[00:04] <diddledan> daftykins: VNC
[00:05] <diddledan> daftykins: it's run via a vino frontend IIRC
[00:06] <diddledan> the app in the dash is "Desktop Sharing" which then sets gconf settings for vino and makes it start on login
[00:09] <daftykins> o0
[00:10] <m0nkey_> That was easy, it's downloading and installing Ubuntu on my old N4
[00:11] <daftykins> now it'll be even more useless :>
[00:11] <m0nkey_> lol
[00:11] <m0nkey_> I just want to try it
[00:11] <m0nkey_> It's easy enough to revert back
[00:11] <daftykins> :D
[00:12] <daftykins> as long as you work that all out before your travels you're good ;)
[00:12] <m0nkey_> I've got about 6 months :)
[00:13] <m0nkey_> It's in the Ubuntu boot loader and pushing the image to the device now
[00:15] <daftykins> i know you're excited but this is all pretty basic to most folk that mess around with phones ;)
[00:15] <m0nkey_> I rarely play with phones :)
[00:15] <daftykins> are you bored of your VR toys yet?
[00:15] <m0nkey_> Nope
[00:16] <m0nkey_> It's still friggin awesome
[00:18] <m0nkey_> Hmm, it seems to be rebooting and has the Ubuntu logo.
[00:24] <m0nkey_> It's installed and just gone through the setup
[00:25] <diddledan> disk is now being zeroes
[00:25] <diddledan> zeroed
[00:25] <diddledan> how long will it take I wonder
[00:26] <diddledan> is anyone using zfs on ubuntu .. as in at all?
[00:29] <zmoylan-pi> i'm in 2 other linux channels and i haven't seen it mentioned as been used by anyone
[00:30] <m0nkey_> I use it, but not in Ubuntu.
[00:34] <daftykins> diddledan: 3TB? 12+hrs
[00:35] <diddledan> it's a slow disk, only supports 1.5Gbps bandwidth on the SATA bus, so I'm assuming the drive to be somewhat slower than that
[00:35] <daftykins> lol
[00:35] <daftykins> dd will be showing you the speed, you're using dd right?
[00:35] <diddledan> yes. I haven't got any feedback tho
[00:35] <daftykins> showing you if you run: watch -n 30 'kill -USR1 $PID_of_dd'
[00:36] <daftykins> sudo on the kill too naturally
[00:36] <diddledan> 135ish MB/s
[00:37] <diddledan> it's done 105GB so far
[00:37] <daftykins> mmm not too shabby, bus doesn't really matter for mechanical - you'll see the speed slowly drop as it gets to the inner tracks :)
[00:37] <diddledan> that's in about 10 minutes
[00:55] <m0nkey_> Everything seems to work on this Ubuntu touch
[00:55] <m0nkey_> Calls, text, camera...
[00:56] <m0nkey_> Going to have to experiment some more
[01:01] <daftykins> i was talking about alternate ROMs affecting camera quality etc before
[01:04] <m0nkey_> Lets face it, N4 quality wasn't that great to begin with :)
[01:05] <daftykins> not in low light anyway
[01:05] <daftykins> mine mostly sits on my desk unused these days, although i did use it whilst in the US last September
[06:03]  * zmoylan-pi listens to wind outside...
[08:53] <foobarry> just got soaked to the skin
[08:54] <foobarry> one of those downpours , i had 10seconds to the nearest shop doorway, but that was enough to totally soak me
[08:54] <foobarry> jeans are now on a radiator in the office :|
[09:09] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:10] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:44] <diplo> Morning all
[09:45] <diplo> Anyone know of any reason to not change a UID of a user on a new install to 500? we use the uids within our software and one user needs to be 500, the rest it doesn't matter so much.. I can't find any issues so far on the interwebs but thought I'd ask here
[09:46] <diplo> CentOS moved from 500 to 1000 as of Cent7 copying other distros
[10:06] <popey> last place I worked we used to have a set of UIDs that we used for specific users.
