| krytarik | knome, flocculant: This is what I've done locally with regards to the doc syntax errors Unit193 referred to, further formatting errors, the few typos I mentioned yesterday, as well as some wordings that I think could be improved - please review, before I do anything with it: http://paste.openstack.org/show/l8oDqhn3ZEl9yO5YKrGO/ | 00:29 |
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| knome | krytarik, lgtm | 00:35 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Granted, could FFe (or ask if needed) with notifyd. | 01:21 |
| knome | has somebody taken care to reply to renan almeida, who contacted team through LP on PT-BR translation? | 01:22 |
| flocculant | krytarik: typo > windowi | 07:41 |
| krytarik | Ah nice! Didn't notice that. :P | 07:42 |
| flocculant | otherwise I'm fine :) | 07:44 |
| flocculant | re your pm ... | 07:44 |
| krytarik | Alright, guess I'll push it right away then. | 07:45 |
| flocculant | :) | 07:45 |
| flocculant | only 'really' looked at what you said in pm - not sure how I noticed windowi :p | 07:46 |
| krytarik | lol | 07:46 |
| flocculant | as you've seen I have a love/hate relationship with punctuation :D | 07:46 |
| krytarik | Yes yes! :P | 07:47 |
| flocculant | sometimes I love to hate it and then don't bother | 07:47 |
| -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-docs:: [zesty] r629 Syntax, formatting, typo, and wording fixes. (by Krytarik Raido) | 08:54 | |
| -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-mount-plugin 1.1.1 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-mount-plugin-1-1-1-released-tp48911.html (by Fabian Nowak) | 12:55 | |
| ali1234 | xrandr | 19:22 |
| ali1234 | hey so gtk3 is completely broken under virtualbox now | 19:24 |
| flocculant | not used vbox for ~3 cycles or so | 19:26 |
| ali1234 | if you install virtualbox-guest-x11 then gtk3 programs immediately exit at startup with no error | 19:27 |
| ali1234 | before they even open a window | 19:27 |
| flocculant | ali1234: which one - repo or vbox( or both I guess) | 19:27 |
| ali1234 | note that virtualbox-guest-utils no longer installs -x11 | 19:27 |
| ali1234 | everything from 17.04 repos | 19:27 |
| flocculant | never used to install that - used vbox version and their guest stuff | 19:28 |
| flocculant | ali1234: is -x11 needed? | 19:29 |
| ali1234 | without it, the xfce4 display settings dialog segfaults at startup | 19:29 |
| * flocculant installs it | 19:30 | |
| flocculant | is there an lp bug? tried ubuntu at all? | 19:30 |
| ali1234 | there is an LP bug which i submitted | 19:31 |
| ali1234 | it was marked as a duplicate of a private bug, so you can't see it, and i can't make it public | 19:31 |
| flocculant | vbox won't even start | 19:31 |
| flocculant | oh probably need some services to start | 19:31 |
| ali1234 | bug 1665048 | 19:32 |
| ubottu | bug 1665048 in xfce4-settings "xfce4-display-settings crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1665048 | 19:32 |
| ali1234 | oh yeah | 19:32 |
| ali1234 | i unlinked it from the duplicate | 19:32 |
| flocculant | yea saw that one | 19:38 |
| flocculant | ali1234: from the live session display settings is fine, and when you say gtk3 programs - do you mean any? | 19:39 |
| ali1234 | seems like pretty much any program at all | 19:39 |
| ali1234 | i'm doing a backtrace for dislay settings manually | 19:40 |
| ali1234 | since apport wont do it | 19:40 |
| flocculant | well tried calc, archive, menulibre - all gtk3 afaik - all work | 19:41 |
| ali1234 | did you reboot? | 19:41 |
| flocculant | installing now - see if there's a difference | 19:41 |
| ali1234 | are you in the live session? | 19:41 |
| flocculant | yea | 19:41 |
| ali1234 | because live session works fine | 19:41 |
| flocculant | ok - see ^^ :) | 19:41 |
| ali1234 | you have to install it, then fully update all packages, then install virtualbox-guest-x11, then reboot | 19:42 |
| ali1234 | you might also need to enable two monitors in the machine config | 19:42 |
| flocculant | I'll see ig I can confirm - I'll also see if it all goes belly up in ubuntu | 19:42 |
| flocculant | ack | 19:42 |
| flocculant | rebooting with 2 monitors | 19:46 |
| flocculant | or trying to reboot | 19:47 |
| ali1234 | the reboot dialog is one of the few things that doesn't get broken | 19:48 |
| ali1234 | the control panel stuff still works too | 19:48 |
| ali1234 | as does xterm | 19:48 |
| flocculant | won't boot | 19:49 |
| ali1234 | nice :/ | 19:49 |
| flocculant | tries to lightdm - vbox window itself resizes itself 4 or 5 times - then it just sits there | 19:49 |
| ali1234 | well i never saw that one | 19:50 |
