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| wxl | !testers | 00:16 |
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| ubottu | Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se, mamarley, alket, SourBlues, sgclark, neo31, vip, mparillo, wxl, DarinMiller, tsimonq2 for information | 00:16 |
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| wxl | ^ we're rebuilding beta 1 to get the new frameworks and plasma in there. it could use all the testing we can get | 00:17 |
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| wxl | tsimonq2: make sure to update kubuntu-devel plz | 00:17 |
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| tsimonq2 | wxl: kthx | 00:18 |
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| mparillo | wxl: Thanks for the re-building heads up. | 00:51 |
| mparillo | 32-bit live worked fine with the previously reported problem that I needed to enter my WEP password twice | 00:52 |
| mparillo | 32-bit auto-resize also worked fine, but the Install Icon in the Desktop container was marked executable, but a dialog box popped up asking what I wanted to do with it. | 00:53 |
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| IrcsomeBot | <CliffordTheBigRedDoggie> !info tellico | 01:13 |
| IrcsomeBot | <CliffordTheBigRedDoggie> I guess bots don't work on telegram :/ | 01:13 |
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| krytarik | !info tellico | 01:34 |
| ubottu | tellico (source: tellico): Collection manager for books, videos, music, etc. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.3.9+dfsg.1-1.1 (zesty), package size 1057 kB, installed size 4167 kB | 01:34 |
| -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Zesty Beta 1] has been updated (20170222) | 02:18 | |
| -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop i386 [Zesty Beta 1] has been updated (20170222) | 02:18 | |
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| === absynthesyne is now known as nauticalnexus | ||
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| -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed! | 03:17 | |
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| ahoneybun | https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.8.6.php | 03:40 |
| ahoneybun | 5.8.6 out@ | 03:40 |
| ahoneybun | !info plasma-desktop | 03:49 |
| ubottu | plasma-desktop (source: plasma-desktop): Tools and widgets for the desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:5.9.2-0ubuntu1 (zesty), package size 1767 kB, installed size 8922 kB | 03:49 |
| ahoneybun | so we have 5.9.2 in zesty | 03:49 |
| ahoneybun | should update this then: https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Live_Images | 03:50 |
| === santa is now known as Guest76026 | ||
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| lordievader | Good morning | 08:56 |
| acheronuk | wxl: I have the latest iso now. shall do a couple of test cases later | 11:07 |
| === Guest76026 is now known as santa_ | ||
| BluesKaj | Hi folks | 12:25 |
| acheronuk | clivejo: damn. did not occur to me that calligra on s390x would produce weirdly version depends on GCC :/ | 12:30 |
| acheronuk | I just checked the deps on a few other archs | 12:30 |
| santa_ | good morning everyone | 12:30 |
| acheronuk | good <insert am/pm/evening here> santa_ :) | 12:31 |
| santa_ | it's PM here but I didn't eat yet, so it's "morning" :) | 12:32 |
| santa_ | http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/buildstatus_ubuntu-exp2/ubuntu-exp2_status_applications.html | 12:32 |
| santa_ | ↑ we have several autopkgtests failures | 12:33 |
| acheronuk | randomly picking one.... | 12:35 |
| acheronuk | acc FAIL non-zero exit status 6 | 12:35 |
| acheronuk | which is that known issue with GCC and the headers | 12:35 |
| acheronuk | presumably anyway from that exit status | 12:36 |
| acheronuk | santa_: does your setup collate failure reasons anywhere in any form? or just a manual pick through? | 12:37 |
| santa_ | not sure what you mean | 12:39 |
| santa_ | but anyway, let me explain | 12:39 |
| acheronuk | is there a summary page say, with just test failure reasons on each package? | 12:39 |
| santa_ | ah, well no | 12:40 |
| santa_ | that page is automatically generated with a fork of ppa-build-status | 12:40 |
| santa_ | but it was modified to support the autopkgtests | 12:41 |
| santa_ | so when you click on show/hide you would see the part of the autopkgtests | 12:41 |
| acheronuk | ooh. the show/hide expands the results, so that is partly doin that anyway. | 12:41 |
| BluesKaj | Zesty beta1 desktop is unusable since it appears below the bottom panel. but beta 1 isn't at fault the previous alpha version was showing the same symptoms on my p[c | 12:41 |
| acheronuk | yep. just found it | 12:41 |
| santa_ | + it would be marked on red if it has failing autopkgtests failures | 12:42 |
| santa_ | by the way, the code to generate the staus webpages is very awful | 12:43 |
| santa_ | I would like to rework it in the iron hand and use a templating system such as jinja | 12:43 |
| santa_ | and of course have a separate class to parse build logs | 12:44 |
| santa_ | so that way it would be easier to maintain and debug | 12:44 |
| acheronuk | well, as long as it's not in ruby :P | 12:46 |
| santa_ | acheronuk: hmm, indeed we had to tweak the gcc flags for the acc tests. we did it for fw and plasma, but not yet for apps | 12:53 |
| BluesKaj | don't think there's much point testing zesty any longer, obviously there's something seriously wrong with the graphics and I'm kinda fedup with it all | 12:56 |
| BluesKaj | BBL | 12:57 |
| acheronuk | hmmm... BluesKaj seems to always find 'issues' I can't. not sure if that is his hardware, or something else, but no graphics trouble here (Nvidia) | 13:04 |
| clivejo | but the annoying thing is he won't provide any feedback as to what the problem might be | 13:13 |
| clivejo | so impossible to help him, when he won't even help himself | 13:14 |
| clivejo | did anyone catch up with Darin last night? | 13:24 |
| acheronuk | clivejo: he was about late afternoon, but not evening that I saw. I was not staying up late though after staging until 2:30am previous night | 13:26 |
| clivejo | maybe we should just push ahead | 13:27 |
| clivejo | Im sure another example of symbols will come up soon enough | 13:28 |
| clivejo | if PIM is going to drop in 17.04, we need to get them in pronto | 13:29 |
