| OerHeks | 17.10 – name TBD ?? https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/06/shuttleworth_unity_8_carrots/ | 02:57 |
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| Bashing-om | ^^ In it for the long haul and foraging ahead :) | 03:12 |
| OerHeks | there be dragons .. | 03:13 |
| Bashing-om | Yeah ! there do be them there dragons . I updated 17.04 today running gnome3, the upgrade hung for minutes .. and I thought it had fallen on it's face, but when I retured from my fumming the system had picked up and was goin on :) . Mir on 17.04 does not bode well for me . | 03:17 |
| OerHeks | hbd .. hbe .. hbf .. ~.. hbo here be Oerheks \0/ .. that would be 23.04 | 03:29 |
| Bashing-om | But, But - bbbuttt ,, does it run on my desktop .. and no ?? what must I then do to make it happen ! That is the only important question . | 03:33 |
| OerHeks | :-( not sure why you cannot run mir properly | 03:36 |
| daftykins | try speaking with a more Russian accent near your PC! | 03:36 |
| OerHeks | da | 03:37 |
| OerHeks | here be wodka! | 03:37 |
| daftykins | :> | 03:37 |
| Bashing-om | OerHeks: Not messed with it enough to see . The kernel is fine . just what is laid on top ( and the lack thereof - that will come in time ) . | 03:38 |
| OerHeks | police helicopters over my house, there must be someone on the run | 03:40 |
| daftykins | uh oh Drabber has been robbing banks whilst you sleep, again | 03:41 |
| OerHeks | He does know my pin code ... | 03:41 |
| daftykins | :O | 03:41 |
| Bashing-om | In the finest of doggie voices - Do not force me - I will use this if I have to :) Marrow bone now please . | 03:43 |
| OerHeks | cookie he understands, he does not like a bone to chew on :-( | 03:45 |
| OerHeks | which is sad, i know | 03:45 |
| Bashing-om | some peoples' taste ! :) | 03:48 |
| OerHeks | He does not like human cookies too .. which is good. | 03:49 |
| OerHeks | :-D | 03:49 |
| OerHeks | so no yellow/brown teeth .. no skin issues .. | 03:49 |
| OerHeks | no cheese, no meat prepared ... | 03:49 |
| OerHeks | But i always make sure there are enough dog-treats. | 03:50 |
| OerHeks | .. my moms dogs are different, they eat anything :-( | 03:50 |
| Bashing-om | Ever want to see a hurt expression : " chocolate is not for doggies " . | 03:51 |
| OerHeks | brrr .. choco can kill them | 03:52 |
| OerHeks | No, the vet is always happy to see me. | 03:52 |
| OerHeks | shiny soft hair .. without shampoo ( just brush it every 2 days) | 03:53 |
| Bashing-om | Ouch! reminds me I am behind in the brushing department :( | 03:54 |
| OerHeks | :-) | 03:55 |
| OerHeks | You look much nicer with shiny hair, Bashing-om | 03:55 |
| Bashing-om | so my other half also reminds me . ( Brush that hair !) | 03:56 |
| Bashing-om | Had all I can stand, can stands no more . good nite . | 06:34 |
| ducasse | good morning | 07:00 |
| lordievader | Good morning | 09:05 |
| BluesKaj | Hi folks | 11:18 |
| lotuspsychje | good afternoon to all | 15:06 |
| OerHeks | la la la la hi lotus ;-D | 15:06 |
| ducasse | hiya lotus :) | 15:06 |
| lotuspsychje | hellow OerHeks & ducasse :p | 15:06 |
| ducasse | home from work? :) | 15:07 |
| lotuspsychje | and howdy BluesKaj | 15:07 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: yep, finished early shift | 15:07 |
| BluesKaj | hey lotuspsychje LTNS! | 15:07 |
| BluesKaj | Hi OerHeks :-) | 15:08 |
| lotuspsychje | i had discussion the other about if linux needs a clean in a while or not, what you guys think? | 15:08 |
| lotuspsychje | *day | 15:08 |
| lotuspsychje | the guy said his system run 18 years and never had to clean nothing | 15:09 |
| OerHeks | Clean? like in cruft files from removed apps? | 15:09 |
| lotuspsychje | OerHeks: yeah overal system clean/optimize | 15:10 |
| OerHeks | indeed, never had any issue with that. | 15:10 |
| lotuspsychje | OerHeks: but does it mean linux doesnt get junk files? | 15:10 |
| ducasse | i've never really done any cleanup, other than apt autoremove and cleaning up my homedir now and then. | 15:11 |
| OerHeks | That is right. | 15:11 |
| lotuspsychje | so whats the need of janitor or bleachbit then? how can it wipe 2gig or more? | 15:11 |
| OerHeks | only logs can do some drivespace-eating.. but logrotate takes care of that. | 15:11 |
| lotuspsychje | browser stuff? /tmp? | 15:11 |
| OerHeks | bleachit.. it can remove 2 gb, but 24 hrs later there is 1 gb back... | 15:12 |
