[00:04] <wildlander> vlt, leave your bug in ->> https://github.com/mate-desktop/marco/issues
[00:04] <wildlander> :)
[00:07] <wildlander> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt2nxyEIf74
[00:07] <wildlander> to change marco
[00:44] <junior> ola
[00:44] <junior> pessoal
[06:07] <alkisg> vlt: I don't think marco supports arrow keys in alt+tab switching. It does support alt+tab for next and alt+shift+tab for previous. Does it work for you with the guest account?
[07:10] <vlt> alkisg: I haven't tried especially the guest account but 3 other regular accounts. Alt+Tabbing more than one window doesn't work :-/
[07:13] <alkisg> vlt: which mate version is that?
[07:13] <alkisg> I've never seen that happen; e.g. does it also happen for you in the live cd?
[07:55] <vlt> alkisg: This is the default "ubuntu-mate-desktop" package on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS.
[07:55] <vlt> Haven't checked the live cd.
[07:55] <alkisg> vlt: I'm asking because many people add the ppa to get mate 1.14
[08:55] <sorinello_> Hello. Is Ubuntu made only for Apple Macs ?
[08:55] <sorinello_> because the description from the recommended architecture is extremely confusing for a newcommer
[08:57] <alkisg> Where did you see that?
[08:58]  * alkisg doesn't even find the word "apple" anywhere in https://ubuntu-mate.org/
[09:00] <sorinello_> alkisg, Download -> Ubuntu Mate 16.10 -> 64-bit last bullet" Modern Intel-based Apple Macs"
[09:00] <sorinello_> it sounds like it's made for Apple Mac :))
[09:01] <sorinello_> even though, I don't see Apple in the contributors list in the About Section
[09:01]  * sorinello_ is confused
[09:01] <alkisg> That's the 3rd option, see also the first 2 ones
[09:02] <sorinello_> First one is 64-bit, second is 32-bit, 3rd is PowerPC, 4th is Raspberry PI
[09:06] <alkisg> Right, so it supports many architectures, not just applet
[09:07] <sorinello_> I know. It's just  confusin for someone looking the "PC" keyword
[09:07] <sorinello_> just wanted to make you aware of the confusion
[09:13] <alkisg> someone that doesn't know that pc is 64bit?
[09:14] <Astro7467> think the confusion is if you read the list as 'and' but is a 'or' list - 1st two points for 64-bit & 32-bit can lead to the impression of 'and'
[09:14] <alkisg> Maybe it should be, x86 64-bit
[09:29] <mate|70256> hi, but mate 16.04.2 don't come with the new kernel and the new xorg stack?
[09:30] <alkisg> It should, where did you see that it doesn't?
[09:32] <mate|70256> I'm asking I don't have seen news about it.
[09:36] <Astro7467> kernel would stay at latest 4.4. suspect new xorg out cos it would not be stable, else break something
[09:37] <Astro7467> 16.04.x is LTS, so the updates are typically patches or security related
[09:38] <alkisg> Astro7467: afaik, 16.04.2 means kernel 4.8
[09:38] <alkisg> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-04-2-lts-officially-released-with-linux-kernel-4-8-from-ubuntu-16-10-512758.shtml
[09:40] <mate|70256> yes, but the HWE packs for the Kernel and X aren't automatically installed onto existing non-point-release installs of Ubuntu.
[09:41] <Astro7467> sounds like it installs HWE - that's new but seems like a good idea for desktops
[09:42] <sorinello_> alkisg, Astro7467 : I didn't understood from the start, why do you specify Apple Macs there ?
[09:42] <sorinello_> I there any marketing gain from this ?
[09:42] <sorinello_> *is
[09:42] <sorinello_> why it is more for macs than for PC's ?
[09:43] <Astro7467> it's a suggested list of 'suitable for'
[09:43] <mate|70256> @Astro7467 is good for desktops that use amd, the new kernel and the new xorg stack seems to be very good
[09:45] <mate|70256> i tried to upgrade with the command sudo apt-get install --install-recommends xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04 but seems that this remove mate desktop
[09:46] <Astro7467> sorinello_, Apple's are called out specifically because they aren't PCs and have their own set of challenges.. I mean hardware stack that's different from normal PC
[09:48] <Astro7467> mate|70256: I guessing the repos aren't updated yet from my own dist-upgrade attempts
[10:01] <alkisg> (11:41:56 πμ) Astro7467: sounds like it installs HWE - that's new but seems like a good idea for desktops ==> it's been that way since at least 12.04...
[10:02] <alkisg> Astro7467: dist-upgrade won't get you to a newer hwe stack
[10:04] <alkisg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[10:04] <Astro7467> I hv the HWE meta-packages on my systems as my std config - just didn't know it was turned on during point releases previously tho
[10:17] <alkisg> Eeesh trying to install the hwe stack uninstalls mate-desktop!!!
[10:17] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: ^
[10:17] <alkisg> sudo apt-get install --install-recommends xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04
[10:18] <alkisg> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[10:18] <alkisg>   ubuntu-mate-core ubuntu-mate-desktop ...
[10:23] <Astro7467> alkisg - is it the --install-recommends causing the issue? I just tried without and no MATE packages listed for removal -  xorg's only
[10:23] <alkisg> Astro7467: do you have those mate packages installed?
[10:23] <alkisg> Or, do you have some ppa?
[10:24] <alkisg> I'm using a completely stock 16.04 installation with no mate PPAs involved
[10:24] <alkisg> I do wonder how 16.04.2 mate CDs could be produced then, if hwe breaks mate-desktop...
