[00:04] <Fendaris> I got a step ahead. Could somebody perhaps help me get through the path concept on ubuntu? I am only familiar with how to modify the path variable in windows.
[00:05] <Fendaris> i see 3 different completely unrelated approaches for that
[00:05] <phormat> bye
[00:06] <Fendaris> I guess: gksudo gedit /etc/environment and then just add it to the file?
[00:06] <nacc> Fendaris: whoa
[00:06] <nacc> Fendaris: a) use PATH when you are referring to the shell variable
[00:06] <nacc> Fendaris: because 'path' is just a noun
[00:06] <nacc> Fendaris: second, genearlly, you don't muck with /etc/environment
[00:07] <nacc> Fendaris: you probably can jsut update path in your user's .bashrc
[00:07] <Fendaris> how else do I add /usr/local/lib to my "search variable"?
[00:07] <nacc> Fendaris: again, I *really* feel like you should read the ubuntu manual or some other introductory materials
[00:07] <nacc> !manual | Fendaris
[00:07] <nacc> I think there is something for the terminal too
[00:07] <Fendaris> that probably doesn'T teach my how to install older packages though ^
[00:07] <nacc> !terminal | Fendaris
[00:08] <nacc> Fendaris: changing the PATH has nothing to do with installing older pacakges.
[00:08] <Fendaris> I have the package installed. But cmake doesnt find it. And the error says "update your search variables"
[00:08] <nacc> Fendaris: or you're not telling cmake where to look
[00:08] <Fendaris> so in windows you would add it to the PATH
[00:09] <Fendaris> Yes, but why should I? It can find 1.58 on it's own
[00:09] <Fendaris> why not set 1.55 up so that it can be found like 1.58 can
[00:09] <nacc> Fendaris: how did you install 1.55?
[00:09] <Fendaris> i built it from code
[00:09] <nacc> that's why, then!
[00:09] <nacc> Fendaris: this is really really basic stuff
[00:09] <wedgie> Fendaris: I'm not sure what you're doing, but many configuration scripts for things like that have options to specify locations of various dependencies
[00:09] <nacc> Fendaris: you building something from source vs. installing an Ubuntu package may or may not have any similarities
[00:10] <nacc> Fendaris: and more than likely you installed into /usr/local
[00:10] <nacc> Fendaris: which is not in the default search path for libraries (which is LD_LIBRARY_PATH not PATH anyways)
[00:10] <Fendaris> downloaded the file, unzipped it,  ./bootstrap.sh --prefix=/usr/local -> ./b2 -> sudo ./b2 install
[00:10] <Fendaris> which ended up putting all the files in /usr/local/lib
[00:11] <nacc> Fendaris: yes, beause you told it to.
[00:11] <Fendaris> i know
[00:11] <jonas_> Sup
[00:11] <nacc> Fendaris: well, more likely, also in /usr/local/share and some other subdirectories
[00:11] <Fendaris> What I dont know is, how do you go about making a package that you installed from code like this findable by other applications like cmake
[00:11] <Fendaris> without specifying the path manually every time you call cmake
[00:12] <wedgie> Fendaris: you can add it in ~/.profile
[00:13] <Fendaris> I found that recommendation via search. I didn't understand why some people prefer to use  gksudo gedit /etc/environment
[00:13] <wedgie> at the end, add a line like: PATH="$PATH:/usr/local"
[00:13] <nacc> a) you are not making a package findable, you are making some specific library it looks for findable. b) you update whichever PATH-variable is relevant (PATH for executables, LD_LIBRARY_PATH for libraries), or you tell cmake that or the configure step that, it's highly dependent on the software you're building. c) you would only do this for your user, by adding an appropriate line (e.g.,
[00:13] <nacc> PATH=/path/to/add:$PATH)
[00:13] <wedgie> Fendaris: because /etc/environment will apply it system wide, .profile will do it only for your user
[00:13] <Fendaris> So if I am the only user I can use the one or the other and it doesnt matter?
[00:14] <nacc> the difference between wedgie and my options are whether you want your updated path to be searche first or last
[00:14] <nacc> Fendaris: because it's bad practice
[00:14] <OerHeks> if you do it right, 'findable' systemwide or user based
[00:15] <RNeville> Anything I can do about Nvidia proprietary driver causing a blank screen, beside using nomodeset in grub menu?
[00:15] <Fendaris> So, I'll try this create a new file under /etc/profile.d/ sudo vi /etc/profile.d/SCRIPT_NAME.sh add export PATH="YOUR_PATH_WITHOUT_TRAILING_SLASH:$PATH" then sudo chmod a+x /etc/profile.d/SCRIPT_NAME.sh
[00:16] <Fendaris> @Rneville during installation? You could try run your onboard gpu if you have one
[00:16] <nacc> that again affects all users
[00:16] <RNeville> Thinking about reinstalling entire OS Ubuntu 16.04 in order to be able to boot my computer
[00:16] <nacc> Fendaris: and profile.d snippets do no need to be executable
[00:16] <pavlos> RNeville, you could revert to the nouveau driver if that works
[00:17] <nacc> Fendaris: they are not run, they are sourced
[00:18] <anthrax> so yeah...hi all
[00:18] <insty> Script is designed to be run only with bash
[00:18] <insty> help
[00:19] <RNeville> Fendaris, if I reinstall - won't Nouveau driver be loaded by default - and not proprietary Nvidia driver?
[00:19] <wedgie> insty: so.... what's the problem?
[00:19] <nacc> insty: you have not stated an actual issue.
[00:19] <insty> wedgie, how do i run it
[00:19] <nacc> insty: you run it with ... bash
[00:19] <wedgie> insty: bash yourscript
[00:19] <insty> i tried sudo bash and it disnt work
[00:19] <RNeville> Pavlos, don't know how to revert to Nouveau - since I can't get further than grub screen on boot
[00:19] <pavlos> RNeville, a re-install would use the nouveau and then you choose in additional drivers the Nvidia one
[00:19] <wedgie> going to have to be a lot more specific than that.
[00:20] <Fendaris> @RNeville: Probably better ask somebody else. I just remember that my GPU causes Ubuntu to show a black screen during installation... nomodeset worked in the end .... though I believe I also added some other commands later to get it to work.... I also remember reading that you can let ubuntu run from your onboard gpu if you have one that you can enable in your bios, and then add the correct drivers once ubuntu is installed.
[00:20] <TBotNik> All: Does anyone understand and know how to fix my problem at: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=5671754#post5671754
[00:20] <genii> insty: If bash is not your current shell, use chsh to change it.
[00:20] <pavlos> RNeville, I think you open a term, c-a-F1, stop lightdm and remove (purge the nvidia drivers ( I have to search online for the instructionbs
[00:20] <Fendaris> The best thing was... I wanted to install ubuntu, and people here told me "Sorry, your GPU is not supported. Please wait 6 months" xD
[00:20] <RNeville> Thanks Fendaris , I'll check my bios - I do have onboard gpu
[00:21] <Fendaris> figured it out on my own after a day
[00:21] <wedgie> genii: irrelevant if he invokes it with bash. Or if it is executable and has the proper shebang
[00:21] <insty> Changing the login shell for root
[00:21] <insty> Enter the new value, or press ENTER for the default
[00:21] <insty> 	Login Shell [/bin/bash]:
[00:21] <wedgie> insty: what is the error you're getting? "Doesn't work" give us nothing to help you with
[00:21] <Fendaris> @Rneville: If you google for onboard gpu black screen ubuntu, maybe you find some proper explanation
[00:22] <RNeville> Pavlos, can I use control-F1 , I'm not able to boot Ubuntu 16.04 (also, I have full disk encrption enabled)
[00:22] <insty> I want to run Changing the login shell for root
[00:22] <insty> Enter the new value, or press ENTER for the default
[00:22] <insty> 	Login Shell [/bin/bash]:
[00:22] <insty> oops
[00:22] <genii> insty: So then press Enter
[00:22] <wedgie> genii: he doesn't need to be doing that in the first place
[00:23] <genii> wedgie: There used to be an issue between dash/bash as defaults in Ubuntu previously
[00:23] <wedgie> genii: which is related to running a bash script how?
[00:23] <insty> genii, ./create_install_iso.sh  Script is designed to be run only with bash
[00:24] <wedgie> insty: what command are you running and what is the output? Pastebin this and give us the link please
[00:24] <pavlos> RNeville, I guess you could boot off a liveusb, then mount your existing system, chroot, and remove nvidia drivers (I better google this
[00:24] <genii> wedgie: Some scripts have bashisms which choke if using dash
[00:24] <insty> wedgie, I'm just calling the script name
[00:24] <wedgie> insty: what command are you running and what is the output? Pastebin this and give us the link please
[00:25] <pavlos> RNeville, http://askubuntu.com/questions/206283/how-can-i-uninstall-a-nvidia-driver-completely
[00:25] <RNeville> thx, Pavlos - I did see a youtube video doing just what you outlined
[00:26] <insty> !pastebin
[00:26] <pavlos> RNeville, even if your system boots with a blank screen, c-a-F1 should pop a text login
[00:26] <insty> wedgie, http://paste.ubuntu.com/24016966/
[00:26] <roothorick> Ubuntu-GNOME, have my monitor plugged into a GeForce card, proprietary drivers. Volume is supposedly muted. In actuality, volume is full blast. Volume control does nothing.
[00:26] <roothorick> using speakers on the monitor
[00:27] <wedgie> insty: bash create_install_iso.sh
[00:27] <roothorick> wait. I think it might be the game...
[00:28] <RNeville> Pavlos, I don't understand how I can open control-f1 when I've enabled full disk encryption on my computer
[00:28] <RNeville> I guess, I'm missing something obvious - sorry
[00:29] <roothorick> now all of a sudden it works. wat
[00:34] <pavlos> RNeville, and I dont know since I dont have LUKS experience (let me google this question
[00:36] <Fendarisx> with gsuko nautilus ... why cant i move files in /usr/local/lib/ to trash?
[00:36] <Fendarisx> it's greyed out
[00:37] <Fendarisx> nvm got it
[00:37] <k1l_> running nautilus as root and moving things to trash are not good ideas at all.
[00:37] <Trioxin> should this work on Ubuntu? https://askubuntu.com/questions/880993/would-this-fedora-method-of-encrypting-boot-work-with-ubuntu-16-10
[00:37] <Fendarisx> Kil why do you guys keep saying that?
[00:38] <Fendarisx> I have a useless file, in a stupid folder
[00:38] <Fendarisx> and you say "Leave it there forever"
[00:38] <Trioxin> I want to isolate all linux drives from a Windows install I'm about to do on a different drive
[00:38] <k1l_> Fendarisx: no, then just remove it.
[00:38] <Trioxin> linux partitions rather
[00:38] <Fendarisx> that s what i am trying to do =D
[00:38] <bivo> How do I correct this error? http://pastebin.com/jaR7KGFZ
[00:39] <k1l_> Fendarisx: but running nautilus as root will lead to issues when you forget that its root nautilus. and moving to trash means "i am unsure if i will need it again". and those 2 things lead to mess. seen that enough times in here.
[00:39] <nacc> bivo: fixe your sources.list to not list entries twice (lines 2 and 7)
[00:39] <Fendarisx> Yeah, but i just want to delete this boost 1.55 installation, which I placed there myself
[00:39] <k1l_> bivo: "cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999" and show that link in here please
[00:39] <Fendarisx> and did that now
[00:40] <nacc> Fendarisx: stop using GUIs to do things probably
[00:40] <k1l_> Fendarisx: "(sudo) rm /path/to/some/file" in terminal, all done.
[00:41] <Jonathan_> Hi, I'm trying to update to Ubuntu 16.04.2 from 16.04.1, but I don't seem to be able to get it using a sudo apt dist-upgrade.  Am I just too impatient or should it be out for everyone ?
[00:41] <nacc> Jonathan_: you won't really notice any difference
[00:41] <nacc> Jonathan_: 16.04.2 is just a respin of the ISOs if you are already running 16.04
[00:41] <bivo> k1l_: http://termbin.com/cf9t
[00:42] <Jonathan_> @nacc uname -a still reveals the 4.4 kernel after a restart
[00:42] <nacc> Jonathan_: you may want to 'opt-in' to the HWE stacks, which a fresh install would get by default
[00:42] <Jonathan_> I thought it was suppsed to include 4.8 ?
[00:42] <nacc> Jonathan_: only if you opt-in
[00:42] <nacc> Jonathan_: I believe this might be in the release notes
[00:42] <k1l_> Jonathan_: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade" will bring you to 16.04.2 on any 16.04 install.
[00:42] <nacc> Jonathan_: 16.04.2 != (definitionally) HWE kernel/X
[00:42] <k1l_> Jonathan_: the kernel is not changed on already installed 16.04s
[00:42] <Jonathan_> @kll Super, I'll try that.  Thank you!
[00:43] <k1l_> Jonathan_: that command will not upgrade the kernel base.
[00:43] <k1l_> !hwe | Jonathan_
[00:43] <nacc> Jonathan_: if you want 4.8, you need to install linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04 (there is a similar xserver-xorg package)
[00:43] <k1l_> bivo: what desktop do you run?
[00:44] <bivo> k1l_ Mate
[00:44] <Jonathan_> kll and nacc: Thank you.  I didn't realize that it was only for fresh installs.
[00:44] <Fendarisx> @k1l_ how do I learn to read sudo apt-get scripts?
[00:44] <Fendarisx> or rather how do i open one?
[00:45] <Fendarisx> without executing it
[00:45] <nacc> Jonathan_: and note that it's rolling, so if you opt into it now, it will keep updating when the next hwe release comes out
[00:45] <nacc> Fendarisx: what is a 'apt-get script'?
[00:45] <nacc> Fendarisx: do you mean the post and pre scripts?
[00:45] <Jonathan_> nacc: That makes sense, thank you.
[00:45] <Fendarisx> i want to read the commands that sudo apt-get install libboost-dev executes
[00:45] <k1l_> bivo: somehow your sources got mixed and doubled. open the file with "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" and remove line 2. then press ctrl+o for saving and then ctrl+x to exit
[00:45] <Fendarisx> out of curiosity
[00:46] <nacc> Fendarisx: if so, /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkgname>.<relevant extension>. But you really don't want to muck with them
[00:46] <nacc> Fendarisx: well, it installs some files and runs some commands
[00:46] <nacc> Fendarisx: some commands happen before install, some happen after
[00:46] <Fendarisx> i believe it just extracts files into /usr/local/lib/ and /usr/local/include and adds them to the PATH, and am curious to read up what it actually does
[00:46] <nacc> Fendarisx: no, no .deb puts anything in /usr/local if published by Ubuntu.
[00:46] <k1l_> Fendarisx: its the install scriptes from the package.
[00:47] <nacc> Fendarisx: and those would be added to LD_LIBRARY_PATH not PATH
[00:47] <nacc> Fendarisx: well, /usr/local/lib would be; /usr/local/include would be passed to the compiler
[00:47] <nacc> Fendarisx: but I doubt any package is changing either of those variables
[00:48] <Fendarisx> is LD_LIBRARY_PATH automatically searched by programs like cmake?
[00:48] <Fendarisx> then the install script wouldn't need to modify anything
[00:48] <nacc> LD_LIBRARY_PATH is automatically searched by ld
[00:49] <nacc> which cmake presumably invokes to link
[00:49] <Fendarisx> but I could still read up which files I need to delete to completely remove 1.55
[00:49] <nacc> Fendarisx: you installed 1.55 from sourc,e right?
[00:49] <Fendarisx> yes and i believe it only modified /lib and /include
[00:49] <nacc> Fendarisx: then apt has *nothing* to do with it.
[00:49] <Fendarisx> didn't find anything in this share folder
[00:49] <Fendarisx> Yes, but apt might have a similar file structure
[00:49] <Fendarisx> in different folders
[00:49] <nacc> Fendarisx: you seem to very confused by what you're doing to your system
[00:50] <Fendarisx> Yes, you keep telling me that
[00:50] <Fendarisx> about 20 times xD
[00:50] <Fendarisx> I am making progress though :)
[00:50] <bivo> k1l_ literally the 2nd line down from the top?
[00:51] <k1l_> bivo: yes.
[00:52] <mirador> k1l_?
[00:53] <wedgie> why does viewing the plain-text version of a paste on paste.ubuntu.com require logging in?
[00:55] <Fendarisx> The info folder is really nice. I found the libboost packages. Now I am wondering why there is no libboost-dev in /var/lib/dpgk/info/ but only files like libboost-date-time1,58.0:amd64.list  Is the dev file somewhere else or is dev a placeholder like * ?
[00:55] <XBT_Dude> wedgie: I think you have to log in for either if not mistaken
[00:55] <wedgie> XBT_Dude: nope. I can see the "full" page just fine.
[00:55] <XBT_Dude> log in to use the site.... kind of the norm these days
[00:57] <XBT_Dude> hum  I seem to remember having log in the last time I started it from a different box
[00:58] <XBT_Dude> like this one I just installed Xubuntu 16.04 AMDx64
[00:58] <XBT_Dude> on an old door stop Acer laptop
[00:59] <XBT_Dude> after updates I was quit impressed, only had to go get the dreaded Broadcom driver fore the wireless to work
[01:01] <TBotNik> All: Repeating: Does anyone understand and know how to fix my problem at: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=5671754#post5671754
[01:01] <davidj> @RNeville — make sure you have uefi set to 'other operating systems' in your BIOS
[01:02] <davidj> I know that sounds whack, but, I spent at least an hour battling the proprietary drivers because of that
[01:02] <XBT_Dude> wedgie: looks like some html5 code your browser doesn't load up in text mode
[01:02] <davidj> (which, it turns out the proprietary drivers are *amaaaaaazing* :p You'll want them)
[01:03] <wedgie> XBT_Dude: wut?
[01:05] <andywork> XBT_Dude: what is an old door stop acer laptop?
[01:05] <XBT_Dude> am I understanding you?  you are viewing the page in simple html?
[01:06] <nacc> Fendarisx: libboost-dev is a virtual package
[01:06] <nacc> Fendarisx: err, an empty package for dependencies (not virtual, sorry)
[01:07] <wedgie> XBT_Dude: on any given paste you can see what they pasted with a bunch of other stuff. It provides a link "download as text" But to do that you mus be logged in. Seems very odd to me.
[01:07] <wedgie> XBT_Dude: most paste sites provide a plain text version, and this one appears to as well... you just have to be logged in.
[01:08] <XBT_Dude> wedgie:ah ok I thought maybe you were using your browser in simple mode or something.. never encountered that
[01:08] <rantic> Hey everyone, I inherited an Ubuntu 10.04 server as a junior sys admin and I'm trying to bring it up to date ... however when I run sudo apt-get update
[01:08] <rantic> I'm getting a whole ton of 404 not found errors for the repositories
[01:08] <wedgie> rantic: 10.04 went out of support a couple years ago.
[01:09] <rantic> wedgie: Is it not possible just to bring this as up to date as 10.04 went?
[01:09] <rantic> wedgie: it hasn't been updated in a very long time
[01:09] <k1l_> rantic: where is the sense in bringing it to the same outdated packages?
[01:09] <rantic> k1l_: Less outdated packages
[01:09] <k1l_> rantic: no
[01:10] <rantic> k1l_: Yes..
[01:10] <k1l_> rantic: less outdated is still a lot outdated
[01:10] <wedgie> rantic: would still be 4 years out of date. Time to consider replacing that box
[01:10] <rantic> k1l_: less outdated is less outdated
[01:10] <rantic> k1l_: I don't have that option
[01:10] <k1l_> start planing and testing the upgrade or new install workflow
[01:10] <wedgie> is it possible for him to upgrade it to 12.04?
[01:10] <rantic> k1l_: The box is used by developers who write very specific code with specific packages for gtk2/python/misc python libraries
[01:11] <XBT_Dude> like putting a Model-T engine on a horse cart
[01:11] <rantic> upgrading it isn't an option right now or yet
[01:11] <k1l_> wedgie: yes it is
[01:11] <nacc> rantic: it's not even getting security updates, which means it's likely to be vulnerable to various issues
[01:11] <nacc> !eol | rantic: you might be abel to find the old repos there
[01:11] <nacc> rantic: but really, you must plan an upgrade ASAP
[01:11] <rantic> nacc: There are so many other priorities that it will realistically be at least 6-12 months out
[01:12] <rantic> that's why i'm trying to do the best I can by at least getting 10.04 as up to date as I can
[01:12] <k1l_> the world deosnt need another spam box run by an junior admin
[01:12] <wedgie> rantic: i feel your pain though... there is a Red Hat 9 box kicking around where I work that I'm not allowed to smash.
[01:12] <rantic> they aren't virtualized
[01:12] <rantic> upgrading the wrong packages or going to later versions can literally break my offices workflow and leave people unable to work
[01:12] <wedgie> rantic: note that you can update to 12.04... for now. It is about to meet the same EOL fate
[01:12] <rantic> I don't have the luxury of an upgrade right now
[01:13] <rantic> wedgie: If I upgrade to 12.04 and their code written in python stops working, what would the process to be revert on a physical box?
[01:13] <rantic> wedgie: I feel like I'd be screwed
[01:13] <wedgie> rantic: take a disk image first
[01:13] <nacc> simplest choice seems to be setup a VM, test migrate a disk image to that VM, and then see what breaks in the VM
[01:14] <k1l_> rantic: setup a 12.04 box and test  the stuff there. better use a 14.04 and test if its running there
[01:14] <wedgie> rantic: though if you're that worried about it and they really *need* an old box like that, then i'd just leave it alone
[01:14] <rantic> I don't have anything to setup and test another box lol.
[01:14] <nacc> rantic: but honestly, for 10.04, we've given you all the advice we really can, it's not supported anymore, the repositories, if they exist are linked above
[01:14] <rantic> Literally nothing
[01:14] <rantic> The environment I came from was vsphere
[01:14] <rantic> this would have been a painless test
[01:15] <wedgie> rantic: don't have a workstation you can run a VM on?
[01:16] <nacc> rantic: honestly, based upon what you've said, you have no reason to 'update' your system. Just leave it as vulnerable as-is, as they clearly don't care.
[01:16] <rantic> wedgie: I have an isolated 'secure PC' that only has 4gb of ram and my laptop which would be pretty damn limited ..
[01:17] <nacc> rantic: I'm not sure why you feel like you need to update the existing installation?
[01:17] <k1l_> just updating doesnt help anything.
[01:17] <rantic> nacc: I setup a vulnerability scanning system called Nessus and this machine has the highest amount of red flags
[01:17] <rantic> I'm trying to reduce the vector for attack in my environment
[01:18] <Ben64> impossible to do that and have 10.04 still
[01:18] <wedgie> rantic: and still will once you bring it up to the latest 10.04 has to offer. It has been 4 years
[01:18] <k1l_> go to the managment and show them all the big security breaches that lost user/company data in the last year and ask them if the want to see their name there too. then they have to decide what  to do with that 10.04 outdated box.
[01:18] <nacc> rantic: right, so if they care about that, then they ahve to let you upgrade
[01:18] <nacc> rantic: regardless of downtime, this is the choice they made
[01:18] <Ben64> being scared of upgrades because things might break is one of the silliest things
[01:19] <wedgie> rantic: and note that the clock is ticking on upgrading... 12.04 goes EOL in April afaik
[01:19] <rantic> i wouldn't be scared if the method to revert was clear
[01:19] <rantic> I've done plenty of upgrades and migrations in a virtualized environment
[01:19] <Ben64> 10.04 is vulnerable
[01:19] <Ben64> theres no reason to ever go back ever
[01:19] <nacc> rantic: ok, you have stated two things: 1) they don't want to update for fear of breaking things and 2) your server has security issues. Do you see how those conflict?
[01:19] <nacc> rantic: at this point, it's not a support discussion, it's something your company has to figure out
[01:19] <rantic> nacc: No I said I don't want to upgrade for 6-12 months
[01:20] <nacc> rantic: there is *nothing* to update to in 10.04
[01:20] <Ben64> it's urgent, needs to happen in 6-12 hours
[01:20] <nacc> rantic: no security fixes have been done for years
[01:20] <Ben64> seems like you fail to grasp the severity of this
[01:20] <nacc> rantic: I don't care when you want to update, I'm saying choosing not to update and being worried about security issues are conflicting, period.
[01:21] <rantic> nacc: I didn't say I wouldn't update. I came here asking to update.
[01:21] <k1l_> rantic: stop searching for excuses
[01:21] <rantic> sigh.
[01:21] <Ben64> then upgrade to 12.04, then 14.04 then 16.04
[01:21] <Ben64> and you'll be set until 2021
[01:21] <rantic> I'm not explaining it properly
[01:21] <rantic> they build software in python 2.x
[01:21] <Ben64> you are, you are not understanding it properly
[01:21] <rantic> using misc random libraries
[01:21] <rantic> GIS software specifically
[01:21] <rantic> based off of OpenEV
[01:21] <k1l_> rantic: there is nothing to explain.
[01:22] <rantic> $20 says your environment is kvm or proxmox or vsphere or something
[01:22] <rantic> this isnt upgrading a generic linux web server to a new version
[01:22] <rantic> it's potentially taking down my companies ability to work
[01:22] <rantic> security isn't a black and white contrast
[01:22] <rantic> its a physical box setup by someone before me with packages from third party sources in the hundreds
[01:22] <Ben64> how would the ability to work be affected by someone getting root on the box
[01:23] <k1l_> rantic: than your company is rubbish and deserves to be publicly shamed for that poor security
[01:23] <rantic> that i cant guarentee work or exist in 12.x or 14.x or 16.x
[01:23] <rantic> i cant just randomly upgrade
[01:23] <wedgie> rantic: then leave it be. Just make sure your management understands (preferably in writing) that it is a risk as is and that at some point they'll have to take the time to update
[01:23] <Ben64> you have exactly two choices. 1. Don't care about security 2. Upgrade now
[01:23] <Ben64> pick one and stick with it
[01:24] <rantic> I'm trying the best I can in the circumstances I have
[01:24] <wedgie> rantic: that time includes the developers time to update their build process such that it works on modern systems
[01:24] <rantic> I've already setup segreated vlans for my servers and desktops
[01:24] <rantic> enabled 802.11x auth
[01:24] <rantic> we're now firewalld, authentication with our servers is based on keys
[01:24] <rantic> but i cant just randomly quit my job because I hate it
[01:24] <rantic> i need to find some sort of middle ground
[01:24] <Ben64> how is that related to anything
[01:24] <Ben64> either stop caring about security or upgrade
[01:25] <rantic> [20:23] <Ben64> you have exactly two choices. 1. Don't care about security 2. Upgrade now
[01:25] <rantic> So because I can't upgrade the server this exact moment I just let security go to shit? :/
[01:25] <rantic> that sounds terrible
[01:25] <bazhang> rantic, are you on 10.o4
[01:25] <rantic> bazhang: 10.04.4
[01:25] <Ben64> that is correct, and please watch the language here
[01:25] <bazhang> 0
[01:25] <rantic> no it isn't correct
[01:25] <rantic> that's absolutely terrible advice
[01:25] <bazhang> !10.04
[01:25] <Ben64> April 30th, 2015
[01:26] <rantic> please reiterate the same thing to the thousands of companies who still have to run zOS systems off COBOL or banks etc
[01:26] <Ben64> is when you last had a security update on that machine, it's very important, you obviously don't care
[01:26] <wedgie> rantic: i think the ideal situation here would be to stand up a new server, get the processes moved over, then decomission the old one. That way they can continue getting work done until something is ready to replace it
[01:26] <bazhang> rantic, what ever you choose to do is your call, please don't ask for the end of life version here, thanks
[01:26] <rantic> bazhang: I didn't ask for it here?