| ducasse | tmp is cleaned on boot | 15:12 |
| lotuspsychje | right | 15:12 |
| ducasse | bleachbit probably cleans ~/.cache or something. | 15:12 |
| lotuspsychje | how about /boot ? | 15:13 |
| lotuspsychje | we had some users with full /boot to get solved with bleachbit | 15:13 |
| ducasse | it cleans out old kernels. | 15:14 |
| OerHeks | oh kernels .. that is an issue indeed. | 15:14 |
| ducasse | which _should_ happen by itself. | 15:14 |
| lotuspsychje_ | ducasse, OerHeks once saw a user with like kernels from years far in his list | 15:16 |
| ducasse | i don't doubt that. | 15:17 |
| lotuspsychje_ | perhaps for advanced users they know howto maintaint their system, everything stays smooth? | 15:18 |
| lotuspsychje_ | but novice can scramble their systems over the years right | 15:18 |
| ducasse | of course, if you manually build and install tons of crap from github and don't bother making packages, there can be stuff left over that you no longer use. | 15:18 |
| lotuspsychje_ | ducasse: so lets say, it all depends on the user habits? | 15:20 |
| ducasse | well, yes, but it's normally a much smaller problem than on windows with modern distros and package management. | 15:21 |
| OerHeks | autoremove should be an option while upgrading. | 15:22 |
| OerHeks | distroupgrading does this fine | 15:22 |
| ducasse | you mean it should prompt the user? | 15:22 |
| OerHeks | no prompt, just an option in update/sources menu | 15:22 |
| lotuspsychje_ | good idea | 15:23 |
| ducasse | sounds good to me. seen plenty of users who suddenly have 100+ packages the system wants to remove. | 15:23 |
| OerHeks | "allways install latest versions and remove old unused ones"( carefull bla bla bla) | 15:23 |
| lotuspsychje_ | lol | 15:23 |
| lotuspsychje_ | OerHeks: but old unused kernels arent like vulnerable when not in use right? | 15:24 |
| OerHeks | as opt in, else true linux diehards have something to shout @ SABDFL | 15:24 |
| ducasse | sure, it could be an apt preference | 15:25 |
| OerHeks | old kernels can't be a securityrisc indeed | 15:25 |
| lotuspsychje_ | unless you boot them | 15:25 |
| lotuspsychje_ | i would also find it good idea to add default janitor to the system, so users left the choice to clean ot not | 15:26 |
| lotuspsychje_ | so if you dont need, dont use, but when you scramble alot you had the choice | 15:26 |
| ducasse | autoremove could also run as a cron job... | 15:27 |
| ducasse | but a 'janitor' would have a really hard time cleaning out manually installed stuff. i can't see how that could happen. | 15:27 |
| lotuspsychje_ | system warns to autoremive in terminal now right, perhaps the GUI warning like OerHeks says, would be good idea | 15:28 |
| lotuspsychje_ | ducasse: yeah indeed, messing with github/ppa's will always exist | 15:28 |
| BluesKaj | I run autremove and autoclean periodically, like once/week or so without any ill effects | 15:29 |
| ducasse | ppas aren't a problem, they are managed by apt. built from source are just files. | 15:29 |
| ducasse | BluesKaj: manually or from cron? | 15:30 |
| BluesKaj | ducasse, when I think of it :-) | 15:31 |
| ducasse | good answer :) | 15:31 |
| lotuspsychje_ | !info janitor | 15:32 |
| ubot5 | Package janitor does not exist in xenial | 15:32 |
| lotuspsychje_ | !find janitor | 15:32 |
| ubot5 | File janitor found in byobu, coccinelle-doc, elementary-icon-theme, faenza-icon-theme, font-manager, gnome-colors-common, gnome-icon-theme-gartoon-redux, humanity-icon-theme, kde-l10n-bs, kde-l10n-ca (and 36 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=janitor&mode=&suite=xenial&arch=any | 15:32 |
| BluesKaj | always make a point of deleting ppas after testing use to prevent further problems | 15:36 |
| OerHeks | users who do not update in terminal, are surprised by full-upgrade | 15:37 |
| OerHeks | that could be a real complaint | 15:37 |
| lotuspsychje_ | OerHeks: surprised how? | 15:37 |
| OerHeks | newer kernel as example | 15:37 |
| lotuspsychje_ | ah yes | 15:38 |
| ducasse | are they held back by the gui? | 15:38 |
| OerHeks | maybe there is a difference LTS <> non-LTS, not sure about that | 15:38 |
| lotuspsychje_ | but the average users have no clue whats going on behind the process | 15:38 |
| lotuspsychje_ | i see alot of my customers avoid updates still lol | 15:39 |
