[02:57] 17.10 – name TBD ?? https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/06/shuttleworth_unity_8_carrots/ [03:12] ^^ In it for the long haul and foraging ahead :) [03:13] there be dragons .. [03:17] Yeah ! there do be them there dragons . I updated 17.04 today running gnome3, the upgrade hung for minutes .. and I thought it had fallen on it's face, but when I retured from my fumming the system had picked up and was goin on :) . Mir on 17.04 does not bode well for me . [03:29] hbd .. hbe .. hbf .. ~.. hbo here be Oerheks \0/ .. that would be 23.04 [03:33] But, But - bbbuttt ,, does it run on my desktop .. and no ?? what must I then do to make it happen ! That is the only important question . [03:36] :-( not sure why you cannot run mir properly [03:36] try speaking with a more Russian accent near your PC! [03:37] da [03:37] here be wodka! [03:37] :> [03:38] OerHeks: Not messed with it enough to see . The kernel is fine . just what is laid on top ( and the lack thereof - that will come in time ) . [03:40] police helicopters over my house, there must be someone on the run [03:41] uh oh Drabber has been robbing banks whilst you sleep, again [03:41] He does know my pin code ... [03:41] :O [03:43] In the finest of doggie voices - Do not force me - I will use this if I have to :) Marrow bone now please . [03:45] cookie he understands, he does not like a bone to chew on :-( [03:45] which is sad, i know [03:48] some peoples' taste ! :) [03:49] He does not like human cookies too .. which is good. [03:49] :-D [03:49] so no yellow/brown teeth .. no skin issues .. [03:49] no cheese, no meat prepared ... [03:50] But i always make sure there are enough dog-treats. [03:50] .. my moms dogs are different, they eat anything :-( [03:51] Ever want to see a hurt expression : " chocolate is not for doggies " . [03:52] brrr .. choco can kill them [03:52] No, the vet is always happy to see me. [03:53] shiny soft hair .. without shampoo ( just brush it every 2 days) [03:54] Ouch! reminds me I am behind in the brushing department :( [03:55] :-) [03:55] You look much nicer with shiny hair, Bashing-om [03:56] so my other half also reminds me . ( Brush that hair !) [06:34] Had all I can stand, can stands no more . good nite . [07:00] good morning [09:05] Good morning [11:18] Hi folks [15:06] good afternoon to all [15:06] la la la la hi lotus ;-D [15:06] hiya lotus :) [15:06] hellow OerHeks & ducasse :p [15:07] home from work? :) [15:07] and howdy BluesKaj [15:07] ducasse: yep, finished early shift [15:07] hey lotuspsychje LTNS! [15:08] Hi OerHeks :-) [15:08] i had discussion the other about if linux needs a clean in a while or not, what you guys think? [15:08] *day [15:09] the guy said his system run 18 years and never had to clean nothing [15:09] Clean? like in cruft files from removed apps? [15:10] OerHeks: yeah overal system clean/optimize [15:10] indeed, never had any issue with that. [15:10] OerHeks: but does it mean linux doesnt get junk files? [15:11] i've never really done any cleanup, other than apt autoremove and cleaning up my homedir now and then. [15:11] That is right. [15:11] so whats the need of janitor or bleachbit then? how can it wipe 2gig or more? [15:11] only logs can do some drivespace-eating.. but logrotate takes care of that. [15:11] browser stuff? /tmp? [15:12] bleachit.. it can remove 2 gb, but 24 hrs later there is 1 gb back... [15:12] tmp is cleaned on boot [15:12] right [15:12] bleachbit probably cleans ~/.cache or something. [15:13] how about /boot ? [15:13] we had some users with full /boot to get solved with bleachbit [15:14] it cleans out old kernels. [15:14] oh kernels .. that is an issue indeed. [15:14] which _should_ happen by itself. [15:16] ducasse, OerHeks once saw a user with like kernels from years far in his list [15:17] i don't doubt that. [15:18] perhaps for advanced users they know howto maintaint their system, everything stays smooth? [15:18] but novice can scramble their systems over the years right [15:18] of course, if you manually build and install tons of crap from github and don't bother making packages, there can be stuff left over that you no longer use. [15:20] ducasse: so lets say, it all depends on the user habits? [15:21] well, yes, but it's normally a much smaller problem than on windows with modern distros and package management. [15:22] autoremove should be an option while upgrading. [15:22] distroupgrading does this fine [15:22] you mean it should prompt the user? [15:22] no prompt, just an option in update/sources menu [15:23] good idea [15:23] sounds good to me. seen plenty of users who suddenly have 100+ packages the system wants to remove. [15:23] "allways install latest versions and remove old unused ones"( carefull bla bla bla) [15:23] lol [15:24] OerHeks: but old unused kernels arent like vulnerable when not in use right? [15:24] as opt in, else true linux diehards have something to shout @ SABDFL [15:25] sure, it could be an apt preference [15:25] old kernels can't be a securityrisc indeed [15:25] unless you boot them [15:26] i would also find it good idea to add default janitor to the system, so users left the choice to