[01:26] <al2o3-cr> i just found out that a zapus is a little jumping mouse :)
[01:27] <rantic> bazhang: You randomly asked if the server ran 10.04.4
[01:27] <bazhang> rantic, you can try askubuntu.com or some forum
[01:27] <rantic> bazhang: Do you even know what my question was
[01:27] <bazhang> rantic, then what is your support need here
[01:27] <rantic> bazhang: Or did you chime in for no real reason
[01:27] <bazhang> rantic, I just came online, time to draw this to a close
[01:27] <wedgie> rantic: some of these guys are taking unreaonably rigid stances on this but getting hostile won't help
[01:28] <rantic> wedgie: I know what my options are now
[01:28] <wedgie> rantic: the situation is that updating the server won't be possible or at least tricky, and probably won't help much even if you do. So it is time to start exploring alternatives
[01:28] <wedgie> simple as that
[01:28] <rantic> I'm aware now thank you
[01:28] <bazhang> welcome
[01:28] <rantic> stinks.
[01:29] <wedgie> rantic: just gotta let management know what the situation is, clearly, so that they can decide how they want you to proceed
[01:29] <bazhang> let's move the chatter to the offtopic areas please
[01:30] <XBT_Dude> WoW I've walkin into a room of cackling hens that sounded like this
[01:30] <bazhang> XBT_Dude, thats not helpful
[01:32] <XBT_Dude> geez I'll take my chill pill    CYA
[01:34] <boxingdinner> what was that?
[01:36] <Talche> hi guys, anyone knows how to solve problem with webmin not going secure?
[01:37] <k1l_> Talche: best to ask the webmin guys about that.
[01:37] <Talche> k1l_: noone active :(
[01:37] <k1l_> !webmin
[01:38] <Talche> hmm... well.. majority of stuff works actually...
[01:40] <yakiza> hello eveyone i just installed ubuntu 16.10 on my new ssd and since i instaled my graphics card drivers when i boot my pc i just get a purple.ascreen any help
[01:41] <PipeItToDevNull> yakiza: Try adding "nomodeset" as a kernel argument
[01:42] <yakiza> hello eveyone i just installed ubuntu 16.10 on my new ssd and since i instaled my graphics card drivers when i boot my pc i just get a purple.ascreen any help
[01:43] <PipeItToDevNull> yakiza: Try adding "nomodeset" as a kernel argument
[01:43] <yakiza> pipelttodevnull what do you mean i am rand new in linux just 2 months
[01:44] <PipeItToDevNull> yakiza: When booting do you get grub or just boot straight to Ubuntu?
[01:45] <yakiza> i get a menu with 4 options ubuntu advance options dor ubuntybetc
[01:45] <yakiza> pipelttodevnull
[01:46] <PipeItToDevNull> yakiza: Instead of hitting `enter` hit `e` and add `nomodeset` to the end then hit `enter` I had to do that to boot manjaro
[01:48] <Photon> Tmux broke for me, and now when I try to source the config (from tmux show -g) it gives command not found errors.
[01:52] <Photon> Anyone?
[01:53] <yakiza> pipelttodev null cant find command
[01:53] <RNeville> if I enable my onboard graphics, shouldn't this default to the nouveau open source driver
[01:54] <RNeville> I get blank screen with installed Nvidia proprietary drive, so I connect hdmi monitor to on board graphics, and enable onboard graphics in bios- still getting blackscreen
[01:55] <yakiza> PipeItToDevNull cant find the commant
[01:56] <PipeItToDevNull> I am unsure then yakiza
[01:56] <yakiza> ty
[01:57] <yakiza> PipeItToDevNull btw i have still my old hd could i search thre for ehat is missing?
[01:59] <Photon> tmux is so broke
[01:59] <Photon> Now even the bind command doesn't exist
[02:02] <RNeville> bash-om, were is are you?
[02:02] <Ben64> Photon: unlikely to be tmux's fault
[02:02] <Photon> How should I start to debug then?
[02:02] <Photon> I reset my bashrc and I'm also getting another error
[02:02] <Ben64> explain what you're doing and what's happening
[02:03] <Photon> I installed tmux and gave it a config in ~ called .tmux.conf. I put in a couple customizations, nothing major. It worked fin. Then all of a sudden tmux doesn't work at all.
[02:04] <Photon> I did this at the same time as messing with python/django, so that could be it I guess. bash: /usr/share/virtualenvwrapper/virtualenvwrapper_lazy.sh: No such file or directory
[02:04] <Photon> Is another errro
[02:06] <Photon> Any ideas?
[02:06] <Photon> My current tmux config is actually the example, but it is still broken.
[02:07] <Transtibot> question: ive lost access to my usb stick i used to install ubuntu 14 somehow. i just want to clear the files off of it and use it as a normal storage now, any ideas?
[02:07] <Photon> You lost it?
[02:08] <Ben64> Photon: but everything works fine in a normal terminal window?
[02:10] <yakiza> hello everyone i have install linux and i have installed my gpu drivers and since i install the drivers whrn i boot i get purple screen any help
[02:11] <k1l_> Transtibot: open gparted, delete the partition table /make a new one. create one fat or ntfs partition. or choose "format" on the nautilus right click menu
[02:13] <Photon> Ben64, sorry, seems so, yes.
[02:14] <Photon> I tried reinstalling already.
[02:15] <RNeville> Could someone check out this link http://askubuntu.com/questions/245410/how-to-install-uninstall-a-driver-on-a-frozen-system-using-a-livecd, I want to use a Ubuntu 16.04 live CD to purge an Nvidia proprietary drive from my system - inserting "nomodeset" in grub menu doesn't seem to help
[02:20] <RNeville> forgot to mention, my primary drive has full disk encryption, so not sure I can use a command like chroot in a Live CD to mount my system files
[02:20] <RNeville> probably not, is my quess
[02:21] <RNeville> guess/quess**
[02:32] <RNeville> so many things I don't understand about Ubuntu/Linux
[02:32] <bazhang> RNeville, have you read the wiki and the free pdf manual yet
[02:33] <RNeville> i.e., if you activate you onboard graphics - why would Nvidia proprietary driver interfere with graphics
[02:34] <glache> Back.
[02:34] <RNeville> no bazhang, I haven't - every article about Linux is either for an absolut Newbie, or a Linux Zen Master - seems to be no intermediate material
[02:34] <secureOS> RNeville: Why u what activete you graphics onboard?
[02:34] <RNeville> absolute/absolut**
[02:34] <secureOS> *what u whant activete
[02:34] <bazhang> RNeville, would you like a link to such?
[02:35] <RNeville> I don't want onboard graphics, but the reset proprietary Nvidia driver has hosed my video cards graphics under Ubuntu 16.04
[02:35] <RNeville> yes, bazhang
[02:36] <RNeville> resent/reset**
[02:36] <secureOS> heh this or broken repository
[02:36] <bazhang> RNeville, where did you install the drivers from, from the ubuntu repos or nvidia's site
[02:36] <bazhang> !manual | RNeville
[02:36] <bazhang> !rute | RNeville and this
[02:37] <RNeville> I think , Ubuntu repos since I used "Aditiona Drivers" under Ubuntu 16.04
[02:39] <RNeville> Since, I'm running full disk encryption I'm thinking the easy way to get back to Nouveau driver is a complete reinstall
[02:40] <sirv> i installed the drivers from the SYSTEM - Software updates - addicional drivers menu
[02:41] <RNeville> However, I must admit I don't understand why is my hdmi cable from my monitor is plug into my onbaord graphics, and I've enable onboard graphics in bios - why I'm I not , by default, running Nouveau driver for onboard graphics - and therefore able to use my computer?
[02:41] <sirv> but also i have better experience with proprietary Nvidia driver - DOTA2 is working perfect with them, nouveau did not wotrk
[02:41] <RNeville> Yes, sirv, I believe that's the way I installed my Nvidia driver, as-well
[02:42] <RNeville> Just didn't know proper terminology to write
[02:42] <RNeville> when/why is***
[02:43] <RNeville> I would think Nvidia proprietary drive wouldn't interfere with activate onboard graphics
[02:44] <RNeville> woundn't/would***
[02:47] <raj__> gud     mrng
[02:49] <tobias_little> #ubuntu-discuss
[02:52] <c_thun> is there a way to combine two conditions for pandas.drop? for item in list: pandasdf = pandasdf.drop(pandasdf[(pandasdf.col1 > 0.5) & (pandasdf.col2 == item)])
[02:53] <tobias_little> ubuntu is cool
[02:53] <yakiza> hello guys after installing ubuntu and my gpu drivers my pc wont boot its just getting stuck in a purple screen
[02:54] <c_thun> sorry, accidently posted to wrong channel
 its so bad
[02:54] <RNeville> I know the feeling yakiza - wish I could help, but have no idea how to repair
[02:54] <RNeville> I guess I'm going to simply reinstall , and start fresh
[02:54] <w9qbj>  /morow
[02:55] <rosesarered> I tried to proxify apt according to this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/175172/how-do-i-configure-proxies-without-gui and creating a '95proxies' file  in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ it didnt work. I deleted the file, rebooted, butI still cannot get apt...
[02:55] <rosesarered> I dont understand it, I got rid of the file
[02:55] <tobias_little> yess i agree
[02:55] <yakiza> i have doe 5 formta and dunno what to do... my graphics card doesnt work
[02:56] <tobias_little> in ubuntu 16.04 if you use old grap card
[02:56] <tobias_little> you are dead fish
[02:56] <RNeville> mine is Nvidia GTX 760
[02:57] <RNeville> and now is has hosed my computer, Nouveau actually worked, but need proprietary to get Lightworks to work properly - that's all
[02:57] <causative> is it possible to set a screen unlock password that's different from my account password?  because I think I should have a strong account pw, but don't want to be constantly typing it just to unlock the screen
[02:59] <twizzleBop> I'm surveying opensourcers opinion of CMSs. I've been using
[02:59] <k1l_> causative: "i want a bullet proof door but next to it a light door because the other one is to heavy to open" :)
[03:00] <causative> well k1l_ I'm not concerned about anybody walking by and unlocking the screen
[03:00] <causative> my concern would be someone remote
[03:00] <causative> if they have physical access to the computer all bets are off anyway
[03:00] <twizzleBop> pardon touch typo...I've been using drupal and every cms I use seems convoluted. in an age where we can send a frame buffer over the web.. arent cmss just .. nuts?
[03:01] <causative> only I don't want to disable screen lock, because of privacy
[03:01] <k1l_> twizzleBop: that better suits into #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:01] <twizzleBop> ok
[03:14] <SemiNus> hi
[03:14] <SemiNus> is there any setting in the xorg.conf which disables copy & paste by clicking the middle mouse button?
[03:16] <cusco> hey folks
[03:16] <cusco> trying new lts here, and ... usb drive is not recognized
[03:17] <cusco> so dmesg shows usbcore
[03:17] <cusco> but /dev/sdb is nto there
[03:18] <Andyuser54> Hello. Does anyone know anything about porting Ubuntu touch to a new device?
[03:18] <SemiNus> did you look at the syslog?
[03:18] <SemiNus> sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog
[03:18] <SemiNus> ^ cusco
[03:18] <SemiNus> cusco, while this is open, plug in the device
[03:19] <Andyuser54> H
[03:20] <yakiza> i just dont understand how the same drivers would work a moment ago in my old hd and not work in my new ssd
[03:22] <nohop> hey guys. Does anyone know how to set the hwaddr of a NIC that's part os a bridge in /etc/network/ifterfaces >?
[03:26] <guyFromWeb> I am getting gnome-software error, could it be that my laptop is really old?
[03:26] <davidj> @yakiza — that's fascinating, re: drivers working on one & not the other.
[03:27] <Guy1524> what is the channel for discussing ubuntu 17.04 again?
[03:27] <davidj> @Guy1524 — there's #ubuntu-discuss which might fit the bill.
[03:27] <davidj> non-support channel.
[03:29] <Guy1524> k
[03:29] <Guy1524> thx
[03:41] <ubmt> qian
[03:41] <sirv> qian
[03:46] <ubmt> sirv hello
[03:51] <secureOS> what cloud u are recommended?
[04:00] <happyfr0gg> I need help with fixing apt. It is coming back with GPG No PUBKEY errors for several packages.
[04:04] <ZeBigDuck> Hi all!
[04:04] <ZeBigDuck> Strange thing today, I lost some files of my / partition
[04:05] <sukhoi> russians were behind this
[04:05] <ZeBigDuck> docker containers and images, vivaldi web browser, some shortcut I put in /usr/local/bin
[04:05] <happyfr0gg> Via terminal  'apt'  is returning GPG No PUBKey for several packages. How do I fix?
[04:05] <ZeBigDuck> How can I track what could have been done this ?
[04:08] <secureOS> netstat?
[04:13] <ubmt> why i can't list my bluetooth device by lsusb?
[04:13] <ubmt> yet no result from lspci,how can i find it?
[04:20] <prasad0896> #pyconpune
[04:23] <happyfr0gg> How do I fix apt returning GPG No PUBKEY errors?
[04:23] <happyfr0gg> Y-PPA Manager does not work.
[04:24] <happyfr0gg> It works but does not fix the issue.
[04:25] <happyfr0gg> Terminal also returns 'resource limit'.
[04:26] <OerHeks> that ppa got a package "launchpad-getkeys".. mayb you need that first? https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/ubuntu/y-ppa-manager?field.series_filter=xenial
[04:28] <gui7> irc.sceneaccess.org:+7000
[04:33] <ben_john> away
[04:37] <XBT_Dude> what does all the Ping timeout mean?
[04:39] <RNeville> Will, just did complete reinstall of Ubuntu 16.04 - have Nouveau back!
[04:40] <RNeville> My advice, learn to use Clonezilla, and make a clone of primary HD before loading any new graphics drivers - sorry to have to write this!
[04:40] <XBT_Dude> RNeville: me as well  Xu 16.04
[04:40] <XBT_Dude> ooops
[04:41] <XBT_Dude> Yeah well mine went pretty well for an old door stop
[04:41] <RNeville> Wow, XBT_Dude  - seems like a lot of these problems with graphic driver - had hard from LAS podcast that Ubuntu 16.04 had problems with Nvidia driver, but still tried anyway
[04:42] <RNeville> had heard/had hard**
[04:42] <XBT_Dude> Mine actually went flawless, except for Broadcam driver that NOOOOOO  distro has worked on yet without
[04:42] <XBT_Dude> a trip to wireless.kernel.org
[04:43] <RNeville> Noah, also said on Linux Action Show (LAS) that his laptop's wireless card wouldn't stay up
[04:43] <XBT_Dude> didn't even have to load video driver for this one witch is a first
[04:43] <RNeville> Under 16.04 - that is
[04:44] <RNeville> Yes, Nouveau seems to work well, however, Lightworks had some problems and recommend Nvidia proprietary drivers
[04:45] <XBT_Dude> not sure which flavor the last was Lubuntu 15.10 I think
[04:45] <RNeville> If not for problems in Lightworks (which I'm not sure is Nouveau driver problems) I would be glad to stay with Nouveau driver
[04:45] <XBT_Dude> but had to do video and wireless
[04:46] <RNeville> I'm on a desktop machine, and not a laptop - so not using wireless
[04:47] <RNeville> System Backup under Ubuntu 16.04 seemed to work well - in ways; however, still having to reload many programs
[04:47] <RNeville> I don't have a lot of experience with backups, so my opinion is kinda worthless on the topic of backup, though
[04:48] <RNeville> I wish I had separate partition for my home folder - which I think would make reinstalls much easier
[04:48] <XBT_Dude> I'm on it wired at the moment, out in garage so wireless is a little weak, but works ok, wired is rockin though even without doing the turn off Ivp6 thing I alway shad ot do
[04:48] <RNeville> but still not sure even with a seperate home partition that I wouldn't have to reload certain programs
[04:49] <secureOS> RNeville: check for blkid
[04:49] <secureOS> vgdisplay?
[04:49] <XBT_Dude> wife's callin be back
[04:49] <secureOS> i cant find any good work bios:(
[04:50] <secureOS> that is my problem
[04:50] <RNeville> is blkid - a backup program, please?
[04:50] <secureOS> no
[04:50] <secureOS> list of mapper
[04:51] <RNeville> sorry, a newbie linux user here, not following "mapper"? Sorry so slow of wit. :(
[04:51] <RNeville> secureOS, guess I should be using your nick
[04:52] <secureOS> if u whant
[04:52] <secureOS> i try fix my computer
[04:52] <secureOS> 4 months
[04:53] <RNeville> ok, secureOS - was it video driver problems
[04:54] <secureOS> i fill my video driver change every week:/
[04:54] <secureOS> i even buy new laptop
[04:54] <secureOS> and nothing change..
[04:54] <secureOS> bios is broken
[04:55] <RNeville> interesting, secureOS
[04:55] <secureOS> or company who run it
[04:55] <RNeville> but secureOS if you used two different computers - how can it be bios (unless same bio vendors)
[04:56] <RNeville> ?
[04:56] <secureOS> come on when i indicate with problem i whant olny fix my computer and servers
[04:56] <secureOS> RNeville: I did not think that it is possible
[04:56] <allen_> sorry  Bios is broke?
[04:57] <secureOS> but still it is
[04:57] <secureOS> :(
[04:57] <allen_> Does it boot?
[04:57] <secureOS> boot is does not mean correct work
[04:58] <allen_> secureOS   Does the computer boot?
[04:58] <secureOS> yes
[04:58] <allen_> Does it have a hard drive installed?
[04:59] <secureOS> but i cant start with secure encrypted system with out of UEFI and GPT
[04:59] <allen_> The bios may not support that
[04:59] <secureOS> pfc
[04:59] <secureOS> *ofc
[04:59] <allen_> but that dont mean its broke
[05:00] <RNeville> what is GPT,pls ?
[05:00] <secureOS> when i try start another system i always have a problem
[05:01] <secureOS> when i buy new laptop and delete all partition and online storage (wtf, what is this)?!
[05:01] <secureOS> i cant run any boot
[05:01] <allen_> your not making sense
[05:01] <secureOS> only new Fedora run but not realese
[05:01] <secureOS> *release
[05:02] <secureOS> allen_: come one for so many years i thought that i know computers
[05:02] <allen_> ok..your right Bios is broke
[05:02] <secureOS> and now i feel like i'm just starting
[05:03] <secureOS> even i can't find main arch linux OS in cloud server
[05:04] <secureOS> this is terrible
[05:04] <RNeville> I've owned computers for over 20 years now, and I'm amazed , almost every day, that I've feel like I'v just scratched the surface of an ocean over the  Mariana Trench
[05:05] <secureOS> welcome to my world:/
[05:06] <secureOS> anyone recommends program to change online lvm partition when they run?
[05:07] <iLikePussy> secureOS: forget LVM
[05:07] <iLikePussy> just eat cunt
[05:08] <secureOS> ?
[05:08] <secureOS> eat cunt?
[05:08] <iLikePussy> yes, pussy
[05:08] <iLikePussy> vagina
[05:08] <iLikePussy> are you seriously not familiar with the word "cunt"?
[05:08] <iLikePussy> !ops | secureOS is five years old and does not know what a cunt is
[05:08] <iLikePussy> ubottu: hello?
[05:09] <iLikePussy> !ops | secureOS is acting like a five year old, please ban
[05:09]  * davidj grins.
[05:09] <davidj> Thanks sir/ma'am
[05:10] <DalekSec> 'Welcome.
[05:11] <secureOS> I have the impression that the market is not enevailbe any secure system
[05:11] <davidj> Nothing is inherently secure.
[05:11] <secureOS> in which on one would have messed with and not listening
[05:11] <allen_> anybody know of a Zorin help room anywhere
[05:11] <davidj> If you're after security, technology is the wrong market :)
[05:12] <DalekSec> allen_: You can try 'alis', /msg alis help list
[05:13] <allen_> that will run a list of rooms on this server right?
[05:13] <secureOS> but i really think that technology is really try to fix security.. but no my laptop and server:/
[05:14] <XuBun2_Dude> what I miss
[05:15] <secureOS> valentine?
[05:15] <secureOS> :P
[05:16] <XuBun2_Dude> I'll ask again, what does all the ping time outs mean
[05:16] <hamsterpower> I really messed up some CUDA packages. I keep getting "The following packages have unmet dependencies:" and "apt-get -f install" won't fix it. It returns "No apport report written because MaxReports is reached already". What should I do?
[05:17] <secureOS> hamsterpower: maybe change max report on apt config?
[05:18] <secureOS> or use mesg or tail -f /var/log/syslog ?
[05:18] <secureOS> i have same problme but i dont start fix this yet
[05:23] <secureOS> great after update now i dont have sound
[05:23] <davidj> The joys of technology :)
[05:23] <davidj> (It's why I've bought an xps 13. Less !@#%$ery)
[05:24] <secureOS> pcman have sink is auto_null and have abstract class in properties:/
[05:31] <secureOS> my new kernel don't have any old module
[05:38] <lee-kun> eai glr ;-;
[05:38] <lee-kun> tem br ? kjjkjkkj
[05:39] <guyFromWeb> hi, what can I do with gnome-software error?
[05:40] <lee-kun> what is the error ?
[05:40] <guyFromWeb> that's what it said
[05:40] <guyFromWeb> there was really no logs
[05:40] <guyFromWeb> I think
[05:41] <guyFromWeb> could it be that it's an old laptop??
[05:42] <lee-kun> No, I think it is your software error.
[05:42] <guyFromWeb> I bet it's this https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2345113
[05:43] <guyFromWeb> I also had some problems during install, I had to go back then continue to click the continue button again
[05:44] <lee-kun> Ps: I ' dont speak english , but i can try help you guyFromweb c:
[05:44] <guyFromWeb> lol ok
[05:45] <guyFromWeb> should I reinstall?
[05:45] <guyFromWeb> it's pretty new (the OS)
[05:46] <hamsterpower> secureOS: thx for the tip I'll try it!
[05:46] <guyFromWeb> or I'll just do it tomorrow
[05:46] <lee-kun> I think so, your installation may have been corrupted, causing you to install the incomplete system
[05:47] <guyFromWeb> I'll try the same ISO again
[05:47] <guyFromWeb> I got it on my hard drive
[05:47] <lee-kun> Ok
[05:47] <guyFromWeb> if it happens again, it might be the ISO
[05:50] <bum> How to add "wireless display" in Windows
[06:00] <bigetbi> https://youtu.be/FliGdEGBoIw
[06:04] <happycod1r> hi
[06:12] <jamie_1> hey odd question, when cononical changed the naming method for wifi from wlan0 to like wlp2s0 did they also change the method for naming the bluetooth interface?
[06:13] <jamie_1> right now im working on a program that was designed to run on 12.04 and no longer works and im working on fixing it and getting it working on current (16.10 and 17.04) and i just want to make sure that as im doing it i dont need to go through and correct that
[06:14] <jamie_1> it makes os calls to the bluetooth interface to gain access and connect to specfic devices
[06:28] <secureOS> any idea when i whant instlall old good ubuntu 14.04 or 16.04 with old kernel?
[06:29] <jamie_1> secureOS: for the most part you would have to add the old kernel in
[06:29] <jamie_1> then on boot select advanced option and boot from the old kernal
[06:29] <secureOS> heh
[06:29] <secureOS> not so easy
[06:29] <jamie_1> i belive somewhere in there you can set to auto use that kernal
[06:29] <secureOS> i haven't this option
[06:29] <jamie_1> secureOS: i've done it several times
[06:30] <secureOS> *i haven't
[06:30]  * jamie_1 does it mostly when i screwed myself that bad customizing
[06:30] <bigetbi> Ubuntu
[06:30] <jamie_1> one sec secureOS let me see if theres some documentation for it
[06:30] <secureOS> jamie_1: when i see my disk (lsblk) and before i use old kernel i cant start system and mount any hdd
[06:31] <jamie_1> ouch secureOS how did you manage to make that happen?
[06:31] <jamie_1> for the most part you might have to live boot and replace the stuff on the hdd from the live booty
[06:31] <secureOS> long story
[06:32] <EriC^^> secureOS: which kernel do you want?
[06:33] <jamie_1> hey secureOS does this help you? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters it should allow you to replace or modify the kernal before boot
[06:33] <EriC^^> secureOS: install 14.04 then
[06:34] <jamie_1> well not a kernel but modify the boot parameters to possibly make it boot
[06:34] <jamie_1> go by EriC^^ first if that doesn't work ill throw in my crazy as hell solutions
[06:35] <jamie_1> im good at doing crap like that in ways you really shouldnt be able to... :D
[06:35] <secureOS> EriC^^: I try install 12.04 but steel i have same problem
[06:35] <secureOS> no secure
[06:35] <EriC^^> secureOS: you said 14.04 works though?
[06:35] <secureOS> jamie_1: i tried change flag on boot
[06:36] <jamie_1> wait secureOS are you trying to use secure efi boot?
[06:36] <secureOS> but generally nothing happen
[06:36] <jamie_1> with gdp partitioning
[06:36] <secureOS> heh no
[06:36] <jamie_1> okay... thank god... that is a headache of its own...
[06:36] <secureOS> and i have disable fast boot
[06:37] <jamie_1> im actually using gdp... so i cant vouch for the fact of... dont do it
[06:37] <secureOS> but for really secure system i must upload uefi
[06:37] <EriC^^> secureOS: does 14.04 work?
[06:37] <jamie_1> its useful yeah... extremely but its a pain the A**
[06:37] <secureOS> good option when start system is msdos on fat16
[06:37] <secureOS> for boot
[06:37] <secureOS> next boot unix
[06:37] <secureOS> and linux
[06:37] <secureOS> ex. ubuntu
[06:37] <jamie_1> what type of system are you using secureOS?
[06:37] <secureOS> ubuntu
[06:38] <secureOS> kali
[06:38] <secureOS> openbsd
[06:38] <jamie_1> system... not os
[06:38] <jamie_1> like hardware
[06:38] <NemosCene21> ubuntu
[06:38] <secureOS> what u mean? CPU?
[06:38] <jamie_1> does it support efi booting or any of the new setups?
[06:38] <jamie_1> more of is it a newer computer with the newer bios setups
[06:38] <secureOS> Samsung Series 5
[06:39] <secureOS> i7
[06:39] <jamie_1> one sec
[06:39] <jamie_1> okay... so by a long shot you wanna try to give uefi booting a shot?
[06:39] <happycod1r> hi men
[06:40] <secureOS> jamie_1: u send me a link
[06:40] <B105PH3RE> good day ladies/gents
[06:40] <secureOS> why in gnu grub setup write --fs-uuid
[06:40] <secureOS> on kernel 2.6.x !!!!!!!
[06:40] <jamie_1> secureOS: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[06:40] <secureOS> wtf
[06:41] <jamie_1> for the most part secureOS i try not to modify that much... i will modify the kernal... but the boot loader (not sure what the proper term is, im used to mobile os development) because if you screw that you are screwed rather well...
[06:41] <secureOS> there is now booting i try install reasonably safe and private system
[06:42] <jamie_1> try using uefi booting, at that point its more of the bios handling the booting than the rest, its actually writing to the uefi for the boot setup instead of just relying on grub
[06:43] <secureOS> boot setup?
[06:43] <secureOS> but u can run linux for uefi on ubuntu 10 or 12.04
[06:44] <Ben64> ubuntu 10.04 and 10.10 are both EOL
[06:44] <Ben64> what is your goal here secureOS ?
[06:44] <NemosCene21> Are ubuntu applications backwards compatible?
[06:45] <secureOS> Ben64: I try use secure Ubuntu
[06:45] <secureOS> maybe u have link to good iso
[06:45] <jamie_1> Ben64: help him please, im used to doing rigged fixes that will solve the problem but dont want to make someone jurry rig up in my methods... they are not orthadox and i dont want to mess someone else up by trying to do my crazy stuff
[06:45] <baizon> secureOS: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[06:45] <WoLf> NemosCene21: usually yes, some aren't, but that's often because of deprecated functions removed for security. At least that has been my experience this far.
[06:45] <secureOS> lol
[06:46] <jamie_1> ... i know how to wipe my bios and start from scratch as a clean computer, i dont know if you can from what he's on
[06:46] <Ben64> secureOS: yeah, any recent version of ubuntu is already secure. i suggest 16.04 becuase of it's long life
[06:46] <jamie_1> Ben64: for some odd reason he cant do that... still not sure why... im running on little info
[06:46] <secureOS> jamie_1: how u wipe bios when u have example cloud server..
