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wildlandervlt, leave your bug in ->> https://github.com/mate-desktop/marco/issues00:04
wildlander:)00:04
wildlanderhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt2nxyEIf7400:07
wildlanderto change marco00:07
juniorola00:44
juniorpessoal00:44
=== jcjordyn120 is now known as Forgorg
=== Forgorg is now known as jcjordyn120
alkisgvlt: I don't think marco supports arrow keys in alt+tab switching. It does support alt+tab for next and alt+shift+tab for previous. Does it work for you with the guest account?06:07
vltalkisg: I haven't tried especially the guest account but 3 other regular accounts. Alt+Tabbing more than one window doesn't work :-/07:10
alkisgvlt: which mate version is that?07:13
alkisgI've never seen that happen; e.g. does it also happen for you in the live cd?07:13
vltalkisg: This is the default "ubuntu-mate-desktop" package on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS.07:55
vltHaven't checked the live cd.07:55
alkisgvlt: I'm asking because many people add the ppa to get mate 1.1407:55
sorinello_Hello. Is Ubuntu made only for Apple Macs ?08:55
sorinello_because the description from the recommended architecture is extremely confusing for a newcommer08:55
alkisgWhere did you see that?08:57
* alkisg doesn't even find the word "apple" anywhere in https://ubuntu-mate.org/08:58
sorinello_alkisg, Download -> Ubuntu Mate 16.10 -> 64-bit last bullet" Modern Intel-based Apple Macs"09:00
sorinello_it sounds like it's made for Apple Mac :))09:00
sorinello_even though, I don't see Apple in the contributors list in the About Section09:01
* sorinello_ is confused09:01
alkisgThat's the 3rd option, see also the first 2 ones09:01
sorinello_First one is 64-bit, second is 32-bit, 3rd is PowerPC, 4th is Raspberry PI09:02
alkisgRight, so it supports many architectures, not just applet09:06
sorinello_I know. It's just  confusin for someone looking the "PC" keyword09:07
sorinello_just wanted to make you aware of the confusion09:07
alkisgsomeone that doesn't know that pc is 64bit?09:13
Astro7467think the confusion is if you read the list as 'and' but is a 'or' list - 1st two points for 64-bit & 32-bit can lead to the impression of 'and'09:14
alkisgMaybe it should be, x86 64-bit09:14
mate|70256hi, but mate 16.04.2 don't come with the new kernel and the new xorg stack?09:29
alkisgIt should, where did you see that it doesn't?09:30
mate|70256I'm asking I don't have seen news about it.09:32
Astro7467kernel would stay at latest 4.4. suspect new xorg out cos it would not be stable, else break something09:36
Astro746716.04.x is LTS, so the updates are typically patches or security related09:37
alkisgAstro7467: afaik, 16.04.2 means kernel 4.809:38
alkisghttp://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-04-2-lts-officially-released-with-linux-kernel-4-8-from-ubuntu-16-10-512758.shtml09:38
mate|70256yes, but the HWE packs for the Kernel and X aren't automatically installed onto existing non-point-release installs of Ubuntu.09:40
Astro7467sounds like it installs HWE - that's new but seems like a good idea for desktops09:41
sorinello_alkisg, Astro7467 : I didn't understood from the start, why do you specify Apple Macs there ?09:42
sorinello_I there any marketing gain from this ?09:42
sorinello_*is09:42
sorinello_why it is more for macs than for PC's ?09:42
Astro7467it's a suggested list of 'suitable for'09:43
mate|70256@Astro7467 is good for desktops that use amd, the new kernel and the new xorg stack seems to be very good09:43
mate|70256i tried to upgrade with the command sudo apt-get install --install-recommends xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04 but seems that this remove mate desktop09:45
Astro7467sorinello_, Apple's are called out specifically because they aren't PCs and have their own set of challenges.. I mean hardware stack that's different from normal PC09:46
Astro7467mate|70256: I guessing the repos aren't updated yet from my own dist-upgrade attempts09:48
alkisg(11:41:56 πμ) Astro7467: sounds like it installs HWE - that's new but seems like a good idea for desktops ==> it's been that way since at least 12.04...10:01
alkisgAstro7467: dist-upgrade won't get you to a newer hwe stack10:02
alkisghttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack10:04
Astro7467I hv the HWE meta-packages on my systems as my std config - just didn't know it was turned on during point releases previously tho10:04
alkisgEeesh trying to install the hwe stack uninstalls mate-desktop!!!10:17
alkisgflexiondotorg: ^10:17
alkisgsudo apt-get install --install-recommends xserver-xorg-hwe-16.0410:17
alkisgThe following packages will be REMOVED:10:18
alkisg  ubuntu-mate-core ubuntu-mate-desktop ...10:18