| lotuspsychje_ | everytime i come to their house, update icon is active | 15:39 |
| OerHeks | oh, i press the update button, kernels are offered here... | 15:39 |
| ducasse | lotuspsychje_: they're probably scared of them, coming from windows :) | 15:42 |
| BluesKaj | I give new kernels at least a weeks delay if not longer..learned my lesson the hard way with this older HW/drivers | 15:42 |
| lotuspsychje_ | ducasse: lol | 15:43 |
| OerHeks | reboot, brb | 15:44 |
| ducasse | bah, reboots. humbug! ;) | 15:45 |
| OerHeks | 1 minute including logging in ircd \0/ | 15:46 |
| ducasse | 16:46:38 up 313 days, 9:48, 4 users, load average: 0.62, 0.16, 0.09 | 15:46 |
| OerHeks | 16:46:55 up 1 min, 1 user, load average: 0,74, 0,51, 0,20 | 15:47 |
| ducasse | that was my fileserver, though. it just chugs away unloved in a small room. | 15:48 |
| ducasse | lotuspsychje_: what's happening on the business side? | 15:49 |
| lotuspsychje_ | ducasse: still working on my room mate, going slowly | 15:50 |
| lotuspsychje_ | ducasse: but meanwhile i can make costs for my business np | 15:50 |
| lotuspsychje_ | ducasse: ordered like 10 850 pro ssd's already in case of upgrades | 15:51 |
| ducasse | raid-6! | 15:51 |
| lotuspsychje_ | lol | 15:52 |
| lotuspsychje_ | ducasse: cant be greedy, not holding them back for myself :p | 15:52 |
| ducasse | i know. sad, though, to sit on so much nice hw you can't use. | 15:53 |
| lotuspsychje_ | :p | 15:53 |
| ducasse | when i worked ay\t the norwegian branch of sun, we had some _nice_ hardware, and the upside was that we could play with it for testing :) | 15:54 |
| ducasse | *at | 15:54 |
| lotuspsychje_ | nice | 15:57 |
| lotuspsychje_ | ducasse: you worked for SUN?. | 15:57 |
| ducasse | yes, this was a long time ago :) | 15:57 |
| lotuspsychje_ | cool mate | 15:58 |
| ducasse | gtg, bbl | 15:59 |
| horsewhip | What do people use for password management? | 16:03 |
| horsewhip | Anyone use anything that works across Linux, Mac & iOS? | 16:03 |
| DArqueBishop | horsewhip: personally I use KeePass. | 16:04 |
| horsewhip | DArqueBishop: On what devices? | 16:04 |
| DArqueBishop | KeePass in Windows, KeePassX on Linux, and MiniKeePass on iOS. | 16:05 |
| horsewhip | I didn't know MiniKeePass had any kind of syncing. | 16:06 |
| DArqueBishop | It supports Dropbox. | 16:07 |
| * horsewhip reads the docs | 16:07 | |
| horsewhip | Hmmmm, not much of a fan of Dropbox. | 16:07 |
| horsewhip | Ahhh, you have to manually export the DB back to Dropbox. | 16:08 |
| * DArqueBishop nods. | 16:11 | |
| DArqueBishop | Considering how infrequently I make changes on the mobile side, it's a non-issue doe me. | 16:11 |
| DArqueBishop | s/doe/for/ | 16:11 |
| horsewhip | I'm currently checking out https://www.passwordstore.org/ | 16:13 |
| horsewhip | ... and https://github.com/mssun/pass-ios | 16:13 |
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| Bashing-om | OK, been a trying morning ! I am ready to have fun now :) | 18:47 |
| ducasse | hiya Bashing-om - how have you been? | 19:08 |
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| Bashing-om | OH. aggravated ! Stopped up water line from the well head to the house - made a work-a-round for that , and this AM found water leaks under the house . Water has been restored . // lm-sensors -> w83627ehf driver -> chip ID ?? Getting my goat ( old docs ! ) . | 19:26 |
| ducasse | sounds like a heap of fun. i've just spent three hours helping my elderly neighbors set up a new tv. the store forgot to include the stand, so we had to go back and yell at them, but after a lot of mucking about it's up and running. | 19:30 |
| Bashing-om | ducasse: Life's little troubles, only makes the respite that much more enjoyable . Peace ! | 19:32 |
| ducasse | Bashing-om: yup. at least they're happy. i'm getting something to eat, and then i'm going to crash on the couch. ttyl! | 19:33 |
| Bashing-om | ducasse: Naps are good things :) | 19:33 |
| ducasse | Bashing-om: no nap, just a little relaxing before bedtime :) | 19:34 |
| Bashing-om | K; I do what I can to hold it together 'til you return :) | 19:36 |
| ducasse | Bashing-om: ttyl :) | 19:36 |
| Bashing-om | ducasse: Uh Huh - just can not tear your self away form the keyboard . | 19:51 |
| ducasse | Bashing-om: installed updates, but going.... now ;) | 19:54 |
| ducasse | *poof* | 19:54 |
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