[12:49] <tsimonq2> Yeah, if this will take a while then I'm a no go unfortunately. I have to leave in 5 mins...
[12:49]  * tsimonq2 Ctrl + Cs
[12:50] <santa_> but I don't remember, maybe it spits the result to stdout
[12:51] <santa_> tsimonq2: in case you are curious, the code of KA to make graphs is in lib/kagraph.py it uses a library which deals with graphviz
[12:52] <santa_> outside that class I'm doing a transitive reduction, so the final thing won't look like the FSM
[12:53] <santa_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster
[12:58] <ahoneybun> hey look my man!
[12:58] <ahoneybun> ^
 ❤️ ️ my spaghetti lord
[13:03]  * ahoneybun installs Hitman on his Desktop soee_
[13:06] <soee_> :O
[13:06] <soee_> ahoneybun: tell me later how you liked it :)
[13:07] <ahoneybun> got the intro and episode 1 for 8 bucks
[13:07] <soee_> how many episodes there are ?
[13:08] <soee_> i see some full experience pack https://www.g2a.com/hitman-steam-cd-key-global-1.html
[13:09] <ahoneybun> no idea just going to try it out
[13:13] <santa_> ahoneybun: that's a cool game, which version?
 The newest one should be good
[16:00] <DarinMiller> good morning ahoneybun
[16:02] <DarinMiller> When you have a moment, could you update the download pages to point to 16.04.2?
[17:39]  * acheronuk yawns
[17:40] <acheronuk> too many "in progress" autopgktests. hurry up damn you....
[17:45]  * clivejo kicks Britney
[17:47] <acheronuk> poor Britney. the songs are awful, but probably don't deserver that
[18:07] <acheronuk> santa_: ok. if I build kf5-kdepim-apps-libs_16.04.3-0ubuntu1 for amd64 in a pbuilder with proposed, it fails in the same way the autopkgtests are
[18:08] <acheronuk> if I let that drop to a shell and then manually 'ln -s /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgpgme-pthread.so.11 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgpgme-pthread.so' and re-run the build, it succeeds
[18:10] <santa_> acheronuk: ack, I'm busy with something else
[18:11] <acheronuk> santa_: no probs. just recording findings
 👍
[18:21]  * DarinMiller is glad to see someone else tries "ln -s" hacks when stuff is missing...
[19:11] <santa_> acheronuk: we don't have indi suport in kstars?
[19:12] <acheronuk> santa_: we don't have the required version apparently. clivejo was looking at that the other day
 So @acheronuk @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie clivejo Santa santa_: When can we drop KDE 4 support in devel? :P
[19:14] <acheronuk> santa_: libindi is in our packageset though it seems, so maybe we can sort that
[19:27] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: when everything KDE4 is killed off and not needed
 Then let's go around and start killing 😈
[19:28] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: baloo KDE4 stuff is still on the iso - that is a likely prime candidate for execution
[19:29] <acheronuk> k3b will hopefully get it's KF5 verion through into release at some point.
[19:44] <santa_> clivejo: status update @ libindi whenever you are around please
[19:47] <clivejo> nothing really to update.  The one in the archive is too old for the master branch of kstars.  So I copied a build of 1.31 in the KCI unstable PPA to get kstars to build again 
[19:50] <acheronuk> 16.12 has "INDI (required version >= 1.3.1)" as well, so is there a stable build we can maybe FFE in?
[19:54] <clivejo> oh, didnt realise that
[19:54] <santa_> clivejo: ok, well there is a bug in master which breaks the build without libindi (of course I'm not saying we shouldn't update libindi at some point)
[19:57] <clivejo> Cmake seems to think INDI is optional
[19:57] <santa_> because it is
[19:58] <santa_> but someone broke it trying to fix something for android
[19:59] <clivejo> not optional in master, failing to build without it
[20:01]  * wxl stretches
[20:09] <santa_> it is, it's just a bug
[20:09] <clivejo> can it be patched?
[20:10] <santa_> yes, I will deal with it
[20:28]  * tsimonq2 elbows wxl 
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[22:57] <clivejo> makes a good point - https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website/+bug/1429485
[22:58] <clivejo> k3b kf5 port still uses md5sum
[23:00] <clivejo> anyone seen Ovi recently?
[23:03]  * clivejo taps the mic
[23:03] <clivejo> is this thing on?
[23:04] <clivejo> !info plasma-desktop
[23:15]  * acheronuk winces as the mic/amp whines
[23:16] <clivejo> I thought I was alone!
[23:17] <genii> Are you guys doing a podcast/BBB thing?
[23:18] <acheronuk> genii: specifically what 'thing'?
[23:19] <acheronuk> podcast is 1st week of every month or thereabouts
[23:20] <genii> Yeah, I try to catch them but I don't idle in #kubuntu-podcast normally
[23:22] <acheronuk> next will be very beginning of March then I believe
[23:26] <genii> Thanks :)