clean ot not [15:26] so if you dont need, dont use, but when you scramble alot you had the choice [15:27] autoremove could also run as a cron job... [15:27] but a 'janitor' would have a really hard time cleaning out manually installed stuff. i can't see how that could happen. [15:28] system warns to autoremive in terminal now right, perhaps the GUI warning like OerHeks says, would be good idea [15:28] ducasse: yeah indeed, messing with github/ppa's will always exist [15:29] I run autremove and autoclean periodically, like once/week or so without any ill effects [15:29] ppas aren't a problem, they are managed by apt. built from source are just files. [15:30] BluesKaj: manually or from cron? [15:31] ducasse, when I think of it :-) [15:31] good answer :) [15:32] !info janitor [15:32] Package janitor does not exist in xenial [15:32] !find janitor [15:32] File janitor found in byobu, coccinelle-doc, elementary-icon-theme, faenza-icon-theme, font-manager, gnome-colors-common, gnome-icon-theme-gartoon-redux, humanity-icon-theme, kde-l10n-bs, kde-l10n-ca (and 36 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=janitor&mode=&suite=xenial&arch=any [15:36] always make a point of deleting ppas after testing use to prevent further problems [15:37] users who do not update in terminal, are surprised by full-upgrade [15:37] that could be a real complaint [15:37] OerHeks: surprised how? [15:37] newer kernel as example [15:38] ah yes [15:38] are they held back by the gui? [15:38] maybe there is a difference LTS <> non-LTS, not sure about that [15:38] but the average users have no clue whats going on behind the process [15:39] i see alot of my customers avoid updates still lol [15:39] everytime i come to their house, update icon is active [15:39] oh, i press the update button, kernels are offered here... [15:42] lotuspsychje_: they're probably scared of them, coming from windows :) [15:42] I give new kernels at least a weeks delay if not longer..learned my lesson the hard way with this older HW/drivers [15:43] ducasse: lol [15:44] reboot, brb [15:45] bah, reboots. humbug! ;) [15:46] 1 minute including logging in ircd \0/ [15:46] 16:46:38 up 313 days, 9:48, 4 users, load average: 0.62, 0.16, 0.09 [15:47] 16:46:55 up 1 min, 1 user, load average: 0,74, 0,51, 0,20 [15:48] that was my fileserver, though. it just chugs away unloved in a small room. [15:49] lotuspsychje_: what's happening on the business side? [15:50] ducasse: still working on my room mate, going slowly [15:50] ducasse: but meanwhile i can make costs for my business np [15:51] ducasse: ordered like 10 850 pro ssd's already in case of upgrades [15:51] raid-6! [15:52] lol [15:52] ducasse: cant be greedy, not holding them back for myself :p [15:53] i know. sad, though, to sit on so much nice hw you can't use. [15:53] :p [15:54] when i worked ay\t the norwegian branch of sun, we had some _nice_ hardware, and the upside was that we could play with it for testing :) [15:54] *at [15:57] nice [15:57] ducasse: you worked for SUN?. [15:57] yes, this was a long time ago :) [15:58] cool mate [15:59] gtg, bbl [16:03] What do people use for password management? [16:03] Anyone use anything that works across Linux, Mac & iOS? [16:04] horsewhip: personally I use KeePass. [16:04] DArqueBishop: On what devices? [16:05] KeePass in Windows, KeePassX on Linux, and MiniKeePass on iOS. [16:06] I didn't know MiniKeePass had any kind of syncing. [16:07] It supports Dropbox. [16:07] * horsewhip reads the docs [16:07] Hmmmm, not much of a fan of Dropbox. [16:08] Ahhh, you have to manually export the DB back to Dropbox. [16:11] * DArqueBishop nods. [16:11] Considering how infrequently I make changes on the mobile side, it's a non-issue doe me. [16:11] s/doe/for/ [16:13] I'm currently checking out https://www.passwordstore.org/ [16:13] ... and https://github.com/mssun/pass-ios === JanC is now known as Guest41946 === JanC_ is now known as JanC [18:47] OK, been a trying morning ! I am ready to have fun now :) [19:08] hiya Bashing-om - how have you been? === boshhead_ is now known as boshhead [19:26] OH. aggravated ! Stopped up water line from the well head to the house - made a work-a-round for that , and this AM found water leaks under the house . Water has been restored . // lm-sensors -> w83627ehf driver -> chip ID ?? Getting my goat ( old docs ! ) . [19:30] sounds like a heap of fun. i've just spent three hours helping my elderly neighbors set up a new tv. the store forgot to include the stand, so we had to go back and yell at them, but after a lot of mucking about it's up and running. [19:32] ducasse: Life's little troubles, only makes the respite that much more enjoyable . Peace ! [19:33] Bashing-om: yup. at least they're happy. i'm getting something to eat, and then i'm going to crash on the couch. ttyl! [19:33] ducasse: Naps are good things :) [19:34] Bashing-om: no nap, just a little relaxing before bedtime :) [19:36] K; I do what I can to hold it together 'til you return :) [19:36] Bashing-om: ttyl :) [19:51] ducasse: Uh Huh - just can not tear your self away form the keyboard . [19:54] Bashing-om: installed updates, but going.... now ;) [19:54] *poof*