[01:27] <bluesabre> robert_ancell, is that new lightdm what I think it is? :D
[01:27] <robert_ancell> bluesabre, hopefully! Please test
[01:27] <bluesabre> Will do
[02:58] <jbicha> robert_ancell: I added appstream metadata to wine1.6/xenial-proposed but instead of using the Name I specified, it used the name from wine-winecfg.desktop instead
[02:58] <jbicha> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/305678434/wine1.6_1%3A1.6.2-0ubuntu14_1%3A1.6.2-0ubuntu14.1.diff.gz
[02:59] <robert_ancell> jbicha, might be better to ask Laney about the appstream generation, I only really know the part that GNOME Software reads, not so much about the generation.
[03:00] <jbicha> ok
[03:27] <jbicha> FJKong: if you're interested in doing another SRU, there's gnome-calculator 3.18.4 for xenial to fix bug 1566513
[03:43] <FJKong> jbicha: ok
[03:43] <FJKong> I will do it
[05:33] <hikiko> hi
[08:05] <desrt> happy wednesday!
[08:28] <didrocks> happy friday desrt :)
[08:29]  * didrocks is off on thursday/friday
[08:29] <flocculant> didrocks just rubs it in ...
[08:30] <desrt> erm.
[08:30] <desrt> well, it's like pseudofriday for me
[08:30]  * desrt is also off tomorrow
[08:31] <desrt> although i feel like it's still going to be a lot of work
[08:31]  * desrt is going to be getting drunk from ~10am tomorrow
[08:32] <desrt> these kölsche jecke...
[08:32]  * flocculant wanders off muttering about lucky people ...
[08:33] <didrocks> from or to ?
[08:34] <desrt> from.
[08:34] <desrt> see... you can't just go out in the night... this is carnival
[08:34] <desrt> you have to start early
[08:34] <desrt> (mascha's friend is throwing a pre-pre-party)
[08:34] <didrocks> ahah, this needs planning it sounds like
[08:37] <desrt> ...and costumes.  lots of costumes.
[08:40] <didrocks> :)
[08:40] <didrocks> enjoy it!
[08:40]  * desrt gets in the mood early
[08:40] <desrt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF6p-BGQcl4
[09:02] <Laney> morning
[09:03] <flexiondotorg> Morning Laney
[09:03] <desrt> hi LANEY :D
[09:03] <flexiondotorg> Morning desrt didrocks flocculant hikiko
[09:03] <desrt> hey flexiondotorg  :)
[09:03] <hikiko> hi all
[09:05] <desrt> happy (something), hikiko
[09:05] <hikiko> happy ra day :p
[09:05] <hikiko> happy wednesday desrt
[09:06] <desrt> oh.  that's the one?  cool.
[09:06] <hikiko> in which timezone you are?
[09:06] <hikiko> lol
[09:06] <desrt> -1 from you
[09:06] <desrt> cet
[09:08] <willcooke> morning all
[09:08] <hikiko> goodmorning willcooke
[09:11] <didrocks> hey flexiondotorg, Laney, hikiko, willcooke!
[09:13] <hikiko> hi *
[09:13] <desrt> O(n^2) ftw
[09:13] <willcooke> :D
[09:14] <willcooke> HI DESRT!
[09:14] <desrt> hey willcooke omg how are you today like really
[09:14] <desrt> ?!
[09:14] <willcooke> HI DESRT!
[09:14]  * desrt scratches her head
[09:15] <seb128> hey desktopers
[09:15] <willcooke> :DDD hey seb128
[09:15] <seb128> :-)
[09:15] <hikiko> desrt, do you know the erlang movie?
[09:16] <desrt> no.  such a thing exists?
[09:16] <desrt> must have been a big hit in theatres...
[09:16] <willcooke> lol
[09:16] <hikiko> hahahahah
[09:17] <hikiko> it has a part where they demonstrate a project in erlang in a phone center
[09:17] <hikiko> like 10 minutes of
[09:17] <hikiko> calls like:
[09:17] <hikiko> "hi dave" "hi robert" "hi joe" "hi X"
[09:18] <hikiko> it's a great plot you have to watch it :p
[09:27] <flexiondotorg> Morning seb128 willcooke
[09:29] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg!
