[02:31] <pavlushka> paddatrapper: a very happy birthday for the past and the future
[02:47] <not_found> cheers all... home time
[06:09] <andrewlsd> Morning all :-)
[06:10] <andrewlsd> Nice Docker/LXD chat yetsterday evening.  :-)  we do a lot of OpenShift platform (Docker container format + Kubernetes + Persistent Volumes and a whole bunch more coole features)
[06:21] <paddatrapper> pavlushka: Thanks
[06:21] <paddatrapper> superfly: I know, but just haven't changed it. Requires me redoing things like the ansible playbooks and that requires time...
[06:22] <paddatrapper> andrewlsd: sounds cool, never heard of OpenShift before
[06:22] <paddatrapper> Morning everyone
[06:22] <andrewlsd> paddatrapper: you can test it out via "MiniShift"
[06:23]  * paddatrapper goes to look
[06:23] <andrewlsd> paddatrapper: Blurb: "Minishift is an open-source project dedicated to developing and supporting Minishift. The code base is forked from the Minikube project. Minishift helps you run OpenShift locally by running a single-node OpenShift cluster inside a VM. You can try out OpenShift or develop with it, day-to-day, on your local host. Minishift uses libmachine for provisioning VMs, and OpenShift Origin for running the cluster. "
[06:24] <andrewlsd> https://github.com/minishift/minishift/
[06:24] <chesedo> morning paddatrapper andrewlsd and all others
[06:24] <paddatrapper> morning chesedo 
[06:24] <andrewlsd> hi chesedo
[06:24] <chesedo> docker-compose also helps a lot to have one service per container
[06:25]  * chesedo has the home-server setup so that every thing (squid, aria, quassel-core, backuppc, etc) is in a container
[06:26] <andrewlsd> if you add the kubernetes bit, then 1 service per container with several service_containers per pod. so you may have a LAMP pod with one or more Apache containers  ; a DB container and some storage volumes
[06:27] <andrewlsd> btw, like Ubuntu is doing ZFS as a container backend (with LXD and/or Docker), SUSE is doing btrfs-backed Docker for near instant container creation via btrfs snapshots.
[06:27] <andrewlsd> ... expect that around March.
[06:27]  * andrewlsd _really_ likes containers
[06:28]  * andrewlsd currently runs LXD (because I'm running Ubuntu).  but superfly's point about "inheritance" is definitely a major advantage for Docker. whereby it (in theory) reduces the size requirement for each container image.
[06:29] <paddatrapper> andrewlsd: as long as they aren't using RAID 5 or 6 on btrfs it sounds good :)
[06:29] <andrewlsd> I do think, however, that using "layers" must introduce some latency, due to the normal UnionFS layer on layer on layer
[06:29] <paddatrapper> I'm sure there must be some performance hit
[06:30] <andrewlsd> so you _either_ get inheritance or best performance.
[06:30] <andrewlsd> not that inheritance would mean _poor_ performance
[06:31] <andrewlsd> one thing that I am not sure of yet, and would love for someone to explain to me ....: What happens to all my old docker image commits. Is there some way of automatically deleting the superceded ones? Otherwise I'd eventually have a massive image registry, and yet only be using a handful of the layers
[06:34] <superfly> By the way, my RedHat interview this morning went well. The recruiter guy is going to give my CV to a few teams within RH to look at. 
[06:34] <superfly> paddatrapper, chesedo, andrewlsd ^^
[06:35] <paddatrapper> superfly: great news!
[06:36] <superfly> andrewlsd: intermediary containers get deleted. Also, you can clear your cache 
[06:36] <superfly> andrewlsd: there are a few tricks
[06:36] <andrewlsd> superfly: +1
[06:36] <chesedo> superfly: awesome!!
[06:36] <andrewlsd> superfly: wootness (re RH)
[06:37] <chesedo> andrewlsd: there is also 'docker image' to list them all and 'docker rmi' to delete once that you want
[06:37] <superfly> andrewlsd: also, there is a new distribution called Alpine
[06:37] <andrewlsd> superfly: regarding registry, I was thinking of a company environment, where lots of devs are committing images.  I guess, they should all build each time from as small a base as possible
[06:38] <andrewlsd> superfly: I've got alpine docker and LXD stuff (basically kernel+busybox)
[06:38] <chesedo> andrewlsd: why not just docker-compose files around?