[10:06] <popey> So long as it's consistent on all the machines, it was fine
[10:12] <davmor2> diplo: what popey said, as long as the naming/numbering is consistent and documented it should be fine
[10:22] <diplo> Thanks guys, and documented hahaha :)
[10:22] <diplo> I've found some serverfault/stackexchange things after referencing similar points
[10:26] <davmor2> diplo: seriously if you don't document it you will forget do an install and spend hours trying to figure out why stuff isn't working if you modify things from the default
[10:28] <SuperMatt> morning
[10:29] <diplo> davmor2: I'm laughing as my company suck at documenting :) not me
[10:29] <foobarry> i love documenting
[10:29] <diplo> I document all I do, them not so much...... its taken me 4 hours to get why we need the user to be uid=500
[10:30] <foobarry> asciinema and mkdocs make for great documentation
[10:30] <diplo> I use sphinx, gone from nothing to 100's of things written now
[10:30] <foobarry> in rST?
[10:30] <foobarry> or md
[10:31] <diplo> rst
[10:31] <diplo> I think you and I discussed this last year when you were moving over :)
[10:31] <diplo> I'd gone Sphinx because it was what readthedocs used and I liked the look of it.. nothing stopping me moving apart from effort :)
[10:31] <foobarry> yesh
[10:32] <foobarry> mkdocs allows easy workflow cos u can spin up an instance on your own desktop in seconds , based off another branch
[10:35] <diplo> Ah right, I will investigate at some point but basically I write my docs type make html it publishes one locally and rsyncs to our other site the same dir and then svn add / ci data into subversion
[10:35] <diplo> Works for me
[10:37] <foobarry> sphinx has better themes support
[10:37] <foobarry> and collapsible menus etc
[10:37] <diplo> I do like the collapisble menus :)
[10:38] <foobarry> jekyll is supposed to be good too
[10:38] <foobarry> http://bit.ly/2lIF7fa is our current mkdocs site
[10:38] <foobarry> managed via github
[10:44] <ali1234> diplo: uid  less than 1000 means "system user" and wont show on the login screen etc by default
[10:54] <diplo> I
[10:54] <foobarry> am
[11:07] <diplo> Sorry lost the old interwebs there
[11:08] <diplo> We don't use a login screen anyway, this is our system user I guess so I'm happy with that, cheers though ali1234
[11:32] <diddledan> windymuch?!
[11:33] <SuperMatt> I've got jury service today, and I might not be able to make it thanks to a tree on the line
[11:33] <diddledan> eep
[11:34] <SuperMatt> Annoyingly, if I do make it there, on the bus, there might be other jurors that can't make it, so I would have braved the wind for nothing
[11:34] <foobarry> is there a number yo can call?
[11:34] <SuperMatt> Yeah, there is
[11:35] <SuperMatt> I should find out at midday if I'm actually needed
[11:35] <SuperMatt> They may say not to bother coming in then
[11:36] <Laney> Everyone says it's extremely boring but I still want to be called for jury service :(
[11:37] <diddledan> they sent me a notice that I'd been selected by the randomiser but when I replied they turned me down. apparently being a nutjob means they don't like to use you for a jury
[11:52] <SuperMatt> Laney: it is boring when you're not sitting a case. I literally did nothing for my first two days
[11:52] <Laney> SuperMatt: Yeah that bit, the waiting to get called
[11:52] <Laney> or I heard you can get called up, faff around for ages and then get sent back out
[11:53] <Laney> if they don't like you on that case for some reason
[11:55] <SuperMatt> So what they do is pick 15 people at random to go to the court room. Then in the courtroom, they read out a list of jury exemptions, such as if you know person X, or worked at Y, then you shouldn't be on the jury. They then pick 12 people out of the 15 that said they're OK to be on the Jury. Then they may start immedately, or they may say that the prosecution/defence isn't ready yet, and may send you
[11:55] <SuperMatt> off.
[12:03] <diddledan> Lana Del Rey: Love https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-NTv0CdFCk <-- I like this!