[09:31] <seb128> duflu likes to blame gtk for weird behaviours under unity8 it seems
[09:31] <duflu> seb128: You could probably take Unity8 out of that sentence and replace it with "Mir"
[09:32] <duflu> seb128: I say GTK is winning though. It's apparently software rendered and runs smoother than many of our GL/Qt apps
[09:34] <seb128> :-)
[09:38] <duflu> In terms of raw fill rate, GL-based toolkits like Qt will win. But for that to be useful we need to fix some bugs like poor scrolling and resizing in Qt apps
[09:39] <duflu> Which apparently happens in the same Qt apps under X too
[09:50] <willcooke> Laney, your XPS - did you have any issues with the super key being disabled?
[09:50] <Laney> ?????????
[09:50] <Laney> no
[09:50] <willcooke> The internet is a liar
[09:50] <willcooke> Laney, what about switching workspaces with ctrl-alt-<arrow>
[09:50] <willcooke> did that all work ok?
[09:51] <seb128> is that "out of the box" experience we talk about?
[09:51] <Laney> yes, I do it quite often
[09:51] <seb128> like the pre-installed ubuntu?
[09:51] <seb128> or ubuntu on the xps?
[09:51] <Laney> there are multiple XPSen though
[09:52] <willcooke> The person asking me  is using the from-the-factory install
[09:52] <willcooke> XPS13 which is 2 weeks old
[09:53] <seb128> which I guess Laney is not
[09:53] <seb128> Laney, did you upgrade or reinstall?
[09:53] <ricotz> XPS13 - 9350 or 9360 is quite a difference
[09:53] <ricotz> hey desktopers
[09:54] <seb128> hey ricotz
[09:55] <Laney> I reinstalled, but not after using it for a while on the stock install to see how it was
[09:55] <Laney> until after*
[09:55] <Laney> but it's not what they are currently selling
[09:57] <seb128> willcooke, basically it's difficult to say what's the state of the stock oem image preinstalled on those without having a new machine to poke at, they could have some xorg input driver/keyboard handling issue or some weird default config
[09:57] <willcooke> seb128, yeah, figures.  I've pointed them at the settings for hot keys and will see what comes back.
[09:58] <willcooke> no biggy
[09:58] <seb128> k
[09:58] <Laney> I think we'd know about it if the super key was broken for everyone
[09:59] <willcooke> good point
[10:15] <flexiondotorg> Trevinho you fixed a heap of indicator and icon related issues for snaps last week.
[10:15] <flexiondotorg> I think those have all landed in Zesty now, right?
[10:16] <flexiondotorg> Do you have bugs that track those as SRUs for 14.04 and 16.04?
[10:27] <flexiondotorg> Trevinho I've found a nice group or SRUs bugs for Xenial :-)
[11:59] <Trevinho> flexiondotorg: oh, yeah.. http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html should track them
[11:59] <Trevinho> I've verified them, so I hope they'll hit -updates soon
[11:59] <flexiondotorg> Thanks.
[12:01] <Trevinho> mdeslaur: I've pushed a MP that fixes the security issue we were talking yesterday...
[12:01] <Trevinho> Laney: if you want to test that in your HiDPI hw, feel free, but I already did it simulating my hw...
[12:01] <Trevinho> xrandr --scale is my friend ;-)
[12:06] <mdeslaur> Trevinho: awesome, thanks
[12:06] <jbicha> good morning
[12:06] <Trevinho> mdeslaur: you don't need the link, don't you? :-)
[12:07] <mdeslaur> Trevinho: not really, will it eventually make it's way to the releases?
[12:08] <Trevinho> mdeslaur: well, zeisty just needs a code approval then it's there
[12:08] <Trevinho> mdeslaur: as for the others, i've to do an SRU...
[12:09] <mdeslaur> ok
[12:09] <Trevinho> which... actually i think it's time to do now
[12:09] <Trevinho> well, for xenial
[12:09] <mdeslaur> Trevinho: do you have other things pending?