[06:38] <chesedo> pass *
[06:38] <andrewlsd> chesedo: yip, I know about docker-rmi.   and I agree wrt docker-compose files being passed around (where passed means `git pull`
[06:38] <andrewlsd> )
[06:39] <andrewlsd> s/docker-rmi/docker\ rmi/
[06:39] <superfly> You can also run a local Docker registry 
[06:39] <andrewlsd> OpenShift and Docker-DC make the orchestration of large app environments very nice.
[06:40] <andrewlsd> and the whole build automation CI/CD workflow.
[06:40] <andrewlsd> so whilst OpenShift is a RH sponsored project, there is no reason your containers must be RH stuff.
[06:54] <andrewlsd> superfly: +1 for local Docker registry. Several examples including the Portus.org project
[06:57] <superfly> Night everyone, it's a few minutes away from midnight, and I need to be awake and alert tomorrow, we're driving up the mountain to see the snow. 
[06:57]  * andrewlsd out for a bit.
[06:57] <andrewlsd> ciao 'fly!
[06:58] <superfly> (as in, I am driving) 
[06:58] <superfly> Bye andrewlsd, love to the wife and kids! 
[07:12] <nsnzero> morning all
[07:19] <Kilos> all the best superfly 
[07:19] <Kilos> morning everyone
[07:20] <unlaudable> morning
[07:23] <nsnzero> morning Kilos and unlaudable 
[07:24] <Kilos> hi nsnzero paddatrapper andrewlsd inetpro 
[07:24]  * Kilos happy for fly
[07:24] <paddatrapper> Hi Kilos 
[07:50] <unlaudable> why is Kilos happy for superfly?
[07:51] <unlaudable> mmm is there an extension or rfc or something for irc to show all previous history since been disconnected?
[07:52] <nsnzero> unlaudable: there should be a link on the top for archived irc chats - you can use that to catch-up 
[07:53] <nsnzero> unlaudable: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com
[07:53] <Kilos>  because he has a good chance of getting a job at redhat unlaudable 
[07:54] <Kilos> passed the first interview stage
[07:54] <unlaudable> nsnzero, I'm thinking more broadly than just this #, the irc protocol/server itself...
[07:55] <unlaudable> nsnzero, I was wondering if irc had such a feature if it would compete better with slack et al..
[07:56] <unlaudable> Kilos, superfly ah ok awesome, good luck :-)
[07:57] <nsnzero> maybe a plugin ? which client you use ?
[08:00] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:01] <unlaudable> nsnzero, I'm using xchat I think it should be something built into the standard though... then everyone could have an option to view the history someway...
[08:01]  * inetpro still prefers irc over slack
[08:01] <inetpro> unlaudable: ^^
[08:01] <unlaudable> nsnzero, /history #ubuntu-za
[08:01] <inetpro> you can't beat irc
[08:02] <inetpro> just get yourself on quassel with a quassel-core backend 
[08:02] <unlaudable> inetpro, sure, but you have to admit,  features in slack like being able to reply and thread a conversation, and searching history that you were not online for I useful...
[08:03] <inetpro> unlaudable: true
[08:05] <inetpro> "Let's all jump on the bandwagon of another closed-source, proprietary, walled-garden service and hand over all of our private intra-company communications to a private third-party in another country. GREAT IDEA."
[08:06] <unlaudable> this is what got me wondering about it... https://twitter.com/jbeda/status/833008797459230721
[08:06] <inetpro> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10486688
[08:07] <unlaudable> which was prompted by this... https://twitter.com/Kris__Nova/status/832960424438018051
[08:07] <unlaudable> which was prompted by the cost of slack...
[08:08] <unlaudable> turns out slack will let the kubernetes community have it for nothing anyway
[08:10] <unlaudable> inetpro, agreed, orgs tend to go for it though for convenience
[08:11] <nsnzero> irc is an old protocol 
[08:17] <unlaudable> yeah, probably would never happen... just thinking out loud
[08:17] <unlaudable> improving this would be cool... https://twitter.com/jhulten/status/833012133851860992
[08:27] <nsnzero> there already so many protocols out there 
[08:28] <nsnzero> how much faster is an ssd when used only for booting ?
[08:44] <not_found> o/
[08:48] <unlaudable> https://twitter.com/daviottenheimer/status/833495843760005120 :D
[09:10] <andrewlsd> Hi Kilos-
[09:11] <andrewlsd> unlaudable: Not sure if this is a Quassel feature or not, but perhaps search for "IRC backlog request"
[09:11] <andrewlsd> unlaudable: and there is always XMPP.