[06:46] <Ben64> jamie_1: nothing i've seen supports that theory
[06:47] <jamie_1> Ben64: huh? what theory?
[06:47] <Ben64> that he can't install 16.04
[06:47] <jamie_1> Ben64: he said earlier that it wont boot
[06:47] <secureOS> true
[06:47] <secureOS> but now i using 16.04.1
 ok thanks
[06:48] <secureOS> last week i have 16.04.4
[06:48] <secureOS> ;)
[06:48] <Ben64> 16.04.4 doesn't exist yet
[06:48] <jamie_1> secureOS: i would need to have exact info to do research to see how to completely wipe the device to nothing
[06:49] <jamie_1> lol i got on her originally to get info for the program im re-releasing for 16.04, 16.10, and 17.04 and totally got side tracked... XD
[06:50] <secureOS> heh 16.06 i have yesterday
[06:50] <Ben64> 16.06 doesn't exist and never will
[06:50] <jamie_1> 16.06? lol
[06:50] <secureOS> yes o know
[06:50] <Ben64> you should start making sense
[06:50] <secureOS> x.04 and x.10
[06:50] <secureOS> Ben64: but what?
[06:50] <Ben64> explain what you want to accomplish, you're making no sense currently
[06:50] <secureOS> jamie_1: what kernel u use?
[06:51] <jamie_1> secureOS: im not sure what kernal im on
[06:51] <jamie_1> im actually on gnome
[06:51] <jamie_1> not vanilla ubuntu
[06:51] <happycoder> wnat you want men!!????
[06:51] <secureOS> uname -v
[06:54] <jamie_1> im gonna throw my question back out there.... lol, before i forget. right now im working on a program that uses the blue tooth, but the last version the original maintainers release for was 12.04. When conanical changed the naming setup for the different intefaces like wlan0 to a setup like wlp2s0 did they also change the naming mechanism for the bluetooth?
[06:54] <jamie_1> i need to know to know
[06:54] <jamie_1> so that i know whether i need to fix that as i go along
[06:54] <Ben64> pretty sure it's just for network devices
[06:55] <B105PH3RE> i guess that would depend on what bluetooth services your trying to use
[06:55] <secureOS> Ben64: great would that be nice when nobody access for my system and nobody change my bios, reserve my mem on RAM, using CPU, etc.
[06:55] <Ben64> secureOS: what?
[06:55] <jamie_1> Ben64: okay, thanks
[06:56] <secureOS> jamie_1: no
[06:56] <WoLf> I'm trying to follow on that conversation but man it's confusing.. "I just the whole thing" level.
[06:56] <secureOS> jamie_1: try module for kernel btrtl or btintel
[06:57] <secureOS> Ben64: what your problem? i write u answer
[06:57] <Ben64> secureOS: you're still not making any sense
[06:57] <secureOS> Ben64: what version kernel u use?
[06:57] <B105PH3RE> secureOS: May I ask if your first language english?
[06:58] <Ben64> secureOS: how is that relevant
[06:58] <secureOS> B105PH3RE: no
[06:59] <pfefferz> Hello?
[06:59] <secureOS> Ben64: I thinking is only i have unversioning pc
[06:59] <jamie_1> not to piss anyone off but i have stuff i need to work on... need to get this program up and running
[06:59] <B105PH3RE> ok so get it done
[06:59] <B105PH3RE> :)
[07:00] <pfefferz> I'm seeing install for 16.04.2-desktop appear to hang on adobe-flashplugin...
[07:00] <pfefferz> anyone else seeing this?
[07:00] <B105PH3RE> pfefferz: its usually downloading hte plugin in the background when it does that so if you internet is slow it may take some time
[07:00] <NemosCene21> is it safe to download stuff from other repositories?
[07:00] <B105PH3RE> NemosCene21: only if you trust the source
[07:00] <jamie_1> B105PH3RE: do you know anything about the program QtSixA?
[07:01] <B105PH3RE> jamie_1: yes I do been messing with it on linux for a bit why?
[07:01] <WoLf> NemosCene21: it's the same as downloading something from internet. If it's a reputable source, might be safe.
[07:01] <secureOS> trust the source, hehehe
[07:01] <B105PH3RE> Rule #1: Trust No One
[07:01] <secureOS> WoLf: spootify is spootify or facebook?
[07:01] <secureOS> ;)
[07:02] <jamie_1> B105PH3RE: the last version they released was 2 years ago for 12.04 and they declared it dead, right now im in the process of rebuilding/fixing it
[07:02] <WoLf> 42
[07:02] <B105PH3RE> jamie_1: Fixing what I don't have any problems with my qtsixa setup
[07:02] <B105PH3RE> ps3 over bluetooth connection works great
[07:02] <jamie_1> B105PH3RE: what version are you on?
[07:02] <B105PH3RE> you have to tweak the config to disbale the accelerometers in the config file
[07:03] <B105PH3RE> don't have it installed on the system but what every their repo' has
[07:03] <NemosCene21> is there any possibility that something bad will happen to the system  if I have downloaded some software packages from malicious sources?
[07:03] <Ben64> NemosCene21: of course
[07:03] <WoLf> NemosCene21: yes
[07:03] <B105PH3RE> NemosCene21: Yes
[07:03] <jamie_1> B105PH3RE: their repo's last release was 2 years ago, and there is no "candidate" for anything after 12.04
[07:04] <B105PH3RE> jamie_1: I have it on 16.04
[07:04] <NemosCene21> what can be the worst thing that could happen?
[07:04] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: its been about 25 min on a fast connection
[07:04] <Ben64> NemosCene21: someone could have access to everything on your computer
[07:04] <B105PH3RE> pfefferz: hmmm. get you get details or maybe it can't update it or something... I usually don't upgrade while installing
[07:04] <NemosCene21> Oh, that's scary
[07:05] <WoLf> NemosCene21: depends on what you consider worst. it could wipe your machine, it could steal your details, it could take pictures of you with a webcam, anything =P
[07:05] <jamie_1> B105PH3RE: really? im on 16.10 and went to build it myself and had to add shit in just to compile... the gcc compiler was and old version for them and i had to add in a module for sleep, start and the regular stuff which was moved to a module after awhile... and the bluetooth wont work at all
[07:05] <B105PH3RE> NemosCene21: if the program you install is from an UNTRUSTED SOURCE you may be subject to trojan, back doors, and others....
[07:05] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: nm...went through...
[07:05] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: but there may be something up with the adobe plugin
[07:05] <NemosCene21> then I thought linux distros are quite susceptible to malwares XD
[07:05] <B105PH3RE> pfefferz: copy that... can you see the program or no?
[07:06] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: which program?
[07:06] <WoLf> NemosCene21: it's literally the same as downloading a file from internet and executing it willingly.
[07:06] <B105PH3RE> jamie_1: I had issues with 16.10 so I went back to 16.04
[07:06] <davidj> What sort of issues @B105PH3RE?
[07:06] <davidj> Just curious. I'm on 16.10 — wondering if it might make sense to downgrade.
[07:07] <jamie_1> B105PH3RE: I have way to much stuff on here to wipe and go to 16.10... all of my dev stuff is on here
[07:07] <B105PH3RE> davidj: I'm a gamer so a bunch of my games needed specific libs to run but the versions were too new for the dependencies to be met correctly for the graphics or game to run properly
[07:07] <WoLf> NemosCene21: there is less malware than windows platforms, but it does exist. The difference is that by adding a third party repository, you are allowing them unconditional access willingly.
[07:07] <NemosCene21> I thought in ubuntu it is hard to gain root access. Doesn't those malicious programs need root access?
[07:07] <B105PH3RE> well the possibility
[07:07] <davidj> Not to destroy your stuff @NemosCene21 :p
[07:08] <jamie_1> also the QtSixA issue that are on 16.10 B105PH3RE have a good chance of being on 17.04 so QtSixA will need to be fixed then anyways...
[07:08] <B105PH3RE> doesn't mean your will be a victim for sure but.... its way easier
[07:08] <davidj> @B105PH3RE Ah! That makes sense.
[07:08] <davidj> re: gaming that is.
[07:08] <davidj> Was just making sure everything else is alright. It's been stable for me, well, aside from like ~25 crash reports a day for compiz/unity.
[07:08] <WoLf> Also it just takes you doing "sudo apt ..." to have root access.
[07:08] <B105PH3RE> davidj: other then that 16.10 ran good for me
[07:09] <EriC^^> NemosCene21: the problem is that those programs are being installed by root access, if you install them in your own home dir then they can still do whatever they want just not to the whole system
[07:09] <jamie_1> i might move to 17.04 now to work on QtSixA there to see if there are issues there also
[07:09] <davidj> Bless your heart @jamie_1 :p
[07:09] <jamie_1> davidj: why do you say that?
[07:10] <NemosCene21> I see, thanks guys! You're the best :D
[07:10] <B105PH3RE> jamie_1: one thing I wish they added was the ability to emulate a xbox 360 correctly for linux games to recognize it as a true xbox 360 controller
[07:10] <davidj> I guess it depends on the context of your usage, as a user I imagine 17x is rather unstable? Just an assumption of course.
[07:11] <WoLf> NemosCene21: Basically it boils down to a simple rule. If you are following a tutorial from a reputable site, for something like adding functionality to some not supported hardware, you are probably fine.. But a random site telling you to add repositories and running commands, must be taken with a grain of salt.
[07:11] <jamie_1> B105PH3RE: that is a little more challenging for wireless as xbox does not use standard bluetooth...
[07:11] <jamie_1> davidj: im am both a dev and a QA engineer so to me... unstable does not mean much
[07:11] <B105PH3RE> jamie_1: ya I know but its the button config I need to work like a xbox 360
[07:11] <WoLf> Especially if it's repos for "illegal" software. that's asking to get malware.
[07:12] <secureOS> if ubuntu not change a conception security is never system for normal users, if any what try to instlal game oraz software and add bad repo, down all system.. XXI age
[07:12] <secureOS> :/
[07:12] <NemosCene21> thanks
[07:12] <davidj> I'd go as far as saying avoid adding 3rd party repos.
[07:12] <jamie_1> B105PH3RE: well i can see if when im working on it i might add wired connection for xbox 360 controllers
[07:12] <Antares> http://murzilka.org/home/news/
[07:12] <B105PH3RE> jamie_1: no what I mean is to use the ps3 controller as a true xbox 360 controller emulation
[07:13] <jamie_1> B105PH3RE: my thing is with the last release of QtSixA being 2 years ago... its only a matter of time till it stops working, we both know that, so a maintainer is needed. also its a possibility as soon as i get a reg build to fully work... i want to have a fully working before i add stuff
[07:13] <davidj> like @Antares' link for example, don't click :p
[07:14] <B105PH3RE> don't click rogue links you don't know about either
[07:14] <uxfi> Hello all
[07:15] <B105PH3RE> sup
[07:15] <jamie_1> B105PH3RE: i just would like to make sure i can keep using my ps3 controller even after the new versions... and honestly even if im just able to get a stable version of current up and running for 16.10 and 17.04 as my pet project that would make me happy because that means that much longer before my version stops working compared to the already 2 year old version
[07:16] <jamie_1> *After the new
[07:16] <jamie_1> ubuntu version
[07:16] <jamie_1> *versions
[07:16] <jamie_1> wow i can not type tonight
[07:16] <B105PH3RE> jamie_1: I completely agree I started using xbox 360 controller instead it works better I find with linux
[07:16] <jamie_1> B105PH3RE: but you cant use wireless
[07:17] <B105PH3RE> jamie_1: yes I can
[07:17] <jamie_1> thats my big thing
[07:17] <jamie_1> not without the dongle...
[07:17] <Ben64> this doesn't seem like it's on topic here, maybe take it to PM or #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:17] <B105PH3RE> jamie_1: you need to purchase the usb reciever with a xbox controller and you can add up to 4 controllers on linux with this config... fully tested! :)
[07:18] <jamie_1> B105PH3RE: exactly my point i can use the ps3 with some work and no money spent...
[07:18] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: Here's the blow-by-blow: https://www.zachpfeffer.com/single-post/2017/02/17/Installing-the-64-bit-PC-AMD64-desktop-image-of-Ubuntu-16042-LTS-Xenial-Xerus-in-Oracle-VM-VirtualBox-5114-running-in-Windows-7-Professional-Service-Pack-1-CurrentBuild-7601-on-a-ThinkPad-T460-model-20FNCTO1WW-with-an-IntelR-CoreTM-i7-6600U-CPU
[07:18] <B105PH3RE> jamie_1: ya if you've got bluetooth built it even nicer... I was able to get a xbox one controller via bluetooth though
[07:19] <jamie_1> B105PH3RE: i dont know about that one, i dont know how microsoft did their new controller setup
[07:19] <jamie_1> not gonna claim i do
[07:19] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: 8. in Step 4
[07:19] <jamie_1> also i like the ps3 controller setup and the way it sits in my hands
[07:19] <Ben64> jamie_1: please take this elsewhere
[07:20] <B105PH3RE> jamie_1: ya I do love the ps3 the best it works for me the best also since I'm an old school kinda gamer nintendo and older systems
[07:21] <B105PH3RE> pfefferz: sorry that links not working for me I get a blank ZACH'S BLOG page
[07:21] <jamie_1> whatever
[07:21] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: it may take a sec to load
[07:22] <B105PH3RE> pfefferz: there nothing else to load according to my browser
[07:22] <B105PH3RE> pfefferz: so your trying to install ubuntu 16.04
[07:23] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: yes, but I'm mainly writing it up
[07:23] <B105PH3RE> https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/install-ubuntu-desktop
[07:23] <B105PH3RE> much better guide
[07:24] <B105PH3RE> pfefferz: writing it up? you mean making a install guide also?
[07:24] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: it is a good guide, the guide I'm writing focuses on using it in VirtualBox on Windows 7
[07:24] <B105PH3RE> pfefferz: oh my bad sorry man...
[07:25] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: no worries
[07:25] <B105PH3RE> pfefferz: so your installing ubuntu on vm and your doing a guide for?
[07:26] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: mainly to help people get started working with Linux in a way they feel comfortable with
[07:26] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: so I make everything super specific so that there is 0 ambiguity
[07:26] <B105PH3RE> pfefferz: I think thats awesome dude good luck and I will spread the news also... always like to see a fellow penguin army member promoting the ranks!
[07:26] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: :)
[07:26] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: thanks
[07:27] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: the blog builds up to through a few other posts
[07:27] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: over the next few days, I'm going to do, how to write a kernel patch and submit to kernel.org, but for doc patches
[07:28] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: thanks for spreading the word
[07:28] <pfefferz> :)
[07:28] <B105PH3RE> pfefferz: NO THANK YOU! your doing all the WORK! GO PENGUIN ARMY!
[07:28] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: :)
[07:31] <B105PH3RE> ShoutCast Stream http://149.255.33.86:9000
[07:59] <Dreaman> how to conf ipv6 in ubuntu
[08:00] <Wulf> Dreaman: it just works
[08:01] <Dreaman> just not i us 4
[08:01] <Wulf> Dreaman: does your ISP offer IPv6? Does your router support it?
[08:02] <B105PH3RE> Dreaman: if you goto console and do "ifconfig" you should see a inet6 addr: blah:blah:blah
[08:02] <Dreaman> ok
[08:02] <Wulf> B105PH3RE: ifconfig is obsolete. And has been for 20 years or so.
[08:02] <Wulf> Dreaman: ip addr show
[08:03] <B105PH3RE> Wulf: welll it works doesn't it
[08:03] <Dreaman> fe80::3dbc:a2f9:df0e:9069/64  is my
[08:03] <Wulf> B105PH3RE: nope
[08:03] <B105PH3RE> well i just did it on 16.04
[08:04] <Wulf> Dreaman: does your ISP offer IPv6? Does your router support it?
[08:04] <B105PH3RE> well i prefer ifconfig's display structure better then that ip addr show
[08:04] <Wulf> B105PH3RE: takes time to get used to something else, sure
[08:04] <B105PH3RE> maybe
[08:05] <B105PH3RE> if I feel the need or desire
[08:05] <B105PH3RE> :P
[08:05] <Dreaman> Wulf call him
[08:10] <SynfulAck> any way to freely scroll through different tmux sessions besides ctrl+b arrow?
[08:11] <wade_> hi
[08:18] <PharaohSD> sup fags
[08:21] <B105PH3RE> That an intelligent greeting
[08:23] <PharaohSD> lol
[08:23] <PharaohSD> sup B105PH3RE
[08:23] <B105PH3RE> whatup
[08:23] <PharaohSD> dling dota 2
[08:23] <PharaohSD> should be fun
[08:24] <B105PH3RE> its pretty good
[08:24] <PharaohSD> u still on it?
[08:24] <B105PH3RE> dota 2
[08:24] <PharaohSD> yea
[08:24] <B105PH3RE> ya don't play much still a newb at it... more a warcraft 3 player but its been a few years
[08:26] <PharaohSD> sweet, seems fun from the vids, and its weekend
[08:27] <B105PH3RE> gotta be carefull we don't wanna update Ben64 were off topic again... ;)
[08:32] <PharaohSD> lol yea,  but it's dead anyways >><<>><<
[08:34] <WoLf> hmm. I'm trying to slow down the polling from ntp, added minpoll and maxpoll in /etc/ntp.conf and restarted the service, but I still see ntp hits every few seconds.
[08:35] <B105PH3RE> WoLf: its ntp part of samba?
[08:36] <B105PH3RE> is
[08:36] <B105PH3RE> sorry
[08:36] <WoLf> I don't believe so? I do use samba tho.. but ntp should just be default time sync for ubuntu if I'm not wrong.
[08:36] <ducasse> B105PH3RE: you might be thinking of nbd, ntp syncs network time
[08:36] <B105PH3RE> sorry neverminds its time protocol
[08:38] <alkisg> nbd isn't related to samba, maybe he was thinking about smb :D
[08:38] <ducasse> nmdb? nmbd? something like that.
[08:38] <alkisg> Ah, yes that is samba too
[08:39] <WoLf> we have too many shorthand acronyms =P
[08:39] <B105PH3RE> too many damnn acronyms is right!
[08:39] <B105PH3RE> try remember other industries acronyms also
[08:40] <Jalina> !LIST
[08:41] <WoLf> Uh.. that's weird. I rebooted the machine for another reason, and now I don't see ntp hits anymore. I'm sure the configuration had been reloaded, as it had took the other changes.
[08:42] <B105PH3RE> i always reboot after a service change anyhow just to make sure on boot it works too
[08:44] <WoLf> I usually reboot for network changes, as most of the time I end up forgetting to ifdown interfaces in the right order and make a mess. lol
[08:50] <soman> Is [X]Ubuntu 16.04.2 available for download? xubuntu.org offers 16.04.1. Ubuntu shedule plan shows 09 February as a date of 16.04.2 release
[08:51] <Ben64> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/16.04.2/release/
[08:52] <B105PH3RE> http://mirror.us.leaseweb.net/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu/releases/16.04.2/release/
[08:52] <B105PH3RE> oops
[08:52] <soman> Thanks, guys
[08:52] <soman> Point releases usually goes to 5 or it depends?
[08:54] <Ben64> LTS go to .5 yeah
[08:54] <soman> Ben64: Ok, thanks again
[08:58] <YetAnotherStupid> hey! do you offer support for Ubuntu flavors here (Xubuntu, Kubuntu, etc.)?
[08:58] <Ben64> official flavors yes
[08:58] <YetAnotherStupid> which are the official ones?
[08:58] <Ben64> !flavors
[08:59] <YetAnotherStupid> ok
[09:00] <YetAnotherStupid> I'm on Xubuntu and I'm trying to configure it so it autoruns shell scripts (autorun.sh) when I insert USBs
[09:01] <YetAnotherStupid> i know it's a stupid question, but in Ubuntu you just go to Details in configuraton and set "Software" to "Run Software" or "Ask"
[09:01] <YetAnotherStupid> however in Xfce I can't find any configuration option to set that, and it'll just ignore any autorun script on any device
[09:03] <YetAnotherStupid> i have a USB with a autorun.inf and a autorun.sh file and I've tested it on several distros and it works. usually, the OS will prompt me asking if I want to run the script or not
[09:04] <YetAnotherStupid> in Xubuntu it will ignore the USB. could someone please tell me how to change the behavior to ask every time or run the software always, instead of ignoring autorun scripts?
[09:04] <YetAnotherStupid> thank you
[09:06] <alkisg> YetAnotherStupid: if noone answers here, you can also try in the dedicated channel, #xubuntu
[09:06] <YetAnotherStupid> thank you very much
[09:07] <ducasse> YetAnotherStupid: i think there is a setting under 'multimedia and removable devices' or something similar
[09:08] <YetAnotherStupid> everything is checked but it won't work
[09:08] <YetAnotherStupid> if i joined IRC is because I've spent some hours on Google, so I'm really stupid or something is broken
[09:08] <B105PH3RE> YetAnotherStupid: as far as I know you can't do a autorun.sh file or any sorts on the usb drive when inserted
[09:10] <YetAnotherStupid> yes, i've tested it on several distros and it works...
[09:10] <YetAnotherStupid> i mean i use this script almost every day and it works
[09:12] <YetAnotherStupid> you just create an autorun.inf file and an autorun.sh file. Ubuntu will ask me when the device is mounted, and some distros even run it automatically without asking
[09:12] <linux_> hvfkjf
[09:12] <linux_> lyyflhv
[09:12] <ducasse> what a horrible idea
[09:13] <YetAnotherStupid> Xubuntu wil keep ignoring it even if I change the configuration, or change the mount options
[09:13] <YetAnotherStupid> the only way to make it work is opening a terminal and running the script manually
[09:13] <YetAnotherStupid> on Xubuntu only
[09:13] <YetAnotherStupid> and I need to run it *automatically*
[09:15] <B105PH3RE> very bad idea
[09:16] <YetAnotherStupid> well i could make a local script that tries to launch the script every time it detects this specific USB, but I find this solution to be awful and unnecesary in a "supposedly friendly" OS like Xubuntu
[09:17] <B105PH3RE> what file manager are you using
[09:17] <YetAnotherStupid> i mean on Ubuntu I can change it in the settings so it asks every time, it's easy, makes sense...
[09:17] <B105PH3RE> what program was it
[09:17] <YetAnotherStupid> the default one, Thunar
[09:18] <B105PH3RE> did you try custom actions
[09:18] <YetAnotherStupid> what?
[09:19] <B105PH3RE> no that won't do what you want nvm
[09:19] <YetAnotherStupid> i'm not a genius with computers but i think something like this should be easy
[09:20] <ducasse> YetAnotherStupid: you really need to ask in #xubuntu, but i suspect you might be quite alone in wanting this
[09:20] <YetAnotherStupid> correct me if I'm wrong. you're telling me that something that takes 5 seconds in Ubuntu (going into the settings) is impossible to do on this distro?
[09:21] <YetAnotherStupid> i asked in #Xubuntu and nobody replied...
[09:21] <ducasse> no idea, i've never heard of anyone wanting it
[09:21] <ducasse> because it's a horrible idea
[09:22] <MonkeyDust> YetAnotherStupid  i guess xubuntu isnt meant to be modified much, 'launch and play', so to say
[09:22] <YetAnotherStupid> running scripts from removable devices automatically? really? it's not like it's a weird thing, it's like making a autorun.exe program for Windows, there's a lot of commercial software that does this
[09:22] <wudo_honour> why  1.1.1.1 can not ping the 2.2.2.2  between two host
[09:22] <B105PH3RE> and you tried preffered applications
[09:22] <wudo_honour> why  1.1.1.1 can not ping the 2.2.2.2  between two host  in the straight
[09:23] <B105PH3RE> no nvm
[09:23] <YetAnotherStupid> i have to use several public computers every day and this scripts sets my work environment in seconds, i just have to plug it and... magic! i can continue my work
[09:24] <YetAnotherStupid> and computers with Xubuntu ignoring the script makes me angry
[09:26] <YetAnotherStupid> i can change the configuration on that "public" computers but I have to carry my work with me on a USB drive as there isn't a centralized network to sync my work between them (yet)
[09:26] <YetAnotherStupid> so if you come with a better solution insted of saying that this is a "bad idea", please, tell me
[09:27] <YetAnotherStupid> instead*
[09:29] <MonkeyDust> YetAnotherStupid  later today, #ubuntu will be more crowded, more chance someone has an answer or solution
[09:30] <popey> YetAnotherStupid: it's entirely possible that this doesn't work on xubuntu, and that may be a feature that is as-yet unimplemented, or just a bug
[09:30] <YetAnotherStupid> yes but please i want the people telling me that this is a bad idea to explain
[09:31] <YetAnotherStupid> running scripts from a removable drive is a feature, and it's not a security risk if a) i trust the script and b) i have physical control over the computer
[09:31] <B105PH3RE> YetAnotherStupid: maybe partial solution you can right clikc the ghosted icon of the usb drive and click on apllications run program and pick autorun.sh
[09:32] <YetAnotherStupid> B105PH3RE: i can't, as Xubuntu won't even recognize that there's a script there, so it won't show any option for that
[09:32] <B105PH3RE> even when you try to open it with a program
[09:32] <ducasse> then you can set up a custom action, i guess
[09:32] <B105PH3RE> its a bash script so launch it with bash
[09:33] <YetAnotherStupid> it's a ext4 partition and i've chmod the file, and nothing
[09:33] <YetAnotherStupid> fucking impossible, it's like something in the OS is actively trying to block the script, like a security feature or something
[09:33] <B105PH3RE> did you try opening the drive and open with the autorun.sh right with bash
[09:34] <YetAnotherStupid> and i don't have any kind of antivirus or such, so i don't know...
[09:34] <YetAnotherStupid> B105PH3RE: that is the only thing that will work
[09:34] <B105PH3RE> you made default action for the file type
[09:34] <whizz_> why does an "apt update && apt full-upgrade" (or dist-upgrade, or do-release-upgrade) not update my kernel to 4.8 on 16.04.1 server? I'd expected it to upgrade my kernel (and be equal to 16.04.2)
[09:35] <popey> !hwe | whizz_
[09:35] <B105PH3RE> YetAnotherStupid: try this maybe http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/using-removable-media
[09:36] <popey> whizz_: see the section on that page for 16.04
[09:36] <YetAnotherStupid> according to that webpage, it should ask me
[09:37] <YetAnotherStupid> "Auto-open files on new drives and media" section
[09:37] <YetAnotherStupid> but it isn't doing that
[09:37] <whizz_> popey: I see, thanks, but it does not mention 16.04 server?
[09:38] <whizz_> would the command for 14.04 work?
[09:38] <whizz_> i.e. sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-xenial
[09:38] <popey> YetAnotherStupid: sounds like a bug
[09:39] <popey> whizz_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/RollingLTSEnablementStack#hwe-16.04
[09:39] <B105PH3RE> YetAnotherStupid: https://specifications.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-0.5.html
[09:39] <popey> whizz_: linux-generic-hwe-16.04 is the package
[09:39] <whizz_> popey: ah yes, google pointed me there as well, thanks
[09:39] <popey> np
[09:39] <popey> its linked from the first page i mentioned too
[09:39] <MonkeyDust> YetAnotherStupid  think positive: if it's indeed a bug, it may be named after you
[09:40] <B105PH3RE> YetAnotherStupid: whats the file called? autorun.sh try .autorun you might be able to do it with .desktop maybe not sure
[09:40] <anddam> when listing block devices with lsblk is there a way to show the partitions' label, if any?
[09:40] <cristian_c> hi
[09:41] <cristian_c> I'd like to make avrcp profile working on my bluetooth headset, I mean: media buttons located on the headset
[09:41] <cristian_c> I've looked at bluetoothctl info output and avrcp is listed as available for the device
[09:41] <ducasse> anddam: read the man page, -f option
[09:41] <cristian_c> What methods could I try in order to find the issue?
[09:41] <cristian_c> any ideas?
[09:44] <tobleron> hi Guys
[09:44] <tobleron> How are you doing?
[09:44] <tobleron> I have a question related to Filesystems.
