[00:04] vlt, leave your bug in ->> https://github.com/mate-desktop/marco/issues [00:04] :) [00:07] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt2nxyEIf74 [00:07] to change marco [00:44] ola [00:44] pessoal === jcjordyn120 is now known as Forgorg === Forgorg is now known as jcjordyn120 [06:07] vlt: I don't think marco supports arrow keys in alt+tab switching. It does support alt+tab for next and alt+shift+tab for previous. Does it work for you with the guest account? [07:10] alkisg: I haven't tried especially the guest account but 3 other regular accounts. Alt+Tabbing more than one window doesn't work :-/ [07:13] vlt: which mate version is that? [07:13] I've never seen that happen; e.g. does it also happen for you in the live cd? [07:55] alkisg: This is the default "ubuntu-mate-desktop" package on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. [07:55] Haven't checked the live cd. [07:55] vlt: I'm asking because many people add the ppa to get mate 1.14 [08:55] Hello. Is Ubuntu made only for Apple Macs ? [08:55] because the description from the recommended architecture is extremely confusing for a newcommer [08:57] Where did you see that? [08:58] * alkisg doesn't even find the word "apple" anywhere in https://ubuntu-mate.org/ [09:00] alkisg, Download -> Ubuntu Mate 16.10 -> 64-bit last bullet" Modern Intel-based Apple Macs" [09:00] it sounds like it's made for Apple Mac :)) [09:01] even though, I don't see Apple in the contributors list in the About Section [09:01] * sorinello_ is confused [09:01] That's the 3rd option, see also the first 2 ones [09:02] First one is 64-bit, second is 32-bit, 3rd is PowerPC, 4th is Raspberry PI [09:06] Right, so it supports many architectures, not just applet [09:07] I know. It's just confusin for someone looking the "PC" keyword [09:07] just wanted to make you aware of the confusion [09:13] someone that doesn't know that pc is 64bit? [09:14] think the confusion is if you read the list as 'and' but is a 'or' list - 1st two points for 64-bit & 32-bit can lead to the impression of 'and' [09:14] Maybe it should be, x86 64-bit [09:29] hi, but mate 16.04.2 don't come with the new kernel and the new xorg stack? [09:30] It should, where did you see that it doesn't? [09:32] I'm asking I don't have seen news about it. [09:36] kernel would stay at latest 4.4. suspect new xorg out cos it would not be stable, else break something [09:37] 16.04.x is LTS, so the updates are typically patches or security related [09:38] Astro7467: afaik, 16.04.2 means kernel 4.8 [09:38] http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-04-2-lts-officially-released-with-linux-kernel-4-8-from-ubuntu-16-10-512758.shtml [09:40] yes, but the HWE packs for the Kernel and X aren't automatically installed onto existing non-point-release installs of Ubuntu. [09:41] sounds like it installs HWE - that's new but seems like a good idea for desktops [09:42] alkisg, Astro7467 : I didn't understood from the start, why do you specify Apple Macs there ? [09:42] I there any marketing gain from this ? [09:42] *is [09:42] why it is more for macs than for PC's ? [09:43] it's a suggested list of 'suitable for' [09:43] @Astro7467 is good for desktops that use amd, the new kernel and the new xorg stack seems to be very good [09:45] i tried to upgrade with the command sudo apt-get install --install-recommends xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04 but seems that this remove mate desktop [09:46] sorinello_, Apple's are called out specifically because they aren't PCs and have their own set of challenges.. I mean hardware stack that's different from normal PC [09:48] mate|70256: I guessing the repos aren't updated yet from my own dist-upgrade attempts [10:01] (11:41:56 πμ) Astro7467: sounds like it installs HWE - that's new but seems like a good idea for desktops ==> it's been that way since at least 12.04... [10:02] Astro7467: dist-upgrade won't get you to a newer hwe stack [10:04] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack [10:04] I hv the HWE meta-packages on my systems as my std config - just didn't know it was turned on during point releases previously tho [10:17] Eeesh trying to install the hwe stack uninstalls mate-desktop!!! [10:17] flexiondotorg: ^ [10:17] sudo apt-get install --install-recommends xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04 [10:18] The