| FJKong | Laney: hi Laney , in #1662787, I need to set status of bug to Fix Released after I put debdiff and changelog? | 06:36 |
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| hikiko | hello | 06:39 |
| desrt | good morning | 07:04 |
| desrt | hikiko: 'sup? :) | 07:07 |
| hikiko | hi desrt | 07:07 |
| hikiko | happy monday :) | 07:07 |
| desrt | happy monday, hikiko | 07:08 |
| momken | Hello | 07:40 |
| momken | Does anybody here know about ubuntu make? | 07:40 |
| momken | I want to know: | 07:40 |
| momken | 1- What version of IDEs does it install? | 07:40 |
| momken | 2- Where does it install them? | 07:40 |
| desrt | momken: didrocks knows a thing or two about this stuff... he should be online in 10-15 m ins... | 07:47 |
| desrt | er. maybe. he might actually have time off right now. hard to tell, though, since he keeps popping onto IRC anyway :) | 07:48 |
| momken | desrt: Don't you work with it? | 07:49 |
| desrt | no. definitely not. | 07:50 |
| momken | desrt: I read most of the written python scripts in https://github.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-make | 08:54 |
| momken | It tries to get the latest version by parsing html or other http outputs from the original websites | 08:54 |
| momken | And it installs them in $HOME/.local/share/umake by defualt | 08:55 |
| momken | And also creates desktop enries for adding shortcuts to apps menu | 08:55 |
| momken | desrt: Seems good. I should get used to it, because it will save time in creating a standard development environment over many computers | 08:57 |
| Laney | hello!!!! | 08:59 |
| Laney | FJKong: no, you put LP: #1234567 in the changelog and launchpad then closes it for you | 09:00 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1234567 in GNU Mailman "Czech catalog bug" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1234567 | 09:00 |
| FJKong | Laney: what should I do next? | 09:01 |
| Laney | for that one, nothing, it's too late after the thing is uploaded | 09:02 |
| Laney | just make sure it is right for other uploads | 09:02 |
| FJKong | just upload diff for pygtk? | 09:03 |
| Laney | sure | 09:03 |
| Laney | i'm waiting for you to post a new diff there anyway | 09:03 |
| FJKong | ok | 09:03 |
| willcooke | morning all | 09:04 |
| FJKong | mo | 09:04 |
| duflu | Morning willcooke, all | 09:06 |
| duflu | willcooke: I just noticed Unity8 is not part of the default zesty install. But it was in yakkety(?). Is that right? | 09:06 |
| willcooke | O_o | 09:06 |
| willcooke | No | 09:06 |
| duflu | OK, which part is wrong? :) | 09:06 |
| willcooke | It should be there, nothing changed on that front | 09:07 |
| willcooke | seb128, Laney - can you check the seeds pls? ^ | 09:07 |
| duflu | willcooke: Hmm, well the latest daily image(s) may well have corrected it | 09:07 |
| duflu | That was a couple of days ago | 09:07 |
| willcooke | thanks for the heads-up duflu | 09:07 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke Laney FJKong | 09:07 |
| FJKong | seb128: morning seb | 09:07 |
| duflu | willcooke: Was just missing unity8-desktop-session | 09:08 |
| Laney | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/daily-live/current/zesty-desktop-amd64.manifest | 09:08 |
| Laney | looks ok to me | 09:08 |
| Laney | hi willcooke | 09:08 |
| duflu | OK, sure. Might have been fixed already | 09:08 |
| willcooke | hi Laney :) | 09:08 |
| Laney | Yes | 09:08 |
| Laney | It broke last week and we fixed it | 09:08 |
| duflu | I don't install new images every day | 09:08 |
| FJKong | Laney: libssl-dev is the package name in ubuntu and libssl1.0-dev is the name in debian, right? | 09:09 |
| willcooke | Laney, that manifest, I only see one u8 package (policykit-unity8) | 09:09 |