[09:44] <tobleron> Anyone here?
[09:44] <B105PH3RE> yes
[09:45] <B105PH3RE> were are all waiting in anticipation
[09:45] <tobleron> I would like to have an updated overview about the latest and greatest in Filesystem type commparison.
[09:45] <tobleron> I have always loved using BTRFS but a lot of the reviews are outdated
[09:46] <tobleron> also some linux distributions install BTRFS for root / and XFS for /home I would like to know if that is the best or not.
[09:46] <Ben64> pretty much just use ext4, use something else if you prefer
[09:46] <tobleron> What about stability and performance?
[09:46] <tobleron> What do you use for let's say a  mail server, and what do you use for your desktop?
[09:47] <B105PH3RE> well a 12 year old server been using ext3 and ext4 for that period
[09:47] <Ben64> ext4 and ext4
[09:47] <B105PH3RE> ext4 hands down
[09:47] <tobleron> So BTRFS is just B$ ?
[09:47] <tobleron>  :)
[09:47] <tobleron> what about XFS?
[09:48] <ducasse> tobleron: i use btrfs for / on my file server, but everything else is zfs
[09:48] <MonkeyDust> tobleron  btrfs lets you make snapshots of your machin's stare
[09:48] <lia> hai
[09:48] <YetAnotherStupid> i lost cpnnection for a moment
[09:48] <MonkeyDust> me too, i use btrfs
[09:48] <YetAnotherStupid> so any idea on how to fix this?
[09:48] <Ben64> YetAnotherStupid: be patient
[09:48] <ducasse> YetAnotherStupid: and as we've said, you really need to ask the #xubuntu people about why it doesn't work, or search for a bug report
[09:49] <YetAnotherStupid> ducasse: nobody on #xubuntu replied
[09:49] <tobleron> So EXT4 for stability and BTRFS if I want to take snapshots? What if I will already use a Xenserver for my work... which can take snapshots on EXT4?
[09:49] <ducasse> YetAnotherStupid: then be patient
[09:50] <tobleron> ZFS filesystem is not supported by linux kernel right?
[09:50] <YetAnotherStupid> in my opinion it's not a bug, and i think the option is disabled somewhere
[09:50] <B105PH3RE> YetAnotherStupid: did you check those links i sent you
[09:51] <YetAnotherStupid> yes, and it only references the thunar multimedia settings
[09:51] <ducasse> tobleron: the ubuntu kernel in 16.04+ supports zfs
[09:51] <YetAnotherStupid> where autorun scripts are enabled
[09:51] <anddam> ducasse: jeez, it occurred to me I could RTFM after asking
[09:51] <B105PH3RE> so you went to removeable media
[09:51] <tobleron> Let's start Flame war. ZFS > BTRFS? :P
[09:51] <anddam> sorry for the noise
[09:51] <YetAnotherStupid> could it be possible that the option is disabled somewhere else?
[09:52] <ducasse> anddam: np
[09:53] <YetAnotherStupid> if you're on xfce launch 'thunar-volman-settings'
[09:53] <MonkeyDust> tobleron  polls and opinions are more for #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:53] <YetAnotherStupid> ALL options under the "removeable media" are checked
[09:54] <YetAnotherStupid> section*
[09:54] <B105PH3RE> right you did that and you changed the file name to .autorun on the root drive
[09:55] <B105PH3RE> as per page https://specifications.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-0.5.html
[09:55] <YetAnotherStupid> in that page says that the file name can be ".autorun", "autorun" or "autorun.sh"
[09:55] <YetAnotherStupid> any of that names will work
[09:56] <YetAnotherStupid> no one*
[09:56] <B105PH3RE> right
[09:56] <YetAnotherStupid> sorry i'm not good with English
[09:56] <YetAnotherStupid> i tried all that names and it didn't work
[09:56] <B105PH3RE> try creating .desktop file for autorun and see if that works
[09:57] <B105PH3RE> as per the same page higher up
[09:57] <YetAnotherStupid> i already have a "autorun.inf" with a line that says "open=autorun.sh"
[09:57] <YetAnotherStupid> but i'll try that
[09:57] <B105PH3RE> this .desktop file as to structured for xfce
[09:57] <MonkeyDust> YetAnotherStupid  post your issue on a forum, this or similar https://askubuntu.com/
[09:57] <B105PH3RE> very sepcific params
[09:58] <B105PH3RE> hidden and execute bits are very specific too so check the description as per the same page
[09:58] <B105PH3RE> i believe it would work but thats all i know about it
[09:59] <YetAnotherStupid> i'm not sure about what i should write inside the .desktop file
[09:59] <YetAnotherStupid> this specification contians a lot of information, and I'm struggling to understand some things...
[09:59] <B105PH3RE> file structure must be as per page https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html
[10:00] <B105PH3RE> contents i mean
[10:00] <danzizi> hi
[10:00] <B105PH3RE> basically make a desktop file to execute the autorun.sh and if the bits are right it will autorun.sh for you i believe
[10:01] <B105PH3RE> Hello
[10:01] <YetAnotherStupid> so name=autorun and exec=autorun.sh with the enconding?
[10:02] <danzizi> why i can't join ubuntu-offtopic???
[10:02] <Ben64> danzizi: you need to be registered
[10:02] <ducasse> !register | danzizi
[10:02] <danzizi> oh ,thanks
[10:02] <YetAnotherStupid> B105PH3RE: what type should i choose?
[10:03] <B105PH3RE> application
[10:03] <B105PH3RE> run in terminal yes
[10:04] <YetAnotherStupid> i guess strings here don't require quotes, like in the example
[10:04] <WoLf> Random question.. using NetworkManager, or manual /etc/network/interfaces? and for people who removed NM, why?
[10:04] <Ben64> WoLf: this isn't the place for polls
[10:05] <B105PH3RE> or do you mean which is better
[10:05] <YetAnotherStupid> not working
[10:05] <YetAnotherStupid> :(
[10:05] <B105PH3RE> what you put for exec
[10:05] <WoLf> that's what I'm trying to get at, B105PH3RE. Have an idea which way to go.
[10:06] <YetAnotherStupid> wait i'll upload it
[10:06] <ducasse> WoLf: use whichever you are comfortable with
[10:06] <YetAnotherStupid> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24019065/
[10:06] <B105PH3RE> depends on your needs and desires of your network config manual personally I prefer because it just listens... automation is more difficult but network manager is nice for gui setup and notifications so....
[10:07] <B105PH3RE> you need a location
[10:07] <B105PH3RE> working director
[10:07] <YetAnotherStupid> ummm how?
[10:07] <B105PH3RE> and I think you need to use bash
[10:08] <Fendaris> I want to source .bashrc. My terminal is in /home$ but if I type source .bashrc it says command not found. What am I doing wrong?
[10:08] <YetAnotherStupid> do you mean the Path option?
[10:08] <B105PH3RE> what do you mean source show the contents of the file you mean then you need to use more
[10:09] <ducasse> Fendaris: try 'source ~/.bashrc'
[10:09] <Fendaris> I added /usr/local/lib and /usr/local/include to my $PATH. But the manual says I now need to "You will need to source your .bashrc or logout/login (or restart the terminal) for the changes to take effect."
[10:09] <WoLf> More or less I wanted to know if it was worth to spend time learning NM, if it has any actual benefits over the manual editing.
[10:09] <Fendaris> "To source your .bashrc, simply type when in your home directory" "source .bashrc"
[10:09] <Fendaris> and that doesn't work. why?
[10:10] <ducasse> Fendaris: look at the difference in what i wrote
[10:10] <Fendaris> ah thanks didnt see the line yet :)
[10:10] <B105PH3RE> YetAnotherStupid: for exec put
[10:10] <alkisg> Fendaris: /home is not your home directory, but /home/username is
[10:11] <B105PH3RE> sorry put "Exec=/bin/bash $HOME/medianame"
[10:11] <Fendaris> ah alkisg, that explains it =)
[10:11] <YetAnotherStupid> where medianame is the name of the device, right?
[10:11] <B105PH3RE> ya
[10:11] <B105PH3RE> the mountname thats shows usually
[10:12] <YetAnotherStupid> still not working
[10:13] <B105PH3RE> the file name is test.desktop
[10:13] <Fendaris> Do files in linux not have an ending like in windows? .bashrc etc. don't have anything like .txt
[10:13] <YetAnotherStupid> *sigh*
[10:13] <B105PH3RE> not usually unless they are specific program files
[10:14] <Fendaris> and how do you know what kind of file it is?
[10:14] <B105PH3RE> you just do or do don't
[10:14] <Fendaris> or how does a program know what kind of file it is?
[10:14] <ducasse> Fendaris: they can have them, but it's not mandatory. use 'file' to determine file type
[10:14] <Fendaris> I mean... I am just unknowing, but that seems less useful than in windows?
[10:14] <cfhowlett> Fendaris, easy.  open a terminal in directory and run file filename
[10:14] <WoLf> you poke it and watch how it reacts. =P as in.. try to open in a file editor is usually the best bet.
[10:15] <Fendaris> ah, cool.
[10:15] <cfhowlett> and you will find you linux life easier if you can stop yourself from using the phrase "like windows'.
[10:15] <Fendaris> ".bashrc: ASCII text"
[10:15] <B105PH3RE> its the filename thats important not its type... the relevent programs know who to use
[10:15] <YetAnotherStupid> B105PH3RE: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24019095/
[10:15] <YetAnotherStupid> currently not working
[10:16] <YetAnotherStupid> however i see a problem here
[10:16] <Fendaris> @cfhowlett: I am just always confused why linux is so complicated for new users. Probably historical reasons. It took hours to explain android to my grandmother. Linux is several levels above that.
[10:16] <B105PH3RE> YetAnotherStupid: ok put the absolute directory path for the autorun.sh including autorun.sh so /media/user/medname/autorun.sh
[10:17] <cfhowlett> Fendaris, pretty sure you weren't born knowing windows, thus you can learn linux the same way you learned windows
[10:17] <Ben64> Fendaris: because people are used to other things, linux isn't any more complicated than windows
[10:17] <YetAnotherStupid> $HOME is "/home/$USER/" and Ubuntu and its flavors mount USBs in "/media/$USER/"
[10:17] <Fendaris> my example is changing the mouse speed.
[10:17] <YetAnotherStupid> yes that's what i was trying to say
[10:17] <Ben64> Fendaris: menu -> settings -> mouse -> pointer speed
[10:17] <Fendaris> why there is no slider for mouse speed in "mouse & touchpad" is beyond me.
[10:17] <B105PH3RE> also put the in a Path=/media/user/medianame/
[10:18] <Fendaris> @Ben64: I don't seem to have "pointer speed". Why not?
[10:18] <Ben64> Fendaris: whats this? http://imgur.com/a/Mbiq9
[10:18] <YetAnotherStupid> still not working
[10:18] <Fendaris> @Ben64 That slider does not exist in my ubuntu
[10:19] <B105PH3RE> hmm
[10:19] <B105PH3RE> well then were messed
[10:19] <Ben64> Fendaris: what do you have
[10:19] <YetAnotherStupid> when i mount the USB no prompt will appear, and no autorun script options will appear
[10:19] <Fendaris> General: Primary button left/right, and Double-click Slow/Fast
[10:19] <B105PH3RE> YetAnotherStupid: maybe further reading https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html#recognized-keys
[10:19] <MonkeyDust> Fendaris  type   file ~/.bashrc
[10:20] <YetAnotherStupid> yes i was reading that too
[10:20] <Fendaris> I have to say ubuntu is totally fascinating, while confusing =)
[10:20] <B105PH3RE> there a startupnotify option
[10:20] <B105PH3RE> TryExec also maybe
[10:21] <YetAnotherStupid> yes i'm changing my distro
[10:22] <YetAnotherStupid> fuck Xubuntu
[10:22] <Ben64> YetAnotherStupid: watch the language here
[10:22] <YetAnotherStupid> thank you so much for the help B105PH3RE
[10:22] <Fendaris> Ben64: When I used xinput to find my mouse, I also didn't find an acceleration option, so I wasn't able to follow the xinput -set-prop way. I managed to change my mouse speed with xset mouse
[10:22] <Fendaris> Ben64: Maybe my mouse is just "too new" for ubuntu, like my GPU etc.
[10:22] <Ben64> Fendaris: what ubuntu do you have, what gpu do you have, what mouse do you have
[10:22] <B105PH3RE> well i don't know if it works but i'm trying
[10:23] <B105PH3RE> thanx
[10:23] <B105PH3RE> because its says here if the tryexec https://specifications.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-0.5.html#mounting
[10:23] <Fendaris> 16.04. And a GTX1080. When I installed ubuntu the first time a few months ago (didn't get around to using it much yet), it of course gave a black screen during installation and caused all kinds of problems. People told me to "wait 6 months", but I figured out how to get it working after a day or so. The mouse is a roccat tyon black with an integrated sidestick
[10:25] <Ben64> Fendaris: you just need nvidia 367.27+ for that gpu, which comes with 16.04
[10:25] <Fendaris> Virtual core keyboard -> Roccat Roccat Tyon Black slave keyboard (3). and Virtual Core pointer --> Roccat Roccat Tyon Black slave pointer (2)
[10:25] <Ben64> ah, i guess because it doesn't come up as a mouse
[10:26] <Fendaris> when I got the GPU the main packages did not include the right drivers, so people here said the GPU isn't supported by #ubuntu and I was to wait 6 months.
[10:26] <Fendaris> because #ubuntu only supports standard packages or something like that
[10:26] <Fendaris> but it works now ^
[10:26] <Ben64> that's true but the driver is in there, and there's always the ubuntu graphics driver ppa
[10:27] <Fendaris> I had to install tensorflow, as a complete linux newbie, and ultimately needed drivers from none standard packages and compile from code. That was a fun experience. :-)
[10:27] <Fendaris> I will google for the mouse and ubuntu now
[10:27] <ducasse> Fendaris: i think there exists additional linux drivers for roccat mice, i remember reading about them.
[10:28] <B105PH3RE> Fendaris: did you try using the additional drivers see if options appear
[10:28] <Fendaris> you mean this https://launchpad.net/~berfenger/+archive/ubuntu/roccat
[10:29] <Fendaris> ah, no. that doesnt have the tyon.
[10:31] <Fendaris> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:berfenger/roccat --> sudo  apt-get update --> sudo apt-get install roccat tools
[10:32] <Fendaris> But when I open the roocat tool it says "Could not open file /dev/hidraw3 for device key hidraw0:Permission denied
[10:33] <Fendaris> Could not save unsaved data. Could not create directory: Permission denied. Maybe I need to run this as root?
[10:35] <Fendaris> *head on table* how do I even do that. :D The search window says "Roccat mouse configuration", but there is no right click run as root. And sudo Roccat mouse configuration says sudo: Roccat: command not found
[10:36] <Ben64> did you read the ppa page
[10:36] <Fendaris> find ./ -name "Roccat" -ls or find ~/ -name "Roccat" -ls
[10:36] <Fendaris>  is also wrong
[10:36] <Ben64> https://launchpad.net/~berfenger/+archive/ubuntu/roccat
[10:36] <Fendaris> Ben64: I feel like I need to be able to figure out how to find something that is shown in the search window and run it as root - independent from the mouse
[10:37] <Ben64> stop, read page first
[10:37] <Fendaris> i seem to have done everything on the page
[10:37] <Ben64> including adding your user to the group specified?
[10:38] <Fendaris> ah thx
[10:39] <Fendaris> I added the user now, the error persist
[10:39] <Ben64> what error
[10:39] <Fendaris> my user name is taryn@taryn and I did sudo adduser taryn roccat
[10:39] <ducasse> Fendaris: log out/in
[10:40] <Fendaris> "Could not read actual profile  could not open file /dev/hidraw3 for device key hidraw0: Permission denied
[10:40] <Fendaris> ducasse: ok
[10:40] <Fendaris> logout -> login did not change anything
[10:41] <Ben64> what is the output of "groups"
[10:41] <Fendaris> do i get that with echo $GROUPS?
[10:41] <Ben64> "groups"
[10:42] <Fendaris> why is that small and PATH big?
[10:42] <Ben64> because it's a command
[10:42] <Fendaris> "echo $groups" gives no result
[10:42] <Ben64> omg just type groups
[10:42] <Fendaris> ah just groups
[10:42] <Ben64> like i said
[10:42] <Fendaris> taryn adm cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare roccat
[10:42] <Fendaris> ah
[10:43] <Ben64> and what are you doing to get that error
[10:43] <dconroy> friday night linux support
[10:43] <Fendaris> groups roccat --> groups: 'roccat': no such user
[10:43] <Fendaris> I am pressing the "Search your computer" button of ubuntu. Then I click on "Roccat mouse configuration"
[10:43] <Fendaris> and I wonder if it needs to be started as root
[10:43] <Ben64> no
[10:44] <Ben64> try running roccattyonconfig
[10:44] <med911> Hi everybody. I have a question. I've heard that support for 32bit ubuntu is deprecated. Is this true?
[10:44] <Ben64> med911: no
[10:44] <med911> alright thanks.
[10:44] <cfhowlett> med911, not quite yet but soon.  plan ahead
[10:45] <dconroy> i scrolled up an hour and still not sure what we are debugging for Fendaris
[10:45] <cfhowlett> dcmorton, mouse driver
[10:46] <Fendaris> dconroy: Ubuntu does not give me a gui to change my mouse speed. I said that's so complicated. Ben64 showed me that's due to my fancy mouse. So I am trying to install drivers for the roccat tyon black
[10:46] <Fendaris> currently I am wondering how Ben64 knew that a file named roccattyonconfig exists, because the search you computer gui didnt offer that
[10:46] <Fendaris> I ran roccatyonconfig without sudo => same error
[10:46] <Fendaris> I ran it with sudo now
[10:46] <Fendaris> then the error doesnt come up
[10:46] <med911> another question. what are the future for snap packaging in ubuntu. is it something to watch for.
[10:47] <Fendaris> it gave a lot of hopefully irrelevant warnings (roccattyonconfig:32283): Tyon-WARNING **: Hardware data and rmp for profile 5 differ
[10:48] <dconroy> at what point it is worth just recommending switching mice
[10:48] <Fendaris> dconroy: The funny thing is. At some point my gpu, my wifi, and my mouse arent really compatible with ubuntu without hacks xD
[10:48] <med911> ???
[10:48] <Fendaris> I dont even want to know what else doesnt work properly that i am not aware of in my current setup
[10:49] <Fendaris> i tried to fix my wifi for 2 hours yesterday before deciding to buy a new wifi modem
[10:49] <Fendaris> the driver just crashes every 5 minutes, as i discovered with dmsg (?)
[10:50] <Fendaris> i also got a camera that doesnt work with the current kernels
[10:50] <Fendaris> and a cpu that needs the current kernels
[10:50] <Fendaris> Maybe I just dont run the right computer for a complete linux newbie
[10:50] <dconroy> we appreciate you giving it a go
[10:51] <Fendaris> haha, I am trying. I would love for everybody to use linux and just get rid of windows. That would surely also have a massive impact on the available ressources for improvements to useability for beginners...
[10:51] <Fendaris> I am probably just going to get rid of windows to force myself to get used to linux
[10:51] <Fendaris> ubuntu is also not compatible with my beamer
[10:52] <dconroy> ffs
[10:52] <Fendaris> There is supposed to be some way to install and android simulator and run the android beamer connector through that, but i will try that later
[10:52] <dconroy> figure out your mouse before you mess with any automotive OS
[10:53] <dconroy> dont tinker with your car
[10:53] <dconroy> if your mouse isnt working
[10:53] <Fendaris> you mean mobile os? ^
[10:53] <Fendaris> the mouse works fine now
[10:53] <clissold345> med911, I'm not an expert on this, but the plan may be that all applications are packaged as snaps.
[10:53] <Fendaris> :-) running the config through sudo fixed the error
[10:53] <dconroy> elevating privelages may solve problems but not always the right thing to do
[10:54] <MarkYisri> Anyone here having (X)ubuntu 16.04 randomly suspending about every 20 seconds?
[10:54] <ikonia> as in going into suspend mode
[10:54] <ikonia> or just freezing
[10:54] <Fendaris> let's go with the simple way that works for the moment, as a complete beginner, and I can return to it after I figured out the other 1 million things xD
[10:54] <med911> clissold345, where can I get a definite answer?
[10:54] <MarkYisri> @ikonia actual suspend (flashing light and all)
[10:54] <Fendaris> i broke my ubuntu a couple of times that way, but I just reinstalled, and didnt repeat the specific mistake.
[10:55] <ikonia> MarkYisri: I'd look in the log to see what's triggering the suspend
[10:55] <ducasse> med911: there is no definite answer, it will go where the community takes it
[10:55] <dconroy> mark what are you installed on
[10:55] <MarkYisri> A Toshiba Satellite A70. Please see http://askubuntu.com/q/884532/595510 for the log and temporary workaround (posted below)
[10:55] <nilson> moin
[10:56] <Fendaris> I am delaying what I am actually doing though... let's get back to getting cmake to run with an outdated boost version... maybe it works already
[10:56] <clissold345> med911, snaps are still in early stages of development, I'm not sure that Canonical know exactly what they're doing yet.
[10:56] <ikonia> that seems like a terrible idea Fendaris
[10:56] <ikonia> it seems like you should use the ubuntu package for boost
[10:56] <p00l3> Is it possible install xfce with ubuntu mini iso? not xubuntu desktop. Di i have this choice in list there or i have do it manually after install?
[10:56] <dconroy> have you tried http://askubuntu.com/questions/884532/xubuntu-16-04-suspending-randomly
[10:57] <Fendaris> ikonia: The alternative would be to fork gtsam (a big compplicated software) and update that to boost
[10:57] <ikonia> p00l3: yes
[10:57] <MarkYisri> dconroy: I'm an avid member on that site and that was my question!
[10:57] <p00l3> ok thanks
[10:57] <Fendaris> ikonia: It's a bit hillarious btw. Gtsam is compatible up to boost 1.57... of course 16.04 has 1.58 xD
[10:57] <MarkYisri> ikonia: I didn't know that you could install XFCE from the Ubuntu Mini ISO
[10:57] <ikonia> Fendaris: have you actually tried it against 1.58
[10:58] <dconroy> lol mark - my bad , I saw that and thought wow looks like the exact same problem
[10:58] <ikonia> MarkYisri: you can install anything from the mini-iso, it still points at the same repos as the full iso
[10:58] <Fendaris> ikonia: Yes. boost changed some important pointer things that are incompatible and throw errors during make install
[10:58] <ikonia> Fendaris: no, thats not true
[10:58] <ikonia> Fendaris: make install actually doesn't "build" anything,
[10:58] <ikonia> Fendaris: so make install should through no compile errors
[10:58] <Fendaris> ikonia: I already got rid of 1.58 successfully, and installed boost 1.55 into /usr/lib and /usr/include and updated $PATH to include those two folders
[10:59] <Ben64> that sounds horrible
[10:59] <ikonia> $PATH is nothing to do with the libraries
[10:59] <MarkYisri> dconroy: No problem.
[10:59] <ikonia> Fendaris: it sounds like you don't really understand what you are doing
[10:59] <ikonia> I suggest you stop
[10:59] <MarkYisri> Fendaris: I have to agree with ikonia here
[10:59] <Fendaris> ikonia: I am 99% certain that cmake .. worked. And then make install went to 70% and threw an error called something like error BOOST:: .... shared pointer not foudn
[11:00] <MarkYisri> can you show us the error Fendaris?
[11:00] <ikonia> Fendaris: I'm sorry, I don't trust what you are saying as fact,
[11:00] <Fendaris> MarkYisri: Unfortunately, I would have to reinstall 1.58 to reproduce that. I pasted the error here last night, and people agreed.
[11:00] <ikonia> Fendaris: the fact that you are using $PATH to set a library path removes any confidence in what you are doing
[11:00] <MarkYisri> ikonia: he may be confusing PATH with LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[11:01] <ikonia> MarkYisri: he may, he may not
[11:01] <Fendaris> ikonia: Sometimes, I don't get why you always try to stop people here? I can kill my ubuntu completely with no risk. Then I have to reinstall it for a few hours (hours due to incompatibilities and remembering how to work around them)
[11:01] <Ben64> because if you're going to do something, you should do it the right way
[11:01] <ikonia> Fendaris: I'm trying to stop you from making a mistake and wasting your time
[11:01] <Fendaris> ikonia: Experimenting with the different options is giving me some strongly needed exposure
[11:02] <ikonia> Fendaris: when actually you could probably achieve what you want with guidence
[11:02] <Fendaris> ikonia: So what's the right way to install boost <1.58? I googled lots of variations.
[11:02] <Ben64> see that's already wrong
[11:02] <ikonia> Fendaris: you're not experimenting, from what you've said you are typing random things in, and miss-understanding the output and setting random env variables
[11:02] <Fendaris> I can't use 1.58
[11:02] <MarkYisri> Fendaris: why can't you? It's best to use the latest version unless you can't
[11:02] <ikonia> Fendaris: you're welcome to carry on with that approach, however I don't believe it will get you anywhere
[11:03] <ikonia> you certainly don't have to follow my advice/suggestion
[11:03] <ikonia> I shall leave you to it
[11:03] <Fendaris> cmake was finding boost 1.58 on its own, after I installed it through apt-get. I can't install boost <1.58 with apt-get, because it's not in the ubuntu 16.04 package.
[11:03] <Fendaris> so I can specify cmake to find it, I believe... but I was curious why cmake can find 1.58 on its own, but not my manually installed 1.55
[11:03] <Fendaris> So I thought.. hey cmake is saying "update your search variables" .. maybe that means integrate it into a path variable
[11:04] <ikonia> because you are setting $PATH for example
[11:04] <Fendaris> so I figured out where the manual installation puts all the paths
[11:04] <ikonia> which is nothing to do with anything
[11:04] <MarkYisri> ikonia: let him finish
[11:04] <ikonia> I thought he had
[11:04] <Fendaris> how do I make cmake find boost 1.55, or how do I install boost 1.55 that makes cmake find boost 1.55 similar to how apt-get does that with 1.58?
[11:04] <ikonia> why 1.55
[11:04] <ikonia> why not 1.57
[11:04] <ikonia> (according to what you said)
[11:04] <ikonia> which is supported
[11:05] <Fendaris> I should probably have used 1.57, but I already finished installing 1.55 yesterday.
[11:05] <mutsy> Hi there folks. I'm using ubuntu 16.04 LTS but I can get any usb mounted immediately, it shows it in gnome-disks, but when I connect my Nexus 6P, it ain't showing... dmesg shows it is succesfully recognized, I did the input in /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules and have mtpfs etc but nothing works still ...
[11:05] <mutsy> anyone can help me out?
[11:05] <Fendaris> 1.57 isnt installable with apt-get either, is it? :(
[11:05] <ikonia> right
[11:05] <ikonia> so if you're building 1.55 - why not build 1.57
[11:05] <Fendaris> no reason. 1.57 would have been better.
[11:05] <ikonia> so is all too slapdash/random for me
[11:05] <ikonia> it's not thought through, planned or even understood
[11:05] <Fendaris> if 1.57 is easier to install, I can delete 1.55 and replace it with 1.57
[11:06] <Ben64> if you want old libboost, the best way would be to install ubuntu 14.04
[11:06] <MarkYisri> mutsy: Can you tell me what steps you followed?
[11:06] <Fendaris> Ben64: 14.04 is TERRIBLY incompatible with my pc
[11:06] <MarkYisri> Fendaris: why?
[11:06] <Fendaris> All kinds of different problems
[11:06] <Fendaris> 15.04 makes my internet EXTREMELY slow for example
[11:06] <Ben64> 15 != 14
[11:06] <Fendaris> I went through 14 15 and 16 on my path to install tensorflow
[11:07] <MarkYisri> Fendaris: The fact that you just switched from 15 to 14 does not inspire confidence. Don't change the subject in the middle of the sentence
[11:07] <Fendaris> I started with 16... nothing worked. So I went back to 14... then 15.... then ultimately I got everything to run on 16
[11:07] <Ben64> this whole thing seems to be heading badly
[11:07] <Ben64> running random things without concern
[11:07] <ducasse> Fendaris: run 14.04 in a container or vm
[11:08] <Fendaris> Guys. I asked what's the proper way to install an older boost version. And nobody except Ben has offered any suggestion. Ben said maybe it's easiest to install an older ubuntu.