[09:12] <andrewlsd> btw, we use Rocket.Chat at work, and theblazehen found a Pidgin plugin for Rocket. So now I can use a native app for that too, instead of an electron (web-wrapper)
[09:53]  * andrewlsd goes away again
[10:02] <unlaudable> andrewlsd, just a general thought about irc vs slack et al... can use things like ZNC as well... 
[10:03] <unlaudable> havent heard of quassel though looking at it...
[10:06] <Kilos> please give me a word made with these letters PICHER
[10:06] <unlaudable> CHIPER? but that seems to be missing  a P
[10:07] <Kilos> must be a recocnised word
[10:07] <Kilos> oh my
[10:07] <Kilos> Maaz define chiper
[10:07] <Maaz> Kilos: I don't know about chiper. Maybe you meant Hiper, Chipper, Chirper, Chider, Chimer or chipper?
[10:07] <Kilos> ai!
[10:08] <unlaudable> CIPHER
[10:09] <unlaudable> maaz define PICHRE
[10:09] <Maaz> unlaudable: I don't have a definition for that. Is it even a word?
[10:09] <unlaudable> maaz define cipher
[10:09] <Maaz> unlaudable: Cipher \Ci"pher\, a. Of the nature of a cipher; of no weight or influence. "Twelve cipher bishops." --Milton. [1913 Webster], Cipher \Ci"pher\, v. i. [imp. & p. p. {Ciphered}; p. pr. & vb. n. {Ciphering}.] To use figures in a mathematical process; to do sums in arithmetic. [1913 Webster]  'T was certain he could write and cipher too. --Goldsmith. [1913
[10:09] <Maaz> Webster], Cipher \Ci"pher\, v. t. 1. To write in occult characters. [1913 Webster]  His n…
[10:09] <unlaudable> ceriph
[10:10] <unlaudable> I'm not that smart I'm using an anagram generator ;-P
[10:10] <unlaudable> richer
[10:10] <unlaudable> feeling dumber all the time...
[10:14] <nsnzero> cipher is a common word / handle amongst 1337 groups
[10:16] <nsnzero> anyone watched the story of wikileaks ?
[10:17] <unlaudable> which one?
[10:17] <unlaudable> oh wait I'm thinking fo Snowden...
[10:17] <nsnzero> we steal secrets unlaudable 
[10:18] <unlaudable> havent seen it...
[10:18] <unlaudable> nsnzero, worth it?
[10:19] <nsnzero> its a documentary - its informative and an eye-opener 
[10:21] <nsnzero> HACKERS is the best computer comedy i watched 
[10:29] <Kilos> ty unlaudable 
[10:32] <unlaudable> https://riot.im/
[11:22] <andrewlsd> unlaudable: that's a client for matrix.org   
[11:22] <unlaudable> andrewlsd, yes...
[11:22] <andrewlsd> unlaudable: ZNC and Quassel are similar.
[11:22] <andrewlsd> ^ in that use case
[11:23] <andrewlsd> at least, similar to each other. didn't mean to imply similar to Matrix
[11:23] <andrewlsd> Matrix has IRC bridges ;-)
[11:23] <unlaudable> andrewlsd, dandy, not sure I am such an irc nut that I'm going to use em...
[11:24] <unlaudable> I like the idea of being permanently connected though... if only just for idlerpg ;-P
[11:25] <andrewlsd> +1
[11:25] <andrewlsd> which is why I use Quassel.
[11:25] <andrewlsd> so I can connect via Android + PC simultaneously
[11:25] <andrewlsd> (or alternatively)
[11:26] <andrewlsd> In normal IRC that would require multiple NICs.
[11:26] <andrewlsd> so (probably the same as with ZNC) Quassel makes the IRC connection, I connect to Quassel.
[11:29] <andrewlsd> unlaudable: do you know kmf?
[11:30] <andrewlsd> unlaudable: thanks for the introduction to Frazz ;-)  via Twitter.
[11:32] <unlaudable> andrewlsd, we work at the same place :-)
[11:32] <andrewlsd> unlaudable: I thought that might be the case ;-)
[11:33] <andrewlsd> so unlaudable, do you count time in BC?
[11:34] <unlaudable> andrewlsd, do you like Halls?
[11:36] <andrewlsd> haha
[11:36] <unlaudable> ;-P
[11:38] <paddatrapper> andrewlsd: Weechat also does permanent connections quite nicely :)
[11:46] <andrewlsd> +1 paddatrapper
[11:47] <andrewlsd> Yay. got Zatech slack IRC gateway hooked up now.
[11:47] <andrewlsd> happy camper.
[12:11] <nsnzero> i need to test gflops in opencl - any ideas ?
[12:14] <andrewlsd> something like a stress tester for cuda?
