[00:46] <diddledan> new hard thingy coming in the morro
[00:46] <diddledan> 3TeeBees
[00:47] <diddledan> it's a replacement so I don't actually benefit from getting 3 more because I'm replacing half of a mirrored pair
[00:56] <daftykins> ;)
[00:57] <daftykins> you get to watch it rebuild!
[01:20] <diddledan> das blinkenlights
[01:22] <daftykins> https://imgur.com/gallery/Qz4bU
[01:23] <daftykins> ZOINKS!
[08:16] <diplo> Morning all
[08:17] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:22] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:40] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy World Thinking Day! 😃
[10:38] <diddledan> merign
[10:38] <diddledan> mernign8
[10:47] <diddledan> I wonder when my disk is gonna arrive....
[10:47] <diddledan> probably last thing this afternoon >.<
[11:03] <diddledan> I has a disk (unless it's something else.. haven't opened the box yet)
[11:32] <diddledan> das blinkenlight ist blinken flashy!
[11:41] <diddledan> 6 hours to completely resilver
[19:50] <andylockran> howdy guys :)
[19:51] <andylockran> Finally got a home computer back :)
[19:51] <andylockran> Old school Dell Optiplex 980 SFF
[19:51] <andylockran> Got a eSata cable to connect up my old ubuntu SSD coming tomorrow
[19:52] <zmoylan-pi> old school would be a bbc micro connected to irc via a rasp pi :-P
[19:55] <zmoylan-pi> or... would that be vintage now...
[20:07] <Laney> :((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
[20:07] <Laney> got loads of sprouts to peel
[20:07] <Laney> worst kitchen job
[20:33] <zmoylan-pi> see... if you learned morse you could stay on irc AND peel sprouts as you tap out morse by foot... :-)
[20:41] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: I want to run a website off a BBC
[20:42] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: the best retro I can hope for is to hook-up my brother's old AMSTRAD PC1640 with an 8bit ISA network card (if such things exist) to run a site off
[20:43] <diddledan> I've heard of people running Commodore 64 with network thingies
[20:44] <zmoylan-pi> connecting them to internet with network cards with nore cpu than the c64 :-)
[20:45] <diddledan> lol
[20:45] <zmoylan-pi> 8bit network isa cards... i suspect i know were there are a few of those lying about...
[20:46] <zmoylan-pi> co ax though instead of cat 5
[20:46] <diddledan> coax don't count
[20:47] <diddledan> my secondary school had a network using coax
[20:47] <zmoylan-pi> don't diss coax... legen tells of a major computer company in uk that in late 90s had one massive lenght of coax connecting many many computers in their hq without grief
[20:50] <diddledan> so quantum entanglement.. could we conceivably use a group of entangled particles which are distributed around the world at key internet exchanges to remove the large distance + speed of light latency issue between continents, I wonder
[20:51] <zmoylan-pi> only if you can program working thread support in vb.net :-P
[20:52] <diddledan> i.e. London telehouse has one half of the entangled pairs and New York has the other so that when you want to communicate across the atlantic you encode your message onto the London side and then read the message off in New York before putting onto normal optical cables
[20:53] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: I should program a User Interface in Visual Basic to track his IP
[20:53] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU
[20:54] <zmoylan-pi> a moment in tv infamy...
[20:55] <diddledan> I've not seen this one before - it's Xander from Buffy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNLB7bFA_U4
[21:00] <zmoylan-pi> my favourite bit of computer screen interaction on tv will always remain... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYAlB1Kxayc taranshula...
[21:05] <diddledan> that's a classic
[21:05] <zmoylan-pi> it remains beautifully timeless
[21:06] <diddledan> daftykins: what did you say I should do with this WD Greenie that I suspect to be wonky? Write zeroes all over it?
[21:27] <m0nkey_> Question for the Brits... When I come over to the UK, is it still easy to pickup a pre-paid SIM card? Do they still give them out for free? Can I pick one up at Gatwick airport?