[11:08] <Ben64> the proper way is to not install old stuff
[11:08] <Fendaris> I followed the official ubuntu installation guide on the boost homepage
[11:08] <ikonia> Fendaris: I'm not %100 sure you do need an older version
[11:08] <Fendaris> Ben64: How do you even work with open source if you refuse to install old stuff?
[11:08] <MarkYisri> Fendaris: It's better to fix the new version than install the old version
[11:08] <ikonia> Fendaris: and if you do need an older version, approaching it how you have being doing won't end well
[11:08] <Ben64> i install current stuff
[11:09] <Fendaris> I need a factor graph framework and gtsam is the best one. And that's not availble for 1.58
[11:09] <Fendaris> I could install it in windows in 5 minutes
[11:09] <royal_screwup21> I have some images stored in the form of .jpg links inside a text file. What would be the quickest way to view the images via the terminal?
[11:09] <Ben64> Prerequisites: Boost >= 1.43 (Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install libboost-all-dev)
[11:09] <mutsy> MarkYisri: okay so I have mtpfs and all the other dependencies installed, I have my phone set to MTP in the settings when connected, I have USB debugging enabled, it shows the nexus in "lsusb" and I put the following in 51-android.rules: SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idVendor}=="18d1", ATTR{idProduct}=="4ee2", MODE="0666" and when I try to do mtpfs -o allow_other /mnt or something, it tells the "endpoint is not
[11:09] <mutsy> connected"
[11:09] <chaitanya> irc.freenode.net
[11:09] <Ben64> note that doesn't say Boost <= 1.57 >= 1.43
[11:10] <Fendaris> Ben64: At the bottom it specifically mentions that 1.58 doesnt work. So i suspect versions below work
[11:10] <Fendaris> Ben64: But I can probably try 1.55 in a few minutes and test it :)
[11:10] <MarkYisri> mutsy: can you tell me what you installed? I'm going to try the same thing on my PC, as I would like to do the same thing as you
[11:10] <Ben64> it doesn't say that at all on this page
[11:10] <ikonia> it says it's supported
[11:10] <Fendaris> https://research.cc.gatech.edu/borg/gtsam?destination=node%2F299  --> Boost 1.58: This came out after GTSAM 3.2.1, and is not supported. The latest development code does support Boost 1.58 on Linux/Mac. Windows support is coming soon.
[11:11] <ikonia> you have to use the dev version of gtsam
[11:11] <Fendaris> I cant find the dev version. I was looking for it, too
[11:11] <Fendaris> probably just blind
[11:11] <ikonia> which makes more sense as when that is marked as stable....you won't have to change dependencies again
[11:11] <Ben64> https://bitbucket.org/gtborg/gtsam/pull-requests/264/fix-compile-error-with-boost-158/diff
[11:11] <mutsy> MarkYisri: uhh, let me check
[11:11] <Ben64> literally one line changed to get it working properly
[11:12] <Fendaris> i am blind. lol :D pardon
[11:12] <ikonia> so you could even patch it and package it
[11:12] <Fendaris> then i ll go ahead and delete 1.55 boost again, and reinstall 1.58
[11:12] <Ben64> much easier than going backwards
[11:12] <mutsy> MarkYisri: You probably need mtpfs only ...
[11:12] <ikonia> hence "stop what you are doing"
[11:12] <ikonia> because that was far easier than breaking your packages
[11:12] <mutsy> MarkYisri: just to mount it ... but even gnome-disks doesn't show it .. it should right?
[11:13] <MarkYisri> BoomerBile: I'm using Pidgin so that should still work for you
[11:13] <MarkYisri> mutsy: hang on while I try it
[11:13] <mutsy> MarkYisri: thanks!
[11:14] <royal_screwup21> I've got some images stored in the form of links like so: https://thepasteb.in/p/WnhzRnxWBnAhV What's the quickest way to view these images?
[11:15] <Ben64> royal_screwup21: you're missing http:
[11:15] <MarkYisri> mutsy: after typing your command it just hangs at the prompt. Let me Google it.
[11:15] <Ben64> royal_screwup21: but uh.... wget -i <file with the full urls>
[11:16] <mutsy> MarkYisri: uhh... the mount you mean?
[11:16] <mutsy> MarkYisri: it should go away tho
[11:17] <MarkYisri> mutsy: open the /etc/fuse.conf file and uncomment the user_allow_other line
[11:17] <royal_screwup21> Ben64 Cool, thanks! Is that command going to download my files?
[11:17] <Ben64> royal_screwup21: yes
[11:17] <mutsy> MarkYisri: yeah, already did that [;
[11:17] <mutsy> MarkYisri: Does that work for you? Since it ain't fixing anything for me
[11:18] <MarkYisri> mutsy: no, I'm following some steps. hang on
[11:18] <MarkYisri> mutsy: have the udev rules been configured?
[11:19] <mutsy> MarkYisri: well yeah, I got SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idVendor}=="18d1", ATTR{idProduct}=="4ee2", MODE="0666"
[11:19] <mutsy> which is output gained from lsusb
[11:19] <MarkYisri> mutsy: in what file?
[11:19] <mutsy> well .. the ID
[11:19] <mutsy> /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules
[11:20] <Fendaris> building. :-) hopefully should work now
[11:21] <mutsy> MarkYisri: the permissions are correct, according to some guides on stack overflow: "sudo chmod a+r /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules"
[11:22] <MarkYisri> mutsy: open /lib/udev/rules.d/69-libmtp.rules and duplicate the final line, changing the vendor/product ids for your 6P
[11:24] <mutsy> MarkYisri: mhm shouldn't I just copy the whole file to /etc/udev/rules.d? It says it at the top :o
[11:24] <MarkYisri> mutsy: I think it belongs where it is, but hang on
[11:25] <mutsy> MarkYisri: well ... it's just a copy, and it says it at the top.
[11:26] <MarkYisri> mutsy: on my system it doesn't exist in /etc/udev/rules.d
[11:26] <mutsy> MarkYisri: it doesn't exist on default. You have to create it. That's correct.
[11:27] <MarkYisri> I am rebooting now, I will be back in about 2-5 minutes. mutsy: I'm not leaving you hanging. :D
[11:28] <mutsy> MarkYisri: cool, same. I'll reboot too
[11:28] <MarkYisri> Come back with a similar username
[11:28] <mutsy> yeah ofc, I use sasl
[11:32] <MarkYisri> mutsy: are you back?
[11:32] <mutsy> yeah, check pm
[11:34] <moglie> is it safe to install an older libssl?
[11:43] <MarkYisri> moglie: Do you need the older libssl?
[11:47] <rami_> hello guys
[11:48] <rami_> how may i create a system state on ubuntu like the windows system restore to test something, and if goes bad i restore the os to the saved state
[11:48] <cfhowlett> rami_, virtualbox
[11:48] <rami_> ?
[11:49] <rami_> my ubuntu is installed on physical laptop
[11:49] <rami_> and i want to test on it
[11:50] <ikonia> rami_: you don't realy
[11:51] <moglie> MarkYisri, yes for a program that's only supported on 12.04
[11:52] <ikonia> you should use the ssl version that ships with your distro
[11:52] <ikonia> and is patched and maintained by your distro/version
[11:52] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:52] <ikonia> nothing else
[12:07] <Castor_Troy> i downloaded a software called turtl. it is a tar.bz2 file. i extracted it, went to terminal and ran the ./install.sh command. it installed the software in /opt/turtl. when i go there i could only run using sudo turtl.
[12:08] <Castor_Troy> i couldn't even run the app from the linux gui search, though i see turtl come up in the list
[12:08] <Castor_Troy> what could be wrong? why cant i run it normally without sudo ?
[12:08] <ikonia> look at the permissions on it
[12:10] <k1l_> /opt is owned by root as standard, so you ran the install script with sudo. chown the software folder to the owner it needs to be.
[12:10] <Castor_Troy> so i should have installed it using sudo ./install.sh ?
[12:11] <k1l_> you did that already. else it could not have put its own stuff there
[12:11] <ikonia> Castor_Troy: no
[12:12] <Castor_Troy> lol i just deleted the folder. i will try to install again
[12:12] <ikonia> why?
[12:12] <dconroy> the Face Off method
[12:12] <Castor_Troy> hastiness :)
[12:12] <ikonia> I just told you what to do
[12:12] <ikonia> just look at the permissions
[12:13] <ikonia> a re-install will just do the same install again
[12:13] <dconroy> why do that when you can nuke everything
[12:13] <Castor_Troy> ok. will do that. extracting the bz2 file now
[12:13] <ikonia> what is the point of people asking for help to then do their own thing anyway
[12:13] <Castor_Troy> shall i install usindg sudo ./install.sh
[12:14] <ikonia> Castor_Troy: do what you want
[12:14] <ikonia> you'll ignore the info anyway
[12:14] <ikonia> but re-read what k1l_ just told you
[12:14] <dconroy> the whole castor troy handle and the  use of sudo align pretty perfectly
[12:15] <Castor_Troy> how to look for permissions ?
[12:15] <Castor_Troy> i ran ls -l => -rwxr-xr-x
[12:15] <Castor_Troy> root and root
[12:15] <dconroy> castor, try to install it without elevated permissions first
[12:16] <dconroy> if it doesnt work, refer to the documentation of the package
[12:16] <Castor_Troy> it asks me to install with sudo, or intall to a local dir
[12:16] <dconroy> do the latter if possible
[12:16] <ikonia> re-read what k1l_ told you
[12:16] <Castor_Troy> Hi! Looks like you're trying to install Turtl without root privs. Try this:  sudo ./install.sh -OR- you can install into a local dir like so:   ./install.sh ~/apps/turtl
[12:17] <dconroy> ikonia: i respect your patience
[12:17] <Castor_Troy> ok, should i chown the folder or install it into a seperate folder.
[12:17] <Castor_Troy> since i already installed, may be chown is easier now ?
[12:17] <ikonia> dconroy: than you
[12:17] <dconroy> you dont seem ready to be messing with chown
[12:18] <dconroy> just create a folder in your home directory you have access to
[12:18] <dconroy> and install it there
[12:18] <Castor_Troy> ok
[12:18] <Castor_Troy> where does software normally go? in linux ?
[12:18] <Castor_Troy> its program files in windows. is there a suggested path in linux ?
[12:19] <ikonia> no
[12:20] <Castor_Troy> i was watching a tutorial earlier and he said some software go to /usr/local
[12:20] <ikonia> it can
[12:21] <ikonia> it also may not
[12:21] <Castor_Troy> ok i will create the folder in /home and will install it there
[12:21] <Fendaris> Castor_Troy: I believe /home/yourusername/yourfavouritefoldername/ is a good place, abbreviated as ~/yourfavouritefoldername/
[12:22] <Castor_Troy> sounds good
[12:22] <dconroy>  as a side note, very little comparisions to windows will help
[12:22] <Fendaris> I just started fixing my linux knowledge gaps, too. Mostly familiar with windows.
[12:23] <Fendaris> I am currently installing a local git, after I setup sublime. Ubuntu is fun. :-)
[12:23] <dconroy> rule of thumb is never restart, and it is always dns
[12:24] <dconroy> ubuntu is almost too user friendly at this point
[12:24] <Fendaris> that is definitely not the case if this os is ever supposed to replace windows at any point in the future ^
[12:24] <dconroy> its not intended to replace windows
[12:24] <Fendaris> then linux users should stop crying about not getting supported.
[12:25] <dconroy> we dont
[12:25] <Fendaris> by that i mean demanding that software gets ported to linux
[12:25] <Fendaris> they do
[12:25] <Fendaris> Steam is full of it for example.
[12:25] <ikonia> steam is comedy
[12:25] <dconroy> people complaining about steam are gamers before linux users
[12:26] <gobertgedford> can i upgrade to .2 using apt full-upgrade?
[12:26] <Castor_Troy> ok i installed it to ~/apps/turtl
[12:26] <Castor_Troy> there is a turtl.sh file there,
[12:26] <Fendaris> If you that was truly your opinion at the core, you wouldn't be providing free help to new ubuntu explorers
[12:26] <Ben64> gobertgedford: you're going to need to be more specific
[12:26] <ryeth> even if they were gamers before linux users, WINE could be implemented to run their games
[12:27] <Castor_Troy> how do i run ~/apps/turtl/turtl.sh from gui ?
[12:27] <dconroy> Fendaris:  i learn more than  i provide
[12:27] <ikonia> it's a shell script
[12:27] <ikonia> you don't
[12:27] <gobertgedford> 16.04.1 to 16.04.2 via full-upgrade
[12:27] <Ben64> gobertgedford: yeah
[12:27] <dconroy> kinda bs there was no 14 to 16 upgrade
[12:27] <gobertgedford> cool
[12:28] <Ben64> dconroy: 14.04 upgrades to 16.04, not sure what you're talking about
[12:28] <Castor_Troy> but running that sh from terminal is loading up a gui interface
[12:28] <dconroy> on a system76?
[12:28] <Castor_Troy> so something must be there to load via gui, right ?
[12:28] <Ben64> dconroy: why are you switching gears to hardware
[12:28] <gobertgedford> well, canonical just released the .2 release of of 16.04
 use apt update first
[12:28] <gobertgedford> sure
[12:29] <gobertgedford> my gf thinks my nick name ain't funny... how bout you guys?
[12:29] <ikonia> don't care
[12:29] <pauljw> and yes, dconroy, on a sys76 just like any other system.
[12:29] <dconroy> i work in a lab with a few talented engineers running 14.04 and they said no proper install for 16
[12:29] <dconroy> sounded weird to me but i just trusted them
[12:29] <Ben64> 14.04 can upgrade directly to 16.04, so... either they're wrong or you heard wrong
[12:29] <dconroy> its really supported?
[12:30] <dconroy> nah i didnt hear wrong cause i helped them backup everything
[12:30] <dconroy> ssh keys, bash profiles
[12:30] <dconroy> they got annual performance reviews this week
[12:31] <dconroy> those noobs are gonna get scorched
[12:31] <Fendaris> they probably meant something else
[12:32] <dconroy> 14.01-3 in the same boat?
[12:32] <Ben64> there is no 14.01-3
[12:32] <dconroy> ok
[12:32] <pauljw> heheh
[12:32] <dconroy> so if its 14 then its 14.04
[12:32] <Ben64> there is 14.10
[12:33] <dconroy> in hindsight, i kind of respect the move
[12:37] <ryeth> what's funny about gobertgedford?  Because it should say robertredford?
[12:38] <Fendaris> what is the difference between playonlinux and wine? I am looking at installing kindle.
[12:38] <Ben64> playonlinux is like a friendly front to wine
[12:38] <Fendaris> so just makes it easier. oki.
[12:38] <Fendaris> Ben64: Gtsam compiled and installed well with the dev build etc. :-)
[12:39] <Fendaris> thx again
[12:42] <ryeth> Ben64 handy to know!  Thank you for sharing
[12:47] <unrecovered> hi! can i ask mint questions here or is there a separate channel for that?
[12:48] <koleygr> !mint
[12:48] <unrecovered> thanks!
[12:57] <ace__> ace
[12:57] <ace__> hii
[12:59] <ace__> hello
[13:00] <cfhowlett> ace__, the topic here is ubuntu support.  ask your questions here or jibberjabber in #ubuntu-offtopic
 He gone
[13:01] <jancoow> Hi. When I do chown www-data webserver, and my user, janco, is in the www-data group I still doesn't have premissions to write in this directory
[13:02] <koleygr> !ubuntu-server
[13:03] <jancoow> ?
[13:03] <cfhowlett> jancoow, ask the server channel?
[13:03] <ducasse> jancoow: exactly what did you type when you ran chown?
[13:03] <koleygr> try in #ubuntu-server
[13:03] <jancoow> it's just regular permission question
[13:04] <jancoow> ducasse: sudo chown www-data webserver
[13:04] <jancoow> where webserver is the directory
[13:04] <ducasse> jancoow: that sets owner, not group
[13:05] <ducasse> jancoow: use chgrp instead to just set the group
[13:05] <Fendaris> Well, of course. Now kindle is running, but the displayed books dont work. half of the text is missing
[13:05] <k1l_> jancoow: chown user:group
[13:05] <ducasse> or that
[13:06] <jancoow> ducasse: Okay I did that but still permissons denied. Doesn't the chgrp or chown change the permissons ?
[13:06] <k1l_> if you still have www-data:root that user still cant write even if he is in the www-data group
[13:06] <k1l_> did you relogin after putting that user into the group?
[13:06] <jancoow> no
[13:06] <k1l_> new groups are only done on new login
[13:07] <jancoow> I did relogin now, but still permissions denied when I want to enter the directory. drw-rw-r--  7 www-data www-data 4096 Feb 12 01:39 webserver
[13:07] <ducasse> jancoow: chmod +x
[13:07] <jancoow> When I run groups janco I see the ww-data group
[13:07] <k1l_> its a folder? then it needs +x to be able to be entered
[13:08] <jancoow> thanks, that works
[13:08] <jancoow> Could you explain to my why that works?
[13:08] <jancoow> I was thinking I need the 660 permissions (both read/write for group and owner)
[13:09] <ducasse> jancoow: you need +x to enter directories
[13:09] <k1l_> opening a directory is executing the directory
[13:10] <jancoow> ah, so I need execute :_)
[13:10] <jancoow> that explains a lot! thanks!
[13:10] <Fendaris> Playonlinux,Kindle not showing half the text fix: --> View show popular notes, click one of the notes, text appears, go back to the start of the book and read it
[13:10] <ducasse> !wine | Fendaris
[13:10] <puchacz> hi, if I had RAM problem (I discovered md5sum was sometimes computed differently on the same file, so I checked memtest and indeed one RAM had to be ditched) - should I reinstall ubuntu now?
[13:11] <ioria> jancoow, http://superuser.com/questions/168578/why-a-folder-must-be-executable
[13:11] <Fendaris> I have wine behind playonlinux @  ducasse
[13:11] <ducasse> Fendaris: oops, missed the word 'fix' - sorry :)
[13:11] <cfhowlett> puchacz, ram and md5sum are unrelated issues
[13:11] <k1l_> puchacz: you should buy new ram or take off that faulty one
[13:11] <cfhowlett> puchacz, but a reinstall should not be necessary
[13:12] <Fendaris> I am happy. I got my principles and practice of using c++ book open on ubuntu now. Maybe I can go for some hours without having to install anything now =)
[13:12] <puchacz> cfhowlett, k1l_: I ditched the faulty RAM, sure. but I wonder if some linux files are not corrupted
[13:12] <puchacz> I am also surprised I did not get "parity error" style messages
[13:13] <cfhowlett> puchacz, unlikely but possible.  reinstall won't hurt you so ... up to you
[13:13] <john__> hi
[13:14] <john__> recently installed 16.10 and unable to get an external usb hdd drive detected
[13:14] <john__> can anyone assist?
[13:14] <john__> fdisk and lsusb do not show the disk and nothing in dmesg when plugged in to free usb port
[13:14] <k1l_> john__: plug that drive in and run "dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999" and show the url here
[13:15] <BluesKaj> john__, sudo blkid
[13:15] <k1l_> john__: uh, is that drive working at all? on other pc?
[13:15] <john__> i have also noticed that when i try lshw with the drive plugged in it freezes...
[13:15] <k1l_> john__: does it have external power supply?  or does i need usb power? can you use different usb ports?
[13:15] <BluesKaj> john__, or lsblk
[13:16] <john__> that is it displays usb in terminal and then nothing...
[13:16] <john__> unplug it again and the lshw command completes
[13:16] <john__> any suggestions? thanks
[13:16] <ioria> john__, unplug, replug  and paste dmesg | tail
[13:18] <john__> dmesg |tail
[13:18] <john__> [ 5477.095261] systemd[1]: snapd.refresh.timer: Adding 1h 9min 55.047954s random time.
[13:18] <john__> [ 5477.194568] systemd[1]: apt-daily.timer: Adding 11h 5min 42.101001s random time.
[13:18] <john__> [ 5477.194620] systemd[1]: snapd.refresh.timer: Adding 1h 2min 55.484818s random time.
[13:18] <john__> [ 5529.117171] usb 3-6: new low-speed USB device number 105 using xhci_hcd
[13:18] <john__> [ 5529.260848] usb 3-6: New USB device found, idVendor=093a, idProduct=2510
[13:18] <bsd> when i create a new user, after switching to the user i created it shows No directory,logging in with HOME=/
[13:18] <bsd> how to finx this
[13:19] <BluesKaj> lets hope the drive isn't writing while he unplugs
[13:19] <ioria> john__,  not here paste.ubuntu.com  or use pastebinit
[13:19] <k1l_> bsd how did you create it?
[13:19] <ducasse> bsd: you probably created the user without creating a homedir
[13:20] <ioria> bsd  useradd or adduser command ?
[13:20] <bsd> k1l_: ducasse do we need to manually create a home dir?
[13:20] <john__> ioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24019912/
[13:20] <bsd> ioria: useradd command
[13:20] <k1l_> bsd: the ubuntu/debian command is adduser.
[13:20] <ioria> bsd  adduser is better :)
[13:20] <k1l_> bsd: if you use commands that dont create such things: yes you need to do that manually :)
[13:21] <ioria> john__,  that's a mouse ....
[13:22] <john__> ioria: that is the tail of dmesg - i have a mouse plugged in. the tail of dmesg doesnt change when i plug/unplug the drive in question
[13:22] <ioria> john__,  well, no disk then
[13:23] <ioria> john__,  do you see the leds on the case flashing ?
[13:24] <ioria> john__,  what is that ? 2.5'', 3.5'' sata, ide  what's in the case ?
[13:24] <john__> ioria: its an external hdd is an usb enclosure - the disk has its own power and is spins up. worked prior to installation of yaketty
[13:24] <k1l_> john__: does the hdd work on other pc? did you try different usb ports? des it need external power or does it use usb power?
[13:25] <john__> ioria: its an external hdd is an usb enclosure - the disk has its own power and is spins up. worked prior to installation of yaketty
[13:25] <john__> all ports tried
[13:25] <bsd> guys,why i nt able to login using sudo su -.i have to type su - to come to root
[13:25] <ioria> john__,  k1l_ ^^
[13:25] <bsd> guys,why i nt able to login using  su -.i have to type sudo su - to come to root *********
 su is a debian command not recomented on ubuntu
[13:26] <ducasse> !root | bsd
[13:26] <ioria> john__,  the 'other pc' part ...
[13:26] <koleygr> you use sudo to run commands as root
[13:26] <k1l_> bsd: use sudo, not su
[13:27] <bsd> how can i come to root using su
[13:27] <SchrodingersScat> bsd: sudo -i
[13:27] <john__> ioria: not yet - hoping to avoid having to borrow windows machine :(
[13:27] <k1l_> bsd: you are aware this is ubuntu and not bsd? some things are different :)
[13:27] <bsd> k1l_: ah ok
[13:28] <k1l_> bsd: see the bots message which explains how sudo is integrated in ubuntu instead of su
[13:28] <cfhowlett> bsd, in fact, you SHOULD be using the bsd support channels and NOT ubuntu.  we don't support bsd here.  sorry.
[13:29] <k1l_> bsd: and if you are not using ubuntu at all, then there is no sense in asking in here since these differences :)
[13:30] <bsd> k1l_: one more help i need i m trying to ping ubuntu which is under another virtual box
[13:30] <bsd> but ping is not happening,could you tell me how to fix this
[13:30] <ioria> john__,  sudo parted -l
[13:30] <k1l_> bsd: ask the host OS support for that.
[13:30] <bsd> k1l_: where?
[13:31] <koleygr> !bsd
[13:31] <k1l_> bsd: what is the host os?
[13:31] <bsd> k1l_: ubuntu
[13:31] <SchrodingersScat> probably has to do with your virtualbox network settings
[13:31] <k1l_> bsd: which ubuntu is it running as host?
[13:31] <bsd> host os is also inside a virtual box,the os which i want to connect is also in another physical machine's vmware
[13:32] <bsd> k1l_: 16.10
[13:32] <k1l_> that sounds like a strange setup
[13:32] <john__> ioria: tried that too - only the OS disk listed...
[13:32] <john__> Guess i will just have to try another machine first - disk could have died i guess
[13:33] <john__> thanks for the assistance
[13:33] <bsd> k1l_: yeah
[13:33] <ioria> john__,  let's try it
[13:34] <john__> ioria: will do later, unable to right now
[13:35] <ioria> john__,  lsusb should at least show you the case device
[13:35] <abhaystoic> \##linux
[13:36] <ioria> john__,  do you see it ?
[13:46] <costamorica> holq
[13:49] <fajarlaksono> give me money
[14:03] <bum> What's miracast
[14:06] <timehop> can somebody link me to where I can buy laptops with Ubuntu already installed
[14:06] <timehop> I found it once but can't find it again
[14:06] <k1l_> system76 for example
[14:07] <cfhowlett> timehop, dell xps 13
 it depends on your country... try search for N0 OS or Free DOS or Linux etc preinstalled
[14:07] <Npco> Has anyone ever found a use for Clamav?
[14:08] <puchacz> will tar -xf show CRC errors if it is corrupted?
[14:08] <tomreyn> timehop: https://linuxpreloaded.com/
[14:08] <cfhowlett> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuPre-installed
[14:08] <cfhowlett> https://certification.ubuntu.com/certification/desktop/models/?category=Laptop
 It is very easy to install linux... So No OS has to support linux and you can install it
[14:09] <k1l_> Npco: the main purpose is to scan windows partitions.
[14:09] <ub_ubuntu> Is cannonical live patch service supported in 16.10 also??
[14:10] <k1l_> ubuntufan: no. only LTS
[14:10] <npower> hello
[14:10] <Lavinho> good morning
[14:10] <ub_ubuntu> k1l_: Thanks..:-)
[14:10] <Lavinho> how to solved isssues lenovo ideapad 100s '
[14:10] <Lavinho> ?
[14:12] <npower> try describing it more clearly @lavinho
[14:14] <timehop> ty
[14:14] <Lavinho> what ?
[14:15] <tomreyn> Lavinho: please describe the Ubuntu issue you're experiencing - in detail.
[14:15] <Lavinho> crash computer
[14:16] <lynonymous> xD
[14:16] <cfhowlett> Lavinho, please read:  https://inkscape.org/media/cms_page_media/56/ask-smart-questions.pdf
[14:16] <SatoshiRole1> Hey folks! I'm trying to a fresh install of 16.04 on a machine with one SSD, and two identical HDD. I'd like to configure the two HDD to be a software RAID0, and mounted at /home.
[14:16] <Fendaris> I am trying to make sublime accessible from console. I ran the following command. But I believe my folder is wrong. How can I find the sublime executable folder? ln -s "/Applications/Sublime Text.app/Contents/SharedSupport/bin/subl" /usr/local/bin/sublime
[14:17] <tomreyn> !pt | Lavinho
[14:17] <Lavinho> freezes on laptop
[14:18] <tomreyn> SatoshiRole1: good plan, good luck!
[14:19] <Andyuser54> Can someone pm me please
[14:19] <nubi_> assalamualaikum
[14:19] <Fendaris> how do I find this location via terminal? "/Applications/Sublime Text.app/Contents/SharedSupport/bin/subl"
[14:19] <cfhowlett> Andyuser54, ask your question in this channel
[14:20] <Andyuser54> Does anyone know anything about porting Ubuntu touch to a new device?
[14:20] <Andyuser54> I've searched around
[14:20] <cfhowlett> !touch | Andyuser54
[14:20] <k1l_> Andyuser54: and for porting as in #ubports
[14:20] <k1l_> *ask
[14:21] <SatoshiRole1> tomreyn, From the live CD, I installed mdadm, and created the RAID. Everything seems find during the install, but the system won't boot. It drops into single user mode.
