[06:36] <FJKong> Laney: hi Laney , in #1662787, I need to set status of bug to Fix Released after I put debdiff and changelog?
[06:39] <hikiko> hello
[07:04] <desrt> good morning
[07:07] <desrt> hikiko: 'sup? :)
[07:07] <hikiko> hi desrt
[07:07] <hikiko> happy monday :)
[07:08] <desrt> happy monday, hikiko
[07:40] <momken> Hello
[07:40] <momken> Does anybody here know about ubuntu make?
[07:40] <momken> I want to know:
[07:40] <momken> 1- What version of IDEs does it install?
[07:40] <momken> 2- Where does it install them?
[07:47] <desrt> momken: didrocks knows a thing or two about this stuff... he should be online in 10-15 m ins...
[07:48] <desrt> er.  maybe.  he might actually have time off right now.  hard to tell, though, since he keeps popping onto IRC anyway :)
[07:49] <momken> desrt: Don't you work with it?
[07:50] <desrt> no.  definitely not.
[08:54] <momken> desrt: I read most of the written python scripts in https://github.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-make
[08:54] <momken> It tries to get the latest version by parsing html or other http outputs from the original websites
[08:55] <momken> And it installs them in $HOME/.local/share/umake by defualt
[08:55] <momken> And also creates desktop enries for adding shortcuts to apps menu
[08:57] <momken> desrt: Seems good. I should get used to it, because it will save time in creating a standard development environment over many computers
[08:59] <Laney> hello!!!!
[09:00] <Laney> FJKong: no, you put LP: #1234567 in the changelog and launchpad then closes it for you
[09:01] <FJKong> Laney: what should I do next?
[09:02] <Laney> for that one, nothing, it's too late after the thing is uploaded
[09:02] <Laney> just make sure it is right for other uploads
[09:03] <FJKong> just upload diff for pygtk?
[09:03] <Laney> sure
[09:03] <Laney> i'm waiting for you to post a new diff there anyway
[09:03] <FJKong> ok
[09:04] <willcooke> morning all
[09:04] <FJKong> mo
[09:06] <duflu> Morning willcooke, all
[09:06] <duflu> willcooke: I just noticed Unity8 is not part of the default zesty install. But it was in yakkety(?). Is that right?
[09:06] <willcooke> O_o
[09:06] <willcooke> No
[09:06] <duflu> OK, which part is wrong? :)
[09:07] <willcooke> It should be there, nothing changed on that front
[09:07] <willcooke> seb128, Laney - can you check the seeds pls? ^
[09:07] <duflu> willcooke: Hmm, well the latest daily image(s) may well have corrected it
[09:07] <duflu> That was a couple of days ago
[09:07] <willcooke> thanks for the heads-up duflu
[09:07] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney FJKong
[09:07] <FJKong> seb128: morning seb
[09:08] <duflu> willcooke: Was just missing unity8-desktop-session
[09:08] <Laney> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/daily-live/current/zesty-desktop-amd64.manifest
[09:08] <Laney> looks ok to me
[09:08] <Laney> hi willcooke
[09:08] <duflu> OK, sure. Might have been fixed already
[09:08] <willcooke> hi Laney :)
[09:08] <Laney> Yes
[09:08] <Laney> It broke last week and we fixed it
[09:08] <duflu> I don't install new images every day
[09:09] <FJKong> Laney: libssl-dev is the package name in ubuntu and libssl1.0-dev is the name in debian, right?
[09:09] <willcooke> Laney, that manifest, I only see one u8 package (policykit-unity8)
[09:10] <Laney> laney@nightingale> GET http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/daily-live/current/zesty-desktop-amd64.manifest | grep unity8                                                                               ~
[09:10] <Laney> policykit-unity8	0.1+17.04.20161130-0ubuntu1
[09:10] <Laney> unity8	8.15+17.04.20170206-0ubuntu1
[09:10] <Laney> unity8-common	8.15+17.04.20170206-0ubuntu1
[09:10] <Laney> unity8-desktop-session	1.0.13+17.04.20170110.1-0ubuntu1
[09:10] <Laney> unity8-private:amd64	8.15+17.04.20170206-0ubuntu1
[09:10] <willcooke> Wha da f.....
[09:10] <Laney> FJKong: I doubt that they are different
[09:10]  * willcooke blames gedit
[09:10] <willcooke> sorry Laney
[09:11] <Laney> only use tools which were around in 1975
[09:11] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:11] <willcooke> Laney, XD
[09:11] <Laney> ahoy davmor2
[09:12] <FJKong> Laney: here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24032874/
[09:12] <davmor2> willcooke: use a real editor already be the man ;)
[09:12] <duflu> "It's a UNIX system. I know this..."
[09:12] <willcooke> but I got gedit just how I like it
[09:12]  * willcooke uses Powerpoint instead
[09:13] <FJKong> Laney: should I just remain libssl-dev here?