[12:16] <nsnzero> andrewlsd: something similar - just to show me the throughput - its for opencl on intel device - the another laptop has the radeon
[12:17]  * andrewlsd goes to ask theblazehen
[12:17] <nsnzero> all hail theblazehen
[12:18] <andrewlsd> all hail!
[12:18]  * andrewlsd finds https://github.com/matszpk/clgpustress
[12:19] <andrewlsd> ^ ***THIS PROGRAM IS VERY DANGEROUS FOR GRAPHICS CARD AND CAN OVERHEAT OR DAMAGE YOUR GRAPHICS CARD***
[12:19] <andrewlsd> warning in bold at http://clgpustress.nativeboinc.org/
[12:19] <nsnzero> lol - i was just copying that text as well 
[12:20] <andrewlsd> theblazehen says "Dunno about gflops, but if it's for comparisons I'd imagine most rendering benchmarks would be alright, since they would be using floating point."
[12:22] <nsnzero> fyi - this intel i5 cpu can push 14 gflops which is the 2 gflop more than the ibm ascii white supercomputer built in 2001
[12:22] <andrewlsd> btw nsnzero you can use openCL with `ffmpeg` https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/HWAccelIntro
[12:23] <nsnzero> it had 8 192 375mhz processors and costs a cool $110 million
[12:23] <nsnzero> how technology has progressed 
[12:24] <andrewlsd> wow.
[12:24] <andrewlsd> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCI_White
[12:24] <andrewlsd> weighed 106 tons
[12:25] <andrewlsd> The power-to-weight ratio has improved somewhat :-P
[12:26] <nsnzero> if anybody is interested used xeon e5 processors are going really cheap - 8 cores 16 threads
[12:27] <nsnzero> http://www.techspot.com/review/1155-affordable-dual-xeon-pc/
[12:31] <nsnzero> asteroids@home has a nice lookup to compare real world cpu performance asteroidsathome.net
[12:34] <andrewlsd> nsnzero:  via Colin: https://github.com/davidrohr/hpl-gpu
[12:35] <nsnzero> home time - chat later guys - take care 
[12:37] <nsnzero> thanks andrewlsd i will look into it 
[13:00] <the_nuv> o/
[13:00]  * the_nuv loer in
[13:21] <paddatrapper> the_nuv: \o
[15:40]  * pavlushka ahoys ZA
[15:56] <smile> pavlushka: whole SA? :o 
[15:56] <pavlushka> smile: :)
[15:57]  * smile listens to Paul Young - Everything Must Change
[18:18] <nsnzero> evening folks
[18:35] <smile> good evening
[18:38] <nsnzero> hi smile
[18:38] <smile> Hi :) 
[18:39] <smile> My car refused to start! :o
[18:39] <smile> It's a little of 6 months old
[18:39] <smile> * over
[18:39] <nsnzero> what car ?
[18:39] <smile> a Hyundai i20
[18:40] <nsnzero> lights and hooter works ?
[18:40] <smile> Yeah :)
[18:40] <nsnzero> battery ruled out
[18:40] <nsnzero> ignition lights comming on ?
[18:41] <smile> What are those :P
[18:41] <smile> you mean dashboard lights? :)
[18:41] <nsnzero> the lights on the instrument cluster ? yip
[18:42] <smile> just the initial dashboard lights when I put the key inside the slot, not the ones when he's started
[18:43] <smile> it's a leased car, I will report the incident to the garage or leasing company, whichever one comes first :)
[18:43] <smile> I have 24/7 assistance so if I'm in trouble they will come and get me
[18:45] <nsnzero> possible alarm / immoblizer but those are addons i think
[18:46] <smile> Whats an immobilizer?
[18:47] <nsnzero> fuel cut-off connects to your alarm
[18:48] <nsnzero> does the car swing when you turn the key ?
[18:48] <smile> Burglars alarm?
[18:48] <nsnzero> car alarm
[18:49] <smile> Not sure what you mean by swing. It didnt move
[18:50] <nsnzero> do you hear the motor turning / cranking ?
[18:53] <smile> Yeah 
[18:53] <smile> Start motor runs
[18:55] <nsnzero> problem solved ?
[18:55] <smile> For now :-P 
[18:57] <nsnzero> brb
[19:26] <Kilos> night all.sleep tight
[19:26] <Kilos> inetpro 202mm and 1 today
[19:27] <Kilos> night
[19:29] <nsnzero> night KIA 
[19:29] <nsnzero> night Kilos
[19:51] <inetpro> good night km