[14:23] <Fendaris> Correct way to do it: sudo ln -s /opt/sublime/sublime_text /usr/local/bin/subl
[14:25] <Lavinho> Pc blocks with ubuntu to watch videos and downloads at the same time
[14:25] <cfhowlett> Lavinho, your first language please?
[14:26] <Lavinho> portuguese
[14:26] <cfhowlett> !pt | Lavinho
[14:29] <SatoshiRole1> Hi guys. I'm hoping someone can help me with creating a RAID0, and mounting it as /home.
[14:30] <mrinal> hi
[14:31] <tomreyn> SatoshiRole1: i'll be afk for ~ an hour, i'll ping you when i return just to see whether you still look for assistence.
[14:31] <tomreyn> prepare some more info in the meantime, such as your partition shcemes, drives, etc.
[14:32] <k1l_> SatoshiRole1: where do you struggle? create that raid and choose it as target on the manual partitioning task on the install?
[14:33] <SatoshiRole1> tomreyn: Thank you sir. Yes, have an overwhelming, bunch of info I've collected over the last week. I've been getting my ass kicked for over a week, and I've tried it 12 different ways. :)
[14:33] <KamiRath> are there any light weight browsers specifically for browsing videos? html5 and the like?
[14:33] <cfhowlett> you could try one of the terminal based ones possibly
[14:33] <cfhowlett> !browser
[14:35] <SatoshiRole1> k1l_: Thanks, yes this is a fresh install of 16.04, so I'm willing to do it however works. I was using mdadm to create the RAID from the live CD, and then install Ubuntu after. Now, I'm trying to install Ubuntu first, and then create the RAID, and move the /home mount point after.
[14:36] <k1l_> SatoshiRole1: so create that raid and change the mountpoint in the fstab for the home partition to that raid?
[14:37] <SatoshiRole1> k1l_: will that work with encrypted home folders?
[14:37] <k1l_> hmm, i dont know about encrypted home on raid0.
[14:38] <rigo_> hi. do i need to be aware of anything if i want to use ubuntu on a probook with lid closed only through DP via receiver on a tv? because i only see the picture as if it'd be windowed so it does not fill the whole tv
[14:39] <SatoshiRole1> k1l_: well, let me try it. We'll see what happens. I have zero risk of data loss.
[14:43] <SatoshiRole1> rigo_: I think you'll need to change /etc/systemd/logind.conf to not put the laptop to sleep when the lid is down.
[14:45] <SatoshiRole1> rigo_: Feel free to say so, if my statement doesn't mean anything to you. I don't know your linux experience level.
[14:46] <Vuurdraak_> hi all, im having a problem using usb sticks without an activity led, because ubuntu does 2 weird things when copying, first it has the progressbar going to 99% very quickly even if it still takes an hour to copy the file, and then in the end the progress window disapears as if the copying is ready, but i can still see data being writen to the stick for some time, is there a way to get the actual copy progress ?
[14:47] <Npco> what do i use to create a bootable usb?
[14:47] <rigo_> i know what you're saying it's just not about not going to sleep but about the "windowed" look on the tv
[14:47] <SatoshiRole1> Vuurdraak_: +1 on this question. This drives me absolutely crazy!
[14:47] <k1l_> Npco: what OS are you using now?
[14:47] <Vuurdraak_> no just a normal usb stick that i use in my dvd player
[14:47] <rigo_> i'll upload a pic right away
[14:47] <Vuurdraak_> i just went to a store and did not buy an usb stick that was cheap because it has no led
[14:48] <lynonymous> Npco are u on a linux distro?
[14:48] <Vuurdraak_> its also very enoying that u basicly have no clue how long the copy prosses will go on
[14:49] <Npco> I am using 2017-w07-amd64
[14:49] <SatoshiRole1> Vuurdraak_: even with the blinking led, having no status of how long it will be is unacceptable.
[14:49] <Vuurdraak_> true
[14:49] <k1l_> Npco: use rufus when you are on windows to create a ubuntu usb
[14:49] <Vuurdraak_> i was assuming that it is because the file is being cached in memory or what ever, maybe it can be turned of to write data to memory when copying to an usb stick ?
[14:51] <SatoshiRole1> Vuurdraak_: right, it's like the progress bar shows the transfer into the buffer, not actually the drive.
[14:51] <Vuurdraak_> yeh thats what it looks like
[14:52] <Npco> I found the apparmor file in my pc var/cache/apparmor, what it do?
[14:53] <naomi_> 2007
[14:54] <SatoshiRole1> Vuurdraak_: I'm not in a position where I can test any of this, but take a look.
[14:54] <SatoshiRole1> http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/01/disable-disk-caching-prevent-data-loss/
[14:54] <Vuurdraak_> I'm going to try out killing the write cache for the usb stick, once my video is rendered and needs to be copied over with: sudo hdparm -W 0 /dev/devicename
[14:55] <Vuurdraak_> SatoshiRole1, yeh it says basicly the same thing
[14:56] <Vuurdraak_> gona test it now the hobbit3 is done rendering :)
[14:58] <Vuurdraak_> SatoshiRole1, not sure how i can find the propper device name
[15:01] <Vuurdraak_> ow wait sudo fdisk -l
[15:01] <feelsbadman> cool ubuntu has a handbook didnt know :|
[15:02] <feelsbadman> oh thats a personal blog, my bad
[15:02] <Vuurdraak_> i guess the flash drive is simply the 4th drive iaw /dev/sdd
[15:02] <cfhowlett> !fcm | feelsbadman,
[15:03] <kierqueen> how do I install all the plugins necessary to play different types of audio , and video ?
[15:03] <feelsbadman> thanks cfhowlett
[15:03] <cfhowlett> kierqueen, sudo apt install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:03] <cfhowlett> happy2help! feelsbadman
[15:04] <Vuurdraak_> lol it says drive caching is not supported, i go test anyway what i see now while copying the video
[15:05] <kierqueen> and what is ubuntu restricted addons package for ?
[15:05] <rigo_> SatoshiRole1: http://i64.tinypic.com/2numyyo.jpg
[15:05] <kierqueen> What does it do ?
[15:05] <Vuurdraak_> noop same old same old, progress bar is pretending it has written more data to the usb stick then it could have done
[15:05] <kierqueen> cfhowlett:
[15:06] <k1l_> !codecs | kierqueen
[15:06] <MonkeyDust> kierqueen  it installs non-free codecs, mp3 et al
[15:06] <cfhowlett> kierqueen, it does precisely what you asked for ...
[15:06] <kierqueen> you mean the addons package ? But you recommende me the extras package
[15:06] <SatoshiRole1> k1l_: so, I'm about to create the raid now. Any reasons to create partitions, rather than to just make the raid out of the entire drives?
[15:06] <MonkeyDust> kierqueen  you asked how to play media, you're told how, then you ask 'what does it do'
[15:07] <kierqueen> why are the codecs not inlcuded by default ? Like windows does play all the videos properly
[15:07] <cfhowlett> kierqueen, legal reasons  and ubuntu ain't windows
[15:08] <Vuurdraak_> kierqueen, because its copyrighted stuff owned by compagnies , so not free open source etc
[15:08] <kierqueen> MonkeyDust: but should I go for restricted or addons ? What's the difference
[15:08] <kierqueen> They both contain codecs ?
[15:08] <MonkeyDust> kierqueen  because the codecs are not free and open source (more or less)
[15:08] <cfhowlett> kierqueen, you are not reading clearly. the package you want is ubuntu-restricted-addons.  ONE package.
[15:09] <bsd> apt-add-repository what does this contain?
[15:09] <kierqueen> OK, then what's the extras package for ?
[15:09] <k1l_> bsd: it adds repos
[15:09] <kierqueen> ubuntu-restricted-addons
[15:09] <SatoshiRole1> kierqueen: This package was an option during the install you missed.
[15:09] <bsd> k1l_: where does it add? in sources.list?
[15:09] <cfhowlett> kierqueen, my bad.  apologies. ubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:09] <k1l_> kierqueen: did you read the message and link from the bot?
[15:09] <rigo_> and it's full screen while the installation
[15:10] <k1l_> bsd: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ folder on ubuntu
[15:10] <bsd> great
[15:10] <k1l_> bsd: 3rd party repos dont belong into the sources.list
[15:10] <kierqueen> SatoshiRole1: no it was not, I clicked to include third party packages for mmpeg,etc that option that came during the offline install I carried out
[15:11] <k1l_> kierqueen: offline install cant add 3rd party packages for media etc.
[15:11] <bsd> k1l_: so why do we do apt-get-update after that
[15:11] <bsd> k1l_: since sources.list is in my local machine
[15:12] <k1l_> bsd: to re-read the whole sources list and sources.list.d folder to included all repos from there and grab the packages lists from the servers
[15:12] <MonkeyDust> kierqueen  in a terminal type   vrms
[15:12] <SatoshiRole1> kierqueen: Oh, my bad. I didn't realize you were doing an off-line install. I haven't done one of those in years.
[15:20] <SatoshiRole1> k1l_: okay, So I created the RAID0 using mdadm.
[15:20] <chero> test
[15:21] <Vuurdraak_> chero, test worked you win a free downloadable version of Ubuntu
[15:21] <SatoshiRole1> k1l_: do you think i should just copy the contents of /home to it?
[15:23] <Vuurdraak_> normaly the /home dir should not have anything in it that depends on its physical location on the disk, one would asume
[15:23] <k1l_> SatoshiRole1: i am not familiar with such setups
[15:24] <Vuurdraak_> i can only imagine that the /boot dir is critical in that sencse, but i never used raid
[15:24] <SatoshiRole1> k1l_: Vuurdraak_: cool, I'm just going to do it, and see what happens.
[15:24] <adac> Having some issues on upgrading with sudo do-release-upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04 "An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade."
[15:25] <adac> I did a grep on the packages and I get the follwoing:
[15:25] <adac> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/e2141ef0f6680efbff8eb5282ad44642
[15:25] <cfhowlett> adac, "resolvable" is the key adjective. do a clean install of 16.04.
[15:25] <adac> Which packages actually is it that conflicts? The list is quite long
[15:26] <MonkeyDust> adac  for one, i see some ppas in the list, they may work for 14.04, but not for 16.04
[15:26] <k1l_> adac: PPAs included in that 14.04 install?
[15:27] <adac>  MonkeyDust k1l_ yes they were
[15:27] <adac> but I thought they would be disabled in upgrade?
[15:27] <MonkeyDust> adac  plus, many broken packages sit in the Universe repo
[15:28] <adac> cfhowlett, hmm I cannot do that right now
[15:28] <adac> MonkeyDust, yeah I saw that may of them are from the universe repo
[15:28] <adac> no clue why?
[15:28] <adac> Do you have an idea?
[15:29] <k1l_> adac: can you show "grep -i error /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log | nc termbin.com 9999"
[15:29] <estan> hi folks. i installed ubuntu-make with sudo apt install ubuntu-make, but umake ide -h isn't showing pycharm, only visual-studio-code and lighttable. must i install ubuntu-make from PPA in order for pycharm to be available?
[15:29] <estan> (this is on 16.04)
[15:30] <kierqueen> how do I buttons for the rhythmbox music player, forward, and backward play ,etc /
[15:30] <kierqueen> the arrow keys don't work
[15:30] <adac> k1l_, http://termbin.com/ox32
[15:31] <adac> thats all of the output
[15:31] <Vuurdraak_> kierqueen, open Rhythmbox by clicking on it in the top bar
[15:31] <adac> maybe I need to re run it, since in the meanwhile i uninstalled some packages
[15:31] <k1l_> adac: hmmm, please run "cat /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log | nc termbin.com 9999"
[15:31] <kierqueen> I like to use keys
[15:31] <kierqueen> same problem I get with the totem player
[15:33] <adac> k1l_, http://termbin.com/x9zw
[15:33] <Vuurdraak_> kierqueen, amarok doesnt seem to listen to arrow keys either, but maybe its possible to set them as short cut keys not sure
[15:34] <kierqueen> I just use the default player which are installed
[15:34] <kierqueen> yeah totem movie player does move it back , and forth
[15:34] <kierqueen> but it does so 1:00 min which is too big
[15:34] <kierqueen> I need 5 seconds shift
[15:34] <k1l_> adac: DEBUG The package 'postgresql-9.4-postgis-2.1' is marked for removal but it's in the removal blacklist
[15:34] <k1l_> adac: its your postgresql 3rd party install
[15:34] <adac> k1l_, kk thanks
[15:34] <Vuurdraak_> kierqueen, rhythmbox does listen to key combos though, ctrl space is play, & alt+left is previous, alst+right is next song
[15:35] <k1l_> adac: manually remove that
[15:35] <adac> k1l_, I think postgres was a ppa
[15:35] <kierqueen> but I need 5 secons seek for the totem player, doesn't work I guess
[15:36] <MonkeyDust> kierqueen  audacious is a nice player too
[15:36] <MonkeyDust> (for music)
[15:36] <kierqueen> no
[15:36] <adac> k1l_, Ok I removed it and re- started the upgrade process
[15:37] <kierqueen> mpv is a single solution both for videos, nad audio
[15:37] <kierqueen> it's cli based keys
[15:37] <kierqueen> cool
[15:41] <Fendaris> i need to force quit an application.. but i cant find xkill, and pressing x brings up no result
[15:41] <Fendaris> right click quit doesnt either
[15:42] <MonkeyDust> Fendaris  alt-f4
[15:42] <Fendaris> doesnt do anything
[15:42] <adac> k1l_, need to restart. Somethinng is blocking the upgrade process. brb
[15:42] <Vuurdraak_> force it to quit in the system monitor ?
[15:42] <MonkeyDust> Fendaris  ctrl-alt-f1 ... ps x [program] ... kill the pid
[15:45] <Fendaris> wtf did I open with ctrl alt f2
[15:46] <MonkeyDust> Fendaris  enter your credentials and work from the prompt
[15:46] <Vuurdraak_> Fendaris, thats a terminal window x is normaly under ctrl+alt+f7
[15:47] <MonkeyDust> Fendaris  if you're a windows user, you would call it a DOS prompt
[15:47] <SatoshiRole1> Fendaris: you like titties right?
[15:47] <Vuurdraak_> :D
[15:47] <Vuurdraak_> he has quit atm
[15:48] <Fendaris> how do you get out of ctrl alt f1 again?
[15:48] <Vuurdraak_> ctrl+alt+f7
[15:48] <Vuurdraak_> at least that is where x is running with me
[15:49] <Fendaris> thanks
[15:49] <Vuurdraak_> Fendaris, but can you not simply force kill the aplication from the system monitor or was it started by root ?
[15:50] <Fendaris> how do i open the system monitor? that s what i was looking for
[15:50] <Vuurdraak_> i got it in my side bar
[15:50] <Vuurdraak_> else search for system in the dash
[15:50] <Fendaris> ah it comes up in applications
[15:51] <kovu> hi
[15:51] <Vuurdraak_> Fendaris, try a kill procces
[15:52] <adac> k1l_, lol now the software update freezes forquite some time when I start it sudo update-manager -d
[15:52] <adac> "Checking for updates"
[15:52] <adac> load goes up
[15:52] <adac> *system load
[15:52] <Vuurdraak_> brb afk
[15:53] <tomreyn> SatoshiRole1: any luck, yet?
[15:53] <kovu> i am having problems opening a terminal within a folder to run a command to install a program it comes up with a lot of text i do not understand
[15:53] <kovu> something about system.core
[15:55] <kovu> am i allowed to paste the error messege here
[15:55] <k1l_> adac: dont run with -d
[15:55] <k1l_> adac: unless you want to end on a development release. which you dont
[15:55] <adac>  k1l_ oh no that I really don't wont!
[15:56] <kovu> Unhandled Exception: System.IO.FileNotFoundException: Could not load file or assembly 'System.Core, Version=4.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b77a5c561934e089' or one of its dependencies. File name: 'System.Core, Version=4.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b77a5c561934e089'   at StardewModdingApi.Installer.Program.Main (System.String[] args) <0x4019cd50 + 0x0003f> in <filename unknown>:0  [ERROR] FATAL UNHANDLED EXCEPTION: Sy
[15:56] <adac> I re-started it without d
[15:56] <k1l_> so dont follow bad howtos from youtube videos with -d
[15:56] <\9> there should be a prompt for '-d' asking whether the user really wants a dev release
[15:56] <\9> but of course those dumb youtube videos will just say "yeah yeah just use that"
[15:57] <k1l_> \9: sadly the internet is full of bad users telling everyone to just use -d for some workaournds instead of fixing the real issue  but not expaining what it doesn in reality
[15:57] <adac> k1l_, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/how-to-upgrade-ubuntu-14-04-to-ubuntu-16-04-lts
[15:57] <adac> arrrg!
[15:57] <kovu> its a games called stardew valley i am trying t install the modding api file
[15:57] <\9> heh!
[15:58] <\9> "
[15:58] <\9> "If you’re following this guide before release day the upgrade (which, of course, is not recommended) then your upgrade shouldn’t take too long over a decent connection." wow this is gold
[15:59] <k1l_> this really is a bad article from omgubuntu.
[15:59] <\9> i think that takes the cake as far as bad advice goes
[16:00] <z_> hi
[16:03] <SatoshiRole1> k1l_: I think the youtube videos are great. Of course there are some useless, but you can usually find a good one for just about anything, and they often provide much better explanation than some command you found in a forum somewhere.
[16:05] <k1l_> SatoshiRole1: no. there is too much rubbish out there. the good ones get drowned in all the bad ones. and you dont have a peer review lie you do have in here.
[16:07] <Vuurdraak_> kovu , problems with 3th party applications that wont install need to be asked with the game forum or similar
[16:07] <user4231501> Hello! I have a problem with Ubuntu 16.04 HWE kernel, which is precisely "4.8.0-36-generic". The problem is that system refuses to boot and I immediately get a black screen. The recovery shows "msi quirk detected subordinate msi disabled" as last message. Disabling USB Legacy changes nothnig, but disabling HPET in BIOS allows to boot it normally. This is not present in 4.4 "LTS" kernels. The only change with HPET in 4.8 that I f
[16:08] <SatoshiRole1> k1l_: I agree that you have to be careful, but I don't know what I would do without Youtube videos. Personally, I have derived great benefit from them.
[16:08] <adac> k1l_, it seems to take a while to calculate changes and downloading. But now it is finished. I still get: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/80774334c7dad6bf6c41fab2ccf8c994
[16:08] <adac> after removing this postgres package
[16:10] <k1l_> adac: please show a "cat /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log | nc termbin.com 9999"
[16:12] <adac> k1l_, http://termbin.com/uxkk
[16:12] <adac> Unable to locate package postgresql-9.4-postgis-2.1
[16:13] <adac> I already removed it
[16:13] <k1l_> and the 3rd party repo?
[16:14] <k1l_> adac: is there an newer log in /var/log/dist-upgrade/?
[16:15] <Vuurdraak_> user4231501, disabling HPET should not be a problem, the OS will simply use different timer methods
[16:16] <adac> k1l_, actually the apt.log is much newer
[16:17] <adac> k1l_, http://termbin.com/b38i
[16:17] <k1l_> adac: please pastebin the main.log in the latest date folder on /var/log/dist-upgrade/
[16:18] <user4231501> Vuurdraak_: thanks... Still 4.4 works fine, 4.8 hwe or hwe-edge do not. And there are no similar reports on internet. I hope this will be resolved soon, until then I guess I will stick to disabled HPET. I dont encounter this issue on Xeon X5600 though.
[16:19] <Vuurdraak_> user4231501, maybe it's some conflict with how hpet is programmed used by the msi board/bios idk
[16:20] <user4231501> Vuurdraak_: over ##linux, I was told that HPET is being phased out on MS: http://www.overclock.net/t/1567745/windows-10-disable-hpet-before-install-and-enjoy-low-latencies
[16:21] <adac> k1l_, the one main.log I send you before is actually the newest one. http://termbin.com/uxkk
[16:22] <k1l_> adac: then run "sudo do-release-upgrade" in terminal again
[16:22] <Vuurdraak_> user4231501, yeh i read different things about HPET, according to some disabling it speeds up specific programs, but other websites say the oposite, so i dont know what to make of it, i guess over all it simply doesnt matter either way if its enabled or not
[16:23] <adac> k1l_, kk
[16:25] <adac> k1l_, http://termbin.com/g5na
[16:25] <adac> its a newer one now
[16:26] <adac> still mentions this package
[16:26] <richie> www.baidu.com
[16:26] <k1l_> adac: di you remove that crappy 3rd party repo?
[16:28] <adac> k1l_, hmm I thought that this would be done by this upgrader?
[16:28] <k1l_> adac: please show "apt policy postgresql-9.4-postgis-2.2"
[16:28] <adac> Can I just delete the list repo or?
[16:28] <adac> k1l_, E: Invalid operation policy
[16:29] <adac> sudo apt policy postgresql-9.4-postgis-2.2
[16:29] <k1l_> then use "apt-cache policy"
[16:29] <adac> k1l_, https://gist.github.com/anonymous/ea1aede155a69bbc18ef16f600da0cac
[16:30] <k1l_> as you see its still insatelld
[16:30] <rafaelcenteio> Hi, although I already tried various solutions available on the Internet, I can't run notify-send on my crontab. I already set the variables DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY. Thanks
[16:30] <adac> hmm ok... I remove it. I thought i did that
[16:30] <adac> sorry
[16:31] <adac> i think there are more versions of this postgis stuff now it complains about postgresql-9.3-postgis-2.1
[16:32] <adac> I can just remove all this postgres stuff
[16:32] <adac> I don't need it anymore
[16:32] <k1l_> then do it
[16:32] <k1l_> adac: you can edit /usr/share/ubuntu-release-upgrader/removal_blacklist.cfg and make # in front of the postgr lines so it doesnt block these packages from beeing removed
[16:32] <adac> k1l_, kk thanks
[16:34] <adac> k1l_, ok now it is working
[16:34] <adac> thank you very much!
[16:35] <k1l_> np
[16:37] <SatoshiRole1> I could use some help. I trying to move /home to a software RAID0. I used mdadm to create the RAID, and I used rsync to move the home folder. As soon as I add the mount point to fstab, the system won't boot.
[16:38] <KOLANICH> root@my_comp:/home/adm# echo core/processors/devices > /sys/power/pm_test
[16:38] <KOLANICH> bash: echo: write error: Invalid argument
[16:38] <KOLANICH> WTF?
[16:38] <radish_> Hello.. aren't there any ubuntu 32-bit versions anymore ??
[16:38] <user4231501> KOLANICH: put quotes around it
[16:39] <user4231501> KOLANICH: echo "blablabla" > where
[16:39] <SatoshiRole1> radish_: all versions of ubuntu are still available in 32bit, but I don't think there is a non-PAE kernel for ububntu.
[16:39] <KOLANICH> user4231501: the same result
[16:39] <radish_> KOLANICH:  arouns "sys.../pm_test"
[16:39] <KOLANICH> radish_: the same result
[16:40] <radish_> SatoshiRole1: so if i download the ubuntu 64-bit.. it should detect my cpu architecture and install 32-bit right ?
[16:40] <radish_> KOLANICH: try "~/sys.../pm_test"
[16:40] <SatoshiRole1> no, it will provide an error message, saying it can't
[16:40] <KOLANICH> radish_: lol
[16:41] <radish_> hmm.. oh well guess i will have to go use elementary OS for this old netbook
[16:42] <tomreyn> KOLANICH: you are supposed to write one of those keywords, not all of them separated by spaces, to /sys/power/pm_test
[16:42] <SatoshiRole1> radish_: if it boots into the live environment, you'r processor is 64bit.
[16:42] <tomreyn> KOLANICH: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/power/basic-pm-debugging.txt
[16:42] <radish_> SatoshiRole1: my cpu is 32-bit.. its an old netbook i have back since 2008
[16:42] <tomreyn> sorry, separated by slashes, not spaces. either would be wrong
[16:43] <arooni> 2 questions on ubuntu 16.04: 1 ) sometimes when i resume my laptop the wireless doesnt work.  i tried logging out/back in and sudo service networking restart; neither worked.. only restarting worked.  any other way to reinitate wireless?  2) upon startup i always see that ttf-mscorefonts-installer needs to be installed; i have it installed; but dont know how to finish setup of these fonts.  thx!
[16:43] <SatoshiRole1> radish_: you should be fine on PAE, just download the 32 bit version.
[16:44] <Vuurdraak_> radish_, yeh there are 32bit versions like: http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/ubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[16:45] <tomreyn> KOLANICH: also myke sure this iy 'y': grep CONFIG_PM_DEBUG /boot/config-`uname -r`
[16:45] <tomreyn> iy -> is
[16:45] <KOLANICH> tomreyn: it is
[16:46] <tomreyn> well then it's be the incorrect usage only
[16:49] <SatoshiRole1> radish_: most computers in 2008 had 64 bit processors though.
[16:50] <radish_> SatoshiRole1: Yes, but not very much for netbooks
[16:50] <radish_> I have tried installing windows 7 64bit and it said my cpu doesn't support
[16:51] <radish_> but works fine with 32-bit
[16:52] <SatoshiRole1> radish_: yep, there were a few.
[16:56] <b80905> How can I block a specific image in Firefox? or at least forbid any images on a particular website?
[16:57] <SatoshiRole1> b80905: maybe an adblock rule?
[16:57] <SaintAlex93> Hey guys!
[16:58] <SaintAlex93> There Brazilians here?
[16:58] <samiir> tyga
[16:58] <samiir> sirr
[16:59] <samiir> ;ar
[16:59] <samiir> auapgs
[16:59] <samiir> ao
[16:59] <SaintAlex93> For what exactly exist this chat?
[16:59] <cfhowlett> !topic | SaintAlex93
[17:00] <i-fukt-my-pillow> hi
[17:01] <SaintAlex93> !topic
[17:01] <cfhowlett> i-fukt-my-pillow, this is a family friendly channel.  change your nick
[17:01] <i-fukt-my-pillow> cfhowlett: sorry i dont know how to change my nick for a specific channel and my client only supports 1 connection
[17:02] <akik> you're welcome to be removed, then
[17:03] <i-fukt-my-pillow> akik: you're welcome to fuck your pillow
[17:03] <cfhowlett> !ops | i-fukt-my-pillow
[17:03] <Apachez> any hints on a good resource to read up more on themes in ubuntu? Like are there no "steam" (as in valve steam) like theme that can be used in Ubuntu instead of lets say the default ambiance one?
[17:06] <Vuurdraak> Apachez, try looking in what you can set in compiz
[17:06] <Apachez> I was more like hoping if somebody already did a themefile :)
[17:06] <Apachez> In my case regarding colors
[17:07] <i-fukt-my-pillow> !ops | where you hide my pillow? i need fuck it!
[17:07] <i-fukt-my-pillow> lol fuck
[17:09] <Vuurdraak> there u go :)
[17:10] <Vuurdraak> Apachez, the first result on themes gave me this: http://www.ubuntuthemes.org/ maybe there is something u like in there
[17:15] <ubuntu-mate> pasa
[17:20] <Vuurdraak> time to watch the hobbit 3, may all your problems melt away like snow in the sun, i wish you all a happy day o/
[17:23] <ablest1980> how do i install programs in linux without software center?
[17:23] <OerHeks> ablest1980, with apt-get
[17:23] <ablest1980> k
[17:25] <ablest1980> oer you have example?
[17:25] <mateo> hi
[17:25] <OerHeks> ablest1980,  tons of examples to find on the internet, what do you want to install?
[17:25] <ablest1980> sudo apt-get install drive:/program?
[17:26] <ablest1980> i order ubuntu studio just incase it doesnt have software center
[17:26] <ablest1980> hexchat
[17:27] <OerHeks> ubuntu studio does have a softwarecenter, AFAIK
[17:27] <ablest1980> ill google it thanks
[17:27] <ablest1980> good thank
[17:28] <ablest1980> s
[17:28] <OerHeks> but for any ubuntu version, i would install synaptic too, it is a more detailed softwarecenter.
