[00:22] <genii-netbook> BTW if anyone needs testers for something, I'm on a 3 day weekend at home with Zesty on my netbook. Just ping me if needed
[03:41] <DarinMiller> Clive and Rik: phab task updated with qt4/kde deps.  Let me know if you think I missed something and I will search them again. https://phabricator.kde.org/T5188
[03:44] <DarinMiller> Side note: kdegraphics-strigi-analyze is on the Zesty seed list but is missing.  Not sure if kdegraphics-mobipocket or kdegraphics-thumbnailers replace it.
[03:46]  * DarinMiller sighs.... still can't create his own *buntu website...waiting for wiki edit approval...
[05:52] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Zesty Beta 1] has been updated (20170219)
[05:52] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop i386 [Zesty Beta 1] has been updated (20170219)
[09:22] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[09:22] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project merger_kstars build #767: FIXED in 12 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_kstars/767/
[10:28] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kstars build #112: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kstars/112/
[10:30] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kstars build #381: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 7 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kstars/381/
[10:30] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kstars build #247: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 7 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kstars/247/
[11:37] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:52] <santa_> morning
[11:52] <BluesKaj> 'Morning santa_
[12:06] <acheronuk> morning
[12:07] <BluesKaj> 'Morning acheronuk
[12:08]  * acheronuk smells Sunday lunch cooking
[12:08] <acheronuk> ** stomach rumbles **
[12:09] <BluesKaj> daylight here ...sunrise 
[12:12] <acheronuk> clivejo: applets/kicker/package/contents/config/main.xml
[12:13] <acheronuk> 37: <default>preferred://browser,kontact.desktop,systemsettings.desktop,org.kde.dolphin.desktop,ktp-contactlist.desktop,org.kde.kate.desktop,org.kde.discover</default>
[12:14] <acheronuk> clivejo: so either patch that to change the defaults, or works out an override file if such exists
[12:23] <acheronuk> santa_: 'afternoon' now ;)
[12:23] <acheronuk> I may be about later, but not for most of the afternoon I expect.
[12:27] <santa_> ok
[13:43] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[13:47] <santa_> hi
[14:06] <lordievader> Hey santa_, how are you?
[14:24] <santa_> lordievader: fine thank you, working on a packagekit/plasma discover issue...
[14:40] <clivejo> nice to see stuff moving again! http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/ka-iron-hand_reports/frameworks_archive/5.31_zesty_proposed_migration.pdf
[14:41] <clivejo> next issue seems to be kf5-kdepim-apps-libs due to the gpgme issue?
[14:42] <clivejo> any progress on getting fixed gpgme uploaded?
[14:48] <santa_> clivejo: indeed that's the main blocker right now. I have sent a proposed fix to the bug report, let me find the link
[14:49] <santa_> clivejo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gpgme1.0/+bug/1647204/comments/44
[14:51] <santa_> clivejo: going to #ubuntu-release since we need an upload/feedback for this fix
[14:51] <clivejo> did anyone re-sub the sponsor team on the LP bug?
[14:52] <clivejo> great work on fixing it BTW
[14:52] <santa_> dunno
[14:52] <santa_> thanks
[15:07] <lordievader> santa_: Good luck ;)
[15:07] <santa_> thanks
[15:34] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: boot repair fixed my grub issue
[16:48] <clivejo> santa_ acheronuk you there?
[16:48] <santa_> yes
[16:49] <clivejo> what are your thoughts on that convo in -release?
[16:54] <santa_> we can discuss it there directly I think
[16:54] <santa_> but I think id we can get all applications to the same version that would be terrific
[16:55] <clivejo> agreed, but is it doable?
[16:56] <santa_> on our side it is
[16:57] <clivejo> I know PIM 16.12 is working great
[16:57] <santa_> I mean we can build all the packages in the ppa's and we have both the web status page + the new experimental graphs
[16:57] <clivejo> I've been using it for months now
[16:57] <santa_> and we also have my tritemio invention to deal with the autopkgtests
[16:58]  * clivejo nods
[16:59] <clivejo> seems like first step is file a FFE
[17:10] <clivejo> tsimonq2: ping
[17:23] <clivejo> santa_: do you have applications archive reports for proposed_migration?
[17:24] <santa_> clivejo: nope but I can enable them, give me a few minutes to tweak some things in the iron hand
[17:36] <santa_> clivejo: ok, I have been diggin a but into it: https://phabricator.kde.org/w/kubuntu/black-operations/iron-hand/ I need to do #5 from TODO and #4 from graphs whishlist to make the graph in question useful
[17:37] <santa_> and probably I should deal with #3 from wishlist soon too
[17:37] <clivejo> santa_: no hurry on it, just for handiness sake on my part!
[17:40] <santa_> clivejo: well I'm kind of hurry to get it, btw I'm retrying some builds individually to make a good assesment on what needs to be done for apps
 @clivejo, HAIYA
 @clivejo, Pong a long long
[20:16] <santa_> clivejo: http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/ka-iron-hand_reports/applications_archive/16.12.1_zesty_proposed_migration.pdf
[20:17] <santa_> I have also updated the wiki page explaining a bit how to use the tool in case you want to make your own
[20:17] <santa_> still need to work on the wrong version reporting + binary NEW packages
[20:29] <clivejo> santa_: would that chart be correct?
[20:30] <santa_> clivejo: which one?
[20:30] <clivejo> apps
[20:30] <santa_> ah, the proposed migration nvm
[20:30] <clivejo> I kinda expected kontact to be at the top
[20:30] <santa_> for apps yes, the one I linked
[20:30] <santa_> let me check
[20:31] <santa_> clivejo: kontact doesn't even appear?