| acheronuk | well, it's the other symbols issues which may take some time. but fair point | 13:37 |
| santa_ | I didn't see him yesterday | 13:46 |
| santa_ | clivejo, acheronuk: fyi fixing the acc tests inlining issue now, I will re-schedule the autopkgtesting @ tritemio | 13:47 |
| acheronuk | santa_: ack | 13:47 |
| clivejo | santa_: nice one, thanks | 14:04 |
| santa_ | yw | 14:08 |
| santa_ | wrt autopkgtests I have added some initial info here https://phabricator.kde.org/w/kubuntu/autopkgtests/autopkgtests_in_kubuntu/ | 14:09 |
| santa_ | in the testsuite section we could add some general tricks to fix the thing | 14:09 |
| santa_ | i.e. "you may need to run the tests with xvfb-run", "you may need to pass this arguments to xvfb-run", ... etc. | 14:10 |
| -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kpimtextedit build #108: STILL UNSTABLE in 30 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kpimtextedit/108/ | 14:23 | |
| === DalekSec_ is now known as DalekSec | ||
| clivejo | hi DarinMiller | 14:45 |
| DarinMiller | hi clivejo | 14:46 |
| clivejo | acheronuk: have you an easy way of spliting PIM out of apps? | 14:47 |
| clivejo | like we did before? | 14:47 |
| DarinMiller | Am I too late for the symbols fix? | 14:49 |
| santa_ | DarinMiller: nope | 14:55 |
| santa_ | DarinMiller: so whenever you are around and have time just ping me so I can explain you what's the deal with symbols files | 14:56 |
| DarinMiller | Excellent! I have about 4+ hours so before I must work on other stuff. My time to today is flexibile so whenever it works for you. | 14:57 |
| santa_ | DarinMiller: in ~ 15 minutes then? | 14:57 |
| DarinMiller | perfect | 14:57 |
| santa_ | so I can gather some intel :) | 14:57 |
| -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_marble build #119: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_marble/119/ | 14:59 | |
| -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed! | 14:59 | |
| -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_akonadi-search build #86: FIXED in 36 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_akonadi-search/86/ | 14:59 | |
| * clivejo shakes head | 15:12 | |
| clivejo | I think we are in for a drowning | 15:12 |
| * DarinMiller throws clivejo a float ring http://imgur.com/a/mVZjt | 15:18 | |
| DarinMiller | Storm headed your way? | 15:19 |
| clivejo | think so | 15:19 |
| clivejo | the frogs are on the move | 15:22 |
| DarinMiller | brb | 15:27 |
| santa_ | ok, I'm back with some intel: https://phabricator.kde.org/w/kubuntu/packaging/symbols-files/ | 15:31 |
| santa_ | DarinMiller: whenever you are on the keyboard again just ping me, so I can guide you with the thing | 15:32 |
| DarinMiller | I am back | 15:38 |
| * DarinMiller is reaading the phab links posted by santa_ | 15:41 | |
| santa_ | DarinMiller: yes, before doing that, because there's a myriad of things to read there I would like to give you a summary | 15:42 |
| DarinMiller | ok, sure | 15:42 |
| santa_ | first of all, are you familiar with C or C++ programming? | 15:42 |
| DarinMiller | not really. I have written a C "hello world" but that's about it. | 15:43 |
| DarinMiller | I am familar with Java (but sitll fairly new) | 15:43 |
| santa_ | ok, that would be - hopefully - enough for now | 15:44 |
| santa_ | so let's start with the basic ideas | 15:44 |
| santa_ | you probably know what's the API of a library, correct? | 15:44 |
| DarinMiller | Yes, I have read the debian definition of api and abi, so I have a general idea.... | 15:45 |
| santa_ | allright so you also know about the ABI, that's great | 15:46 |
| santa_ | do you know what's an ABI breakage? | 15:46 |
| DarinMiller | vaguely. | 15:46 |
| santa_ | but probably have a clear idea of what's breaking the API of a library | 15:47 |
| DarinMiller | Yes, I think so. | 15:48 |
| santa_ | ok, well breaking the ABI is something similar, but at the binary level | 15:48 |
| DarinMiller | API breakage is when the developer changes the way methods interact with a class? | 15:49 |
| santa_ | for instance | 15:49 |
| santa_ | yes | 15:49 |
| santa_ | when a symbol is removed from the ABI, that's an ABI break. that simple | 15:49 |
| DarinMiller | Oh, ok | 15:50 |
| santa_ | and you can do that, for instance, changing the number or type of parameters of a public function | 15:50 |
| santa_ | an API breakage in a C++ library would also produce an ABI breakage | 15:51 |
| santa_ | however, you can keep API compatibility and break the ABI | 15:52 |
| * DarinMiller assumea that symbols are not auto generated when packages built, and thus the issue... | 15:52 | |
| santa_ | nope | 15:52 |
| DarinMiller | assumes^ | 15:52 |
| santa_ | if you have a function that accepts an 'int' as a parameter and then you change it for a 'long' you keep the API but you break the ABI | 15:53 |
| santa_ | so the symbols files are, indeed, maintained by us | 15:53 |
| DarinMiller | oh, oh, oh that makes sense | 15:54 |
| santa_ | I presume you are not familiar yet with the symbols files, hence why we are having this conversation | 15:54 |
| DarinMiller | correct | 15:55 |
| * acheronuk lurks | 15:55 | |
| santa_ | ok, so the questions are: ¿what are the symbols files? and ¿what's the point of having them? | 15:55 |
| santa_ | the answer for the first one is, in short: they are files listing all the binary symbols exported by a library | 15:56 |
| DarinMiller | From what I understand, they are an intermeidate build of "stuff" that is needed to build a package. | 15:57 |
| santa_ | what you mean by intermediate? | 15:57 |
| DarinMiller | I assume they require extra time to generate and thus the reason they are not regenerated with every build (guessing here). | 15:58 |
| santa_ | it's a bit more complicated | 15:58 |
| santa_ | the answer to ¿what's the point of having them? will reply to that | 15:59 |
| santa_ | the primary purpose of having symbols files is creating versioned dependencies automatically | 16:00 |
| santa_ | and there's a secondary purpose and it's checking that the ABI wasn't broken since the previous version of the library | 16:00 |
| santa_ | so now, let me go a bit deeper with these 2 things | 16:01 |
| DarinMiller | so we know when thing are broken, but auto fixing is difficult? | 16:01 |
| santa_ | auto fixing shouldn't be done, because we need to check when the ABI breaks | 16:02 |
| santa_ | and if so, do something about it | 16:02 |