| Laney | laney@nightingale> GET http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/daily-live/current/zesty-desktop-amd64.manifest | grep unity8 ~ | 09:10 |
| Laney | policykit-unity80.1+17.04.20161130-0ubuntu1 | 09:10 |
| Laney | unity88.15+17.04.20170206-0ubuntu1 | 09:10 |
| Laney | unity8-common8.15+17.04.20170206-0ubuntu1 | 09:10 |
| Laney | unity8-desktop-session1.0.13+17.04.20170110.1-0ubuntu1 | 09:10 |
| Laney | unity8-private:amd648.15+17.04.20170206-0ubuntu1 | 09:10 |
| willcooke | Wha da f..... | 09:10 |
| Laney | FJKong: I doubt that they are different | 09:10 |
| * willcooke blames gedit | 09:10 | |
| willcooke | sorry Laney | 09:10 |
| Laney | only use tools which were around in 1975 | 09:11 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 09:11 |
| willcooke | Laney, XD | 09:11 |
| Laney | ahoy davmor2 | 09:11 |
| FJKong | Laney: here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24032874/ | 09:12 |
| davmor2 | willcooke: use a real editor already be the man ;) | 09:12 |
| duflu | "It's a UNIX system. I know this..." | 09:12 |
| willcooke | but I got gedit just how I like it | 09:12 |
| * willcooke uses Powerpoint instead | 09:12 | |
| FJKong | Laney: should I just remain libssl-dev here? | 09:13 |
| willcooke | duflu, :)) | 09:13 |
| Laney | FJKong: No, you can keep what they did. In Debian they switched libssl-dev to point to openssl 1.1, but in Ubuntu we have kept it at 1.0 | 09:13 |
| Laney | The way in Debian to say that your thing doesn't work with openssl 1.1 is to switch the build-dep like they did there | 09:14 |
| davmor2 | willcooke: just use gvim, it looks like gedit only it's good :D | 09:15 |
| Laney | It's okay for us to have such changes | 09:15 |
| FJKong | but I don't find package libssl1.0-dev in ubuntu, is that ok? | 09:15 |
| Laney | no it's not okay, but it's also wrong :P | 09:16 |
| Laney | laney@nightingale> rmadison libssl1.0-dev ~ libssl1.0-dev | 1.0.2g-1ubuntu11 | zesty | amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, powerpc, ppc64el, s390x | 09:16 |
| Laney | maybe you're building for something older than zesty? | 09:17 |
| FJKong | oh i see | 09:17 |
| FJKong | thanks | 09:18 |
| Laney | /o\ | 09:18 |
| flexiondotorg | Morning desktopers | 09:19 |
| willcooke | hey flexiondotorg | 09:22 |
| seb128 | hey flexiondotorg, had a good w.e? | 09:24 |
| seb128 | other desktopers as well btw? ;-) | 09:24 |
| flexiondotorg | seb128 o/ | 09:24 |
| flexiondotorg | Yep, spent most of the weekend playing Lego with my daughter :-) | 09:25 |
| seb128 | nice | 09:25 |
| seb128 | what did you build? | 09:25 |
| desrt | Laney, seb128, willcooke, FJKong, flexiondotorg: hihi :) | 09:29 |
| flexiondotorg | desrt o/ | 09:29 |
| flexiondotorg | seb128 All manner of things. robots, treasure chests, jungle tree house, a case for a Raspberry Pi :-) | 09:33 |
| * desrt had a rather symbolic meeting with a belgian friend at the tri-point between DE/NL/BE on saturday, and went hiking yesterdday | 09:35 | |
| Laney | hey desrt | 09:35 |
| Laney | O_O | 09:35 |
| desrt | hi laney :) | 09:35 |
| desrt | good weekend? | 09:35 |
| Laney | hope the symbolism was positive | 09:36 |
| Laney | um yeah | 09:36 |
| desrt | it was. lots of peaceful pro-EU feelings all around | 09:36 |
| Laney | some friends got engaged & we had a meal with them | 09:36 |
| flexiondotorg | desrt o/ | 09:36 |
| desrt | no border closures | 09:36 |
| desrt | etc | 09:36 |
| desrt | flexiondotorg: o/ o/ :) | 09:37 |
| Laney | planted some pak choi | 09:37 |
| Laney | stuff | 09:37 |
| FJKong | desrt: hi desrt ✿ | 09:37 |
| * desrt sees the star alliance logo | 09:37 | |
| * desrt clearly spends too much time on planes | 09:37 | |
| desrt | oh for fucks sake | 09:37 |
| desrt | looks like gnome designers got their hands on the character map | 09:38 |
| desrt | FJKong: good morning :) | 09:39 |