Astro7467alkisg - is it the --install-recommends causing the issue? I just tried without and no MATE packages listed for removal -  xorg's only10:23
alkisgAstro7467: do you have those mate packages installed?10:23
alkisgOr, do you have some ppa?10:23
alkisgI'm using a completely stock 16.04 installation with no mate PPAs involved10:24
alkisgI do wonder how 16.04.2 mate CDs could be produced then, if hwe breaks mate-desktop...10:24
Astro7467I'm 16.04 stock - plus MATE PPA's10:25
Astro7467I just added the --install-recommends and no MATE packages listed10:25
alkisgWhat's the output of: apt show ubuntu-mate-desktop | grep Depends10:26
alkisgFor me, it depends on xserver-xorg, so it gets uninstalled10:26
Astro7467^ ..xorg, xserver-xorg, xserver-xorg-input-all, xserver-xorg-video-all,..10:28
alkisgAnd you do have that installed, right?10:29
alkisgdpkg -l ubuntu-mate-desktop10:29
Astro7467no, don't have - I was doing a dpkg --list | grep -mate-10:30
Astro7467no -core or -desktop10:30
Astro7467guessing the PPA's broke them out10:30
alkisgProbably, you can search in /var/log/apt/history.log to see when and how they got uninstalled10:30
Astro7467neither -core nor -desktop mentioned in my apt/history.log10:38
Astro7467hangon, it's been archived a few times10:39
alkisgOK, this one does work: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04 xserver-xorg-input-all-hwe-16.0410:51
Astro7467I found the -desktop & -core removals - but unable to determine from the apt hist & term logs what caused them to be10:53
Astro7467suspect PPA10:53
alkisgCheck the apt command line that is logged at that point11:02
alkisgE.g. Command: apt-get install xxx11:02
Astro7467the cmd at that point looks to be a the install of hplp pkgs - was hoping to tie the removal with PPA install11:16
ubuntu-matehi12:09
GMDhi, do you know if 16.04.2 is somehow delayed for UbuMATE? i see that people have new point release already, but my installations (also Xubuntu one) are still on .1 version13:22
alkisgGMD: cat /etc/os-release, says .1?13:23
GMDyes13:24
alkisgsudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade13:24
alkisgDo you get updates packages after that?13:24
GMDalready done it13:24
GMDeverything up to date13:25
alkisgapt-cache policy base-files13:25
alkisgOutput of that?13:25
GMDhttp://pastebin.com/3e5LjRDi13:26
alkisgYour mirror doesn't have the latest packages yet13:27
alkisgIf you're in a hurry, you can run: software-properties-gtk,13:27
alkisgand select the main mirror13:27
GMDoh, i haven't thought about that; i was just curious what's happening, i'll wait13:28
GMDthanks a lot13:28
alkisgnp13:28
mate|70256why this command sudo apt install --install-recommends xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04 remove ubuntu-mate-core and ubuntu-mate-desktop?15:00
mate|70256how to update the hdw stack?15:01
alkisgmate|70256: do this:15:02
alkisgsudo apt install xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04 xserver-xorg-input-all-hwe-16.0415:02
alkisgIt seems like a bug in the ubuntu-mate-core dependencies...15:03
alkisgBut that command should bypass it15:03
mate|70256alkisg: but this command change only the graphical stack. And to change the kernel?15:04
alkisgmate|70256: you should see it pulling the kernel too15:05
mate|70256alkisg: have you updated?15:07
alkisgmate|70256: yes15:07
alkisgI'm on kernel 4.8 now, with that command, a few hours ago15:07
mate|70256alkisg: what do you think worth the upgrade?15:08
alkisgmate|70256: I didn't do any serious tests; but glxgears in vbox said 700 fps before, 850 after15:09
mate|70256alkisg: yep, seems nice. I have an amd apu and 2 amd gpu? I'm going to upgrade.15:10
mate|70256alkisg: thanks for your help, the commands that you have given me works perfectly15:10
alkisgCool15:11
wildlanderubuntu-mate 16.04.2 was released.18:02
wildlanderyay!18:02
paivaoi18:35
paivaalguem fala portugues18:36
paivaoi, tudo bem18:38
alvarohola20:29
alvaromuy buenas20:29
DarkPsydeLordoi21:23
DarkPsydeLordeu falo21:23
DarkPsydeLordoh! too late21:23
MenzadorAbla Português?21:23
MenzadorToo late for what? > Dark21:26
MenzadorDarkPsydeLord: ^21:26
DarkPsydeLordi know Menzador... i talk 3  more languages21:27
Menzador*speak21:27
DarkPsydeLordno21:27
MenzadorYou speak them21:27
DarkPsydeLordi talk with people in 3 other languages they kind of look at me thinking whats wrong with this guy21:27
DarkPsydeLordand they leave21:28
DarkPsydeLordusualy im alone because of this21:28
DarkPsydeLord:( its sad21:28
crankypusshowdy all.  i notice knode is not in the repo for 16.4 so is the only GUI nntp client in the repo icedove aka thunderbird? tia.22:47
crankypusstest23:35
crankypusscool...23:35

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