[02:00] <waylundy> heard kde was stable now, and 16.10 fixed many issues found in 16.04.....
[02:00] <waylundy> found some things crashing already
[02:01] <waylundy> which has been a bummer bv i've been enjoying it otherwise
[02:01] <waylundy> korganizer crashin'
[02:01] <waylundy> instant messing crashing
[02:02] <waylundy> connecting a second monitor makes it act funny, default panel disappears, doesn't register new default monitor
[02:02] <sintre> 16.04.2 isn't live yet
[02:02] <sintre> i too have had duel monitor issues , most people have
[02:02] <waylundy> is this thing using wayland?
[02:02] <sintre> lets give it a few days , i have a odd problem with wifi netowkr connection app
[02:02] <waylundy> thats fedora right?
[02:03] <sintre> n clue about either
[02:03] <waylundy> but hell is it gorgeous
[02:03] <sintre> i aslo have certain apps that won't even open ect.
[02:03] <waylundy> esp. dark theme
[02:03] <waylundy> damn that stinks sintre
[02:04] <waylundy> are they the kde apps or others?
[02:04] <sintre> well i had a failed bug , which problally was on me for not checking the copy compared to the iso itself
[02:04] <sintre> others and some kde
[02:04] <waylundy> sheesh
[02:04] <sintre> i haven't upgraded this sytem yet
[02:04] <waylundy> i wonder if neon is more stable since it is more stripped down
[02:05] <sintre> still 16.04.1
[02:05] <waylundy> yeah, i heard it was buggy hence me going with 16.10
[02:05] <sintre> like imagemagik crashes un graphics won't even load
[02:05] <sintre> i honestly haven't gne thru all
[02:06] <waylundy> i heard on an interview on brian lunduke yt show, that kde developers want to make kde the "most productive desktop"
[02:06] <sintre> start up disk creator still fk****
[02:06] <waylundy> i haven't experience that to be the case.
[02:06] <waylundy> sheesh
[02:06] <waylundy> i gave up on start up disk creator a long time ago lol
[02:06] <sintre> its has alot of features that are usefull if that paticular person has use for said feature
[02:06] <waylundy> i think last time it worked really well for me was......9.10, 10.04 lol
[02:07] <sintre> i think duel monitor iissues is something they need to get fixed
[02:07] <waylundy> yeah, i think the lens is most productive = most configureable for any given work flow
[02:07] <sintre> but supposed its kick the can , thats i heard a qt team problem
[02:07] <sintre> for year you could ignore it , but every comptuer sold now will have the ability to out , so it like they're 10 years behind
[02:07] <waylundy> i think they should give up on some of the apps
[02:08] <sintre> i think they keep some out of tradition , but i agree they should ditch anything that doesn't have support
[02:08] <waylundy> to free up more time for more polish.
[02:08] <sintre> as i'm done complaining about half of them so i guess people just get ussed to work arounds
[02:09] <waylundy> i've wondered about getting mircast for a second monitor lol
[02:09] <waylundy> how is that for a workaround
[02:09] <waylundy> yeah,
[02:09] <sintre> better have identical resolutions
[02:09] <waylundy> yikes.
[02:10] <waylundy> guess another work around
[02:10] <waylundy> hah
[02:10] <sintre> clone displays as i know still won't output in the targt resolution unless identical to the host computers
[02:10] <waylundy> ah
[02:10] <waylundy> nm
[02:10] <sintre> so basicly you get crap display on one or the other
[02:11] <sintre> thats still in newest as well
[02:11] <sintre> but i still love kubuntu lol , way to much time investd in it
[02:11] <sintre> and i do my best to try to report issues
[02:11] <sintre> not always succesful though
[02:11] <waylundy> ive been a de whore
[02:11] <waylundy> jumped all over
[02:12] <waylundy> i was on mate for a while
[02:12] <waylundy> before that gnome 3
[02:12] <waylundy> then before that, i really wantedto make unity work
[02:13] <waylundy> and for a while i stuck through the growing pains
[02:13] <waylundy> how long you've been on kde?
[02:13] <sintre> well unfortately its like kick the blame can around
[02:14] <waylundy> hah that is a good way to put it
[02:14] <sintre> 4 years
[02:14] <waylundy> have you played around w solus ?
[02:14] <waylundy> or elementary?
[02:14] <sintre> but wasn't until last october when i forced to buy a new laptop that i got invo,lved in chats and learning more than how to update firefox lol
[02:14] <waylundy> i have a machine on each....
[02:14] <sintre> oon those two no sry i can't say i have
[02:15] <waylundy> yeah, after i get a new job and settled in i plan on learning how to code, and start reporting bugs and helping out
[02:15] <sintre> i hated windows 10 so much after it decided to update myself i installed kubuntu side by side on new laptop
[02:15] <waylundy>  i wanna learn more too...i just got on the irc thing myself.