[21:28] <popey> pretty sure you can get them most places now
[21:28] <popey> super markets etc
[21:29] <diddledan> I think they're still available everywhere
[21:29] <diddledan> can't say I've looked lately tho
[21:32] <m0nkey_> I got my old Nexus 4 to use while I'm over there
[21:33] <m0nkey_> Otherwise I've got to pay $50 just to get my old Note 4 SIM unlocked
[21:37] <zmoylan-pi> $50 would probably get you a mifi with a sim in tescos... wifi all the way :-)
[21:38] <m0nkey_> That I'll be happy with
[21:38] <m0nkey_> Then I just use my VoIP provider
[21:39] <zmoylan-pi> but a sim on prepay and using data should still be cheaper
[21:40] <zmoylan-pi> but me been a tightfisted git would use an offline map and opera browser as it compresses data
[22:24] <daftykins> diddledan: yeah zero that sucker
[22:24] <daftykins> m0nkey_: how long until you arrive? you can sign up with giffgaff and they post them to Canada so you're ready to rock on landing
[22:27] <m0nkey_> cool
[22:27] <m0nkey_> I'm not coming until August. So got some time to go :)
[22:27] <daftykins> winner
[22:44] <m0nkey_> What?! They charge 2p/min to call Canada from the UK?!
[22:45] <m0nkey_> We are royally ripped off over here
[22:45] <m0nkey_> Costs $1/min to call the UK.
[22:46] <zmoylan-pi> that's so you get the bestest most fantastic service :-P
[22:47] <m0nkey_> A basic plan on a Tier 1 provider will cost $75.
[22:48] <daftykins> once you have an internet connection, why would you still want to pick up a phone?
[22:48] <zmoylan-pi> i'm on tesco prepay in ireland.  i spend €5 every 2-3 months for credit
[22:49] <m0nkey_> daftykins, wont always have an internet connection, plan to go out a lot and it's mostly so we can stay in touch with my family while i'm there
[22:50] <zmoylan-pi> then have them send emails, tweets or whatever and get back the same way on free wifi when you can find it...
[22:50] <daftykins> right so get on wifi in public and use any number of free alternatives, or just accept you have to be home and arrange times to talk to folks
[22:50] <daftykins> acting like the high rates are the only way to do it seems odd
[23:05] <awilkins> Nexus 4 4tw
[23:05] <awilkins> (old? mine is still my daily driver....)
[23:09] <daftykins> with non-stock OS i take it, since it's been abandoned for years :)
[23:12] <m0nkey_> i still like my old N4
[23:13] <zmoylan-pi> it does the job why change it
[23:15] <zmoylan-pi> if ancient phone is good enough for american president... :-P
[23:16] <daftykins> because of many glaring known security vulnerabilities
[23:16] <daftykins> you keep trying to apply old dumbphone preferences and familiarities to a vastly changed market
[23:17] <zmoylan-pi> as long as you don't connect to the internet, don't take calls and epoxy the 5.25" floppy drive... :-P
[23:17] <m0nkey_> What about one of these open firmwares? Anything for the N4?
[23:17] <zmoylan-pi> oh and deffo disable the sms abilities
[23:18] <daftykins> sure, but you'll often have to sacrifice call, touch or camera quality
[23:18] <daftykins> alternative ROMs just don't get the focus stock ones do
[23:18] <m0nkey_> what about that cyanogenmod replacement? .. what was it called?
[23:18] <m0nkey_> line... something
[23:19] <daftykins> it's not a replacement, it's the new name for it since they can't keep calling it cyanogenmod anymore
[23:19] <daftykins> same stuff, new label
[23:20] <zmoylan-pi> lineage os
[23:21] <awilkins> Using Chroma Marshmallow on mine
[23:21] <awilkins> I Lineage-OSed my 2012 Nexus 7
[23:22] <awilkins> It's pretty nice but a bit crashy (unofficial build so I guess the device drivers could be a bit... off)
[23:22] <m0nkey_> What about this Ubuntu Phone, would that work? lol
[23:22] <zmoylan-pi> but it's still better than running it's default os now security wise
[23:23] <awilkins> I think there's an Ubuntu Mobile build (maybe an old one) for Nexus 7 2012
[23:23] <awilkins> Dunno about Nexus 4
[23:23] <m0nkey_> There is a build for N4
[23:23] <awilkins> Reluctant for the same reason I eventually abandoned my N900
[23:23] <awilkins> It's really nice and cool n'all to have a Free Software phone
[23:23] <awilkins> But you just can't get all the apps you want
[23:23] <m0nkey_> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/devices/
[23:24] <m0nkey_> All i need to do is make calls, text and maybe a few emails
[23:25] <awilkins> I use Google Maps, a lot
[23:25] <awilkins> Navigation is the killer phone app for me
[23:25] <zmoylan-pi> i do have a java app to access googlemaps including streetview for dumbphone but i prefer offline map on android tablet.
