[02:57] <OerHeks> 17.10 – name TBD ?? https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/06/shuttleworth_unity_8_carrots/
[03:12] <Bashing-om> ^^ In it for the long haul and foraging ahead :)
[03:13] <OerHeks> there be dragons ..
[03:17] <Bashing-om> Yeah ! there do be them there dragons . I updated 17.04 today running gnome3, the upgrade hung for minutes .. and I thought it had fallen on it's face, but when I retured from my fumming the system had picked up and was goin on :) . Mir on 17.04 does not bode well for me .
[03:29] <OerHeks> hbd .. hbe .. hbf .. ~.. hbo here be Oerheks \0/ .. that would be 23.04
[03:33] <Bashing-om> But, But - bbbuttt ,, does it run on my desktop .. and no ?? what must I then do to make it happen ! That is the only important question .
[03:36] <OerHeks> :-( not sure why you cannot run mir properly
[03:36] <daftykins> try speaking with a more Russian accent near your PC!
[03:37] <OerHeks> da
[03:37] <OerHeks> here be wodka!
[03:37] <daftykins> :>
[03:38] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: Not messed with it enough to see . The kernel is fine . just what is laid on top ( and the lack thereof - that will come in time ) .
[03:40] <OerHeks> police helicopters over my house, there must be someone on the run
[03:41] <daftykins> uh oh Drabber has been robbing banks whilst you sleep, again
[03:41] <OerHeks> He does know my pin code ...
[03:41] <daftykins> :O
[03:43] <Bashing-om> In the finest of doggie voices - Do not force me - I will use this if I have to :) Marrow bone now please .
[03:45] <OerHeks> cookie he understands, he does not like a bone to chew on :-(
[03:45] <OerHeks> which is sad, i know
[03:48] <Bashing-om> some peoples' taste ! :)
[03:49] <OerHeks> He does not like human cookies too .. which is good.
[03:49] <OerHeks> :-D
[03:49] <OerHeks> so no yellow/brown teeth .. no skin issues ..
[03:49] <OerHeks> no cheese, no meat prepared ...
[03:50] <OerHeks> But i always make sure there are enough dog-treats.
[03:50] <OerHeks> .. my moms dogs are different, they eat anything :-(
[03:51] <Bashing-om> Ever want to see a hurt expression : " chocolate is not for doggies " .
[03:52] <OerHeks> brrr .. choco can kill them
[03:52] <OerHeks> No, the vet is always happy to see me.
[03:53] <OerHeks> shiny soft hair .. without shampoo ( just brush it every 2 days)
[03:54] <Bashing-om> Ouch! reminds me I am behind in the brushing department :(
[03:55] <OerHeks> :-)
[03:55] <OerHeks> You look much nicer with shiny hair, Bashing-om
[03:56] <Bashing-om> so my other half also reminds me . ( Brush that hair !)
[06:34] <Bashing-om> Had all I can stand, can stands no more . good nite .
[07:00] <ducasse> good morning
[09:05] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:18] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[15:06] <OerHeks> la la la la hi lotus ;-D
[15:06] <ducasse> hiya lotus :)
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> hellow OerHeks & ducasse :p
[15:07] <ducasse> home from work? :)
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> and howdy BluesKaj
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: yep, finished early shift
[15:07] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje LTNS!
[15:08] <BluesKaj> Hi OerHeks :-)
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> i had discussion the other about if linux needs a clean in a while or not, what you guys think?
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> *day
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> the guy said his system run 18 years and never had to clean nothing
[15:09] <OerHeks>  Clean? like in cruft files from removed apps?
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: yeah overal system clean/optimize
[15:10] <OerHeks> indeed, never had any issue with  that.
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: but does it mean linux doesnt get junk files?
[15:11] <ducasse> i've never really done any cleanup, other than apt autoremove and cleaning up my homedir now and then.
[15:11] <OerHeks> That is right.
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> so whats the need of janitor or bleachbit then? how can it wipe 2gig or more?
[15:11] <OerHeks> only logs can do some drivespace-eating.. but logrotate takes care of that.
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> browser stuff? /tmp?
[15:12] <OerHeks> bleachit.. it can remove 2 gb, but 24 hrs later there is 1 gb back...