[02:15] <sintre> i'll deal with work arounds before total control
[02:15] <waylundy> SERIOUSLY!
[02:16] <sintre> yea
[02:16] <waylundy> my dad is on win10 and they are literally popping up ads about microsoft 2016
[02:17] <waylundy> updates when it pleases w/o giving you all the details of what is going on
[02:17] <waylundy> no no no no no
[02:17] <sintre> besides it senidng everything you do to "homebase" the last aniversary edition made the cantora ai thing un removable , or made it uninstalable i should say
[02:17] <sintre> before you could turn it off completely
[02:17] <sintre> i don't want a program learning my "patterns"
[02:17] <waylundy> i literally try to avoid my macbook air as well, only using it for video editing
[02:17] <waylundy> yeah exactly....
[02:18] <sintre> yea but like alot of people here i'm the go to guy for friends and family for tgech support
[02:18] <waylundy> the one thing i do wish i had native was something like Onenote....yep same here.
[02:18] <sintre> so i need an install because i don't use it enough to talk anybody thru anything off the top of my head
[02:18] <waylundy> and for my church
[02:20] <sintre> actually next wibn10 update supposedly they're gonna lock it so you can't even roll back to a lesser version
[02:20] <waylundy> yeah not surprising
[02:20] <sintre> so control just got out of control
[02:20] <waylundy> scary stuff
[02:20] <sintre> nd i'm sure it'll screw my grub loader up as well , so more barrel of laughs
[02:21] <sintre> but so far kubuntu has held on lol
[02:21] <sintre> less time you give win 10 safer i am i guess
[02:21] <sintre> which is sad i'm scared of what a os might do ,
[02:21] <waylundy> yeah, i'm dual booting but just recently i had a "dcp Watchdog " error , so it doesn't let me get in my system unless i do a bunch of reboots
[02:22] <sintre> win 8 or 10 , or still holding on to 7?
[02:22] <sintre> ohh yea they shut down all windows 7 support hom version too
[02:22] <waylundy> win 10, originally out of curiousity
[02:22] <sintre> just forcing people to spywarewindows version 10
[02:23] <waylundy> then over the years i just got sick of it, esp. how shitty our gov. has been creeping in our stuff through these companies
[02:23] <sintre> only good thing is the linux user number will sky rocket
[02:23] <sintre> i switched over to linux as primary when they shut down xp support
[02:24] <waylundy> heard system76 website almost crashed at a recent apple unvailing
[02:24] <waylundy> ah
[02:24] <sintre> i've honestly never owned a single apple pc or phone
[02:24] <waylundy> yeah im on linux 90% of the time
[02:24] <sintre> and i'm proud of that
[02:25] <waylundy> well, im starting to consider going back to android but that stuff has google spyware all over it too
[02:25] <sintre> i have no choice to use it on my phone
[02:25] <sintre> but i have nothing on my phone
[02:25] <waylundy> i wish there were better options for those who want a phone that is free from that stuff and still be a smartphone.
[02:25] <sintre> i uses a cheapo 30 wanna be andoid smart phone i gtot for free not to cancel my service with virgin mobile
[02:26] <waylundy> i actually went to an old school bb 9900 not too long ago
[02:26] <waylundy>  but it had shitty reception for gsm
[02:27] <waylundy> i actually loved it, it felt great felt like time went by slower and had more focus....damn youtube app is constantly getting me
[02:27] <waylundy> my wife was getting pissed my phone calls kept dropping
[02:27] <waylundy> lol
[02:27] <sintre> i kinda had to upgrade because of a credit card company as well used a flip phone
[02:28] <sintre> couldn't text
[02:28] <waylundy> yeah i needed text, hence the bb full keyboard.
[02:28] <sintre> for fraud protection reason theyll send you a text and say answer 1 back if you are try to make this purchase
[02:28] <sintre> and aother anooying crap like that
[02:28] <waylundy> ah yeah
[02:29] <sintre> until thier system "learns" your spending patterns
[02:29] <waylundy> also when i get more time, wanna get nextcloud installed
[02:29] <sintre> i had a card shut down for buying  atoilet plunger once then going to burger king
[02:29] <sintre> i'm like really?
[02:29] <waylundy> lol
[02:29] <sintre> supposedly i'm on the prowl with the card lol
[02:29] <waylundy> well, sometimes those fast food places get ya, and the next purchase is that
[02:30] <waylundy> surprised they didn't think that was natural
[02:30] <sintre> gyuuess fast food is cc fraud central thieves get hungry
[02:30] <waylundy> do you use nextcloud?