| santa_ | that something could be | 16:02 |
| santa_ | a) patching the thing to restore the ABI | 16:02 |
| santa_ | or | 16:02 |
| santa_ | b) using the debian abi manager to handle the situation | 16:03 |
| santa_ | that's explained in the last 2 sections of this: https://phabricator.kde.org/w/kubuntu/packaging/symbols-files/ | 16:03 |
| santa_ | going back to the primary purpose of the symbols files, as you can see if you open any symbols files each symbol has a version | 16:05 |
| santa_ | that version is the package version where the symbol appeared in the library | 16:05 |
| santa_ | so when you build a package against that library, it would have a dependency on the corresponding library version | 16:06 |
| * DarinMiller is reviewing dophins symbol list... | 16:06 | |
| santa_ | that is done at build time by dh_shlibdeps if I recall correctly | 16:06 |
| santa_ | dh_shlibdeps expands the ${shlibs:Depends} | 16:08 |
| santa_ | so since you are seeing that symbol file.... | 16:08 |
| santa_ | DarinMiller: pick the first symbol and try this: | 16:09 |
| DarinMiller | makes sense | 16:09 |
| santa_ | $ c++filt _ZN21KVersionControlPlugin11infoMessageERK7QString | 16:09 |
| santa_ | KVersionControlPlugin::infoMessage(QString const&) | 16:09 |
| santa_ | c++filt translates the thing into C++ | 16:10 |
| santa_ | so now, let's say we have a program linking against that library | 16:10 |
| DarinMiller | Output: KVersionControlPlugin::infoMessage(QString const&) | 16:10 |
| santa_ | as expected | 16:11 |
| santa_ | so if we have a program using that function, its package would have a dependency against libdolphinvcs5 (>= 4:15.07.90) | 16:13 |
| santa_ | DarinMiller: now supose that that function is gone, what would happen? | 16:14 |
| DarinMiller | I suspect the builder process would be quite angry. | 16:14 |
| santa_ | the first thing would be that the dolphin source package would fail to build | 16:15 |
| santa_ | that in the first place | 16:16 |
| santa_ | like this other package: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/307290750/buildlog_ubuntu-zesty-amd64.akonadi-calendar_4%3A16.12.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu17.04~ppa1_BUILDING.txt.gz | 16:17 |
| * DarinMiller sees dpkg-gensymbols: warning: some new symbols appeared in the symbols file: see diff output below | 16:18 | |
| santa_ | and you can also see a diff | 16:18 |
| santa_ | and the word MISSING | 16:19 |
| santa_ | as an exercise, can you tell me which C++ function is gone in that library? | 16:19 |
| DarinMiller | see it | 16:19 |
| DarinMiller | MISSING: 4:16.12.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu17.04~ppa1# _ZNK7Akonadi12CalendarBase15childIncidencesERKx@Base 15.07.90 | 16:20 |
| DarinMiller | + 4 others | 16:20 |
| santa_ | I'm seeing just one | 16:20 |
| santa_ | the other stuff is the diff context | 16:20 |
| santa_ | so to sum up that diff | 16:21 |
| DarinMiller | oh, + _ZNK7Akonadi12CalendarBase15childIncidencesEx@Base 4:16.12.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu17.04~ppa1 | 16:21 |
| santa_ | +#MISSING: 4:16.12.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu17.04~ppa1# _ZNK7Akonadi12CalendarBase15childIncidencesERKx@Base 15.07.90 | 16:21 |
| santa_ | ↑ this one is gone | 16:21 |
| clivejo | he wants you to lookup the C function | 16:21 |
| santa_ | + _ZNK7Akonadi12CalendarBase15childIncidencesEx@Base 4:16.12.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu17.04~ppa1 | 16:22 |
| santa_ | ↑ this one is new | 16:22 |
| santa_ | DarinMiller: so, like clive says, which c++ functions are those? | 16:22 |
| DarinMiller | Akonadi::CalendarBase::childIncidences(long long const&) const | 16:25 |
| clivejo | so thats the old function, whats the new one? | 16:26 |
| DarinMiller | Akonadi::CalendarBase::childIncidences(long long) const | 16:28 |
| DarinMiller | no cont in the new one | 16:28 |
| clivejo | do you see whats changed there? | 16:29 |
| DarinMiller | const& | 16:29 |
| santa_ | yep | 16:29 |
| santa_ | so that's probably an ABI break | 16:29 |
| santa_ | I will try to explain later why I say 'probably' | 16:29 |
| santa_ | so going back to what I was explaining later | 16:30 |
| DarinMiller | possible "optional" param? | 16:30 |
| DarinMiller | ok | 16:31 |
| santa_ | we will see that | 16:31 |
| santa_ | * so going back to what I was explaining earlier | 16:31 |
| santa_ | what happens now? | 16:31 |
| santa_ | 1. the package is failing to build | 16:31 |
| santa_ | 2. if you update the symbols file and you remove that symbol from the file the package will build BUT | 16:32 |
| santa_ | BUT | 16:32 |
| clivejo | santa_: sorry to interupt but would there not be a third or c) option to check for a so bump? | 16:33 |
| DarinMiller | so remove _ZNK7Akonadi12CalendarBase15childIncidencesERKx and replace with _ZNK7Akonadi12CalendarBase15childIncidencesEx? | 16:33 |
| santa_ | clivejo: if there's an soname bump we would have to do more than that to get the package building again | 16:33 |
| santa_ | clivejo: because the file naming would be different so it would fail @ dh_install | 16:34 |
| santa_ | clivejo: so we would have to rename the package, update install files and finally create a new symbols file (or update the existing one, both approaches are fine) | 16:35 |
| santa_ | DarinMiller: nope. that's exactly what I wanted to explain | 16:36 |
| santa_ | if you do that the package will build | 16:36 |
| santa_ | BUT | 16:36 |
| santa_ | any existing binary using it would crash, probably | 16:36 |
| DarinMiller | oh, Ok. | 16:37 |
| santa_ | you would need to rebuild them to fix that | 16:37 |
| santa_ | DarinMiller: so, the correct solution for this case is | 16:37 |
| santa_ | 1. check if this is an ABI break | 16:37 |
| santa_ | 2. if so, use the debian ABI manager | 16:38 |
| santa_ | about the 1. you have to check the previous package | 16:39 |
| santa_ | locate the funxtion in question | 16:39 |
| santa_ | * function | 16:39 |
| santa_ | you can do this with the excellent 'ack' program | 16:39 |
| santa_ | then you have to confirm that it's indeed a public function | 16:40 |
| santa_ | and if so, check if the header where it is | 16:40 |
| santa_ | and check if that header is installed | 16:40 |
| wxl | thx acheronuk :) | 16:41 |
| santa_ | beucase if the header is not installed, that would make the function effectively private | 16:41 |
| santa_ | * because | 16:41 |