[16:29] <Seeker`> Laney: It's super boring. Being part of a case is marginally more interesting, but there's still a lot of waiting around. Sometimes you start at 10, go in for 20 minutse, get sent out for half an hour while they discuss a point of law, go back in for 10 minutes, get sent out because the judge wants a 20 minute break, go back for 40 minutes, then get sent home for the day because a witness didn't turn
[16:29] <Seeker`> up.
[16:30] <Seeker`> And I absolutely hated deliberations.
[16:31] <Seeker`> SuperMatt: did you end up having to go in?
[17:54] <SuperMatt> Yeah, I went in
[19:58] <diddledan> daftykins: after zeroing the drive and running a long smart self-test, which has just this moment finished running, the log says the latest test passed
[19:59] <diddledan> ref: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24054851/
[20:00] <ali1234> what was wrong with it before?
[20:00] <ali1234> theres no reallocated sectors
[20:00] <diddledan> ali1234: test #15
[20:00] <ali1234> weird
[20:00] <ali1234> did you have a power failure?
[20:01] <diddledan> nope
[20:01] <ali1234> it's not a physical medium error because it would have to reallocate the sector, and it apparently hasn't
[20:01] <ali1234> so it must have just got confused while writing, and put an invalid checksum or something
[20:01] <ali1234> cosmic rays, i dunno
[20:02] <diddledan> cosmic rays are funky. used to kill camera tubes back in the 60s/70s
[20:02] <diddledan> they'll play havoc with ccd blocks, too
[20:03] <ali1234> maybe you should try writing all 1s
[20:03] <ali1234> at least to the problem block
[20:03] <diddledan> is there a /dev/one? like /dev/zero :-p
[20:04] <ali1234> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10905062/how-do-i-get-an-equivalent-of-dev-one-in-linux
[20:06] <diddledan> \377? o_O
[20:06] <diddledan> how is \377 0xFF?
[20:06] <ali1234> octal
[20:07] <diddledan> ok, that's running
[20:08] <diddledan> I'm blatting the whole disk to be sure
[20:12] <ali1234> better safe than sorry
[21:21] <diddledan> these are yummy: http://www.nissinsobanoodles.co.uk/caseoffer.html
[21:22] <zmoylan-pi> can't you at least eat proper british noodles!! :-P
[21:22] <diddledan> they're more decadent than potnoodles
[21:22] <diddledan> I'm a posh-knob! :-D
[21:24] <zmoylan-pi> boil a kettle on your nvidia graphics card and a few cases of those and you can survive the zombie apocalypse...
[21:26] <diddledan> \o/
[21:35] <zmoylan-pi> ...at least till the idea of eating just one more posh pot noodle makes you crave brains...
[21:36] <diddledan> mmm, brains
[21:36]  * diddledan chews on zmoylan-pi's scalp
[21:37]  * zmoylan-pi is happy to have a moylan grade skull that has so far broken chairs broken over it and left a dent in crossbar of bike in one of my more amusing accidents...
[21:38] <diddledan> what if I use a nokia?
[21:38] <diddledan> I hereby dub the nokia with the title of brain opener
[21:38] <zmoylan-pi> that would be the unbreakable object meating the unbreakable object... a 1000 philosophers would die in the attempt alone...
[21:43]  * zmoylan-pi spots that the new samsung 8plus will have a 6.2" screen... is there a market for a phone aimed at professional basketball players?
[21:46] <diddledan> I want a 13inch phone
[21:47] <zmoylan-pi> at that size isn't it more a riot shield?
[21:47] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27aVPqpnL7Y
[21:48] <diddledan> wow, 25 second intro?!
[21:48] <diddledan> skip that
[21:48] <zmoylan-pi> well you could 3d print a case for a phone...
[21:48] <zmoylan-pi> i have the dvd of the series... red fox to grey squirrel, red for to grey squirrel...
[21:56] <zmoylan-pi> surgeons will have to start offering thumb extension surgery...
[22:02] <zmoylan-pi> mind at 13" they could then split screen and have one camera displaying the view forward so that peoples view won't be obstructed by their phone... while using their apps in rest of the screen