[09:13] <willcooke> duflu, :))
[09:13] <Laney> FJKong: No, you can keep what they did. In Debian they switched libssl-dev to point to openssl 1.1, but in Ubuntu we have kept it at 1.0
[09:14] <Laney> The way in Debian to say that your thing doesn't work with openssl 1.1 is to switch the build-dep like they did there
[09:15] <davmor2> willcooke: just use gvim, it looks like gedit only it's good :D
[09:15] <Laney> It's okay for us to have such changes
[09:15] <FJKong> but I don't find package libssl1.0-dev in ubuntu, is that ok?
[09:16] <Laney> no it's not okay, but it's also wrong :P
[09:16] <Laney> laney@nightingale> rmadison libssl1.0-dev                                                                                                                                                           ~ libssl1.0-dev | 1.0.2g-1ubuntu11 | zesty | amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, powerpc, ppc64el, s390x
[09:17] <Laney> maybe you're building for something older than zesty?
[09:17] <FJKong> oh i see
[09:18] <FJKong> thanks
[09:18] <Laney> /o\
[09:19] <flexiondotorg> Morning desktopers
[09:22] <willcooke> hey flexiondotorg
[09:24] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg, had a good w.e?
[09:24] <seb128> other desktopers as well btw? ;-)
[09:24] <flexiondotorg> seb128 o/
[09:25] <flexiondotorg> Yep, spent most of the weekend playing Lego with my daughter :-)
[09:25] <seb128> nice
[09:25] <seb128> what did you build?
[09:29] <desrt> Laney, seb128, willcooke, FJKong, flexiondotorg: hihi :)
[09:29] <flexiondotorg> desrt o/
[09:33] <flexiondotorg> seb128 All manner of things. robots, treasure chests, jungle tree house, a case for a Raspberry Pi :-)
[09:35]  * desrt had a rather symbolic meeting with a belgian friend at the tri-point between DE/NL/BE on saturday, and went hiking yesterdday
[09:35] <Laney> hey desrt
[09:35] <Laney> O_O
[09:35] <desrt> hi laney :)
[09:35] <desrt> good weekend?
[09:36] <Laney> hope the symbolism was positive
[09:36] <Laney> um yeah
[09:36] <desrt> it was.  lots of peaceful pro-EU feelings all around
[09:36] <Laney> some friends got engaged & we had a meal with them
[09:36] <flexiondotorg> desrt o/
[09:36] <desrt> no border closures
[09:36] <desrt> etc
[09:37] <desrt> flexiondotorg: o/ o/ :)
[09:37] <Laney> planted some pak choi
[09:37] <Laney> stuff
[09:37] <FJKong> desrt: hi desrt ✿
[09:37]  * desrt sees the star alliance logo
[09:37]  * desrt clearly spends too much time on planes
[09:37] <desrt> oh for fucks sake
[09:38] <desrt> looks like gnome designers got their hands on the character map
[09:39] <desrt> FJKong: good morning :)
[09:39] <desrt> er... good... evening?
[09:40] <FJKong> 17:40
[09:42] <FJKong> desrt: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Oh%20for%20fuck%27s%20sake
[09:43] <desrt> erm.  ya... kinda like that, but taken down maybe two notches and "shut up" replaced with "stop rewriting applications"
[09:44] <davmor2> desrt: but software has to be rewritten ever 3 years cause no one has a clue what they were thinking when they wrote it 3 years ago ;)
[09:48]  * FJKong agree
[10:04] <ricotz> hey desktopers
[10:05] <ricotz> this might be serious enough for a sru https://paste.debian.net/plain/915725
[10:13] <seb128> ricotz, hey, could be, might be worth a launchpad bug report with SRU info/patch/sponsors subscribed if you are interested to do that and have a test case
[11:28] <pitti> hey folks, how are you?
[11:38] <Sweet5hark> moin
[11:38] <Sweet5hark> to whoever overrode the autopkgtests in zesty for libreoffice: thank you.
[12:16] <Laney> Sweet5hark: l10n migrated and it broke LO, so I had to do it really
[12:16] <Laney> would be good if that couldn't happen
[12:16] <Laney> hey pitti!
[12:16] <Sweet5hark> Laney: eh, yeah. that one.
[12:40] <momken> Hello
[12:40] <momken> I have another question about ubuntu-make:
[12:41] <momken> If an app could be installed both via 'umake' and also using a custom PPA, what method is better?