| santa_ | I already did all of this and I think I can confirm it's an ABI break | 16:42 |
| clivejo | can you show how to use ack? | 16:42 |
| DarinMiller | pardon my greeness: where do I find the ack program? | 16:42 |
| santa_ | of course, 1 sec | 16:42 |
| DarinMiller | I looked in ka and in repos.. | 16:42 |
| DarinMiller | all I see is ack-grep | 16:42 |
| santa_ | yep, pkgname is ack-grep | 16:43 |
| clivejo | !info ack | 16:43 |
| DarinMiller | installing now.. | 16:43 |
| ubottu | ack (source: ack): grep-like program specifically for large source trees. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.14-5 (zesty), package size 58 kB, installed size 196 kB | 16:43 |
| wxl | what does that do that grep doesn't? | 16:44 |
| santa_ | the program name is either 'ack-grep' (alias) or 'ack' for yakkety | 16:44 |
| santa_ | I think in zesty they dropped the alias | 16:44 |
| santa_ | so I'm executing it as 'ack' | 16:44 |
| santa_ | wxl: shows context and you don't have to feed in it the list of files to search | 16:44 |
| wxl | well grep can show context | 16:45 |
| santa_ | hmm not sure about the context let me check | 16:45 |
| clivejo | santa_: so you would grab the source package from the archive and use ack on that? | 16:45 |
| BluesKaj | ok running plasma 5.9.2 Zesty beta1, all seems well so far, after doing a complete clean install | 16:46 |
| santa_ | clivejo: yep | 16:46 |
| wxl | BluesKaj: did you mark the test case successfully completed? | 16:46 |
| santa_ | you just have to type ack 'string', and that's it | 16:46 |
| BluesKaj | couldn't save my messed up config files | 16:47 |
| clivejo | do you have a script to do that? | 16:47 |
| clivejo | or just do it manually? | 16:47 |
| BluesKaj | in the previous try ...my /home die was the culprit | 16:47 |
| BluesKaj | dir | 16:47 |
| santa_ | I usually do it manually, but we could add something in ka | 16:47 |
| BluesKaj | wxi where to do that? | 16:48 |
| santa_ | clivejo: but more often, I just browse my ~/kde-ftp dir | 16:48 |
| santa_ | because I would have the upstream tarballs there already | 16:48 |
| santa_ | so I just have to check what's the latest version with LP | 16:49 |
| clivejo | just trying to allow Darin to follow this himself | 16:49 |
| santa_ | k | 16:49 |
| clivejo | so do a "apt-get source akonadi-calendar" to grab the source? | 16:49 |
| santa_ | sure, you can do that if you are on zesty | 16:50 |
| * DarinMiller darin is trying to follow, wonder why apt-get source and not uscan.... | 16:50 | |
| clivejo | I think he is | 16:50 |
| santa_ | DarinMiller: uscan would download the latest stable version | 16:51 |
| santa_ | which would be 16.12 | 16:51 |
| santa_ | we have to check the 16.04.x | 16:51 |
| DarinMiller | current box is zesty, so apt-get'ing now.... | 16:51 |
| clivejo | !info akonadi-calendar | 16:52 |
| ubottu | Package akonadi-calendar does not exist in zesty | 16:52 |
| DarinMiller | ditto | 16:52 |
| wxl | BluesKaj: on the iso tracker. that's where all the testing is recorded | 16:53 |
| wxl | BluesKaj: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/373/builds | 16:53 |
| clivejo | its a lib | 16:53 |
| clivejo | !info libkf5akonadicalendar-dev | 16:53 |
| ubottu | libkf5akonadicalendar-dev (source: akonadi-calendar): akonadi-calendar - development files. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:16.04.3-0ubuntu1 (zesty), package size 23 kB, installed size 164 kB | 16:53 |
| clivejo | built from the akonadi-calendar source package | 16:53 |
| santa_ | I guess the bot doesn't work with source package names | 16:54 |
| clivejo | nope, wish it would though! | 16:54 |
| santa_ | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/akonadi-calendar | 16:54 |
| wxl | ok i see why ack is better | 16:55 |
| DarinMiller | apt-get source libkf5akonadicalendar-dev produces: | 16:55 |
| DarinMiller | Picking 'akonadi-calendar' as source package instead of 'libkf5akonadicalendar-dev' | 16:55 |
| DarinMiller | E: Unable to find a source package for akonadi-calendar | 16:55 |
| clivejo | DarinMiller: apt-get source akonadi-calendar should work | 16:55 |
| santa_ | DarinMiller: do you have the deb-src lines enabled in your sources? | 16:56 |
| DarinMiller | uh, just sec.... | 16:56 |
| DarinMiller | just thought of that :) | 16:56 |
| * DarinMiller is waiting for the entire internet to download.... | 16:58 | |
| DarinMiller | that's better, source dl'd | 16:58 |
| wxl | BluesKaj: you grok all that or you have questions? | 16:58 |
| * DarinMiller thinks he needs to enable staging to pull down 16.12.2 as 16.04 was dl'd | 17:00 | |
| acheronuk | git clone kde:akonadi-calendar; cd akonadi-calendar; git checkout v16.04.3 | 17:00 |
| wxl | s/;/&&/ | 17:00 |
| acheronuk | ^^ would get KDE repo's src | 17:00 |
| clivejo | 16.04.3 is the version in zesty currently | 17:00 |
| santa_ | or alternatively dget https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/akonadi-calendar_16.04.3-0ubuntu1.dsc | 17:00 |
| santa_ | you can do it any way you prefer | 17:01 |
| wxl | ^^ i prefer that since the subsequent commands only execute if the previous command succeeds | 17:01 |
| acheronuk | wxl: point taken | 17:01 |
| santa_ | that's up to you | 17:01 |
| * acheronuk goes back to lurking and playing with 'ack' | 17:02 | |
| * DarinMiller nm, realizes v16.04 is what failed... | 17:03 | |
| BluesKaj | wxi , mucking about ubuntu one is a pita :/ | 17:03 |
| wxl | BluesKaj: yeah well once you have it set up you're pretty much good to go :) | 17:04 |
| santa_ | https://paste.kde.org/pmtqtldug | 17:04 |
| santa_ | ↑ if you do that yourself you would see a nice colored output probably | 17:05 |
| wxl | and you can limit by type too, which is nice | 17:05 |
| DarinMiller | yes, that is slick | 17:05 |
| clivejo | have upstream been informed of this break? | 17:06 |
| santa_ | clivejo: nope | 17:06 |
| santa_ | I think with these apps libs we could just go ahead with the abi manager | 17:06 |
| santa_ | if it were from frameworks, that would be a different story | 17:07 |
| clivejo | santa_: is there any way to find what calls that publicially? | 17:07 |
| DarinMiller | mine ack looks different: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24047516/ | 17:07 |
| clivejo | you have the full source, including debain packaging | 17:08 |
| wxl | DarinMiller: probably because santa_ has an .ackrc | 17:09 |
| clivejo | so its picking up the symbols | 17:09 |
| wxl | or that :) | 17:09 |