[20:32] <clivejo> tsimonq2: sorry was AFK, was wondering if you would take on doing the paperwork for a FFe for KDE PIM
[20:32] <clivejo> it seems to be in the 2nd last layer
[20:32] <clivejo> 3rd from bottom
[20:32] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Catch me up and certainly
[20:32] <santa_> tsimonq2, clivejo: please hold that FFE, they are issues to fix first
[20:32] <tsimonq2> What's where and what do you want where?
[20:32] <tsimonq2> santa_: Ok
[20:33] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Catch me up either way so I can at least get a draft for the paperwork
[20:33] <clivejo> we had a chat with release team
[20:33] <santa_> sure, if you want to work on a draft, go ahead please
[20:34] <clivejo> we have been holding off on release KDE PIM 16.12 due to issues with gpgme
[20:34] <santa_> but note that we are having some build failures which we need to investigate to have a clear judgement of the feasibility of this
[20:34] <santa_> clivejo: going back to the apps graphs let me recheck...
[20:35] <clivejo> and commitment on getting the 20+ new packages which have been split out
[20:35] <santa_> but they are other issues with qtwebengine
[20:37] <clivejo> santa_: what sort of issues?
[20:38] <clivejo> arch?
[20:38] <santa_> yes
[20:39] <santa_> ok, about the graph I have just found kontact and doesn't seem i an odd place to me
[20:39] <santa_> note that an edge a -> b means you need the package a to build b
[20:40] <santa_> so it's about build depends, not runtime depends if that's what's tricking you
[20:40] <clivejo> I guess kontact doesnt have to have the sub components to work
[20:41] <clivejo> I noticed when I install kjots it just added more functionality to kontact
[21:03] <santa_> clivejo: I'm digging into the apps state. can we please have a mini meeting before the ffe?
[21:03] <santa_> they are also symbols files with missing symbols so those need to be either updated or the soname bumped
[21:03] <clivejo> something concerning you?
[21:04] <santa_> yes, so far
[21:04] <clivejo> they do need work done as the symbols are basically only for amd64 at the moment
[21:05] <clivejo> need to be staged properly and worked on
[21:05] <santa_> 1. like I have just said some symbols issues which need to be worked on
[21:05] <santa_> indeed
[21:05] <santa_> 2. the qwebengine is only building on some archs due to the v8 javascript engine not being available on those archs
[21:06] <santa_> 3. we need to get sorted completely the gpgme issue because some stuff seems to be exporting less symbols because of that
[21:07] <santa_> 4. we have to check the autopkgtests
[21:09] <santa_> last check: http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/buildstatus_ubuntu-exp3/ubuntu-exp3_status_applications.htmlhttp://gpul.grupos.udc.es/buildstatus_ubuntu-exp3/ubuntu-exp3_status_applications.htmlhttp://gpul.grupos.udc.es/buildstatus_ubuntu-exp3/ubuntu-exp3_status_applications.html
[21:09] <santa_> oops, sorry :(
[21:09] <santa_> http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/buildstatus_ubuntu-exp3/ubuntu-exp3_status_applications.html
[21:12] <santa_> clivejo: opinion on 2. ? (since the other issues seem feasible to do)
[21:14] <clivejo> well upstream only seem to care about amd64 and i386
[21:15] <clivejo> as long as it works on those, how many people will want PIM on an IBM Mainframe?
[21:16] <santa_> if that's not going to block us, that's great
[21:16] <clivejo> but Im not sure how the AA will view it :/
[21:16] <santa_> the AA?
[21:17] <clivejo> Archive Admin
[21:17] <santa_> ah, ok
[21:20] <santa_> clivejo: k, all of that being said... what about a mini-meeting, let's say, tomorrow night about the ffe? just to make sure we are all on the same page and aware of the remaining issues to solve. is that ok with you?
[21:21] <santa_> I'm of course all for upgrading and willing to work to get our house in order to be able to make the upload :)
[21:26] <valorie> nice to come back to so much great work being done! \o/
[21:33] <clivejo> Id like acheronuk to be there too
[21:33] <santa_> sure, me too. that's one of the reasons to ask for the mini-meeting, to get his input
[21:34] <santa_> valorie: ;)
[21:34] <clivejo> what worries me most is getting the NEW packages uploaded and accepted
[21:34] <santa_> yep
[21:35] <santa_> because it's an all or nothing thing
[21:35] <clivejo> but chatting to apw in -release channel sounds like he would help us on that
[21:35] <santa_> anc since we are going to need other team's help, better if we have our house in order
[21:36] <santa_> I have the impression we will have their cooperation too
[21:37] <clivejo> I know PIM 16.12 is working on amd64, as I been using it all along, but if the release team arent on board with us dropping other arch, then we might have a problem
[21:37] <santa_> that concerns me yes
[21:38] <santa_> if it's for me, well like you said I don't want to run kmail in an ibm mainfraime XD
[21:38] <santa_> btw hacking the iron hand to be able to discard some archs in the graphs
[21:38] <santa_> otherwise we won't be able to see the actual status of the thing
[21:38] <clivejo> can the arch be limited via the control file?
[21:39] <clivejo> ie only try to build this on amd64 and i386, ignore the rest?
 Yes
[21:40] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtwebengine-opensource-src/5.7.1+dfsg-6
 We could even have a subst variable in pkg-kde-tools
[21:40] <clivejo> seems to only be on amd64, armhf and i386
[21:43] <clivejo> why does it need libxnvctrl-dev, that's a NVidia thing isnt it?
[21:45] <santa_> dunno
[21:45] <santa_> I'm very new to this qtwebengine thing
[22:48] <clivejo> ovidiuflorin: Ovi One, are you there?