[23:25] <daftykins> lolbuntu
[23:26] <daftykins> m0nkey_: don't screw with that works before travelling! :D that's always a bad move
[23:26] <zmoylan-pi> ^this
[23:27] <zmoylan-pi> last minute changes follow the 90 90 rule.  the first 90% of the task takes 90% of the time, the last 10% takes the other 90%
[23:28] <daftykins> granted you've got some months, but meh
[23:29] <zmoylan-pi> just more time to spend searching ancient forums for fix to a problem you just installed :-)
[23:29] <zmoylan-pi> finding a forum covering months with the exact problem and then a final 'sorted it' message with no explanation how...
[23:30] <daftykins> i sometimes hop on IRC and see someone has come in with a problem then leaves saying it's sorted, with no answer
[23:33] <zmoylan-pi> i mean sometimes it was understandable.  i remember in the early days of linux you didn't push people who got tv cards working on linux as they often had a look on their faces like they'd stared into the abyss and survived... :-)
[23:34] <m0nkey_> I'll most likely just get my Note4 SIM unlocked before I go.
[23:34]  * awilkins remembers writing kernel patches for his TV card
[23:34]  * awilkins twitches
[23:35] <m0nkey_> But I am totally curious about Ubuntu on the N4
[23:35] <daftykins> weirdos wanting TV anywhere near a PC :D
[23:35] <m0nkey_> I need a Ubuntu machine.
[23:35] <daftykins> you have a very odd definition of 'need', sir
[23:35] <m0nkey_> I had to give my Ubuntu laptop back to the wife and put Windows back on it.
[23:35] <zmoylan-pi> and even better was when they took a working tv card setup and crossed a small puny border and had to start all over again...
[23:36]  * awilkins remembers building custom kernels for his TV card.... on Gentoo
[23:36]  * awilkins twitches
[23:36] <m0nkey_> I remember installing Gentoo 0.1
[23:36] <daftykins> awilkins: it's ok you've reformed from your ricer ways
[23:36] <zmoylan-pi> a usb drive with a live distro on it for linux needs on windows hardware
[23:36] <m0nkey_> that was an absolute bitch
[23:36] <daftykins> right which you can't update the kernel on ;)
[23:36] <awilkins> Gentoo was good for 1 thing - really teaches you shitloads about Unix if you do a Stage 1 install
[23:37] <m0nkey_> Meh, it really didn't do that so much.
[23:37] <zmoylan-pi> and making sure you got your monies worth out of the faster cpu you bought :-P
[23:37] <awilkins> daftykins, I've written kernel patches for Ubuntu too though
[23:37] <m0nkey_> It pretty much taught you how to compile a kernel, everything else was bootstrapped.
[23:37] <m0nkey_> If you want to learn Linux, I recommend Linux from Scratch.
[23:37] <m0nkey_> I did it once.
[23:38] <awilkins> Not sure it was around back then
[23:38] <m0nkey_> Be prepared to spend a few days on that.
[23:38] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: Linux doesn't give you that on a laptop :P
[23:38] <awilkins> I must have spent WEEKS watching compiler scrollback :-)
[23:38] <daftykins> a lovely clean Windows install will do that just fine over a factory mess :>
[23:39] <zmoylan-pi> you could get a rasp pi zero. install linux onto that and then ssh in via your n4 for all your linux needs... 8-)
[23:41] <daftykins> all your very very basic needs
[23:41] <zmoylan-pi> it'll run a full linux distro for variable levels of /run/...
[23:41] <zmoylan-pi> you can even vnc if you want desktop experience...
[23:42] <daftykins> a lovely insecure mess of a protocol :>
[23:42] <zmoylan-pi> no proper hacker would touch vnc... it would make their ocd flare up... :-P
[23:46] <daftykins> what's the protocol behind the default in desktop ubuntu these days?
[23:46] <zmoylan-pi> the default?
[23:47] <daftykins> yeah there's a built in remote desktop feature
[23:47] <zmoylan-pi> rdp?
[23:48] <daftykins> that's MS...
[23:48] <zmoylan-pi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Desktop_Protocol#Non-Microsoft_implementations
[23:48] <zmoylan-pi> when i set up my pi many moons ago i think that's what it defaulted to
[23:51] <m0nkey_> xrdp, super handy
[23:52] <zmoylan-pi> i kinda remembered as i used to have problems with rdp on windows and hoped on linux those wouldn't happen
[23:58] <daftykins> worked fine for me for years :)
[23:58] <daftykins> can't count on 100 peoples digits and toes how many folk come in trying to remote to Linux boxes...
[23:58] <daftykins> then some fool tells 'em to run everything plain over VNC, oof