[08:05] <RAVIKANT> HELP
[08:06] <RAVIKANT> i want help to install ubuntu on my samsung SM-G360H  MODEL
[08:07] <RAVIKANT> ITS ANDRIOD 4.4.4 FACTORY INSTALLED
[08:07] <RAVIKANT> I WANT TO REPLACE WITH UBUNTU
[08:07] <RAVIKANT> SO ANYBODY HELP ME PLEASE ?????
[08:08] <RAVIKANT> HI FEMMA
[08:08] <RAVIKANT> GOOD DAY
[08:09] <RAVIKANT> ????
[08:09] <RAVIKANT> HI FEMMA1
[08:10] <RAVIKANT> HI
[08:32] <Femma1> hi ravikant
[14:24] <dobey> UbuntuUser: i don't know. you're trying to use .local from the browser?
[18:33] <aiyion> Hey guys, I'm trying to sync my contacts between different devices. Syncevolution messes with my vcards and destroys them at random. Has anybody successfully used the official owncloud support of the OS?
[18:33] <aiyion> And has someone managed to get it running with nextcloud?
[18:35] <UbuntuUser> nah
[18:35] <dobey> it should work with nextcloud
[18:35] <UbuntuUser> I
[18:35] <UbuntuUser> I'd just use dropbox or ssh
[18:35] <UbuntuUser> thats what I did
[18:35] <UbuntuUser> installed avahi-deamon so.. it gives the phablet-touch.local domain
[18:35] <dobey> for files sure, but contacts/calendar doesn't make sense
[18:35] <UbuntuUser> add your ssh key
[18:36] <aiyion> dobey: you mean the builtin gui feature should work with nextcloud?
[18:36] <UbuntuUser> with the email client, doesn't it have syncing with email?
[18:36] <UbuntuUser> I synced some of my events from my university
[18:36] <dobey> aiyion: yes, owncloud/nextcloud are the same still in that sense
[18:36] <UbuntuUser> sync'd*
[18:36] <UbuntuUser> It*
[18:37] <aiyion> UbuntuUser: ssh works perfectly, what do you suggest to sync the vcards?
[18:37] <UbuntuUser> I've never worked with vcards tbh, what's a TLDR of that?
[18:38] <UbuntuUser> this is honestly my first like handheld tablet like computer since I had an IPod in High School
[18:38] <aiyion> UbuntuUser: the way a contact is represented as file on most systems
[18:38] <UbuntuUser> is it just a series of files?
[18:38] <aiyion> UbuntuUser: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VCard
[18:39] <UbuntuUser> tbh, I'd probably add the functionality to outlook or gmail
[18:39] <UbuntuUser> I think its already in there
[18:39] <UbuntuUser> there might be an option to allow syncing
[18:40] <dobey> yes, goold sync and owncloud sync are included on ubuntu phone, for contacts/calendar, already
[18:40] <dobey> err
[18:40] <dobey> google, not goold
[18:40] <UbuntuUser> ya aiyion , dobey said it should already be on the phone
[18:40] <UbuntuUser> idk where it is in the wiki though, do you dobey ?
[18:40] <aiyion> UbuntuUser: thx read that for myself ;)
[18:41] <aiyion> Konwo about the feature.
[18:41] <dobey> i don't think there is a wiki page about it, no
[18:41] <aiyion> It does not allow me to add my server though.
[18:41] <aiyion> It claims the Host URL would be invalid
[18:41] <dobey> aiyion: well maybe you've found a bug then. sometimes they do happen :)
[18:42] <aiyion> Is https featured?
[18:42] <dobey> it should work yes
[18:42] <aiyion> shit.
[18:42] <UbuntuUser> when I had trouble with various programs I tried it after I remounted the filesystem as read/write
[18:42] <UbuntuUser> and that fixed some of my problems
[18:43] <aiyion> Well then i suppose I need to update the os once again :/
[18:43] <UbuntuUser> I made aliases for R/W mount and ReadOnly Mount
[18:43] <aiyion> UbuntuUser: thx, but I tried that.
[18:43] <UbuntuUser> when those ^ stopped working
[18:43] <UbuntuUser> I reflashed from recovery
[18:43] <UbuntuUser> and that fixed my problems
[18:44] <aiyion> Is it possible to get the OS updates as apt-package yet?
[18:44] <aiyion> or is reflashing the only sane way?
[18:44] <UbuntuUser> updating is possible
[18:44] <UbuntuUser> problem is the updates don't also fix the issues
[18:44] <dobey> no, there will never be apt for updates on phone
[18:45] <aiyion> Are you sure UbuntuUser?
[18:45] <dobey> you should not remount as r/w
[18:45] <aiyion> dobey: yeah, I know, dangerous etc.
[18:45] <aiyion> but not as long as I do not use the system updates.
[18:45] <dobey> doing apt upgrades will break the phone
[18:45] <aiyion> no.