[17:28] <OerHeks> softwarecenter gives metapackages only, there are more packages available
[17:29] <ablest1980> cool
[17:29] <ablest1980> where do i get that
[17:29] <plasticuproject> I don't even use SoftwareCenter at all. Exclusivly use synaptic and aptitude.
[17:30] <ablest1980> googling
[17:31] <plasticuproject> Ablest1980: Where do you get synaptic?
[17:32] <ablest1980> says software center or aptget
[17:33] <ablest1980> im downloading for software center
[17:33] <plasticuproject> yes, 'type sudo apt-get install synaptic' from terminal. That should do it.
[17:33] <OerHeks> many ways to install software, it all uses the same source
[17:33] <ablest1980> its installed
[17:35] <ablest1980> i see ubuntu studio i can install it from ubuntu
[17:35] <pavlos> ablest1980, re: hexchat, you could 'sudo apt install hexchat' ... to remove, 'sudo apt remove hexchat'
[17:35] <ablest1980> k
[17:36] <Xundres> I have a question for gnome users (gnome 3.22)
[17:36] <plasticuproject> Sorry, I just kind of jumped in the convo from nowhere trying to help.
[17:37] <ablest1980> np
[17:37] <ablest1980> how do i install ubuntu studio?
[17:38] <plasticuproject> download the ios from the official website
[17:38] <plasticuproject> I put it on a live USB and did the graphical install. its was very simple and easy.
[17:38] <OerHeks> Xundres, yakkety 16.10 ships with gnome 3.20, next release will have 3.22
[17:38] <ablest1980> do i need flash drive or dvd/\
[17:38] <ablest1980> k
[17:39] <ablest1980> i can install it from ubuntu?
[17:39] <plasticuproject> Not sure, I've never done it that way, I've always used a flash drive.
[17:39] <ablest1980> k
[17:40] <plasticuproject> anything that is in Ubuntu Studio you can download and install in Ubuntu though.
[17:40] <bugtraq> bnm
[17:41] <plasticuproject> You don't 'need' that acutal Ubunstu Studio distro to get all of the programs, it just has them all configured for you out of the box.
[17:41] <plasticuproject> I have Ubuntu Studio on a drive but also have some of the tools included in it on my regular Ubuntu drive.
[17:42] <ablest1980> what a good flash drive?
[17:42] <ablest1980> usb hd
[17:43] <npower> is anyone expert in usb stick (hardware)
[17:43] <plasticuproject> Doesn't matter really. Just as long as it is at least 8 Gigs. I have a Samsung 64 Gig 3.0 that I just. Have it partitioned with a Kali image and the rest for storage.
[17:44] <ablest1980> k
[17:44] <plasticuproject> npower: What are you trying to do?
[17:45] <npower> i have this usb stick 128 really great,from intenso
[17:45] <npower> its not a fake one i tested it with a couple of utility
[17:45] <npower> but
[17:45] <Andyuser54> Hello
[17:46] <Andyuser54> Where do I go for Ubuntu touch related questions?
[17:46] <hggdh> Andyuser54: #ubuntu-touch
[17:47] <ablest1980> i think ill get 64 one
[17:47] <Andyuser54> Thank you.
[17:49] <plasticuproject> npower: ?
[17:49] <ablest1980> i got 64 hp one
[17:50] <ablest1980> $18 $3 one day shipping
[17:52] <ruben72> Hello!
[17:54] <Al3xG0> Is there any more agile command than sort -u to clean files with repeated lines?
[17:56] <Random832> Al3xG0, there's uniq - it doesn't sort and will only clean if the repeated lines are next to each other and not other place in the file
[17:56] <c_korn> hi, just updated ubuntu on my cubieboard from 14.04 to 16.04. now eth0 does not get a global ipv6 address any longer. what could be the reasons?
[17:57] <Al3xG0> Random832 yes
[17:57] <OerHeks> c_korn, what does 'ifconfig' say? with 16.04 eth0/wlan0 get new names, https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[17:57] <Al3xG0> have other command fast?
[17:58] <Al3xG0> Faster than him?
[17:59] <c_korn> OerHeks: this is the output. already checked that the name did not change https://paste.ubuntuusers.de/raw/423608/
[18:01] <OerHeks> c_korn, not sure how to read this, you have multiple adapters/virtual adapters ..
[18:03] <c_korn> OerHeks: eth0 is the interface which should have a global ipv6 address
[18:03] <bum> Anyone used upnp?
[18:04] <guyFromWeb> hey, can anyone help me run QB64 on Ubuntu please? http://www.qb64.net/
[18:04] <c_korn> hum, dmesg says eth0: no IPv6 routers present. maybe this is the source of the problem
[18:07] <guyFromWeb> hey, can anyone help me run QB64 on Ubuntu please? http://www.qb64.net/
[18:08] <compdoc> quick basic?
[18:10] <guyFromWeb> well it's for BASIC
[18:11] <Xundres> How can examine what the computer does when i use it? move mouse, press button etc
[18:12] <Seven_Six_Two> Xundres, xin
[18:13] <Xundres> command not found
[18:13] <Xundres> it was something like it xD
[18:13] <Xundres> xev maybe?
[18:13] <Seven_Six_Two> yeah, that's it
[18:13] <Seven_Six_Two> sorry
[18:14] <guyFromWeb> can anyone help me with just launching QB64? that's all i need
[18:15] <blackwind_123> qq, i thought zsh is builtin into the ubuntu.. ? but when i type zsh it wont take me to zsh instead it wants me to install zsh usnig "sudo apt install zsh",
[18:15] <ioria> guyFromWeb, what's the problem ?
[18:16] <guyFromWeb> ioria: when i follow their instructions, i get this output
[18:16] <Seven_Six_Two> blackwind_123, bash is built in. you can install zsh.
[18:16] <guyFromWeb> bash: ./setup_lnx.sh: /bin/bash^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[18:16] <guyFromWeb> in terminal
[18:17] <ioria> guyFromWeb, ah, spurious file
[18:17] <guyFromWeb> ioria: if you have ubuntu, you can download and test it, it is like 20 MB i think
[18:17] <guyFromWeb> see if it works for you
[18:17] <ioria> guyFromWeb, make a copy of thet file and run   sed -i -e 's/\r$//' setup_lnx.sh
[18:17] <guyFromWeb> what does that do?
[18:18] <ioria> guyFromWeb, remove MS garbage
[18:18] <guyFromWeb> it didn't do anything
[18:18] <guyFromWeb> (i didn't make a copy)
[18:18] <guyFromWeb> i'll just extract again if it won't work
[18:19] <blackwind_123> guyFromWeb : it wont make a copy
[18:19] <blackwind_123> it jsut overwrite the current file, try to the re-run the .sh file and let us know guyFromWeb :
[18:19] <ioria> guyFromWeb, i said ' make a copy of that file and run sed -i -e 's/\r$//' setup_lnx.sh '
[18:20] <guyFromWeb> oh i ran the file again and it's doing something
[18:20] <guyFromWeb> downloading many packages
[18:20] <ioria> guyFromWeb, ^M is a carriage return character.
[18:21] <guyFromWeb> you gotta be kidding me
[18:21] <guyFromWeb> another error
[18:21] <guyFromWeb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24021551/
[18:22] <guyFromWeb> *errors
[18:22] <Seven_Six_Two> someone wrote their script in notepad.  :/
[18:22] <ace> hi
[18:22] <Seven_Six_Two> guyFromWeb, install dos2unix
[18:22] <guyFromWeb> ok
[18:23] <guyFromWeb> is it apt-get dos2unix?
[18:23] <Seven_Six_Two> sudo apt-get install dos2unix
[18:24] <guyFromWeb> installed
[18:24] <guyFromWeb> same result
[18:24] <Seven_Six_Two> run it passing the .sh file as an argument
[18:25] <Seven_Six_Two> dos2unix setup_lnx.sh
[18:25] <matteo_> ciao
[18:25] <guyFromWeb> ok :D
[18:25] <matteo_> hi
[18:26] <guyFromWeb> dos2unix: converting file setup_lnx.sh to Unix format ...
[18:26] <guyFromWeb> that's all it did
[18:26] <Seven_Six_Two> guyFromWeb, it's because windows (notepad) has a different way of marking linefeed.
[18:26] <guyFromWeb> should i do./script.sh again?
[18:26] <Seven_Six_Two> yeah
[18:26] <guyFromWeb> same error
[18:26] <guyFromWeb> this is so annoying
[18:27] <Seven_Six_Two> really? I just did it, and it worked fine
[18:27] <guyFromWeb> let's try again
[18:27] <guyFromWeb> i think there is some new script
[18:27] <guyFromWeb> should i run that one?
[18:27] <Seven_Six_Two> ooh, yes
[18:28] <arooni> 2 questions on ubuntu 16.04: 1 ) sometimes when i resume my laptop the wireless doesnt work.  i tried logging out/back in and sudo service networking restart; neither worked.. only restarting worked.  any other way to reinitate wireless?  2) upon startup i always see that ttf-mscorefonts-installer needs to be installed; i have it installed; but dont know how to finish setup of these fonts.  thx!
[18:28] <nerdsville> Hey guys, is there a way to undo changes made by a package install? I noticed that for example installing libvirt adds a user and group to the system and I wanted to monitor such changes and be able to revert them... is there any software which allows this?
[18:28] <Seven_Six_Two> guyFromWeb, I got same error on a different script. read output and you'll see which
[18:28] <guyFromWeb> i can't run the new script
[18:29] <blackwind_123> guyFromWeb : install the relavent dev-libraries..! search web for libraries needs to be installed for qb64
[18:30] <Seven_Six_Two> guyFromWeb, what error? I got another script with ^M error. requires same dos2unix treatment
[18:30] <OerHeks> arooni, answer 1. i dont know, answer 2. see this bugreport with solution in the header https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/msttcorefonts/+bug/1607535
[18:30] <guyFromWeb> ok let's do this again
[18:30] <blackwind_123> guyFromWeb : mostly i guess you are trying to build the QB64 without releavent libraries...
[18:31] <OerHeks> ugly bug indeed, for an LTS
[18:31] <ioria> guyFromWeb, maybe there are other bad-formatted files, not only setup_lnx.sh
[18:32] <ioria> guyFromWeb, this can help :   find . -name '*.sh' -exec sed -i "s/\r//g" {} \;
[18:33] <haensch> Seeblick
[18:33] <guyFromWeb> this is what i got: http://prnt.sc/eaejh6
[18:33] <guyFromWeb> what to do from here?
[18:34] <Seven_Six_Two> guyFromWeb, what's the output from terminal? folder screen doesn't help
[18:34] <guyFromWeb> what command?
[18:34] <guyFromWeb> tell me what to do from here xD
[18:34] <Seven_Six_Two> guyFromWeb, setup_lnx.sh
[18:34] <guyFromWeb> whatever command can help
[18:34] <Seven_Six_Two> guyFromWeb, are you just clicking the .sh script?
[18:34] <guyFromWeb> with ./?
[18:35] <guyFromWeb> sorry im new to ubuntu
[18:35] <guyFromWeb> no
[18:35] <Seven_Six_Two> guyFromWeb, yeah, do it with ./ in a terminal. paste that output in pastebin
[18:35] <guyFromWeb> should i do ./setup_lnx.sh?
[18:35] <nerdsville> ./ runs using the interpreter set by the #!
[18:35] <guyFromWeb> ok
[18:35] <nerdsville> so if you have #!/bin/bash set it will use bash for example
[18:36] <nerdsville> or you can specifically choose an interpreter
[18:36] <nerdsville> for example /bin/sh setup_lnx.sh
[18:36] <guyFromWeb> http://paste.debian.net/915379/
[18:36] <guyFromWeb> oh found something
[18:36] <guyFromWeb> it says it's debian based
[18:36] <Seven_Six_Two> guyFromWeb, look at line 4
[18:36] <guyFromWeb> if that helps :D
[18:36] <guyFromWeb> bad interpreter
[18:37] <guyFromWeb> sorry it doesn't mean anything to me
[18:37] <nerdsville> It seems you don't have that interpreter installed at that path
[18:37] <guyFromWeb> the ^M?
[18:37] <ioria> guyFromWeb, maybe there are other bad-formatted files, not only setup_lnx.sh (2)
[18:37] <guyFromWeb> yeah idk
[18:37] <nerdsville> type which sh
[18:37] <Seven_Six_Two> it's saying there's a windows character in setup_build.sh
[18:37] <ioria> guyFromWeb, this can help :   find . -name '*.sh' -exec sed -i "s/\r//g" {} \;
[18:37] <guyFromWeb> nerdsville: /bin/sh
[18:37] <guyFromWeb> output
[18:38] <nerdsville> guyFromWeb run ioria's command
[18:38] <guyFromWeb> ioria: i did that
[18:38] <Seven_Six_Two> guyFromWeb, setup_build.sh requires you run dos2unix on it
[18:38] <nerdsville> hm
[18:38] <guyFromWeb> i did
[18:38] <guyFromWeb> no output in terminal for me
[18:38] <guyFromWeb> what should i do after the command
[18:38] <guyFromWeb> try to run it again?\
[18:38] <ioria> guyFromWeb,  maybe you need sudo
[18:38] <blackwind_123> guyFromWeb : output wont be there , run your install comman again
[18:38] <nerdsville> can you change his command to be s/\r\n//g for the sed part?
[18:39] <Seven_Six_Two> guyFromWeb, dos2unix worked, but there's more than one script.
[18:39] <guyFromWeb> wait
[18:39] <guyFromWeb> there might be a chance for it :D
[18:39] <ioria> guyFromWeb,   sudo  ./setup_lnx.sh
[18:39] <guyFromWeb> i alreaady did without sudo
[18:39] <Seven_Six_Two> no
[18:39] <Seven_Six_Two> dos2unix. not sudo. not sed.
[18:39] <guyFromWeb> IT WORKS
[18:39] <guyFromWeb> THANKS
[18:40] <guyFromWeb> wow :D
[18:40] <guyFromWeb> but wait
[18:40] <guyFromWeb> what made it work then?
[18:40] <guyFromWeb> i might have done some things that were not necessary
[18:40] <ioria> who knows,  no sudo no sed maybe
[18:40] <Seven_Six_Two> lol
[18:40] <guyFromWeb> so do i need the dos2unix?
[18:40] <guyFromWeb> is it necessary?
[18:41] <ioria> nope
[18:41] <guyFromWeb> damn
[18:41] <Seven_Six_Two> guyFromWeb, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2920416/configure-bin-shm-bad-interpreter
[18:41] <guyFromWeb> how to uninstall?
[18:41] <nerdsville> dos2unix is the standard way I think, but remember they are just characters
[18:41] <ioria> but it's useful
[18:41] <guyFromWeb> so it was bad interpreter
[18:41] <Seven_Six_Two> no, it was bad invisible windows character
[18:41] <guyFromWeb> ok im just gonna keep the dos2unix
[18:41] <ioria> nope, again
[18:42] <Seven_Six_Two> you can uninstall if you like.
[18:42] <ioria> it was a bad-formetted files
[18:42] <guyFromWeb> so what command actually fixed it?
[18:42] <guyFromWeb> i wanna save all the commands i need for next time
[18:42] <ioria> that guy wrote the installer with MS tool
[18:43] <guyFromWeb> ok
[18:43] <guyFromWeb> so
[18:43] <nerdsville> guyFromWeb, download the original again and try again
[18:43] <guyFromWeb> nerdsville: ok
[18:43] <nerdsville> see if you can find what fixed it :)
[18:43] <guyFromWeb> im gonna remove this one
[18:44] <nerdsville> awesome, let us know :)
[18:45] <Seven_Six_Two> guyFromWeb, when you find the error, feel free to send the dev an email suggesting he use a better editor.
[18:46] <guyFromWeb2> my ubuntu lagged, don't know why, i was dragging file to desktop, then some app opened (i only see splash icon)
[18:46] <guyFromWeb2> i can't do anything with the Ubuntu (i don't know any keyboard shortcuts)
 does ctrl++alt+T works?
[18:48] <guyFromWeb2> yes
[18:48] <koleygr> ok
[18:48] <koleygr> You have a terminal now
[18:49] <guyFromWeb2> i do
[18:49] <guyFromWeb2> there we go
[18:50] <guyFromWeb2> I did alt+TAB to get to the icon
[18:50] <guyFromWeb2> "Sorry, Ubuntu 16.04 has experienced an internal error"
[18:51] <guyFromWeb2> i JUST installed the ubuntu
[18:51] <guyFromWeb2> wtf
[18:51] <ioria> guyFromWeb,   paste   ls /var/crash
[18:52] <guyFromWeb2> i can't even run command from there
[18:52] <guyFromWeb2> it's all messed up
[18:52] <guyFromWeb2> it won't allow me
[18:52] <guyFromWeb2> could it be bad ISO?
[18:52] <Seven_Six_Two> is it in a vm\
[18:52] <guyFromWeb2> i had some problems with it before
[18:52] <guyFromWeb2> i just reinstalled from same ISO
[18:53] <guyFromWeb2> see if it was the iso
[18:53] <guyFromWeb2> now getting another errors is not fun
[18:53] <Seven_Six_Two> it could be bad. you can do md5 of iso
[18:53] <guyFromWeb2> it's from official website
[18:53] <guyFromWeb2> :/
[18:53] <guyFromWeb2> so, reinstall?
[18:54] <guyFromWeb2> i already shut down my ubuntu
[18:54] <Seven_Six_Two> check iso first, see if it matches website md5
[18:54] <ioria> guyFromWeb,   terminal not working ?
[18:54] <guyFromWeb2> ok
[18:54] <guyFromWeb2> ioria: not really
[18:54] <OerHeks> guyFromWeb2, installing software from somewhere outside softwarecenter, without proper instructions, and blaming ubuntu?
[18:55] <ioria> guyFromWeb,   ^ OerHeks  , try to logout / login
[18:56] <moto01> !list
[18:56] <guyFromWeb2> i just realized i have .1, not .2
[18:56] <OerHeks> moto01, torrents are here http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[18:57] <guyFromWeb2> i'm reinstalling, putting on the new version, starting again
 had you done an apt update and apt full-upgrade before?
 these commands would give you the .2
[18:59] <guyFromWeb2> i'll reinstall
[18:59] <guyFromWeb2> i'll wipe it
[18:59] <koleygr> ok
[18:59] <guyFromWeb2> as you can see, my patience is gone xD
[18:59] <guyFromWeb2> hey thanks guys very much
[18:59] <ioria> guyFromWeb,   wait... may we ask you your HW specs  ?
[18:59] <guyFromWeb2> you really helped me
 Just don't try to give commands before asking someone
[19:00] <guyFromWeb2> ioria: old laptop
[19:00] <guyFromWeb2> core i3
[19:00] <guyFromWeb2> thinkpad edge
[19:00] <ioria> guyFromWeb,   ram ?
[19:00] <guyFromWeb2> not sure
[19:00] <ioria> guyFromWeb,   it's important ..
[19:00] <guyFromWeb2> where can i find out? :D
[19:00] <ioria> guyFromWeb,   cat /proc/meminfo
 I don't think he is on ubuntu now
[19:02] <MonkeyDust> guyFromWeb2  are you now on ubuntu?
[19:02] <ioria> guyFromWeb,   or   grep  MemTotal:  /proc/meminfo    ; if you're on MS then look in System Information
[19:02] <guyFromWeb2> i got it running
[19:02] <guyFromWeb2> guyFromWeb2: is on mac :)
[19:02] <ioria> guyFromWeb,   with 2G or less,  don't install Ubuntu, but Xubuntu or Lubuntu
[19:03] <guyFromWeb2> 3954880 kb
[19:03] <rlkd82> trying to make a script that will uncheck all sources in sources.list. anyone can help me with googling for an answer to my problem, or have an idea of how to do so?
[19:03] <guyFromWeb2> so 4 gb i guess
[19:03] <ioria> guyFromWeb,   ok, then
[19:04] <ioria> guyFromWeb,   last thing, your video card ?
[19:06] <h1n1> hrllo
[19:07] <AndroUser> What is the ubuntu contrib channel
[19:14] <MonkeyDust> rlkd82  simply make a script that puts a # before every line
[19:14] <rlkd82> im trying to remove the #
[19:15] <plasticuproject> rlkd82: Should be able to make a really simple python script for that.
[19:15] <MonkeyDust> rlkd82  if you don't get an answer here, try #bash
[19:15] <rlkd82> anyway you can point me towards how to do that on google, unclear the search words i should be using
[19:16] <MonkeyDust> rlkd82  this is ubuntu support, not google support
[19:17] <plasticuproject> I'm too buys to write a script, ask someone on #python maybe?
[19:18] <rlkd82> no worries thxs guys ;)
[19:18] <tckf> my os kernel panics when i try to run linux 4.4.0_62
[19:19] <tckf> idk what to do
[19:19] <MonkeyDust> tckf  what's the output of    cat /etc/issue
[19:20] <tckf> Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS \n \l
[19:21] <plasticuproject> revert to an older kernel?
[19:21] <tckf> i do that but i cant seem to fix grub
[19:21] <tckf> so by default i always try first to load the bad kernel
[19:22] <plasticuproject> how many kernels show up on your grub menu?
[19:22] <tckf> 2 diff kernels but there are 4 entries in the list
[19:23] <tckf> one recovery mode for each
[19:23] <OerHeks> rlkd82, to enable all sources> sudo add-apt-repository universe multiverse restricted # and enable all src > http://askubuntu.com/a/769429
[19:24] <rlkd82> OerHeks, thanks so much
[19:28] <shizdizzle> I'm trying to use gpg to fetch keys from an https address and I get this error: no handler for keyserver scheme `https'
[19:29] <shizdizzle> it says https is not supported
[19:29] <shizdizzle> how do I fix this?
[19:31] <shizdizzle> anyone?
[19:31] <shizdizzle> anyone
[19:31] <shizdizzle> ?
[19:31] <linuxlove> hi guys
[19:31] <linuxlove> i cant connect to any host with ssh
[19:31] <plasticuproject> helppppp
[19:31] <MonkeyDust> shizdizzle  be patient, hit the up arrow every 15 minutes or so, to repeat your question, until someone can help
[19:32] <linuxlove> i tested on pc and and on laptop
[19:32] <linuxlove> same result in both
[19:32] <Fendaris> a general linux question: if I have a file a.out, why do I have to write ./a.out to execute it, and not just a.out?
[19:33] <plasticuproject> linuxlove: is your port number correct?
[19:33] <linuxlove> i just use ssh user@myip
[19:33] <linuxlove> it was okay yesterday
[19:33] <linuxlove> i tested for other ips
[19:34] <linuxlove> it is same
[19:34] <h1n1> verify the firewall
[19:34] <ioria> Fendaris, path issue :  http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/85490/difference-between-a-out-and-a-out
[19:34] <linuxlove> h1n1, there was same result in pc and laptop
[19:34] <MonkeyDust> Fendaris  because a.out would have to be located in /usr/bin/ or /usr/sbin/
[19:35] <linuxlove> should be a blocking in router?
[19:35] <linuxlove> or in ISP?
[19:35] <MonkeyDust> Fendaris  the . means 'in the current folder'
[19:36] <linuxlove> there is problem in same network for all devices
[19:37] <Fendaris> ioria: Is this theory or real world? In the example an attacker has already placed malicious software on my pc. Now my OS tries to protect me from executing that malicious file by accident... but how did it get there and why am I executing it? This problem has not happened to me in 25 years of using windows.
[19:38] <Fendaris> e.g. not criticizing it, just asking if attacks like this actually happen.
[19:38] <ioria> Fendaris, no, wait ....  if you put that a.out (bad name btw)  in /usr/local/bin, you don't need ./ ... if it's what you're asking
[19:39] <Fendaris> no, I was asking about the philosophy of making ./ necessary vs the simpler way windows works with its relative paths. Your link provided some nice explanations.
[19:39] <Ben64> stop expecting linux to work like windows
[19:39] <linuxlove> h1n1, i couldnt get sshd_conf
[19:39] <Fendaris> Ben64: You didn't get the question unfortunately.
[19:39] <Ben64> i did
[19:40] <linuxlove> can you upload it somewhere?
[19:40] <Fendaris> The question was, why does linux do this. Ioria's link provided some explanation with a very far fetched example, which was interesting.
[19:41] <OerHeks> " In the example an attacker has already placed malicious software on my pc" he would make a.out executable too :-D
[19:42] <rx-bad> hello
[19:43] <rx-bad> iam a newbie
[19:43] <rx-bad> werea
[19:43] <Fendaris> enjoy the experience rx-bad
[19:43] <rx-bad> are you guys
[19:43] <ioria> Fendaris, well, i use MS but not very good at it...  i think linux (with its permission set) aims to security, and running an executable could be a threat
[19:44] <rx-bad> both win and linux are good
[19:44] <OerHeks> rx-bad, that would give 1819 answers, do you have an Ubuntu support question?
[19:44] <rx-bad> depend on the techie on the keyboard
[19:44] <rx-bad> iam here to chat
[19:44] <rx-bad> ubuntu is very nice
[19:44] <\9> !ot
[19:45] <OerHeks> for chat join #ubuntu-offtopic, this is support only, thanks.
[19:45] <rx-bad> ok
[19:45] <elias_a> rx-bad: Don't get offended but this really is a worldwide support channel. :)
[19:45] <rx-bad> ok
[19:49] <rx-bad> does anyone know if squirrel runs on ubuntu
[19:49] <rx-bad> its a email service
[19:49] <mcphail> rx-bad: yes, if you set it up properly it will run
[19:49] <Fendaris> https://www.linode.com/docs/email/clients/install-squirrelmail-on-ubuntu-16-04-or-debian-8
[19:50] <rx-bad> ok
[19:50] <mcphail> !info squirrelmail | rx-bad
[19:51] <rx-bad> thanks
[19:57] <rx-bad> bye
[19:57] <rx-bad> see you
[20:22] <azizLIGHT> how do i tell which gpu drivers im using? from ubuntu repos? from ppa? and which version? how to trace this information
[20:23] <azizLIGHT> when i do dpkg -l | grep nvidia, i just see all these packages installed about nvidia but i dont know which one is selected
[20:23] <azizLIGHT> and is being used currently
[20:23] <k1l_> the ones with ii are installed
[20:24] <k1l_> lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'
[20:24] <k1l_> this tells you which driver module is in use.
[20:25] <ioria> azizLIGHT,  also   modinfo nvidia|grep version:
[20:26] <k1l_> azizLIGHT: when you pastebin the dpkgl -l output we can have a look
[20:27] <azizLIGHT> oh i see, i missed the ii on the left
[20:27] <azizLIGHT> i am on nvidia-358
[20:27] <k1l_> that is not a ubuntu repo package
[20:27] <azizLIGHT> and to check the source of this package? whether or not if it is from a ppa?
[20:28] <nicolas9126> hello
[20:28] <k1l_> azizLIGHT: "apt policy packagename"
[20:29] <OerHeks> azizLIGHT, 'source' of nvidia drivers? we don't have them
[20:29] <pfefferz> where is apt discussed?
[20:29] <azizLIGHT> OerHeks: i mean where i obtained them from
[20:29] <azizLIGHT> not the actual source code
[20:29] <k1l_> pfefferz: depends what the issue is
[20:30] <azizLIGHT> it says in the version table:  *** 358.16-0ubuntu0~gpu14.04.2 0 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[20:30] <pfefferz> k1l_: I would like to discuss virtual packages
[20:30] <azizLIGHT> that is not a ubuntu repo package?
[20:30] <ioria> azizLIGHT,  you used the nvidia installer ?
[20:30] <k1l_> azizLIGHT: can you pastein the whole output?
[20:31] <OerHeks> apt policy packagename would tell ..