[12:48] <didrocks> momken: hey! if you want to always be sure to install the latest version (and use upstream developers upgrade mechanism), ubuntu make is designed for this
[12:48] <didrocks> at least, you are sure that the code hasn't be tempered with
[12:49] <didrocks> in a ppa, you don't know the quality of packaging, and remember that you are giving root access to the packager (we don't have many case of tempered PPA though)
[12:49] <didrocks> attente: it seems we were right! xdg-open (service part) will be finally integrated into snapd :p
[12:54] <momken> didrocks: currently there are only 'atom' and 'sublime' ppas available through webupd8team
[12:55] <momken> didrocks:  The advantage of PPAs is that the app will be installed system-wide
[12:55] <momken> But 'umake' will always retrieve the latest version
[12:56] <momken> I always thought the PPA method is more ubuntu-style and so is more standard
[12:57] <momken> However, another problem of PPAs is that internet speed of ppas is usually slower than main ubuntu repos
[12:58] <momken> And it makes 'apt update' slower
[12:58] <didrocks> momken: yeah, ubuntu make wasn't really design with the ppa speed issue to be solved, but good point
[12:59] <didrocks> (to be fair, with umake, some packages will be installed system-wide (the deps not embeeded in the upstream tarball)
[12:59] <momken> didrocks: hmmm.
[13:02] <momken> didrocks: Is app update available using umake?
[13:03] <momken> I didn't see an option for that in its man-page
[13:03] <didrocks> momken: no, as we let upstream using their own update mechanism instead
[13:03] <didrocks> (most of them have one)
[13:03] <didrocks> another way is just to use --reinstall option
[13:03] <didrocks> which is enough
[13:04] <momken> didrocks: So how could I know forexamle a newer version of Atom is availabe?
[13:04] <didrocks> momken: Atom has this embeeded IIRC and will show you a notification that a new version is available
[13:05] <momken> I should manually check "umake ide atom" periodically?
[13:05] <didrocks> with an upgrade button which downloads a new tarball and extract it
[13:05] <momken> didrocks: Ok, but what about others?
[13:05] <didrocks> most of them have this kind of mechanism
[13:05] <didrocks> some don't, and no solution for this yet
[13:06] <didrocks> there was a discussion about this on https://github.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-make/issues/74
[13:07] <momken> If I enter "umake ide eclipse" two times 6 months apart, will it get the newer tarball and overwrite its content over the older eclipse?
[13:08] <didrocks> momken: yes! it will ask for confirmation (and find back where you did specify to install it)
[13:09] <momken> hmm. I hope it delete the older folder first and then extract the newer one over it. I fear of interuptions with just overwriting existing files
[13:10] <momken> didrocks: Oh, you are the main commiter of umake! Nice to meet you. It is an honor to directly talk to the main author
[13:11] <didrocks> momken: heh, no worry :) to come back to your comment, yes, once the new tarball is downloaded, it will remove the old folder and extract over a new one at the same location
[16:45]  * Laney bloop
[16:48] <Laney> tkamppeter: I just noticed someone asked a question on ubuntu-desktop about google cloud printing a week ago and nobody replied to him - do you think you could maybe?
[16:48] <Laney> if it's something you know about
[16:48] <Laney> and hi :-)
[16:48] <willcooke> thanks Laney, that was on my list for this week as well :)
[16:49]  * willcooke throws the post it in the bin
[16:49] <Laney> heh
[16:49] <Laney> I don't even remember seeing it, and yet it is not marked as unread
[16:49]  * Laney sucks at opening things to make the little counter go down without actually processing them
[16:49] <willcooke> I used unread markers as a bit of a To Do
[16:51]  * Laney should do inbox (mailbox) zero or something
[16:51] <willcooke> :)
[16:52] <jbicha> Laney: hi, do you want to look intot bug 1666264 ?
[16:52] <Laney> not hugely
[16:52] <Laney> but I get mailed about those bugs and I'll take a look at some point if nobody else does
[16:53] <jbicha> ok
[16:53] <Laney> those ones are kept as unread :-)
[16:55] <tkamppeter> Laney, I probably could.
[16:56] <Laney> awesome
[16:57] <tkamppeter> Laney, I was off the last two week, can you give me some link or so to this question, or ask the person to ask the question again?
[16:58] <willcooke> tkamppeter, (laney) I'll send you a link
[16:58] <Laney> I'll send it to you
[16:58] <Laney> there
[16:58] <willcooke> bah, I'm too slow
[16:59] <Laney> oops
[16:59] <Laney> well I bounced it so the reply will go to the list properly
[16:59] <willcooke> Nah, I didnt find the email in time
[16:59] <willcooke> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2017-February/004847.html
[17:01] <tkamppeter> willcooke,, Laney, thanks, I have found it in my mailbox now.
[17:02] <tkamppeter> willcooke, Laney, problem of this approach is that Google Cloud printers which are personal of the user are set up as system-wide CUPS queues by this.
[20:14] <willcooke> night all
[21:04] <flocculant> robert_ancell: have you been having any luck with the lightdm lock bug at all?
[21:05] <robert_ancell> flocculant, no, but I'm trying to get it fixed by the end of the week as I'll be on holiday for two weeks after that
[21:06] <flocculant> robert_ancell: okey doke - shall keep a watch for things happening - xubuntu is beta'ing this week - interesting times :)