[18:46] <UbuntuUser> Also dobey ? in the wiki theres no mention of a tool you need to communicate with USB Debugging on ubuntu-touch over adb i.e. MTF(Media Transfer Protocol) http://tuxdiary.com/2016/02/07/android-ubuntu-communicate-adb/#more-25168
[18:46] <aiyion> can say for sure using one of them is no problem.
[18:46] <UbuntuUser> Any way to add that?
[18:46] <aiyion> using system updates after using apt is making trouble.
[18:46] <dobey> UbuntuUser: i have no idea what that page is
[18:46] <UbuntuUser> its a howto in getting ubuntu to communicate with ubuntu-touch
[18:47] <UbuntuUser> as is with the guide and packages told to be installed, you're unable on mostly every distro to communicate in Bootloader mode or in Dev Mode
[18:47] <aiyion> UbuntuUser: I successfully use ssh on my phone.
[18:47] <UbuntuUser> you need the mtpfs package to communicate in those two modes
[18:47] <UbuntuUser> in dev mode?
[18:47] <dobey> i don't know what you're referring to. you don't need mtp anything for adb
[18:48] <UbuntuUser> I have 3 different linux systems and all of those refused to communicate with the device with dev or bootloader mode
[18:48] <aiyion> UbuntuUser: mtp is neccessary for what?
[18:48] <UbuntuUser> Bootloader and Dev mode for systems that don't have mtpfs installed
[18:48] <UbuntuUser> Computers with distros I have is fedora, ubuntu, and mint
[18:48] <dobey> fastboot and adb have nothing to do with mtp
[18:49] <UbuntuUser> Bootloader Mode and Dev Mode will not work unless that package was part of the system prior to attempting communicate over USB and adb
[18:49] <aiyion> what dobey says.
[18:50] <UbuntuUser> if it didn't have anything to do with it, there wouldn't be multiple help pages by outside sources
[18:50] <aiyion> Can not confirm, that package is missing on my laptop.
[18:50] <UbuntuUser> what distro are you running?
[18:50] <aiyion> Ubuntu 16.10
[18:51] <UbuntuUser> Android on their website literally says you need that package to communicate with adb over USB
[18:51] <aiyion> But there is hardly anything i did not change
[18:51] <UbuntuUser> the wiki links right to it
[18:51] <UbuntuUser> they just don't mention the specific package
[18:51] <dobey> i definitely do not have mtpfs, whatever that is
[18:51] <aiyion> I'm afraid, me neither.
[18:52] <aiyion> but adb works as good/bad as always
[18:52] <UbuntuUser> Ubuntu Touch Install Wiki -> Reinstalling Android -> Android Wiki on reinstalling
[18:52] <dobey> mtpfs is a fuse filesystem thing; there is absolutely no need to install that package to communicate with an ubuntu phone over usb, normally
[18:53] <dobey> i mean, sure, if you want to mount the phone as a fuse filesystem, you will need it i guess (or a similar fuse mtp backend)
[18:53] <dobey> but there is absolutely no need for it normally
[18:54] <UbuntuUser> So all my operating systems on various computers have install issues?
[18:54] <dobey> i don't know what your problems were
[18:55] <UbuntuUser> as soon as you turned on developer mode or bootloader mode, the USB would literally auto disconnect
[18:55] <UbuntuUser> irregardless of the OS without that package as google mentions on their android reinstalling page
[18:56] <aiyion> That's weird. But has never happened to me. Can you reproduce that behaviour with a fresh installation?
[18:56] <dobey> i can guarantee you that i've never installed that package, and have never had a problem with flashing a device, on ubuntu
[18:57] <UbuntuUser> probably
[18:57] <aiyion> is there a place to find people that are e
[18:58] <dobey> maybe if you have an older system, mtpfs was necessary to add a udev rule or something; but that'd be probably 2.5+ years old
[18:58] <aiyion> *that are missusing their ubuntu phone like me? (by using apt)
[18:58] <dobey> everywhere, but i don't know why you'd generally want to use apt on the root fs of the phone
[18:59] <UbuntuUser> the laptop is that old
[18:59] <UbuntuUser> but, the linux kernel is up to date
[18:59] <UbuntuUser> my main watercooled machine is fairly modern
[18:59] <dobey> i'm not talking about hardware
[18:59] <UbuntuUser> my other other computer is fairly modern too
[19:00] <UbuntuUser> the Linux Kernels on all my machines are up to date
[19:00] <dobey> i'm not talking about the kernel either
[19:00] <UbuntuUser> what are you talking about then?
[19:00] <dobey> udev rules
[19:01] <UbuntuUser> huh
[19:01] <UbuntuUser> I never had much luck with udev rules
[19:02] <UbuntuUser> my speciality is in Information Security and Programming, I don't often deal with harder outside of physical components
[19:02] <UbuntuUser> hardware*
[19:03] <UbuntuUser> I deal mainly in Java, C#, and SQL
[19:03] <UbuntuUser> is it normal to have issues with ubuntu-touch across multiple distributions with udev rules?