| santa_ | nah, I did with the source package | 17:09 |
| wxl | .ackrc then? | 17:09 |
| santa_ | but I think they are the same contents, in different order | 17:09 |
| santa_ | wxl: I'm on yakkety he is on zesty, so probably the file order is kind of random and different for each one | 17:10 |
| wxl | ah possibly | 17:10 |
| wxl | or there's different default options | 17:10 |
| santa_ | yeah, maybe | 17:10 |
| wxl | there is --sort-files | 17:11 |
| santa_ | anyway, the whole point of this is | 17:11 |
| santa_ | src/calendarbase.h | 17:11 |
| santa_ | 101: KCalCore::Incidence::List childIncidences(const QString &parentUid) const; | 17:11 |
| santa_ | 108: KCalCore::Incidence::List childIncidences(const Akonadi::Item::Id &parentId) const; | 17:11 |
| acheronuk | Akonadi::CalendarBase::childIncidences(long long const&) const | 17:12 |
| santa_ | so it's in calendarbase.h, which is also the obvious file name | 17:12 |
| acheronuk | for comparison | 17:13 |
| santa_ | acheronuk: that must be in the new 16.12 package | 17:14 |
| santa_ | or are you @ 16.04 source? | 17:14 |
| * DarinMiller did not know .h vs .cpp differences until he read: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/875479/what-is-the-difference-between-a-cpp-file-and-a-h-file | 17:15 | |
| wxl | DarinMiller: if you had started at them long enough you would have figured it out :) | 17:15 |
| santa_ | so, now to find out if the *.h file is installed a possible way is doing this @ zesty: | 17:16 |
| santa_ | $ apt-file show libkf5akonadicalendar-dev | grep calendarbase.h | 17:16 |
| santa_ | libkf5akonadicalendar-dev: /usr/include/KF5/akonadi/calendar/calendarbase.h | 17:16 |
| santa_ | ↑ to get that working you must install apt-file | 17:17 |
| santa_ | + doing apt-file update once installed | 17:17 |
| santa_ | alternatively you can check the build logs on launchpad; there's a file listing for each binary package | 17:18 |
| acheronuk | santa_: 'for comparison' with the 16.12.2 buildlog. sorry to confuse | 17:18 |
| DarinMiller | apt-file installed (must of been part of some dev package set) | 17:18 |
| santa_ | acheronuk: ah, ok :) | 17:18 |
| santa_ | so now we can confirm this is indeed an ABI break | 17:19 |
| santa_ | clivejo, acheronuk: so let's just use the debian abi manager, any objections? | 17:19 |
| acheronuk | fine here. I have notes from when we did it on prison ages ago, but a new iteration is great | 17:20 |
| santa_ | "offtopic": while we speak I'm seeing here in the other monitor some akonadi unit tests hanging like hell :( | 17:22 |
| wxl | acheronuk: you were incarcerated? :) | 17:24 |
| acheronuk | santa_: BTW kwallet in FW builds with the new gpgme. just a different -dev name to add to the deps. I saw you tried it yesterday | 17:24 |
| acheronuk | just a few extra symbols when I tried in my ppa | 17:24 |
| santa_ | yes, in the official ppa too | 17:25 |
| santa_ | I ddin''t push the changes yet, btw | 17:25 |
| acheronuk | wxl: yes. here. on this channel. I've not escaped yet! :P | 17:26 |
| acheronuk | santa_: ah. right. I got emails about the build failure, but not the success as those don't happen. | 17:26 |
| wxl | acheronuk: just like clivejo and he even formally stated he was leaving ;) | 17:26 |
| acheronuk | wxl: clive who? | 17:27 |
| wxl | XD | 17:27 |
| * acheronuk looks around. | 17:27 | |
| santa_ | it's difficult to leave | 17:27 |
| acheronuk | ** ghosties ** | 17:27 |
| santa_ | regarding the usage of the abi manager https://phabricator.kde.org/w/kubuntu/packaging/symbols-files/ there's a couple of notes here | 17:27 |
| santa_ | DarinMiller: so, reading the last 2 sections of the wiki page, do you think you would be able to produce a patch for akonadi-calendar? | 17:28 |
| acheronuk | I found that manual only makes sense once you've used it. sort of the wrong way around, but there you go | 17:29 |
| DarinMiller | I will give it a shot... | 17:29 |
| santa_ | k, just try to follow that README and if you can't just give us a shout so we can help you | 17:30 |
| DarinMiller | will do | 17:30 |
| santa_ | hint: you will have to use that X-CMake-Target thing | 17:31 |
| santa_ | unfortunately the autodetection for that is kind of broken since frameworks | 17:31 |
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| santa_ | acheronuk: wrt kwallet-kf5/gpgme this is what I have here https://paste.kde.org/pcaln0ces | 17:48 |
| santa_ | the new symbols seem to be just leaks | 17:48 |
| santa_ | thefore I think we won't need to rebuild anything against a new kwallet package with gpgme enabled again | 17:49 |
| santa_ | * therefore | 17:49 |
| acheronuk | santa_: libgpgme11-dev is not in v1.8 ? | 17:50 |
| acheronuk | santa_: so is your build grabbing one -dev file from v1.7 in release and another from v1.8 in proposed or the ppa? | 17:51 |
| * acheronuk goes to look | 17:52 | |
| acheronuk | santa_: forget that | 17:56 |
| acheronuk | I forgot that they added.... | 17:56 |
| acheronuk | Provides: | 17:56 |
| acheronuk | libgpgme11-dev (= ${binary:Version}) | 17:56 |
| acheronuk | to libgpgme11 | 17:56 |
| acheronuk | so either will do, and still get the new version | 17:57 |
| acheronuk | santa_: so yes, that is likely what I would get if I ran symbolshelper | 17:57 |
| santa_ | acheronuk: ack, I think I should change the bd fo libgpgme-dev, so doing that and uploading to the ppa to test the changes... | 18:10 |
| acheronuk | santa_: that is what I added on my build, yes | 18:11 |
| santa_ | acheronuk: changes pushed to git. I have just seen in the status page that we have a couple of packages in orange because of qttexttospeech; maybe we should add the build depend (now that we have qttexttospeech) and upload fixed versions of these 2 to the archive? | 18:56 |
| santa_ | these 2 = knotifications, ktextwidgets | 18:57 |
| wxl | man that freaking blank screen bug ugh | 18:58 |
| acheronuk | santa_: does adding qttexttospeech add new features? | 18:59 |
| acheronuk | add/enable etc | 18:59 |
| santa_ | acheronuk: according to cmake it should. concerned if that goes against the freeze? | 18:59 |
| acheronuk | santa_: yep. | 19:00 |
| santa_ | acheronuk: maybe we should ask in -release/ file an ffe? | 19:01 |
| acheronuk | santa_: well, we can try adding it in staging 1st. see what it does, and what exactly it enables. that qttexttospeech build is a Qt 5.8 one from experimental I think, so I'm not even sure it won't just crash and burn | 19:02 |