[10:25] <Astro7467> I'm 16.04 stock - plus MATE PPA's
[10:25] <Astro7467> I just added the --install-recommends and no MATE packages listed
[10:26] <alkisg> What's the output of: apt show ubuntu-mate-desktop | grep Depends
[10:26] <alkisg> For me, it depends on xserver-xorg, so it gets uninstalled
[10:28] <Astro7467> ^ ..xorg, xserver-xorg, xserver-xorg-input-all, xserver-xorg-video-all,..
[10:29] <alkisg> And you do have that installed, right?
[10:29] <alkisg> dpkg -l ubuntu-mate-desktop
[10:30] <Astro7467> no, don't have - I was doing a dpkg --list | grep -mate-
[10:30] <Astro7467> no -core or -desktop
[10:30] <Astro7467> guessing the PPA's broke them out
[10:30] <alkisg> Probably, you can search in /var/log/apt/history.log to see when and how they got uninstalled
[10:38] <Astro7467> neither -core nor -desktop mentioned in my apt/history.log
[10:39] <Astro7467> hangon, it's been archived a few times
[10:51] <alkisg> OK, this one does work: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04 xserver-xorg-input-all-hwe-16.04
[10:53] <Astro7467> I found the -desktop & -core removals - but unable to determine from the apt hist & term logs what caused them to be
[10:53] <Astro7467> suspect PPA
[11:02] <alkisg> Check the apt command line that is logged at that point
[11:02] <alkisg> E.g. Command: apt-get install xxx
[11:16] <Astro7467> the cmd at that point looks to be a the install of hplp pkgs - was hoping to tie the removal with PPA install
[12:09] <ubuntu-mate> hi
[13:22] <GMD> hi, do you know if 16.04.2 is somehow delayed for UbuMATE? i see that people have new point release already, but my installations (also Xubuntu one) are still on .1 version
[13:23] <alkisg> GMD: cat /etc/os-release, says .1?
[13:24] <GMD> yes
[13:24] <alkisg> sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:24] <alkisg> Do you get updates packages after that?
[13:24] <GMD> already done it
[13:25] <GMD> everything up to date
[13:25] <alkisg> apt-cache policy base-files
[13:25] <alkisg> Output of that?
[13:26] <GMD> http://pastebin.com/3e5LjRDi
[13:27] <alkisg> Your mirror doesn't have the latest packages yet
[13:27] <alkisg> If you're in a hurry, you can run: software-properties-gtk,
[13:27] <alkisg> and select the main mirror
[13:28] <GMD> oh, i haven't thought about that; i was just curious what's happening, i'll wait
[13:28] <GMD> thanks a lot
[13:28] <alkisg> np
[15:00] <mate|70256> why this command sudo apt install --install-recommends xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04 remove ubuntu-mate-core and ubuntu-mate-desktop?
[15:01] <mate|70256> how to update the hdw stack?
[15:02] <alkisg> mate|70256: do this:
[15:02] <alkisg> sudo apt install xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04 xserver-xorg-input-all-hwe-16.04
[15:03] <alkisg> It seems like a bug in the ubuntu-mate-core dependencies...
[15:03] <alkisg> But that command should bypass it
[15:04] <mate|70256> alkisg: but this command change only the graphical stack. And to change the kernel?
[15:05] <alkisg> mate|70256: you should see it pulling the kernel too
[15:07] <mate|70256> alkisg: have you updated?
[15:07] <alkisg> mate|70256: yes
[15:07] <alkisg> I'm on kernel 4.8 now, with that command, a few hours ago
[15:08] <mate|70256> alkisg: what do you think worth the upgrade?
[15:09] <alkisg> mate|70256: I didn't do any serious tests; but glxgears in vbox said 700 fps before, 850 after
[15:10] <mate|70256> alkisg: yep, seems nice. I have an amd apu and 2 amd gpu? I'm going to upgrade.
[15:10] <mate|70256> alkisg: thanks for your help, the commands that you have given me works perfectly
[15:11] <alkisg> Cool
[18:02] <wildlander> ubuntu-mate 16.04.2 was released.
[18:02] <wildlander> yay!
[18:35] <paiva> oi
[18:36] <paiva> alguem fala portugues
[18:38] <paiva> oi, tudo bem
[20:29] <alvaro> hola
[20:29] <alvaro> muy buenas
[21:23] <DarkPsydeLord> oi
[21:23] <DarkPsydeLord> eu falo
[21:23] <DarkPsydeLord> oh! too late
[21:23] <Menzador> Abla Português?
[21:26] <Menzador> Too late for what? > Dark
[21:26] <Menzador> DarkPsydeLord: ^
[21:27] <DarkPsydeLord> i know Menzador... i talk 3  more languages
[21:27] <Menzador> *speak
[21:27] <DarkPsydeLord> no
[21:27] <Menzador> You speak them
[21:27] <DarkPsydeLord> i talk with people in 3 other languages they kind of look at me thinking whats wrong with this guy
[21:28] <DarkPsydeLord> and they leave
[21:28] <DarkPsydeLord> usualy im alone because of this
[21:28] <DarkPsydeLord> :( its sad
[22:47] <crankypuss> howdy all.  i notice knode is not in the repo for 16.4 so is the only GUI nntp client in the repo icedove aka thunderbird? tia.
[23:35] <crankypuss> test
[23:35] <crankypuss> cool...