following packages will be REMOVED: [10:18] ubuntu-mate-core ubuntu-mate-desktop ... [10:23] alkisg - is it the --install-recommends causing the issue? I just tried without and no MATE packages listed for removal - xorg's only [10:23] Astro7467: do you have those mate packages installed? [10:23] Or, do you have some ppa? [10:24] I'm using a completely stock 16.04 installation with no mate PPAs involved [10:24] I do wonder how 16.04.2 mate CDs could be produced then, if hwe breaks mate-desktop... [10:25] I'm 16.04 stock - plus MATE PPA's [10:25] I just added the --install-recommends and no MATE packages listed [10:26] What's the output of: apt show ubuntu-mate-desktop | grep Depends [10:26] For me, it depends on xserver-xorg, so it gets uninstalled [10:28] ^ ..xorg, xserver-xorg, xserver-xorg-input-all, xserver-xorg-video-all,.. [10:29] And you do have that installed, right? [10:29] dpkg -l ubuntu-mate-desktop [10:30] no, don't have - I was doing a dpkg --list | grep -mate- [10:30] no -core or -desktop [10:30] guessing the PPA's broke them out [10:30] Probably, you can search in /var/log/apt/history.log to see when and how they got uninstalled [10:38] neither -core nor -desktop mentioned in my apt/history.log [10:39] hangon, it's been archived a few times [10:51] OK, this one does work: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04 xserver-xorg-input-all-hwe-16.04 [10:53] I found the -desktop & -core removals - but unable to determine from the apt hist & term logs what caused them to be [10:53] suspect PPA [11:02] Check the apt command line that is logged at that point [11:02] E.g. Command: apt-get install xxx [11:16] the cmd at that point looks to be a the install of hplp pkgs - was hoping to tie the removal with PPA install [12:09] hi [13:22] hi, do you know if 16.04.2 is somehow delayed for UbuMATE? i see that people have new point release already, but my installations (also Xubuntu one) are still on .1 version [13:23] GMD: cat /etc/os-release, says .1? [13:24] yes [13:24] sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [13:24] Do you get updates packages after that? [13:24] already done it [13:25] everything up to date [13:25] apt-cache policy base-files [13:25] Output of that? [13:26] http://pastebin.com/3e5LjRDi [13:27] Your mirror doesn't have the latest packages yet [13:27] If you're in a hurry, you can run: software-properties-gtk, [13:27] and select the main mirror [13:28] oh, i haven't thought about that; i was just curious what's happening, i'll wait [13:28] thanks a lot [13:28] np [15:00] why this command sudo apt install --install-recommends xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04 remove ubuntu-mate-core and ubuntu-mate-desktop? [15:01] how to update the hdw stack? [15:02] mate|70256: do this: [15:02] sudo apt install xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04 xserver-xorg-input-all-hwe-16.04 [15:03] It seems like a bug in the ubuntu-mate-core dependencies... [15:03] But that command should bypass it [15:04] alkisg: but this command change only the graphical stack. And to change the kernel? [15:05] mate|70256: you should see it pulling the kernel too [15:07] alkisg: have you updated? [15:07] mate|70256: yes [15:07] I'm on kernel 4.8 now, with that command, a few hours ago [15:08] alkisg: what do you think worth the upgrade? [15:09] mate|70256: I didn't do any serious tests; but glxgears in vbox said 700 fps before, 850 after [15:10] alkisg: yep, seems nice. I have an amd apu and 2 amd gpu? I'm going to upgrade. [15:10] alkisg: thanks for your help, the commands that you have given me works perfectly [15:11] Cool [18:02] ubuntu-mate 16.04.2 was released. [18:02] yay! [18:35] oi [18:36] alguem fala portugues [18:38] oi, tudo bem [20:29] hola [20:29] muy buenas [21:23] oi [21:23] eu falo [21:23] oh! too late [21:23] Abla Português? [21:26] Too late for what? > Dark [21:26] DarkPsydeLord: ^ [21:27] i know Menzador... i talk 3 more languages [21:27] *speak [21:27] no [21:27] You speak them [21:27] i talk with people in 3 other languages they kind of look at me thinking whats wrong with this guy [21:28] and they leave [21:28] usualy im alone because of this [21:28] :( its sad [22:47] howdy all. i notice knode is not in the repo for 16.4 so is the only GUI nntp client in the repo icedove aka thunderbird? tia. [23:35] test [23:35] cool...