| santa_ | acheronuk: oh, ok. I wasn't aware of that I will leave that for later since we have more important things to do. I tought it would be a no-brainer | 19:06 |
| acheronuk | maybe test in KCI builds instead then? I haven't noticed anything lacking/broken not having it, so my conservative instinct says it's something to look at enabling when it's more mature and we are using the rest of the Qt 5.8 stack | 19:09 |
| santa_ | probably | 19:10 |
| santa_ | feel free to go ahead with that | 19:10 |
| * santa_ looks @ the other pim fatbfs'ing libs instead.... | 19:10 | |
| acheronuk | clivejo: that GCC build??? "Started 1 day, 2 hours, 42 minutes, 20.4 seconds ago." | 19:15 |
| * clivejo wonders what it is doing | 19:17 | |
| acheronuk | wxl: is testing OEM install ok from the grub menu? on Vbox I cant trigger it in the way the test case asks | 19:17 |
| acheronuk | clivejo: very very very very very SLOWLY FTBFS I would imagine | 19:18 |
| acheronuk | bit like a car crash i shown in slow motion...... | 19:18 |
| wxl | acheronuk: let me guess: the F4 key doesn't respond | 19:27 |
| acheronuk | wxl: yes, does nothing in ubiquity as booted normally | 19:28 |
| wxl | you mean you can't get to the grub menu? the testcase is lacking the instruction to hold down shift at boot | 19:29 |
| -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed! | 19:31 | |
| -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kwallet build #220: FIXED in 40 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kwallet/220/ | 19:31 | |
| -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed! | 19:31 | |
| -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kwallet build #97: FIXED in 41 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kwallet/97/ | 19:31 | |
| -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed! | 19:31 | |
| -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kwallet build #396: FIXED in 41 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kwallet/396/ | 19:31 | |
| acheronuk | wxl: hah. the test case is unclear in so many ways. so yes/no | 19:32 |
| acheronuk | I'll try again in a min in the way I guess they mean | 19:33 |
| wxl | acheronuk: and it's a general test case, too >:( | 19:33 |
| wxl | DarinMiller was supposed to make us a kubuntu specific one..\ | 19:33 |
| acheronuk | wxl: OEM is a fail for me in VBox. just goes to a black screen at the finish. even after a forced reboot | 19:44 |
| wxl | acheronuk: that was my experience, too, but others have tested on real hardware with no probs | 19:45 |
| acheronuk | wxl: wnat me to add it as a fail and comment then? or just leave it for someone with real hardware they can test on? | 19:46 |
| wxl | acheronuk: add it as a fail with a comment as mparillo did | 19:46 |
| acheronuk | done | 19:51 |
| wxl | thx | 19:51 |
| * santa_ is trying to fix pimcommon... | 20:02 | |
| wxl | maybe we should make OEM mode optional as xubuntu does | 20:07 |
| wxl | you're on vbox right acheronuk ? | 20:09 |
| acheronuk | wxl: for this sort of testing, yes | 20:10 |
| ahoneybun | unixstickers is having a sale on the KDE sticker kit | 20:10 |
| wxl | acheronuk: would you mind testing that in kvm? | 20:12 |
| wxl | acheronuk: that = kvm btw | 20:13 |
| wxl | OOH THEY HAVE TMUX STICKERS | 20:13 |
| wxl | we need kubuntu shirts on there | 20:15 |
| genii | My Kubuntu polo shirt has tears in it now :( | 20:16 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> do we really? | 20:16 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> https://www.hellotux.com/kubuntu | 20:17 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> @wxl23 | 20:17 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> I like the Mate one better: https://www.hellotux.com/ubuntu_mate_polo_shirt_green | 20:18 |
| genii | I don't see any blue ones | 20:19 |
| wxl | i don't love polos | 20:20 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> not saying I do either but still | 20:21 |
| wxl | so true https://www.unixstickers.com/stickers/coding_stickers/java-hispter-jhipster-shaped-sticker | 20:21 |
| acheronuk | wxl: kvm doesn't want to work here. changes the permissions on the .iso, then complains it can't read it due to wrong permissions | 20:23 |
| wxl | acheronuk: bah, shoot. | 20:23 |
| wxl | anyone got a kvm up and running? | 20:24 |
| santa_ | wxl: me. qemu/kvm with virt-manager here | 20:24 |
| wxl | santa_: could you test the OEM install of beta1? | 20:25 |
| santa_ | wxl: sure, link? | 20:25 |
| wxl | santa_: amd64 i assume? | 20:25 |
| santa_ | wxl: yep | 20:25 |
| acheronuk | wxl: hmm. copying to a different drive seemed to help. weird | 20:25 |
| wxl | santa_: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/373/builds/143162/testcases/1305/results | 20:25 |
| wxl | so do we get a discount on thsoe? | 20:28 |
| wxl | if not maybe we should take advantage of the sale and order a bunch | 20:28 |
| wxl | $89 gets us $5 off shipping, too | 20:29 |
| acheronuk | ok. and that boots to a black screen. there ends my patience with kvm. sorry | 20:29 |
| wxl | ^^ that might be good to request of kubuntu fundage | 20:29 |
| wxl | acheronuk: initial boot? | 20:30 |
| santa_ | wxl: downloading, thanks for taking care of the isos | 20:30 |
| wxl | santa_: np | 20:30 |
| acheronuk | wxl: well, I have a panel. nothing else | 20:34 |
| wxl | acheronuk: yeah well thanks for trying. santa_ will have to take care of it :) meanwhile, you working on the other cases? | 20:35 |
| santa_ | regarding the complaints of perms, are you using virt-manager too acheronuk? | 20:38 |
| acheronuk | santa_: I was | 20:39 |
| santa_ | but not anymore? why? | 20:39 |
| acheronuk | trying other stuff for now. never like that very much anyway | 20:41 |
| wxl | santa_: fwiw flocculant of xubuntu fame says he has had no problem recently with kvm | 20:42 |
| santa_ | aha | 20:42 |
| santa_ | for me it's working better than ever | 20:42 |
| wxl | santa_: so if you can confirm that, then i'll just assume it's a vbox issue | 20:43 |
| santa_ | virtualbox. on the other hand, is giving me black screens | 20:43 |
| wxl | anyone capable of testing on real hardware? | 20:43 |
| DarinMiller | wxl: Fixing the Kubuntu OEM setup guidelines now and a saw the black screen for the first time. | 20:43 |
| wxl | DarinMiller: real hardware or vbox? | 20:43 |
| DarinMiller | wxl: it's just plasma... | 20:43 |
| DarinMiller | vbox | 20:43 |
| wxl | phew | 20:43 |