[15:12] <ducasse> tmp is cleaned on boot
[15:12] <lotuspsychje> right
[15:12] <ducasse> bleachbit probably cleans ~/.cache or something.
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> how about /boot ?
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> we had some users with full /boot to get solved with bleachbit
[15:14] <ducasse> it cleans out old kernels.
[15:14] <OerHeks> oh kernels .. that is an issue indeed.
[15:14] <ducasse> which _should_ happen by itself.
[15:16] <lotuspsychje_> ducasse, OerHeks once saw a user with like kernels from years far in his list
[15:17] <ducasse> i don't doubt that.
[15:18] <lotuspsychje_> perhaps for advanced users they know howto maintaint their system, everything stays smooth?
[15:18] <lotuspsychje_> but novice can scramble their systems over the years right
[15:18] <ducasse> of course, if you manually build and install tons of crap from github and don't bother making packages, there can be stuff left over that you no longer use.
[15:20] <lotuspsychje_> ducasse: so lets say, it all depends on the user habits?
[15:21] <ducasse> well, yes, but it's normally a much smaller problem than on windows with modern distros and package management.
[15:22] <OerHeks> autoremove should be an option while upgrading.
[15:22] <OerHeks> distroupgrading does this fine
[15:22] <ducasse> you mean it should prompt the user?
[15:22] <OerHeks> no prompt, just an option in update/sources menu
[15:23] <lotuspsychje_> good idea
[15:23] <ducasse> sounds good to me. seen plenty of users who suddenly have 100+ packages the system wants to remove.
[15:23] <OerHeks> "allways install latest versions and remove old unused ones"( carefull bla bla bla)
[15:23] <lotuspsychje_> lol
[15:24] <lotuspsychje_> OerHeks: but old unused kernels arent like vulnerable when not in use right?
[15:24] <OerHeks> as opt in, else true linux diehards have something to shout @ SABDFL
[15:25] <ducasse> sure, it could be an apt preference
[15:25] <OerHeks> old kernels can't be a securityrisc indeed
[15:25] <lotuspsychje_> unless you boot them
[15:26] <lotuspsychje_> i would also find it good idea to add default janitor to the system, so users left the choice to clean ot not
[15:26] <lotuspsychje_> so if you dont need, dont use, but when you scramble alot you had the choice
[15:27] <ducasse> autoremove could also run as a cron job...
[15:27] <ducasse> but a 'janitor' would have a really hard time cleaning out manually installed stuff. i can't see how that could happen.
[15:28] <lotuspsychje_> system warns to autoremive in terminal now right, perhaps the GUI warning like OerHeks says, would be good idea
[15:28] <lotuspsychje_> ducasse: yeah indeed, messing with github/ppa's will always exist
[15:29] <BluesKaj> I run autremove and autoclean periodically, like once/week or so without any ill effects
[15:29] <ducasse> ppas aren't a problem, they are managed by apt. built from source are just files.
[15:30] <ducasse> BluesKaj: manually or from cron?
[15:31] <BluesKaj> ducasse, when I think of it :-)
[15:31] <ducasse> good answer :)
[15:32] <lotuspsychje_> !info janitor
[15:32] <lotuspsychje_> !find janitor
[15:36] <BluesKaj> always make a point of deleting ppas after testing use to prevent further problems
[15:37] <OerHeks> users who do not update in terminal, are surprised by full-upgrade
[15:37] <OerHeks> that could be a real complaint
[15:37] <lotuspsychje_> OerHeks: surprised how?
[15:37] <OerHeks> newer kernel as example
[15:38] <lotuspsychje_> ah yes
[15:38] <ducasse> are they held back by the gui?
[15:38] <OerHeks> maybe there is a difference LTS <> non-LTS, not sure about that
[15:38] <lotuspsychje_> but the average users have no clue whats going on behind the process
[15:39] <lotuspsychje_> i see alot of my customers avoid updates still lol
[15:39] <lotuspsychje_> everytime i come to their house, update icon is active
[15:39] <OerHeks> oh, i press the update button, kernels are offered here...