| ali1234 | although - i set up my VM to auto login | 19:50 |
| ali1234 | so maybe it never even tries to show lightdm | 19:50 |
| ali1234 | press right-ctrl + f1 to get to a console | 19:51 |
| flocculant | tried restarting lightdm | 19:51 |
| ali1234 | try removing virtualbox-guest-x11 and rebooting | 19:52 |
| flocculant | if that was going to be next :) | 19:52 |
| flocculant | yup - booted | 19:53 |
| flocculant | nice | 19:53 |
| flocculant | up arrow to move it to 2 displays, I stopped it when it had reached 38 | 19:54 |
| flocculant | ok - so that's knackered ... trying to replicate that with Ubuntu now | 19:57 |
| flocculant | ali1234: ok - so without the -x11 - got a boot, without it will let me set 2 displays but only see's one when booted (I assume expected given -x11 not installed) | 19:58 |
| ali1234 | it works fine if i install from the VBOXADDITIONS CD image | 19:59 |
| ali1234 | not sure about display settings though | 19:59 |
| flocculant | I got some error trying to install that | 20:00 |
| ali1234 | yeah you will unless you purge the repo packages | 20:00 |
| ali1234 | -x11 pulls in -utils | 20:00 |
| ali1234 | not the other way around | 20:00 |
| flocculant | aah ok | 20:00 |
| ali1234 | the display settings thing - there's reports of the same crash without virtualbox even involved | 20:02 |
| flocculant | I'll dig out old monitor tomorrow and try on hardware | 20:03 |
| ali1234 | it seems quite hard to reproduce | 20:03 |
| ali1234 | oh yeah ubuntu removed droid fonts :( | 20:05 |
| knome | yes, because droid isn't "supported" | 20:05 |
| flocculant | evening knome | 20:06 |
| knome | hello | 20:06 |
| ali1234 | what is the default font of gnome? | 20:08 |
| flocculant | ali1234: with ubuntu - sometimes see the ubuntu splash screen when vbox window does it's bizarre thing | 20:08 |
| knome | don't know about gnome, but if you haven't been following, "noto" is the "successor" for droid | 20:13 |
| knome | ali1234, ^ | 20:13 |
| ali1234 | i know noto is the successor | 20:13 |
| knome | and nice to see your nick around here again :) | 20:13 |
| ali1234 | gnome uses cantarell | 20:13 |
| knome | right... why do i link that to apple? :P | 20:14 |
| ali1234 | trouble is that noto looks really awful on gtk because it is aligned differently | 20:14 |
| knome | it takes getting used to | 20:14 |
| ali1234 | cantarell is aligned properly but it is really really thin like a MS font | 20:14 |
| knome | i didn't want to use noto at first but now i'm fine with it | 20:14 |
| knome | i had the exact same issue... | 20:14 |
| ali1234 | by "differently" i mean it's visibly misaligned | 20:15 |
| knome | could a DPI change fix that? | 20:15 |
| knome | and yes i guess it can be a bit misaligned at places too | 20:16 |
| ali1234 | all my systems are overridden to 96 DPI already | 20:16 |
| ali1234 | noto actually looks better in the "new" adwaita | 20:16 |
| ali1234 | the one that cuts the top and bottom off icons | 20:16 |
| knome | right | 20:16 |
| flocculant | ali1234: reinstalling xubuntu - tried the vbox version and that wouldn't install, some dep on libpng version | 20:22 |
| flocculant | anyway - just want to be sure here - install -guest-utils in guest or host? | 20:23 |
| ali1234 | in guest | 20:23 |
| ali1234 | dont install anything in the host | 20:23 |
| ali1234 | except virtualbox | 20:23 |
| knome | ;) | 20:23 |
| flocculant | knome: long time since I vbox'd :) | 20:23 |
| ali1234 | it seems to be caused by version mismatch anyway | 20:23 |
| ali1234 | i have't noticed any problems yet | 20:23 |
| ali1234 | after installing the utils supplied by the host virtualbox | 20:24 |
| flocculant | that might be why it was having a paddy then - had other stuff installed on host | 20:26 |
| flocculant | ali1234: can't confirm that bug - tried a few times | 20:31 |
| flocculant | installing -x11 and I get this odd window resizing issue | 20:33 |
| ali1234 | er... what the heck happened to font rendering in libvte?? | 20:35 |
| ali1234 | its like it is using a completely different font for bold text | 20:36 |
| ali1234 | oh right... that's because it is... | 20:37 |
| ali1234 | (yes, xfce terminal does the same thing) | 20:39 |
| ali1234 | i suppose this is why there is a "allow bold text" option | 20:43 |
| ali1234 | oh i see. it is hinting | 20:45 |
| ali1234 | greybird-accessibility decorations are nice... | 20:49 |
| ali1234 | its basically orion :) | 20:50 |
| flocculant | ali1234: can't get it to crash with a second monitor on nvidia either | 20:53 |
| ali1234 | what? | 20:53 |
| ali1234 | which bug are you actually testing now? | 20:53 |