| santa_ | wxl: btw virtualbox precisely is giving me black screens with | 20:43 |
| santa_ | * yakkety iso | 20:44 |
| santa_ | * plasma 5.9 | 20:44 |
| santa_ | (at least) | 20:44 |
| wxl | santa_: yeah actually i had problems with the yakkety install on vbox | 20:44 |
| santa_ | so I switched to virt-manager recently | 20:44 |
| DarinMiller | resize the window to see the bottom panel or use krunner to launch the terminal. The killall plasmashell && plasmashell & | 20:44 |
| santa_ | as I said is working very well since QXL is the default for the spice monitors | 20:45 |
| wxl | DarinMiller: resize the window? with a blank screen? XD | 20:45 |
| DarinMiller | the vt window | 20:45 |
| DarinMiller | vbox window | 20:45 |
| wxl | oh interesting | 20:46 |
| DarinMiller | once plasma was restarted on my box, everything was OK except the desktop folder was not displayed (no folder usually happens after 2nd OEM boot...) | 20:47 |
| acheronuk | are none of these test cases actually up to date for current ubiqity? sigh....... | 20:47 |
| wxl | DarinMiller: that's because our default is not folder view | 20:48 |
| wxl | i.e. kde-specific problem | 20:48 |
| wxl | acheronuk: well they are general ones, possibly appropriate for ubuntu ubiquity | 20:48 |
| acheronuk | and the folder containment overlapping the desktop toolbox in the live session is getting on my nerves :P | 20:49 |
| DarinMiller | live sessions shoud have desktop folder displayed (but understood regarding default views postinstalls). | 20:49 |
| wxl | personally i think folder view makes a lot more sense | 20:49 |
| wxl | to be clear, how do you resize the window? | 20:51 |
| DarinMiller | the vbox window? | 20:51 |
| wxl | yeah | 20:51 |
| DarinMiller | I used my mouse. | 20:52 |
| DarinMiller | normal window resize. | 20:52 |
| wxl | not making any difference for me | 20:52 |
| DarinMiller | no black background with a panel at the bottom? | 20:53 |
| wxl | no, i just have everything black | 20:53 |
| wxl | plasmashell ain't running | 20:53 |
| DarinMiller | for grins, try to lauch krunner (alt-spacebar) when the vbox window has focus. | 20:53 |
| wxl | i tried a bunch of things and no go | 20:53 |
| DarinMiller | ok my "black screen" is different than yours. | 20:54 |
| wxl | i guess so | 20:54 |
| ahoneybun | wxl: https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/zesty | 20:59 |
| ahoneybun | updating the kubuntu-slideshow.py to PyQt5 | 20:59 |
| wxl | ooooh :) | 20:59 |
| ahoneybun | got it to open and run but no slides | 20:59 |
| wxl | no slides like you haven't made the slides or it simply didn't work? | 21:00 |
| acheronuk | ahoneybun: where are those kubuntu stickers? | 21:00 |
| ahoneybun | wxl: the slides are there | 21:00 |
| ahoneybun | just not loading | 21:00 |
| ahoneybun | acheronuk: stickers? | 21:00 |
| acheronuk | ahoneybun: oh. KDE. not kubuntu | 21:00 |
| ahoneybun | acheronuk: KDE yep | 21:01 |
| ahoneybun | valorie has some Kubuntu ones | 21:01 |
| acheronuk | hah. there is nothing kubuntu at all on there. they must think we are dead. | 21:01 |
| wxl | ahoneybun: have you tried checking in at #ubuntu-installer? | 21:01 |
| wxl | acheronuk: more likely we haven't reached out to them | 21:01 |
| ahoneybun | I'm in there wxl | 21:01 |
| ahoneybun | well Ubuntu just got some stickers on unixstickers | 21:02 |
| wxl | brb tacos are calling my name | 21:02 |
| ahoneybun | wxl: | 21:12 |
| ahoneybun | http://imgur.com/a/Rj3OA | 21:12 |
| ahoneybun | using the test-slideshow.sh | 21:12 |
| ahoneybun | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/zesty/revision/762 | 21:19 |
| wxl | ahoneybun: i'm not ubiquity dev fwiw :) | 21:50 |
| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> And I start training to be one on Saturday :P | 21:51 |
| IrcsomeBot | <acheronuk> @tsimonq2, if there *anything* you're not trying to be? | 21:52 |
| IrcsomeBot | <acheronuk> *is | 21:52 |
| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> Oh be quiet | 21:53 |
| wxl | does anyone know how to directly call the settings for a particular panel? one of my two panels shows it and immediately makes it disappear | 21:53 |
| IrcsomeBot | <acheronuk> just joking. :P | 21:53 |
| wxl | or maybe there's a config file i could just edit to my liking? | 21:54 |
| wxl | restarting plasma did the trick | 21:56 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> I know wxl | 21:58 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> You were just asking about the number thing | 21:58 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Version numbrr | 21:58 |
| clivejo | anyone ever experienced this bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/997200 | 22:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 997200 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Add NetworkManager connectivity config package" [High,Confirmed] | 22:02 |
| wxl | right right | 22:05 |
| -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed! | 22:32 | |
| -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_pimcommon build #91: FIXED in 23 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_pimcommon/91/ | 22:32 | |
| DarinMiller | wxl: I created "Kubuntu specific" OEM update mangaer checklist, but I have no idea how to do a bzr mp. | 22:32 |
| -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed! | 22:33 | |
| -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_pimcommon build #83: FIXED in 23 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_pimcommon/83/ | 22:33 | |
| wxl | DarinMiller: you can do it all through the web gui if you want. just push it to your personal repo to begin | 22:33 |
| clivejo | DarinMiller: https://packaging.neon.kde.org/applications/libkgapi.git/commit/?h=Neon/unstable&id=5f436b6fe6601410e5b9538491a0d0b3a93bf213 | 22:33 |
| DarinMiller | clivejo: so they even renamed the -dev and -data references also. Everything else was very similar to what I had proposed. | 22:37 |
| clivejo | I personally would have kept libkf5gapi-dev.install | 22:38 |
| clivejo | and installed those kf5 named cmake files there | 22:38 |
| clivejo | santa_: what would you do? | 22:40 |
| clivejo | DarinMiller: you wanna generate a MP for that now? | 22:43 |
| santa_ | clivejo: I would need a bit more of context, this package isn't in apps 16.12 yet, correct? | 22:44 |
| clivejo | correct | 22:44 |
| clivejo | its currently a stand alone package | 22:45 |