[19:03] <dobey> no
[19:04] <dobey> not unless you were running versions of the distributions from 2012 or something. like ubuntu 12.04 wouldn't have had the udev rules for a device that was released in 2013
[19:04] <UbuntuUser> these distributions don't go back that far lol
[19:04] <dobey> but like i said, it's basically impossible for me to know why whatever wasn't working for you, wasn't working
[19:05] <UbuntuUser> I tried like 3 different cables, multiple different ports, and completely reinstalled one of the systems
[19:06] <UbuntuUser> that package eventually allowed my computers to communicate and detect with adb over USB
[19:07] <UbuntuUser> in Bootloader and Dev Mode
[19:07] <aiyion> dobey: I really like using my phone as a full fledged pc.
[19:08] <aiyion> and as ive stopped working on unity long ago, I like using the commandline even more.
[19:08] <UbuntuUser> it is nice
[19:08] <UbuntuUser> I just don't like the limited space
[19:08] <aiyion> limited space?
[19:09] <UbuntuUser> 30 GB of space
[19:09] <UbuntuUser> the fs for the system files is smaller
[19:09] <aiyion> i can not follow.
[19:09] <UbuntuUser> I put rips of all my cds on it and as part of the music program, it like puts it into a format
[19:09] <UbuntuUser> the format takes up space
[19:09] <aiyion> the fs for system files is mounted as "/" right?
[19:09] <UbuntuUser> its complicated
[19:10] <UbuntuUser> the fs is mounted as root
[19:10] <aiyion> seems like.
[19:10] <UbuntuUser> but, there are sub file systems
[19:10] <aiyion> To be clear, I know what a fs is,
[19:10] <UbuntuUser> its like split for me into like 12 different partitions
[19:10] <UbuntuUser> by default when I flash
[19:11] <UbuntuUser> I think I have like 5% left on the device
[19:11] <aiyion> the only thing that was a little limitating was the 2 gigabyte "/" partition.
[19:11] <UbuntuUser> because of like extra packages I wanted + my music
[19:11] <dobey> aiyion: then you should use a chroot or libertine container for CLI tools, rather than screwing with / partition
[19:11] <aiyion> After I enlarged the corresponding loopfile everything was fine.
[19:11] <dobey> aiyion: http://askubuntu.com/a/623311/50737
[19:12] <aiyion> dobey: good idea, I guess.
[19:12] <UbuntuUser> I installed like info-sec tools like fping, nmap, macchanger, top, and some other programs
[19:12] <UbuntuUser> I also tried installing some dependencies to get like openvpn running as a service
[19:12] <UbuntuUser> but, that didn't work so I gave up
[19:13] <UbuntuUser> debating just purging openvpn + pptp
[19:13] <UbuntuUser> there are too little options in the GUI to get it to successfully connecty
[19:13] <UbuntuUser> connect*
[19:13] <dobey> openvpn works fine, aside from the fact that it's openvpn on a phone, and openvpn is not great for phones
[19:14] <UbuntuUser> I couldn't get it to work
[19:14] <UbuntuUser> it connects but, it doesn't forward the traffic (even with iptables rules)
[19:14] <dobey> anyway, you really shouldn't muck about with / partition so much
[19:14] <UbuntuUser> why not?
[19:14] <UbuntuUser> its just an OS
[19:14] <UbuntuUser> its not like you're modifying the firmware right?
[19:15] <dobey> it is exactly like you're modifying the firmware
[19:15] <dobey> the / partition is readonly for a reason
[19:15] <UbuntuUser> huh
[19:15] <UbuntuUser> I also figured you had to flash firmware
[19:16] <UbuntuUser> on my OpenWRT router, I can't modify the firmware irregardless of my permissions
[19:17] <UbuntuUser> why is the android firmware different?
[19:17] <UbuntuUser> my professor is an android developer and she didn't have much to say about modifying the OS
[19:18] <dobey> well, whatever. remount / rw and fill up the partition so your device won't boot.
[19:18] <UbuntuUser> huh, good point
[19:34] <aiyion> I think I don't like the concept of a chroot on a phone that much.
[19:34] <aiyion> dobey: ^
[19:35] <aiyion> But that woul allow me to use usual System Updates right?
[19:36] <aiyion> *would
[19:37] <dobey> yes
[19:44] <UbuntuUser> dobey: how would you remove apps permanently like that you never intend to use?
[19:44] <UbuntuUser> like Facebook or Gmail
[19:45] <dobey> just uninstall it like any other app if you don't want to use it
[19:45] <UbuntuUser> well.. I did but, either are still listed on the tablet
[19:46] <dobey> shouldn't be. maybe you managed to somehow find another bug, though
[19:46] <UbuntuUser> ya.. like I uninstalled them but, they're still taking up space weirdly enough
[19:48] <genii> purge
[19:49] <dobey> you can't purge them
[19:49] <dobey> the default installed apps you can't remove from disk. but should only take up a few KB
[19:49] <dobey> but you can "uninstall" them and they won't appear in the apps list or such
[19:52] <UbuntuUser> huh
[20:24] <aiyion> in reply to openvpn, i can recommend tinc.
[20:24] <aiyion> works fine, but needs commandline as well.