[20:32] <azizLIGHT> k1l_: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24022347/
[20:32] <azizLIGHT> ioria: im not sure
[20:33] <k1l_> azizLIGHT: i guess you used a ppa for that, and that is removed now
[20:33] <pfefferz> k1l_: I'd like to understand what exactly a virtual package is and if virtual packages are only a apt concept or a dpkg concept
[20:33] <k1l_> azizLIGHT: "grep ^ /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | nc termbin.com 9999"
[20:33] <azizLIGHT> there was a ppa i used to use before called xorg-edgers, and then i found another ppa that was more "official"
[20:34] <azizLIGHT> k1l_: http://termbin.com/itj5
[20:34] <OerHeks> azizLIGHT, the only official ppa for drivers is https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[20:34] <ioria> yaeh, old removed ppa
[20:34] <azizLIGHT> OerHeks: yes thats the one
[20:35] <k1l_> k, that is a lot ppas
[20:35] <OerHeks> azizLIGHT, no, if i google on that driver it comes from https://launchpad.net/~mamarley/+ppa-package
[20:36] <azizLIGHT> this drivers got to be from ~graphics-drivers ppa
[20:36] <azizLIGHT> the ones from xorg-edgers have that in the version name
[20:36] <azizLIGHT> as xedgers
[20:37] <azizLIGHT> OerHeks: i dont think ive ever used that appa
[20:37] <azizLIGHT> *ppa
[20:37] <OerHeks> azizLIGHT, i don't think it comes from https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[20:37] <ioria> azizLIGHT,  are you on trusty ?
[20:37] <azizLIGHT> im on 14.04
[20:37] <azizLIGHT> OerHeks: yes i think it doesnt. it must come from https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[20:38] <OerHeks> nor https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa ( it has no 358)
[20:38] <azizLIGHT> weird
[20:38] <ioria> azizLIGHT,  yes, but has been removed
[20:38] <OerHeks> azizLIGHT, yes, time to tell what you have done :-D
[20:38] <Franco63> si
[20:39] <azizLIGHT> i really think its from the official ppa, but the version is not there in the ppa anymore
[20:39] <azizLIGHT> i remember having some issues with newer versions from the official ppa, so i downgraded back to this version
[20:40] <ikonia> "official" ppa
[20:40] <k1l_> ubuntu even ships nvidia-367 in 14.04
[20:40] <ikonia> thats an oxymoron in it's self
[20:40] <azizLIGHT> heh
[20:40] <k1l_> so i dont know why there is a ppa in use for that. or was in use
[20:41] <OerHeks> seems like https://launchpad.net/~mamarley/+ppa-package has been cleaned out
[20:42] <skinux> I'm having an issue with Dashboard taking 3+ seconds to come up after I click on the icon. Any ideas how to speed this up?
[20:43] <azizLIGHT> 99% sure i never used that mamarley ppa
[20:44] <MonkeyDust> skinux  start with     sudo apt install preload
[20:45] <ioria> azizLIGHT,  that is from  xorg edgers ppa, i guess
[20:45] <Prafull> hello
[20:46] <Prafull> I am new here
[20:46] <azizLIGHT> i dont believe so. all the versions from xorg edgers ppa have 'xedgers' in their version name
[20:46] <Prafull> and searching for some help
[20:46] <OerHeks> ioria, if i search for  358.16-0ubuntu0~gpu14.04.2, only mamley ppa comes up
[20:46] <skinux> I installed that and now Dash is like instant.
[20:46] <ioria> OerHeks, i see
[20:46] <Prafull> hey
[20:46] <Prafull> can you help me
[20:47] <ioria> azizLIGHT,  in any case, better replace it :þ
[20:47] <OerHeks> Prafull, ask, wait and see
[20:47] <Prafull> hello
[20:47] <popey> hello Prafull
[20:47] <k1l_> !details | Prafull
[20:47] <Prafull> hello
[20:48] <Prafull> i am having issue with installation of any software
[20:48] <Prafull> it says unment dependencies issue
[20:48] <skinux> MonkeyDust it seems that worked, was there anything else you were going to tell me to do?
[20:48] <Prafull> i have tried all available options
[20:48] <OerHeks> Prafull, on what ubuntu version ?
[20:48] <OerHeks> and what are you trying to install ?
[20:48] <k1l_> Prafull: run "sudo apt upate" and then "sudo apt full-upgrade". copy all the output to paste.ubuntu.com and show the link in here
[20:49] <Prafull> The following packages have unmet dependencies:  libsdl1.2-dev : Depends: libglu1-mesa-dev but it is not going to be installed or                           libglu-dev                  Depends: libpulse-dev but it is not going to be installed
[20:49] <Prafull> SDL 1.2
[20:49] <Prafull> i need to install graphics.h
[20:49] <popey> Prafull: what version of Ubuntu?
[20:49] <Prafull> 16.04
[20:49] <Prafull> same problem with installing wine
[20:50] <MonkeyDust> skinux  a few tips http://paste.ubuntu.com/24022438/
[20:50] <popey> odd, that installs fine here. do you have PPAs enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list ?
[20:50] <k1l_> Prafull: did you see my request?
[20:50] <OerHeks> first update, then install
[20:50] <Prafull> yes
[20:52] <Prafull> sed: can't read /etc/default/prelink: No such file or directory sudo: /etc/cron.daily/prelink: command not found
 hello
 Prafull: run "sudo apt upate" and then "sudo apt full-upgrade". copy all the output to paste.ubuntu.com and show the link in here
[20:52] <IceN9ne> Is using ccsm the only way to get quarter-screen snapping to work?  Last I recall, ccsm was to be avoided at all costs...
[20:52] <MonkeyDust> Prafull  sudo apt install prelink
[20:53] <k1l_> IceN9ne: look at unity-tweak-tool
[20:53] <Prafull> i have unity-tweak tool
[20:54] <k1l_> Prafull: that was not directed at you. please show the output on paste.ubuntu.com from the 2 commands i showed you
[20:54] <Prafull> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24022468/
[20:54] <rafaelcenteio> Hi, although I already tried various solutions available on the Internet, I can't run notify-send on my crontab. I already set the variables DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY. Thanks.
[20:55] <k1l_> Prafull: ok, that is a mess of ppas
[20:55] <rafaelcenteio> Any help would e appreciated.
[20:55] <Prafull> what should i do
[20:56] <k1l_> Prafull: that miro ppa only has packages for very old ubuntus.
[20:56] <Prafull> should i remove it>
[20:56] <k1l_> Prafull: yes
[20:56] <IceN9ne> k1l_: thanks
[20:56] <Prafull> ok.. i am doing it
[20:56] <dumle29> Hey guys. I have a question about bluetooth speakers. I can't get them to work. A while ago I could get them to work after pairing them, but they'd never work without an unpair / pair process again.
[20:57] <dumle29> however for a few months now, I can't get it to work period.
[20:57] <MonkeyDust> dumle29  install and run blueman
[20:57] <dumle29> I go into bluetooth, pair the speaker, and then it says connected for 2 seconds, then disconnects
[20:57] <dumle29> MonkeyDust: Thanks will try that
[20:59] <Prafull> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24022498/
[20:59] <Prafull> but same problem yet
[21:00] <k1l_> Prafull: then show the other problem on paste.ubuntu.com
[21:00] <popey> uhm
[21:00] <popey> you dont even have the archive enabled
[21:00] <popey> you _only_ have PPAs
[21:00] <Prafull> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24022507/
[21:01] <k1l_> Prafull: grep ^ /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:01] <popey> i suspect /etc/apt/sources.list is non existent or empty or all commented out
[21:01] <dumle29> MonkeyDust: Blueman says "device added but failed to connect"
[21:02] <Prafull> http://termbin.com/8udn
[21:02] <dumle29> MonkeyDust: Should I try a reboot?
[21:02] <popey> that sources.list looks lean
[21:02] <MonkeyDust> dumle29  sure, sound harmless
[21:03] <OnkelTem> Hi all
[21:03] <OnkelTem> How to enable VSync on official nvidia drivers?\
[21:04] <OnkelTem> I don't get it. All questions and answers I find seem to be outdated
[21:04] <OnkelTem> they recommend editing xorg.conf while we don't use it for YEARS
[21:04] <popey> Prafull: you run standard Ubuntu with Unity?
[21:04] <popey> OnkelTem: nothing wrong with maintaining xorg.conf
[21:05] <OnkelTem> popey: except it's not used
[21:05] <k1l_> Prafull: apt-cache policy libsdl1.2-dev libpulse-devlibglu1-mesa-dev | nc termbin.com
[21:05] <popey> OnkelTem: sure it is, if it exists
[21:05] <k1l_> Prafull: apt-cache policy libsdl1.2-dev libpulse-devlibglu1-mesa-dev | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:05] <popey> k1l_: he's missing xenial-updates and others, has only one line in sources.list
[21:05] <Prafull> yes
[21:06] <k1l_> popey: yeah, but imho that should work without updates iirc.
[21:06] <Prafull> http://termbin.com/pth2
[21:06] <druxy> d:
[21:06] <popey> true k1l_
[21:06] <k1l_> Prafull: go to the system settings  and enable the -updates and the -security repo. then run "sudo apt update" again
[21:07] <OnkelTem> popey: anyway I wonder why should we bother into editing xorg.conf just to enable vsync
[21:07] <popey> sure, if you need it OnkelTem
[21:07] <OnkelTem> need what? who doesn't need vsync?
[21:07] <popey> i dont have it enabled here
[21:07] <OnkelTem> are you still playing CS 1.6?
[21:08] <popey> I am not playing anything on my work laptop, no
[21:08] <popey> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[21:08] <druxy> Ey yo yo yo check out my mixtape
[21:08] <OnkelTem> popey: don't you watch movies? :)
[21:08] <k1l_> druxy: please keep this channel for technical ubuntu support only
[21:08] <popey> OnkelTem: sure, on my tv -> over there
[21:09] <OnkelTem> ahha
[21:09] <OnkelTem> ok, how to enable vsync?
[21:09] <OnkelTem> (back to technical questions)
[21:09] <popey> OnkelTem: edit xorg.conf :D
[21:09] <OnkelTem> popey: that's not the proper way I'm sure
[21:09] <popey> seriously, for years, it's _the_ way
[21:09] <k1l_> OnkelTem: looks like the nvidia drivers force users to handle it that way. other video drivers like intel dont need that anymore
[21:10] <popey> xorg uses xorg.conf if it exists, if it doesn't exist, xorg uses internal defaults
[21:10] <OerHeks> OnkelTem,  which nvidia version ? the 361 got problems with vsync
[21:10] <Prafull> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24022543/
[21:10] <popey> just because xorg.conf doesn't exist by default doesn't mean it never needs to exist
[21:10] <OnkelTem> OerHeks: 375, just updated with that proggy... cool things, cli based
[21:10] <k1l_> Prafull: "sudo apt full-upgrade" will install you many updates you were missing out
[21:11] <popey> Prafull: maybe also a "sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop^" to add missing items :)
[21:11] <OnkelTem> OerHeks: sgfxi!
[21:11] <OerHeks> OnkelTem, vsync should be available in nvidia settings though
[21:11] <Prafull> i am running that
[21:11] <popey> OnkelTem: guess what nvidia-settings does? - writes out an xorg.conf! *shock*! :D
[21:11] <Prafull> okk thanku so much bro.. i am just running and will tell you result
[21:11] <popey> Prafull: good luck! :D
[21:11] <OnkelTem> OerHeks: how is it called? I've only found "Sync to VBlank" which is under OpenGL group, which looks too specific
[21:11] <Prafull> :D
[21:12] <OerHeks> OnkelTem, that is the one
[21:12] <Npco> Can someone tell me how I can change or spoof my mac address?
[21:12] <OnkelTem> Hm, then why do I see tearing in VLC videos? I selected X11 XCB output
[21:13] <popey> Npco: there's a nice askubuntu post about this:- http://askubuntu.com/questions/81648/how-do-i-change-spoof-my-mac-address-and-easily-switch-between-multiple-ones
[21:13] <popey> Npco: covers it in detail
[21:14] <Npco> popey: Thanks! K
[21:14] <popey> np
[21:14] <Npco> popey: I tried macchanger and I cannot connect to any urls untill it reverts to the regular address.
[21:17] <kylebarbour> hello friends - have a question about where best to report a bug.
[21:18] <k1l_> !bug | kylebarbour
[21:18] <kylebarbour> I'm having issues with the virtual consoles (e.g. alt+ctrl+F2) not working after resuming from suspend
[21:18] <kylebarbour> no, no I know that, thanks :)
[21:18] <kylebarbour> I'm not sure if this is an ubuntu bug or something else, thought I could ask and see if someone thought I should post it somewhere else instead.
[21:19] <popey> kylebarbour: nvidia graphics card?
[21:19] <kylebarbour> nope, sadly that's not me.
[21:19] <kylebarbour> tried those solutions, nomodeset, console true text mode
[21:20] <kylebarbour> do you think I should post it on the ubuntu launchpad or are there better steps to find a more appropriate place to report it?
[21:21] <Conder> hello, please how to install ubuntu in bios/gpt mode? i know i have to create bios grub partition and then where install bootloader?
[21:21] <ikonia> Conder: the installer should do it for you
[21:22] <ikonia> and if you know how to do the bios grub partition that will allow you to use efi mode
[21:22] <ikonia> if you don't want to use efi - then legacy mode requires no special config
[21:23] <Conder> its a PC with bios only (no uefi support) but HDD is 4 TB
[21:23] <ikonia> ok, so no special config is needed
[21:23] <skinux> What does NetworkManager-wait-online.service do?
[21:24] <ikonia> i "think" it waits for a config to be verified as connected and access to online before moving to the next stage
[21:24] <ikonia> basically checks if your network is up
[21:24] <ikonia> but thats a reference from memory not for sure
[21:25] <Paprikachu> i have a directory that i can't delete.
[21:25] <Paprikachu> it has all the rwx permissions, no file attributes (lsattr) and i still can't delete it as root.
[21:25] <dumle29> MonkeyDust: Sadly same result :(
[21:25] <ikonia> Paprikachu: what file system is the directory on, what is the name of the directory
[21:25] <dumle29> MonkeyDust: Is there a log somewhere for bluetooth that I can find?
[21:26] <OerHeks> "nm-wait-online is required to make remote mounts work or services in general which depend on network-online.target "
[21:26] <Paprikachu> btrfs, it's a leftover from an installed lxc
[21:26] <w00tburger> Is there somthing out there than can put a quick UI to a backend database using query?
[21:26] <Paprikachu> the directory is /var/cache/lxc/rootfs-amd64
[21:26] <w00tburger> I have been out of the web business for a while
[21:27] <ikonia> Paprikachu: are you trying to delete a diretory within a container ?
[21:27] <ikonia> or from the host of the container
[21:27] <dumle29> I'll repeat my problem here, just in case someone else knows about it :)
[21:27] <Paprikachu> i uninstalled lxc, it's on the host.
[21:27] <ikonia> Paprikachu: how are you trying to delete it
[21:27] <Paprikachu> i tried rm -rf and rmdir, neither works
[21:27] <ikonia> I suspect there is still a container running against it, locking it
[21:27] <ikonia> Paprikachu: what happens when you run it
[21:28] <Paprikachu> "operation not permitted"
[21:28] <joao> hola
[21:28] <dumle29> So initially, I could connect and use my bluetooth speaker the first time after I paired it, however if I disconnected I'd have to remove the thing, and repair, however for several months now I have not been able to get bluetooth speakers working at all
[21:28] <ikonia> Paprikachu: that seems unlikley
[21:28] <dumle29> I pair it, it says connected for a second, then not connected, and I can't connect to it
[21:29] <dumle29> anyone know where there's a log to check for error codes?
[21:29] <dumle29> I tried installing blueman, and using that, but it just says "Device added successfully, but failed to connect"
[21:30] <Paprikachu> ikonia: well that's what i'm getting
[21:31] <Zezik> hi ubuntu community!
[21:35] <w00tburger> Anyone have any insight on a prebuilt front end that can query a backend database?
[21:35] <w00tburger> That I can just drop into place and let people have read only to a backend database?
[21:35] <w00tburger> I have been out of the web decveolopment game for too long :/
[21:36] <k1l_> w00tburger: maybe the webdeveloper channels are better suited for such a request.
[21:37] <w00tburger> But you all are so smart :)
[21:38] <ikonia> the smart thing to do is talk to web development resources
[21:39] <skinux> What exactly does this line do? sudo -e /lib/systemd/system/NetworkManager-wait-online.service
[21:39] <ikonia> skinux: where are you getting this info from ?
[21:39] <ikonia> skinux: what's your actual problem
[21:48] <skinux> ikonia: It's from a Ubuntu paste
[21:48] <skinux> Line 6 http://paste.ubuntu.com/24022438/
[21:50] <OerHeks> sudo -e = edit
[21:52] <skinux> I don't want to run that line depending on what it does. 90% of my activities rely on the internet.
[21:53] <OerHeks> skinux, thn let that nm service do its thing ?
[21:53] <OerHeks> don't mess up
[21:54] <skinux> I'm asking what that is telling it to do
[21:54] <OerHeks> "nm-wait-online is required to make remote mounts work or services in general which depend on network-online.target "
[21:54] <ikonia> skinux: who is telling you to do this
[21:54] <OerHeks> but if you are watching other channels, and don't read this ..
[21:55] <ikonia> thats not an ubuntu paste - thats just someone putting pastebin content into the ubuntu pastebin
[21:55] <ikonia> skinux: who made that paste and told you to use it - for what purpose
[21:55] <ikonia> it looks very very generic
[21:55] <skinux> MonkeyDust did
[21:55] <ikonia> why though ?
[21:55] <skinux> Said it was a few tips
[21:56] <ikonia> for what
[21:56] <skinux> After he helped me get Dashboard to come up faster.
[21:56] <ikonia> no, I'm sorry, that link should not be blindly executed
[21:56] <ikonia> do not blindly follow that link
[21:56] <skinux> Okay
[21:57] <skinux> I guess he was trying to screw me up
[21:57] <ikonia> I don't think he was
[21:57] <skinux> Hmm
[21:57] <ikonia> however that is way too generic
[21:57] <ikonia> thats not his personality
 It worked. thankyou
[22:00] <Prafull> Can any1 help me with graphics in ubuntu
[22:00] <Prafull> [xcb] Unknown sequence number while processing queue [xcb] Most likely this is a multi-threaded client and XInitThreads has not been called [xcb] Aborting, sorry about that. a.out: ../../src/xcb_io.c:274: poll_for_event: Assertion `!xcb_xlib_threads_sequence_lost' failed.
[22:00] <Prafull> I am getting this error
[22:00] <ikonia> doing what ?
[22:00] <Prafull> New in linux...
[22:00] <Prafull> I am just drawing some graphics and implimenting some algo
[22:01] <Prafull> but graphics just quits
[22:01] <ikonia> "drawing some graphcis" - how
[22:01] <ikonia> what EXACTLY are you doing to cause that error
[22:01] <phos1> I am getting an error when building my server with docker while tryint to install composer. https://github.com/adam3145/docker-drupal/edit/master/Dockerfile and https://hub.docker.com/r/act360/docker-drupal-local/builds/blzr34lhgqgb8qzvzjlr7hr/
[22:01] <popey> given he was having issues installing libsd1.2 I'd guess following an sdl tutorial, right Prafull ?
[22:02] <Prafull> Yaa i installed all security updates
[22:02] <Prafull> and now graphics.h is installed
[22:02] <popey> Prafull: you learning SDL?
[22:02] <ikonia> popey: where did you get the sdl info from ?
[22:02] <popey> ikonia: earlier in here
[22:02] <Prafull> ask ubuntu forum
[22:02] <ikonia> I just get "doing graphics" in the scroll back
[22:03] <Prafull> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24022840/
[22:03] <popey> ikonia: ~20:49
[22:03] <Speiros> Hiya:)
[22:03] <Prafull> Do i need to setup something else in order to run graphics code
[22:04] <popey> Prafull: are you following an online tutorial of some kind?
[22:04] <Prafull> Not yet
[22:04] <Prafull> i used to do it in turbo C++
[22:04] <popey> hah, retro! :D
[22:04] <Prafull> but i have no idea what is going wrong here
[22:06] <Speiros> Ok, see you later people.  Enjoy your day.
[22:10] <lerner> hi, yesterday I created a file named 95proxies in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ to direct all traffic through privoxy. I failed and I got rid of the file. But even with the file gone, if I try to run apt update, I get: Err:1  Unsupported proxy configured: 127.0.0.1://8118. Why do I still receive this error?
[22:11] <OerHeks> lerner, restarted networking ?
[22:11] <OerHeks> config is still in memory, i guess
[22:11] <lerner> OerHeks, if I turn the computer offand then on again, networking is restarted, right?
[22:12] <OerHeks> lerner, was just checking, yes it should.
[22:12] <k1l_> lerner: you did setup apt to use a proxy?
[22:13] <OerHeks> env | grep proxy
[22:14] <lerner> k1l_, I followed this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/175172/how-do-i-configure-proxies-without-gui ,the part starting with 'apt-get, aptitude, etc. will not obey the environment variables when used normally with '
[22:17] <lerner> OerHeks, https://paste.ubuntu.com/24022912/ which is how my /etc/environment is configured, but apt worked with /etc/environment configured this way before I created and deleted /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/95proxies...
[22:18] <OerHeks> lerner, so it looks like /etc/environment is still holding proxy sttings ?
[22:21] <OerHeks> mine contains just: PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games"
[22:21] <lerner> OerHeks, yes, this is how my /etc/environment looks like https://paste.ubuntu.com/24022933/ but if I delete it (exception: first line) and apt starts working, why did apt work before? again, this problem arised when I created and deleted /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/95proxies
[22:21] <OerHeks> lerner,  so you fixed it, good.
[22:22] <lerner> im confused
[22:23] <OerHeks> Oh, you mean that just adding to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/95proxies also changes etc/environment?
[22:24] <lujorilo> hello
[22:25] <lujorilo> i have a problem with my laptop
[22:26] <pfefferz> k1l: filed https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+question/466216
[22:26] <ostekake> Hello! I am trying to install ubuntu, but after I press "Install ubuntu" in the boot screen everything just turns blank and stops. I tried pressing C for extra options and adding "nomodeset" before quiet splash. got a gtx970 graphics card
[22:27] <lerner> OerHeks, I dont know. Unless I am missing something, my /etc/environment, with all the proxy lines you read, worked just fine before I added the file named '95proxies'...
[22:27] <lujorilo> i have it with two OS, Win7 and ubuntu, i was trying to format win7 and during the process it gave an error, when the laptop restarted it said Missing operating system. I started the laptop with a live cd and clic on try ubuntu but i cant see the files i had on ubuntu, on gparted the partition appears as unknown
[22:27] <lujorilo> Is there a way to recover my files?
[22:29] <doc|work> hey, using xubuntu, on resume I get a dialog for "Authenticate" which reads "To update the software catalog, you need to authenticate". Details are Action: org.debian.apt.update-cache. Anyone know how to make it so I don't need to auth?
[22:39] <Herbalist> you forgot your password ?
[23:06] <gafar> hi
[23:09] <doc|work> Herbalist, no, it's just annoying each time.
[23:13] <kevin-oculus> can i ask off topic
[23:14] <uxfi> hi kevin-oculus sir
[23:14] <k1l> !ot
[23:16] <kevin-oculus> hi uxfi
[23:19] <HoNgOuRu> how can I let only users in a group to execute certain programs ? example gedit...
[23:22] <nomic> HoNgOuRu use chmod to change the permissions of gedit
[23:22] <nomic>  /usr/bin/gedit
[23:22] <nomic> sets exec permissions for group
[23:22] <nomic> user
[23:24] <Quality_Beef> smells like popcorn
[23:24] <HoNgOuRu> nomic, ok thanks!
[23:25] <Quality_Beef> hello everyone
[23:32] <lucas-arg> we dont have obs studio in repos??
[23:32] <Barones> Hi, how can I place a windows application launcher on docky?
[23:33] <k1l> !info obs-studio
[23:34] <k1l> lucas-arg: well, it is in universe since 16.10
[23:34] <k1l> lucas-arg: for 16.04 you need ppa:obsproject/obs-studio
[23:35] <lucas-arg> thanks
[23:40] <F1nny> Anyone have any experience with bcache?
 I am not sure... but do you mean you have problems after created the .desktop file?
[23:42] <mcphail> F1nny: I use it on 2 machines
 or you haven't created one .desktop?
[23:43] <Barones> koleygr, I still have not created a .desktop file, I'm going to create a symlink poiting to the .exe file and see if it works and docky accept it
[23:43] <F1nny> mcphail: Ahh you may be my hero for some input haha, just looking for some suggestion/feedback, I have my system lvm on luks on software raid10. I'm looking to do an in place conversion/just add an SSD and bcache. So trying to make sure I got this right :P Already have backups and that jazz, just a sec here
 you need wine... Do you know that?
[23:44] <mcphail> F1nny: I haven't any experience of setting it up in place. Only on a fresh filesystem
[23:44] <Barones> koleygr, yeah, the problem is that docky doesn't accept wine launchers
[23:44] <conmanworknor> noobuntu
[23:44] <koleygr> yes... So you need a .desktop file
[23:45] <F1nny> mcphail: Ahhh gotcha no worries, ever use it with luks? I'm pretty sure have the in-place part down, just run blocks to-bcache /dev/md1 (raid/LUKS partition) [with lvm on top] then continue as normal, but for getting the SSD encrypted as well Im wondering if I create the partition on the empty SSD and luks-it then make-bcache OR if I run make-bcache first and luks the bcache device?
[23:46] <conmanworknor> sounds like you need to reconfigure. rm -rf /etc/*; espeak "your macbook has a virus";
[23:46] <k1l> !danger
[23:46] <Barones> koleygr, what do u mean by ".desktop file"
[23:46] <Capum321> https://dzone.com/articles/docker-daemon-for-32-bit-architecture  this tutorial demands installation of docker on step 3. But there is no package from ppa repository under 32 bit. Although synaptic has a docker from ubuntu repo "System tray for KDE/GNOME docklet app = is a docking appli (windowmaker) which acts as a system tray for any DE..." is it the same docker?
[23:46] <Barones> koleygr, launcher?
 You have to create a .desktop file in the directory /usr/share/applications or in /home/user/.local/share/applications.
[23:47] <Barones> koleygr, thanks, got it
[23:48] <mcphail> F1nny: you don't make things easy, do you? :) Not sure how luks fits in here in a secure manner. I've kept my setup extremely simple
[23:49] <F1nny> mcphail: Hahaha I know right! Ahh gotcha well no worries:) I'll just keep diggin/waitin for someone to stop being afk on the bcache channel over on oftc haha:)
[23:50] <mcphail> F1nny: good luck with that one!
[23:50] <ablest1980> startup encrpytion mcphail ?
 I am glad you got it... If you need more help I will be here for about an hour
[23:51] <mcphail> ablest1980: F1nny is converting to bcache and wants to know how to convert his lvm + luks setup in place. Beyond simple bcache setup, this is waaay beyond me
[23:51] <Barones> koleygr, I thought in make a symbolic link pointing to .exe file, that wouldn't work?
[23:52] <ablest1980> me too sorry
 No... It will not
 Wait a minute
[23:52] <ablest1980> exe windows?
[23:53] <Barones> running on wine
[23:53] <ablest1980> oh ;)
[23:53] <Barones> :P
[23:53] <ablest1980> anyone know if steamos is still available for ubuntu?
[23:54] <k1l> steam is still available for ubuntu, yes
[23:54] <ablest1980> nvm
[23:54] <ablest1980> ty
[23:55] <ablest1980> how to do install
[23:55] <ablest1980> not working with software center
[23:55] <k1l> !steam | ablest1980
[23:56] <ablest1980> thanks
[23:56] <k1l> in short: just install the steam package from ubuntu
[23:56] <ablest1980> doesnt work with software center
 http://askubuntu.com/questions/6765/how-to-associate-a-file-with-a-program-installed-in-wine
[23:57] <k1l> ablest1980: sudo apt update. then run sudo apt install steam
[23:57] <koleygr> ^ check the answer with one vote
[23:57] <ablest1980> k
[23:57] <k1l> ablest1980: if you get any errors then show the whole output on paste.ubuntu.com and link it here
[23:57] <ablest1980> k
[23:58] <ablest1980> so far good
[23:59] <ablest1980> thanks it worked