| desrt | er... good... evening? | 09:39 |
| FJKong | 17:40 | 09:40 |
| FJKong | desrt: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Oh%20for%20fuck%27s%20sake | 09:42 |
| desrt | erm. ya... kinda like that, but taken down maybe two notches and "shut up" replaced with "stop rewriting applications" | 09:43 |
| davmor2 | desrt: but software has to be rewritten ever 3 years cause no one has a clue what they were thinking when they wrote it 3 years ago ;) | 09:44 |
| * FJKong agree | 09:48 | |
| ricotz | hey desktopers | 10:04 |
| ricotz | this might be serious enough for a sru https://paste.debian.net/plain/915725 | 10:05 |
| seb128 | ricotz, hey, could be, might be worth a launchpad bug report with SRU info/patch/sponsors subscribed if you are interested to do that and have a test case | 10:13 |
| pitti | hey folks, how are you? | 11:28 |
| Sweet5hark | moin | 11:38 |
| Sweet5hark | to whoever overrode the autopkgtests in zesty for libreoffice: thank you. | 11:38 |
| Laney | Sweet5hark: l10n migrated and it broke LO, so I had to do it really | 12:16 |
| Laney | would be good if that couldn't happen | 12:16 |
| Laney | hey pitti! | 12:16 |
| Sweet5hark | Laney: eh, yeah. that one. | 12:16 |
| momken | Hello | 12:40 |
| momken | I have another question about ubuntu-make: | 12:40 |
| momken | If an app could be installed both via 'umake' and also using a custom PPA, what method is better? | 12:41 |
| didrocks | momken: hey! if you want to always be sure to install the latest version (and use upstream developers upgrade mechanism), ubuntu make is designed for this | 12:48 |
| didrocks | at least, you are sure that the code hasn't be tempered with | 12:48 |
| didrocks | in a ppa, you don't know the quality of packaging, and remember that you are giving root access to the packager (we don't have many case of tempered PPA though) | 12:49 |
| didrocks | attente: it seems we were right! xdg-open (service part) will be finally integrated into snapd :p | 12:49 |
| momken | didrocks: currently there are only 'atom' and 'sublime' ppas available through webupd8team | 12:54 |
| momken | didrocks: The advantage of PPAs is that the app will be installed system-wide | 12:55 |
| momken | But 'umake' will always retrieve the latest version | 12:55 |
| momken | I always thought the PPA method is more ubuntu-style and so is more standard | 12:56 |
| momken | However, another problem of PPAs is that internet speed of ppas is usually slower than main ubuntu repos | 12:57 |
| momken | And it makes 'apt update' slower | 12:58 |
| didrocks | momken: yeah, ubuntu make wasn't really design with the ppa speed issue to be solved, but good point | 12:58 |
| didrocks | (to be fair, with umake, some packages will be installed system-wide (the deps not embeeded in the upstream tarball) | 12:59 |
| momken | didrocks: hmmm. | 12:59 |
| momken | didrocks: Is app update available using umake? | 13:02 |
| momken | I didn't see an option for that in its man-page | 13:03 |
| didrocks | momken: no, as we let upstream using their own update mechanism instead | 13:03 |
| didrocks | (most of them have one) | 13:03 |
| didrocks | another way is just to use --reinstall option | 13:03 |
| didrocks | which is enough | 13:03 |
| momken | didrocks: So how could I know forexamle a newer version of Atom is availabe? | 13:04 |
| didrocks | momken: Atom has this embeeded IIRC and will show you a notification that a new version is available | 13:04 |
| momken | I should manually check "umake ide atom" periodically? | 13:05 |
| didrocks | with an upgrade button which downloads a new tarball and extract it | 13:05 |
| momken | didrocks: Ok, but what about others? | 13:05 |
| didrocks | most of them have this kind of mechanism | 13:05 |
| didrocks | some don't, and no solution for this yet | 13:05 |
