[09:00] <willcooke> morning all, happy Friday
[09:01] <Laney> morning
[09:02] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:02] <willcooke> lo Laney davmor2
[09:03] <Laney> what a nice day!
[09:03]  * Laney has been outside tending to the worms this morning
[09:03] <willcooke> Laney, did you get a wormary?
[09:03] <Laney> yeah, got it last year
[09:03] <willcooke> woo
[09:03] <Laney> I can't tell if any of them are still alive
[09:03] <willcooke> ha!
[09:03] <Laney> they don't do much in the winter
[09:03] <Laney> quite a lot of unwormed food ...
[09:03] <Laney> ...
[09:04] <Laney> when I can unwrap it in a month or so I'll dig down to the middle and see
[09:05] <Laney> I went to a talk by the worm lady on Tuesday
[09:05] <Laney> she said she puts hers indoors for winter
[09:05] <seb128> good morning u.k
[09:05] <willcooke> hey seb128
[09:05] <willcooke> Laney, have you got a shed?
[09:05] <Laney> hey seb128!
[09:05] <Laney> willcooke: nein
[09:05] <Laney> well, there is one at the allotment but that's not helpful :P
[09:06] <willcooke> . . o O (UK comes online and talk turns to sheds immediately)
[09:06] <Laney> it doesn't atually smell, so would be ok in the kitchen
[09:06] <Laney> not the most attractive object ever though
[09:06] <Laney> :D
[09:06] <willcooke> :)
[09:06] <Laney> what a life
[09:07] <Laney> seb128: how's it going?
[09:07]  * desrt is thinking about getting a shed
[09:07] <seb128> good, it's friday!
[09:07] <desrt> you know... to put stuff in
[09:07] <desrt> maybe like, to go and hang out in... drink a beer...
[09:07] <willcooke> I was going to buy a gold fish for my water butt - it could eat all the insect larvea, but the pet shop man said a) I was mental and b) you can't put a gold fish from the shop outside in winter, need to wait for summer
[09:07] <desrt> (i've never had a shed.  am i doing this right?)
[09:07] <seb128> though my back is a bit blocked, woke up yesterday with it
[09:07] <willcooke> desrt, a shed is a wonderful thing
[09:09]  * Laney gives seb128 some hot stones
[09:09] <seb128> thanks!
[09:10] <Laney> shed at the allotment contains tea making facilities
[09:10] <didrocks> hey desktoppers! :)
[09:11] <willcooke> morning didrocks
[09:11] <willcooke> didrocks, getting any sleep yet?
[09:11] <didrocks> willcooke: yeah, we are quite lucky, baby only wakes up when hungry
[09:11] <desrt> omg it's like all the favourite people
[09:11] <didrocks> and we finally got him to eat every 4h \o/
[09:12] <desrt> :D
[09:12] <desrt> * dadrocks continues training
[09:12] <desrt> *** level up!
[09:12] <didrocks> yeah, clearly in progress training :)
[09:13] <didrocks> I don't declare victory yet, it seems you can level down quite easily :p
[10:49] <jbicha> good morning
[10:51] <Henster> whoop whoop
[11:03] <flexiondotorg> Morning desktopers. I'm in Blue Fin today.
[11:03] <flexiondotorg> Out this afternoon talking to some organisations about snaps.
[11:13] <davmor2> Laney, seb128: latest round of zesty upgrade have left me with no working ethernet and no work vpn
[11:16] <Laney> it would be good to know what you upgraded
[11:17] <davmor2> Laney: yeah just getting it from history.log
[11:17] <davmor2> Laney: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24013034/
[11:17] <jbicha> davmor2: you use NM right? do you have -proposed enabled?
[11:19] <davmor2> jbicha: yes the NM, no to proposed
[11:19] <didrocks> Laney: just answered you on https://github.com/ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/issues/53 FYI
[11:19] <didrocks> I'm tempted to close it, or do you have any better idea to reach the real $HOME?
[11:20] <didrocks> I even asked upstream to export an env variable to us, was said needing considering
[11:20] <Laney> hey didrocks ;-)
[11:21] <didrocks> happy Friday! :)
[11:21] <Laney> can you have a label saying that it's blocked on upstream?
[11:21] <Laney> well, up to you
[11:21] <jbicha> davmor2: 2 things that changed yesterday are network-manager and systemd
[11:21] <Laney> it's not that important
[11:21] <Laney> happy friday to youuuu
[11:21] <didrocks> Laney: let me see if I can create that
[11:22] <didrocks> done! :)
[11:25] <Laney> davmor2: I would ask happyaron and/or cyphermox about network stuff
[11:25] <Laney> didrocks: ♥
[11:27] <davmor2> jbicha: I see nm1.4.401ubuntu1 got installed as did openvpn 3.23.90-0ubuntu1 so that could well be my issue
[11:27] <davmor2> Laney: will do
[11:28]  * Laney upgrades to experience this pain too
[11:28] <Laney> huh, how did glib get in?
[11:29] <Laney> I was going to investigate the test failures
[11:29] <Laney> meh, skipped
[11:30] <jbicha> Laney: I uploaded gobject-introspection to zesty for you since it should be updated alongside glib
[11:31] <Laney> "for me"
[11:31] <jbicha> well if you update one, you should update the other, right?
[11:37] <davmor2> Laney: that was why I had to reboot half my apps wouldn't open due to incompatibility
[13:43] <jbicha> willcooke: snap://moon-buggy works for me on zesty, did you kill gnome-software first (or log out and log in)?