[12:09] <Trevinho> trusty... I won't cover that, so if you want, code should apply there easily
[12:09] <Trevinho> mdeslaur: quite a lot yeah
[12:10] <mdeslaur> ok
[15:35] <abeato> Laney, hey, I have noticed that gst-plugins-bad1.0 1.10.3-1ubuntu3 has been released, but I do not see that revision number in the changelog in lp:~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu/+source/gst-plugins-bad1.0
[15:37] <Laney> abeato: Well, it wasn't uploaded by me, looks like the uploader didn't push it
[15:38] <Laney> abeato: You can download it (and ubuntu2), and then use gbp import-dsc to import them
[15:39] <Laney> gbp import-dscs /path/to/ubuntu2.dsc /path/to/ubuntu3.dsc
[15:39] <abeato> Laney, I've noticed because I have this MP in a silo and got a conflict: https://code.launchpad.net/~alfonsosanchezbeato/ubuntu/+source/gst-plugins-bad1.0/+git/gst-plugins-bad1.0/+merge/317315
[15:39] <abeato> ah, interesting command
[15:40] <Laney> it's not automatic and most uploaders don't bother to check vcs for ubuntu uploads
[15:40] <Laney> we have this a lot with desktop components
[15:41] <Laney> abeato: so yeah I'd do that and then rebase your stuff onto that
[15:41] <Laney> then I'll pull up to that revision + the tags in the ubuntu-desktop repo
[15:41] <Laney> if you let me know when it's pushed to yours
[15:41] <Laney> thanks!
[15:41] <abeato> ok, will do
[15:41] <abeato> np
[15:53] <abeato> Laney, aha, the change is just a no-change rebuild
[15:53] <abeato> so nothing to import
[15:53] <abeato> I can just bump the version in the silo
[15:55] <Laney> it should still get merged into the VCS IMHO
[15:55] <abeato> I can take the changelog entry
[15:56] <Laney> yeah
[16:03] <Laney> ximion: yo, I made reading files much safer in libmo master now, feel free to give it a go
[16:03] <Laney> have you got any idea how to set up the coverity submission stuff from travis if the build happens in docker?
[16:08] <Laney> next I'll add a mo_file_new_from_bytes, and that will be the end of the API additions for now
[16:08] <Laney> will add a testsuite and call it 0.1
[16:08] <Laney> but this is weekend work for me
[16:16] <ximion> Laney: nice, thanks! :)
[16:16] <ximion> I haven't tried that yet  (Docker and coverity)
[16:16] <ximion> but I should really set that up
[16:16] <Laney> the examples are just for plain builds without docker
[16:16] <ximion> in run my code through coverity manually every once in a while, but didn't do that for the last few AppStream releases
[16:17] <Laney> I forgot why I was using docker in the first place ¬_¬
[16:17] <ximion> Laney: in theory, downloading the coverity tarball manually and running it & uploading the result should work
[16:18] <ximion> well, if Travis wouldn't use a Ubuntu release from the stoneage, one could skip Docker :P
[16:18] <Laney> it has xenial
[16:18] <Laney> I think I needed a newer meson
[16:19] <Laney> # the meson build requires a newer meson and glib
[16:19] <Laney> FROM ubuntu:yakkety
[16:19] <Laney> ya
[16:19] <Laney> should probably backport these
[16:20] <Laney> but then it'll turn out the base travis thing doesn't have backports
[16:20] <ximion> I think I needed a newer GLib back then
[16:20] <ximion> oh, it has xenial? I though the last thing was an optionalk unstable trusty
[16:20] <Laney> well my thing says "dist: xenial"
[16:20] <Laney> ...
[16:21] <ximion> Laney: https://github.com/travis-ci/travis-ci/issues/5821 seems to be still open
[16:22] <ximion> the base is still precise, AFAIK, and you can optionally get trusty
[16:22] <Laney> hahaha
[16:22] <Laney> https://travis-ci.org/iainlane/mo/jobs/203044790
[16:22] <Laney> click "system_info"
[16:22] <Laney> Build dist: xenial
[16:22] <Laney> [...]
