[10:07] <duflu> greyback: One more thing: Is there an artificial throttle in QSG somewhere?
[10:07] <duflu> Like if you try to render too quickly it slows you down?
[10:09] <duflu> I'm wondering why the screen class wants to know the refresh rate too...
[10:11] <duflu> Good idea
[10:11]  * duflu -> EOD
[13:34] <ads20000> Do the Unity 8 17.04 and 16.04 + Phone Overlay PPA sessions use Mir by default? Is it possible to use Mir with Unity 7?
[13:35] <greyback> ads20000: no not possible. Unity7 relies on X, which is what Mir is designed to replace.
[13:36] <greyback> is why we have to do unity8
[13:36] <greyback> X and Mir are so very different
[13:36] <ads20000> greyback: OK thank you :) Do the Unity 8 sessions use Mir by default? I thought they could use X too? (I'm probably getting confused)
[13:37] <greyback> ads20000: unity8 uses mir. It cannot use X.
[13:38] <ads20000> greyback: I'm asking because I want to reply to this https://github.com/phw/peek/issues/39#issuecomment-281496884 , the dev wants to test using Mir for an app, how can they best do this, maybe you should reply
[13:38] <ads20000> greyback: should they use Libertine? Or make a Snap? If using Libertine would it be using XMir? etc
[13:38] <greyback> ads20000: let me reply, I know more about this situatino
[13:38] <ads20000> greyback: thank you! :)
[13:50] <greyback> ads20000: ok I replied, did I answer the question ok?
[13:52] <ads20000> greyback: That's excellent thank you! My only question would be about the dev environment you suggested, is it a problem that Ubuntu 16.04 LTS and 16.10 use old versions of Unity 8? Quite a while ago some people said they would try to push Unity 8 updates to 16.04 by SRU and to 16.10 but this hasn't happened...
[13:53] <ads20000> greyback: I.e., is it OK if they test their application on those old Unity 8 versions? Would it still work on more recent ones? :)
[13:56] <bregma> just an addition to that answer: Ubuntu 16.04 and later comes with Mir and Unity 8 installed by default, it's just not the default shell selected when you log in
[13:57] <bregma> no need to install extra packages or anything
[13:57] <bregma> er, sorry, 16.10 not 16.04
[13:58] <bregma> my mind said 16.10 and my fingers typed 16.04, I think I need new fingers