| santa_ | so you are working on it for the kci? | 22:45 |
| clivejo | !info libkf5gapi-dev | 22:45 |
| ubottu | libkf5gapi-dev (source: libkgapi): Google API library for KDE -- development files. In component universe, is optional. Version 5.1.0-2 (zesty), package size 49 kB, installed size 635 kB | 22:45 |
| clivejo | yes | 22:45 |
| clivejo | upstream are moving in into applications | 22:45 |
| clivejo | and have renamed the libs | 22:46 |
| clivejo | I asked Darin to have a look at it | 22:46 |
| santa_ | ok, let me check debian | 22:46 |
| clivejo | KDE Neon made this commit - https://packaging.neon.kde.org/applications/libkgapi.git/commit/?h=Neon/unstable&id=5f436b6fe6601410e5b9538491a0d0b3a93bf213 | 22:47 |
| santa_ | allright | 22:47 |
| santa_ | https://packages.qa.debian.org/libk/libkgapi.html | 22:47 |
| santa_ | https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-kde/kde-extras/libkgapi.git | 22:47 |
| santa_ | https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-kde/kde-extras/libkgapi.git/commit/?id=5f436b6fe6601410e5b9538491a0d0b3a93bf213 | 22:47 |
| santa_ | clivejo: I would merge with the debian master branch | 22:48 |
| clivejo | due to moving into apps they have renamed the libs from libKF5GAPIBlogger > libKPimGAPIBlogger | 22:48 |
| santa_ | aha | 22:49 |
| clivejo | most of it I agree with | 22:49 |
| santa_ | so, yes, I would follow neon/debian | 22:49 |
| clivejo | bar the transitional cmake files in the new -dev package | 22:49 |
| clivejo | usr/lib/*/cmake/KF5GAPI/KF5GAPIConfig.cmake etc | 22:49 |
| DarinMiller | wxl: I have no idea how go from: bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual-tests to dput -f ppa:darinsmiller/kubuntu-docs <something?> | 22:50 |
| clivejo | in my attempt at this I kept libkf5gapi-dev.install with usr/lib/*/cmake/KF5GAPI/ | 22:50 |
| DarinMiller | wxl: nor do I know how or where the to upload via the web. | 22:50 |
| wxl | DarinMiller: if it was git, you'd git push, right? same deal. :) | 22:51 |
| wxl | dput is for package uploads | 22:51 |
| wxl | assumedly you shouldn't have a full package, but simply a bit of code | 22:51 |
| DarinMiller | just a modified text file | 22:52 |
| DarinMiller | Actually a brand new file as I did not want to stomp on the old one. | 22:52 |
| wxl | yes that's correct | 22:52 |
| DarinMiller | I did the bzr add and commit but then realizied I did not know where to push if for an mp. | 22:52 |
| wxl | so bzr push lp:darinsmiller/something-or-other | 22:53 |
| wxl | and then go to the page in your code and propose for merging | 22:53 |
| clivejo | my logical is that our old stuff will have build dep on libkf5gapi-dev | 22:53 |
| wxl | sorry lp:~darinsmiller | 22:53 |
| clivejo | which can be removed once everything is using the new lib names | 22:54 |
| wxl | sorry lp:~darinsmiller/ubuntu-manual-tests would make the most sense of course :) | 22:54 |
| wxl | as an example, here's the results of a change i made to the loco-team-portal and then requested a merge https://code.launchpad.net/~wxl/loco-team-portal/more-details | 22:54 |
| santa_ | <clivejo> my logical is that our old stuff will have build dep on libkf5gapi-dev | 22:55 |
| wxl | my logical's bigger than yous | 22:55 |
| clivejo | logic | 22:55 |
| santa_ | you have to add some dummy transitional packagers | 22:55 |
| santa_ | * packages | 22:55 |
| santa_ | we have enough dummy packagers! XD | 22:56 |
| santa_ | clivejo: so the minimal thing would be a transitional package for the -dev I think | 22:56 |
| santa_ | that, at least | 22:57 |
| DarinMiller | wxl: I used bzr push lp:~darinsmiller/kubuntu-docs/ubuntu-manual | 23:03 |
| DarinMiller | which: Created new stacked branch referring to /+branch-id/724437 | 23:04 |
| DarinMiller | But I cannot find new packages on my lp page. | 23:05 |
| wxl | oh boy | 23:05 |
| DarinMiller | nm Found it | 23:06 |
| DarinMiller | https://code.launchpad.net/~darinsmiller/kubuntu-docs/ubuntu-manual-tests | 23:06 |
| wxl | kubuntu-docs was a strange place but there ya go :) | 23:06 |
| DarinMiller | I always forget about the bazillion little hidden clicks to find everything... | 23:06 |
| DarinMiller | so proceed with mp from here? | 23:07 |
| wxl | yep yep | 23:08 |
| wxl | https://code.launchpad.net/~darinsmiller/kubuntu-docs/ubuntu-manual-tests/+register-merge | 23:08 |
| wxl | make sure to select the right target :) | 23:08 |
| wxl | also make sure to make me a reviewer | 23:09 |
| DarinMiller | target = ubuntu-manual-tests ? | 23:09 |
| wxl | yes | 23:10 |
| wxl | btw have i mentioned how much i love !lp and !lpbug in ddg? | 23:10 |
| valorie | btw, still have loads of kubuntu stickers | 23:14 |
| valorie | nobody requested any from me | 23:14 |
| DarinMiller | wxl: ubuntu-manual-tests is an invalid target. | 23:15 |
| santa_ | valorie: I might want a few of the small ones, I guess the best strategy would be getting them if we phisically meet @ next akademy | 23:21 |
| wxl | DarinMiller: ~ubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-manual-tests/trunk | 23:26 |
| acheronuk | I would like a few, but equally in no hurry | 23:27 |
| acheronuk | stickers ^^^ | 23:27 |
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| DarinMiller | wxl: New error: This branch is not mergeable into lp:ubuntu-manual-tests | 23:33 |
| wxl | whaaaaaa? | 23:34 |
| DarinMiller | akonoaki-calendar | 23:34 |
| * clivejo is confused | 23:34 | |
| wxl | DarinMiller: did you see above i said to use lp:~ubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-manual-tests? | 23:35 |
| valorie | akademy is coming right up! | 23:40 |
| valorie | at least I hope so | 23:41 |
| clivejo | its months away | 23:41 |
| acheronuk | 7 months? | 23:41 |
| valorie | no date yet | 23:42 |
| valorie | no place for sure yet | 23:42 |
| acheronuk | somewhere with good beer | 23:43 |
| valorie | I think it's Munich vs southern Spain | 23:45 |
| valorie | both of which sound great to me | 23:45 |
| acheronuk | heh: http://www.oktoberfest.de/en/ | 23:47 |
| acheronuk | Munich Oktoberfest | 23:47 |
| acheronuk | (09/16/17 - 10/03/17) | 23:47 |
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| acheronuk | clivejo: wow https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-6/6.3.0-8ubuntu1/+build/12040492 | 23:57 |
| acheronuk | it actually built! | 23:58 |
| acheronuk | (took 1 day, 7 hours, 8 minutes, 11.0 seconds) | 23:58 |
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