[02:30] <sintre> lets move over to kubuntu-offtopic
[02:31] <waylundy> ah ok
[07:19] <user|99785> how to screensaver
[08:27] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:49] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:44] <kustodian> Would it help you guys if I reported bugs for the Kubuntu development version? I managed to upgrade to the development version by mistake :D
[13:48] <lordievader> kustodian: Yes, ofcourse.
[13:48] <lordievader> !bugs | kustodian
[13:49] <lordievader> Simply mark the right version.
[13:49] <kustodian> cool, thx
[13:49] <kustodian> since I'm on it by mistake, why not get the best of it
[13:49] <kustodian> I feel like I'm using Arch, every day there are updates xD
[13:58] <Guest63310> how to backup my apps/softwares installed in my system?
[14:18] <hateball> Guest63310: do you mean to clone to another system or backup your entire machine?
[14:18] <Guest63310> save my apps
[14:18] <Guest63310> like latex; vagrant etc.
[14:20] <Guest63310> #hateball
[14:20] <hateball> Guest63310: I see you're crossposting in #ubuntu so I'll let them help you
[14:21] <Guest63310> you're right, but will it work in kubuntu
[14:22] <hateball> Guest63310: yes
[14:22] <Guest63310> thank you
[15:04] <kustodian> lordievader: I reported here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-desktop/+bug/1665668, but I can't seem to find a way to select a version of Kubuntu/Ubuntu
[15:36] <lordievader> kustodian: You really want to add more info. What did you do, what did you expect, what happend? What version of plasma, kubuntu, etc were you using.
[15:36] <lordievader> Read the reporting bugs link of earlier ;)
[15:37] <kustodian> lordievader: I know how to report detailed bug reports, but I just didn't do anything, just upgraded to the development version
[15:37] <kustodian> doesn't work from when I upgraded :(
[15:37] <kustodian> I tried removing it, adding it again, etc
[15:37] <kustodian> nothing helped
[15:38] <lordievader> Still, this bug report will likely be ignored...
[15:38] <kustodian> I thought it was a bug in the latest KDE version
[15:38] <kustodian> do you have the latest one?
[15:38] <kustodian> does Icon Only work for you?
[15:39] <kustodian> I mean right click does it work
[16:29] <lordievader> kustodian: On my Plasma 5.9.2 on Gentoo it works fine.
[16:29] <kustodian> I'm on 5.9.1, don't see .2 update yet
[16:30] <lordievader> Kubuntu might not have it yet ;)
[16:30] <kustodian> I tried it on a new user, still the same.
[16:30] <kustodian> we'll see what happens when they update to .2
[17:07] <acheronuk> kustodian: plasma in 17.04 is in a bit in a half/half state with some having updated to 5.9.1 and some still 5.8.5. reason being that we can upload it, but it takes time (and crowbars) to run all the archives QA and migration tests. ideally you would have the whole of plasma migrate to release in one go, but the system is not really designed for big package suites of 40-70 source packages, so you will end up with a transitional state where
[17:07] <acheronuk> some features may be broken for a while
[17:09] <acheronuk> for example: http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/ka-iron-hand_reports/plasma_archive/5.9.1_zesty_proposed_migration.pdf
[17:10] <acheronuk> at a guess, I would say plasma workspace still being 5.8.5 in release may be the cause.
[17:11] <acheronuk> my full plasma release from our testing packages has no such issue
[17:16] <kustodian> acheronuk: thx, I guessed it will have issues like that, since it's development :D
[17:19] <acheronuk> kustodian: indeed. it's frustratingly slow to get a full plasma, frameworks or apps release all migrated to matching versions, but the release team get grumpy if we skip too many QA tests to speed it up (rightly so).
[18:48] <prichard> For some reason KMail will not show my IMAP account, can anyone help? I've looked at every menu  option and option I could and cannot get it to show my IMAP account
[18:49] <prichard> It just shows Local Folders
[19:50] <iac_sam> Hi there! I would like to ask about plasma version in Kubuntu 17.04
[19:51] <iac_sam> whean i apt-cache search for "plasma-desktop" i get: Version: 4:5.9.1-0ubuntu1
[19:51] <iac_sam> but in sysinfo there is still 8.5 version
[19:52] <iac_sam> >>kinfocenter, not sysinfo
[21:26] <MichaelTunnell> how to start the akonadi service if it isnt currently running
[21:27] <MichaelTunnell> no command seems to exist for starting it so I suppose systemd thing but not sure
[21:30] <MichaelTunnell> nevermind needed it for zanshin but zanshin is super old in Kubuntu/Ubuntu so it doesnt even support Qt5 yet so meh oh well.
[21:44] <marketa> hello! I have a laptop with i3 CPU, how is it possible that lspci doesnt show the integrated intel GPU ??
[21:45] <marketa> i have checked the specs of the CPU and it indeed has an integrated GPU
[21:50] <marketa> please help?
[22:29] <honza_> what is this?