[13:44] <willcooke> jbicha, hey!  Yeah, I reboot as well just in case
[13:44] <willcooke> This is on X
[13:44] <willcooke> well, correection, this is on my X desktop - which maaaaaybe I've fiddled with
[13:44] <willcooke> I'll try it on a vanilla install
[13:46] <greyback> desrt: hey, could you spare me a minute to help me with a problem I'm having with gtk apps: http://imgur.com/a/vbpJe
[13:47] <greyback> seems there are widgets which have a background color set as fully transparent
[13:47] <greyback> I've no idea how that could have happened however. I've not messed with any theme afaik
[13:47] <willcooke> greyback, which release are you on?  I think we still have some theme issues on Z
[13:47] <greyback> willcooke: yep, am on zesty
[13:48] <willcooke> I also notice that they're not the tabs with the dark and light tabs (where light is the currently selected one)
[13:48] <willcooke> I think this is probably "just" a theme bug
[13:49] <jbicha> greyback: what app is that?
[13:49] <greyback> willcooke: Correct. Yeah probably theme, I just wasn't sure if I had done that or not
[13:49] <attente> terminator?
[13:49] <greyback> jbicha: terminator
[13:49] <attente> which is gtk2 iirc
[13:49] <jbicha> and try setting the theme to Adwaita before blaming light-themes
[13:49] <willcooke> that explains the dark/light tabs then
[13:51] <jbicha> maybe try terminix?
[13:51] <greyback> jbicha: correct command? gconftool-2 --set --type string /desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_theme Adwaita
[13:51] <greyback> I also see it in gcalc
[13:51] <greyback> just for the input widget, making it hard to use
[13:52] <jbicha> uh, can't you just use System Settings>Appearance to change the theme? (which uses gsettings) for Adwaita, you need to install gnome-themes-standard for gtk2 support
[13:54] <jbicha> honestly, I don't think I use any gtk2 apps any more (I don't think chromium-browser really counts here)
[13:55] <greyback> jbicha: adwaita theme does fix the issue, thanks. But I'm not a fan of the theme :)
[13:56] <qengho> FWIW, the Chromium coming up in ~10 weeks switches to GTK3.
[13:56] <jbicha> greyback: thanks, that confirms it's probably light-themes then
[13:57] <greyback> for the record, I'm using the default ubuntu "Ambiance" theme
[13:57] <jbicha> qengho: say hi to Trump tomorrow, he's campaigning in Orlando to be President of the US I here
[13:58] <greyback> ah, light-themes supplies Ambiance. Ok, now I follow
[13:58] <jbicha> I hear
[14:00] <qengho> Don't troll me.
[14:11] <cyphermox> davmor2: Laney: on upgrade for zesty; you get a new openvpn which gets rid of an old deprecated option that we use for the Canonical VPN
[14:12] <cyphermox> you'll want to replace tls-remote with verify-x509-name in the config if you use openvpn directly (along with the relevant changes to its value), or in the NM openvpn config, change a drop-down in the advanced window
[14:13] <cyphermox> under TLS Authentication, the first drop-down should now be "Verify name exactly", and you want to remove "/CN="
[14:14] <cyphermox> ^ this is relevant to anyone who upgraded openvpn or is about to, really.
[14:19] <davmor2> cyphermox: that might be a good one to send out to allhands maybe
[14:28] <seb128> k, I'm dropping from IRC a bit earlier today, going to a weeding this w.e so taking the train, going to work offline a bit there (or might be back online if they have wifi working)
[14:29] <seb128> have a nice w.e desktopers
[14:29] <willcooke> see ya seb128 !
[14:29] <cyphermox> davmor2: yeah, IS is supposed to.
[14:29] <desrt> have fun seb128 !
[14:30] <seb128> thanks
[14:41] <Laney> greyback: terminator became gtk3
[14:41] <Laney> try this: https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/terminator/gtk3.20-embedded-css/+merge/316094
[14:41] <Laney> I should probably upload that
[14:43] <greyback> Laney: cool, let me try that
[14:49] <greyback> Laney: works! Thank you
[14:58] <Laney> no worries
[14:59] <attente> desrt: hey, how do you test your proxy?
[14:59] <Laney> cyphermox: thx for the tip
[14:59] <Laney> actually the config had it in already but commented out
[14:59] <desrt> attente: i get a shell inside of a confined app and i send messages
[15:00] <Laney> with a note saying that NM wanted the old thing :)
[15:00] <desrt> attente: but you can also get the dconf library built in the branch and set an envvar to tell it to talk to the proxy
[15:00] <attente> desrt: does that mean you have multiple running instances of dconf-service?
[15:01] <desrt> no
[15:01] <desrt> the proxy is a separate process
[15:02] <desrt> i use the proxy from the tree against the system dconf service
[15:02] <desrt> you always have one system dconf and one proxy
[15:02] <desrt> wanna duo?
[15:04] <attente> desrt: sure
[15:05] <desrt> "william hua is unavailable"
[15:05] <desrt> i wait for you to call me :)
[15:06] <attente> duo needs camera and microphone access o.O
[15:06] <desrt> ! those assholes
[16:22] <Laney> funky song funky song
[17:16] <Laney> 1) just saw a man shouting at a pigeon for flying too close to the main road
[17:16] <Laney> 2) going to take off a few minutes early to catch a choo choo
[17:41] <willcooke> LOL
[17:41] <willcooke> Have a good one Laney
[18:17] <willcooke> jbicha, installed a vm with Xenial and still broken here
[18:23] <willcooke> right, night all, hope you have a good weekend.
[22:12] <Henster> hey guys is there a official ubuntu server general chat?
[22:29] <sarnold> Henster: there's #ubuntu-server but it's perhaps more focussed than most people would associate with "general chat"
[23:43] <Henster> @sarnold sweet thanks
[23:43] <meetingology> Henster: Error: "sarnold" is not a valid command.
[23:45] <flocculant> :)