| ali1234 | the xfce-display-settings bug doesn't need dual monitors | 20:53 |
| flocculant | well not the vbox thing - but you mentioned people seeing issue without vbox | 20:53 |
| ali1234 | i've seen it happen in virtualbox with just one monitor | 20:54 |
| flocculant | ok | 20:54 |
| ali1234 | there are reports of it happening outside virtualbox with two monitors | 20:54 |
| flocculant | yes - I read that - not seeing it | 20:54 |
| bluesabre | evening all | 20:57 |
| flocculant | anyway - reported the issue I did see - and likely won't see anything added to that till someone marks it aas let's ignore it | 20:57 |
| flocculant | ali1234: might be worth seeing if slickymaster can replicate your issue, pretty sure he uses vbox all the time | 20:58 |
| flocculant | hi bluesabre | 20:59 |
| ali1234 | to be honest it was probably caused by the bad virtualbox guest utils as well | 20:59 |
| ali1234 | would be nice if it didn't crash on bad input though | 20:59 |
| ali1234 | it's not like xrandr was completely wrong or unavailable | 21:00 |
| ali1234 | i'll make yet another vm and try to repro it again | 21:00 |
| ali1234 | im sure i once managed to make it crash with no guest utils at all | 21:01 |
| flocculant | :) | 21:01 |
| bluesabre | ali1234, there was an update to fontconfig last year that made everything worse, particularly vte | 21:02 |
| bluesabre | worse sounds negative | 21:03 |
| bluesabre | "different" | 21:03 |
| flocculant | nothing wrong with worse, unless you're a snowflake :p | 21:04 |
| ali1234 | it does look a bit different | 21:05 |
| ali1234 | but all the problems i mentioned above i was able to recreate in 16.04 | 21:05 |
| bluesabre | flocculant, the pervasion of that word in the few months >.< | 21:05 |
| ali1234 | by changing the settings | 21:05 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: yea I knome | 21:05 |
| flocculant | sigh | 21:05 |
| flocculant | I know ... | 21:05 |
| bluesabre | we all knome from time to time | 21:06 |
| flocculant | ha ha | 21:06 |
| ali1234 | i think a few defaults have changed | 21:06 |
| ali1234 | plus its hard to tell when i can't use my regular font any more :( | 21:06 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: assuming that we've still got broken lock this week - what do you think we should do on Thursday - b1 release day | 21:07 |
| bluesabre | :( | 21:08 |
| bluesabre | let's pull in robert this week and see whats up | 21:09 |
| bluesabre | flocculant, have we had any updates regarding that recently? | 21:11 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: not since the one that you and ochosi were relaxed about | 21:11 |
| flocculant | not so easy for me to catch him - timezones | 21:11 |
| ali1234 | hmm okay this is weird. i have a font installed called just "sans" | 21:13 |
| ali1234 | that's what i was using all along, because droid sans isn't even installed. when i changed fonts, droid sans disappeared from the list and i could not reselect it | 21:13 |
| ali1234 | http://askubuntu.com/questions/885122/what-is-the-font-in-ubuntu-which-is-just-called-sans | 21:22 |
| knome | isn't that dejavu sans? | 21:26 |
| ali1234 | yes, sort of | 21:26 |
| ali1234 | https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1675235 | 21:26 |
| ali1234 | basically, "Sans" is a fallback which for me (and probably most people) ends up as dejavu sans | 21:26 |
| knome | yep | 21:26 |
| knome | dejavu sans is pretty extensive, so i don't think it needs many glyphs from other fonts | 21:27 |
| ali1234 | that also explains why i thought i was using droid, but really i was using dejavu | 21:27 |
| ali1234 | and also why noto looks completely different | 21:28 |
| ali1234 | because it really is | 21:28 |
| knome | the droid/noto comparison is considerable too | 21:29 |
| ali1234 | dejavu is *much* wider than droid/noto | 21:30 |
| knome | yep | 21:30 |
| ali1234 | for me that's the most noticable difference | 21:30 |
| knome | there's also height difference with noto/droid | 21:31 |
| knome | not sure how they compare to dejavu sans | 21:31 |
| ali1234 | yep, and with ubuntu as well | 21:31 |
| knome | yep | 21:31 |
| ali1234 | youd think a 10 pt font would always be the same size | 21:31 |
| ali1234 | at least in one dimension | 21:31 |
| knome | though you could kind of expect that noto/droid were closer... | 21:31 |
| knome | fonts are weird | 21:31 |
| === Justanick1 is now known as Justanick | ||
| ali1234 | okay i reproduced the display crash | 21:51 |
| ali1234 | got it nailed down this time | 21:55 |
| ali1234 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg5WRaaHEXQ | 23:16 |
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