[15:42] <ducasse> lotuspsychje_: they're probably scared of them, coming from windows :)
[15:42] <BluesKaj> I give new kernels at least a weeks delay if not longer..learned my lesson the hard way with this older HW/drivers
[15:43] <lotuspsychje_> ducasse: lol
[15:44] <OerHeks> reboot, brb
[15:45] <ducasse> bah, reboots. humbug! ;)
[15:46] <OerHeks> 1 minute including logging in ircd \0/
[15:46] <ducasse>  16:46:38 up 313 days,  9:48,  4 users,  load average: 0.62, 0.16, 0.09
[15:47] <OerHeks> 16:46:55 up 1 min,  1 user,  load average: 0,74, 0,51, 0,20
[15:48] <ducasse> that was my fileserver, though. it just chugs away unloved in a small room.
[15:49] <ducasse> lotuspsychje_: what's happening on the business side?
[15:50] <lotuspsychje_> ducasse: still working on my room mate, going slowly
[15:50] <lotuspsychje_> ducasse: but meanwhile i can make costs for my business np
[15:51] <lotuspsychje_> ducasse: ordered like 10 850 pro ssd's already in case of upgrades
[15:51] <ducasse> raid-6!
[15:52] <lotuspsychje_> lol
[15:52] <lotuspsychje_> ducasse: cant be greedy, not holding them back for myself :p
[15:53] <ducasse> i know. sad, though, to sit on so much nice hw you can't use.
[15:53] <lotuspsychje_> :p
[15:54] <ducasse> when i worked ay\t the norwegian branch of sun, we had some _nice_ hardware, and the upside was that we could play with it for testing :)
[15:54] <ducasse> *at
[15:57] <lotuspsychje_> nice
[15:57] <lotuspsychje_> ducasse: you worked for SUN?.
[15:57] <ducasse> yes, this was a long time ago :)
[15:58] <lotuspsychje_> cool mate
[15:59] <ducasse> gtg, bbl
[16:03] <horsewhip> What do people use for password management?
[16:03] <horsewhip> Anyone use anything that works across Linux, Mac & iOS?
[16:04] <DArqueBishop> horsewhip: personally I use KeePass.
[16:04] <horsewhip> DArqueBishop: On what devices?
[16:05] <DArqueBishop> KeePass in Windows, KeePassX on Linux, and MiniKeePass on iOS.
[16:06] <horsewhip> I didn't know MiniKeePass had any kind of syncing.
[16:07] <DArqueBishop> It supports Dropbox.
[16:07]  * horsewhip reads the docs
[16:07] <horsewhip> Hmmmm, not much of a fan of Dropbox.
[16:08] <horsewhip> Ahhh, you have to manually export the DB back to Dropbox.
[16:11]  * DArqueBishop nods.
[16:11] <DArqueBishop> Considering how infrequently I make changes on the mobile side, it's a non-issue doe me.
[16:11] <DArqueBishop> s/doe/for/
[16:13] <horsewhip> I'm currently checking out https://www.passwordstore.org/
[16:13] <horsewhip> ... and https://github.com/mssun/pass-ios
[18:47] <Bashing-om> OK, been a trying morning ! I am ready to have fun now :)
[19:08] <ducasse> hiya Bashing-om - how have you been?
[19:26] <Bashing-om> OH. aggravated ! Stopped up water line from the well head to the house - made a work-a-round for that , and this AM found water leaks under the house . Water has been restored . // lm-sensors -> w83627ehf driver -> chip ID ?? Getting my goat ( old docs ! ) .
[19:30] <ducasse> sounds like a heap of fun. i've just spent three hours helping my elderly neighbors set up a new tv. the store forgot to include the stand, so we had to go back and yell at them, but after a lot of mucking about it's up and running.
[19:32] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Life's little troubles, only makes the respite that much more enjoyable . Peace !
[19:33] <ducasse> Bashing-om: yup. at least they're happy. i'm getting something to eat, and then i'm going to crash on the couch. ttyl!
[19:33] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Naps are good things :)
[19:34] <ducasse> Bashing-om: no nap, just a little relaxing before bedtime :)
[19:36] <Bashing-om> K; I do what I can to hold it together 'til you return :)
[19:36] <ducasse> Bashing-om: ttyl :)
[19:51] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Uh Huh - just can not tear your self away form the keyboard .
[19:54] <ducasse> Bashing-om: installed updates, but going.... now ;)
[19:54] <ducasse> *poof*