[16:22] <Laney> Description:Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS
[16:22] <ximion> but I am not up to date on this, the CI is something I set up once and when it's working I stop worrying about it or keeping up top date with what's new in Travis
[16:22] <Laney> wtf
[16:23] <Laney> so yeah, need to figure out how to get that working inside docker still
[16:23] <Laney> ah well, that's a future task
[16:23] <ximion> heh ^^
[16:51] <gQuigs> I'm trying to find a (possibly internal) discussion regarding dropping evolution from main re: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.xenial/revision/2403
[16:52] <gQuigs> Laney: any chance you remember?  ....was over a year ago
[16:52] <Laney> We asked the OEM team (or something) and they confirmed
[16:52] <Laney> why?
[16:53] <gQuigs> Laney: got customers using evolution (or wanting to) and want to have a story to tell them why we like thunderbird better
[16:54] <gQuigs> wait, why did OEM team ever care about evolution?
[16:55] <Laney> STS maybe
[16:55] <Laney> I don't remember exactly
[16:55] <Laney> but we asked and it was confirmed
[16:56] <Laney> Isn't it the same answer as to why any other piece of software isn't in main?
[16:57] <jbicha> gQuigs: did you read the commit message for the commit your posted?
[16:58] <Laney> That explains why we wanted to drop it, but we wouldn't have done that if Canonical had a business requirement to keep it in main
[16:58] <gQuigs> jbicha: yup, but that's redundant, I want to know *why* - evolution had an exception # still supported for business environment
[16:58] <Laney> are we going around in circles?
[16:59] <Laney> We asked. and were told. that it was okay.
[16:59] <jbicha> (evo uses webkit2 as of 16.10)
[17:00] <gQuigs> Laney: true, we are going in circles..
[17:01] <mdeslaur> gQuigs: we switched to thunderbird on the default media a long time ago. We couldn't in good conscience leave evolution in main knowing it used an unmaintainable webkit as its rendering engine.
[17:02] <mdeslaur> gQuigs: now that it's switched to webkit2, it may be possible to get it promoted again, assuming that the webkit2gtk developers continue doing abi compatible security releases and don't get bored
[17:03] <gQuigs> mdeslaur: awesome to know, thanks!
[17:52] <willcooke> right, I'm off, night all
[18:22] <Laney> nn also
[20:11] <flocculant> robert_ancell: many thanks - got new lightdm in my iso's now - seems to be working fine for the most part, I reported a niggling issue from suspend earlier - but nothing as horrid as what we had :)
[20:11] <flocculant> s/my/Xubuntu ...
[20:11] <robert_ancell> flocculant, great news!
[20:12] <flocculant> yea - absolutely - I didn't even get to wake up properly before work - testing lightdm instead :D
[20:12] <flocculant> thanks again :)
[20:13] <robert_ancell> flocculant, I'm away for two weeks, so I'm not sure if I'll get the other issue fixed today but if not will pick up when I get back.
[22:18] <flocculant> robert_ancell: seems to me that I only manage to get an issue if I am suspend/reboot/unlock/suspend/reboot/unlock quickly - and on nouveau. Normal use of suspend/unlock works
[22:18] <flocculant> not convinced it's a major issue - certainly nothing like we've seen - where I was ready to not release our Beta
[22:18] <robert_ancell> ok, thanks
[22:20] <flocculant> robert_ancell: have a great 2 weeks :)
[22:50] <jbicha> ximion: hi, do you have time to help with getting the Name field correct for wine1.6/xenial? see the last few comments on bug 1571816
[22:51] <jbicha> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/305678434/wine1.6_1%3A1.6.2-0ubuntu14_1%3A1.6.2-0ubuntu14.1.diff.gz
[22:53] <jbicha> it's using the Name field from wine-winecfg.desktop instead
[23:37] <ximion> jbicha: which component exactly?
[23:37] <ximion> (does have the wrong name)
[23:38] <jbicha> ximion: wine1.6 on xenial-proposed, GNOME Software shows it as "Configure Wine", I want it to just say "Wine"
[23:40] <jbicha> wine1.6 does not ship a .desktop that exactly matches the appstream id I used