| didrocks | there was a discussion about this on https://github.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-make/issues/74 | 13:06 |
| momken | If I enter "umake ide eclipse" two times 6 months apart, will it get the newer tarball and overwrite its content over the older eclipse? | 13:07 |
| didrocks | momken: yes! it will ask for confirmation (and find back where you did specify to install it) | 13:08 |
| momken | hmm. I hope it delete the older folder first and then extract the newer one over it. I fear of interuptions with just overwriting existing files | 13:09 |
| momken | didrocks: Oh, you are the main commiter of umake! Nice to meet you. It is an honor to directly talk to the main author | 13:10 |
| didrocks | momken: heh, no worry :) to come back to your comment, yes, once the new tarball is downloaded, it will remove the old folder and extract over a new one at the same location | 13:11 |
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| * Laney bloop | 16:45 | |
| Laney | tkamppeter: I just noticed someone asked a question on ubuntu-desktop about google cloud printing a week ago and nobody replied to him - do you think you could maybe? | 16:48 |
| Laney | if it's something you know about | 16:48 |
| Laney | and hi :-) | 16:48 |
| willcooke | thanks Laney, that was on my list for this week as well :) | 16:48 |
| * willcooke throws the post it in the bin | 16:49 | |
| Laney | heh | 16:49 |
| Laney | I don't even remember seeing it, and yet it is not marked as unread | 16:49 |
| * Laney sucks at opening things to make the little counter go down without actually processing them | 16:49 | |
| willcooke | I used unread markers as a bit of a To Do | 16:49 |
| * Laney should do inbox (mailbox) zero or something | 16:51 | |
| willcooke | :) | 16:51 |
| jbicha | Laney: hi, do you want to look intot bug 1666264 ? | 16:52 |
| ubot5 | bug 1666264 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) "FFe: Update gnome-terminal to 3.24 and vte to 0.48" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1666264 | 16:52 |
| Laney | not hugely | 16:52 |
| Laney | but I get mailed about those bugs and I'll take a look at some point if nobody else does | 16:52 |
| jbicha | ok | 16:53 |
| Laney | those ones are kept as unread :-) | 16:53 |
| tkamppeter | Laney, I probably could. | 16:55 |
| Laney | awesome | 16:56 |
| tkamppeter | Laney, I was off the last two week, can you give me some link or so to this question, or ask the person to ask the question again? | 16:57 |
| willcooke | tkamppeter, (laney) I'll send you a link | 16:58 |
| Laney | I'll send it to you | 16:58 |
| Laney | there | 16:58 |
| willcooke | bah, I'm too slow | 16:58 |
| Laney | oops | 16:59 |
| Laney | well I bounced it so the reply will go to the list properly | 16:59 |
| willcooke | Nah, I didnt find the email in time | 16:59 |
| willcooke | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2017-February/004847.html | 16:59 |
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| tkamppeter | willcooke,, Laney, thanks, I have found it in my mailbox now. | 17:01 |
| tkamppeter | willcooke, Laney, problem of this approach is that Google Cloud printers which are personal of the user are set up as system-wide CUPS queues by this. | 17:02 |
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| willcooke | night all | 20:14 |
| flocculant | robert_ancell: have you been having any luck with the lightdm lock bug at all? | 21:04 |
| robert_ancell | flocculant, no, but I'm trying to get it fixed by the end of the week as I'll be on holiday for two weeks after that | 21:05 |
| flocculant | robert_ancell: okey doke - shall keep a watch for things happening - xubuntu is beta'ing this week - interesting times :) | 21:06 |
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