[01:07] <bluesabre> Unit193, at the very least, it works live
[01:09] <bluesabre> (pretty sure it works installed too)
[01:09] <bluesabre> or do you have an alternate ~/Templates?
[01:17] <Unit193> Shouldn't.
[01:21] <Unit193> It worked fine on another, hmm.
[01:21] <Unit193> I'll check the other-other later.
[01:26] <bluesabre> :D
[01:26] <bluesabre> worked on my vm install, so I'm not entirely crazy
[01:27] <bluesabre> possible that it just needs to run on a delay in case xdg-user-dirs hasn't done it's job yet
[01:27] <knome> crrrrraaaazyy
[01:27] <bluesabre> hi knome
[01:27] <knome> hullo bluesabre 
[01:27] <Unit193> knome: Yeah we know you are.
[01:27] <knome> indeed (:
[01:28] <bluesabre> b1 tomorrow, so time to start reminding you about this cycle's wallpaper refresh :)
[01:28] <knome> yes
[01:28] <knome> i reminded myself about it some time ago
[01:28] <bluesabre> yay
[01:28] <knome> technically, i need to finish it next week
[01:28] <bluesabre> right
[01:28] <knome> because the week after that will be busy
[01:28] <knome> (for me)
[01:28] <bluesabre> busy knome
[01:29] <knome> hmm.
[01:29] <knome> is there any way to change the starting day of the week on the orage popup without installing orage?
[01:29] <bluesabre> figured that would be some localization setting
[01:29] <bluesabre> no idea though
[01:30] <knome> i don't think so
[01:30] <knome> i have the same locale as before the reinstall, and now the starting day is sunday
[01:30] <knome> which freaks me off
[01:32] <knome> doesn't seem to be an orage option either
[01:32] <bluesabre> guessing you've never configured it before (or since 2011), might be a bug somewhere down the line
[01:32] <knome> yeah, not since 2011
[01:39] <bluesabre> knome, looks like LC_TIME is the var you want
[01:40] <knome> yes, but that's already set at en_GB.UTF-8, which gave me the right result before
[01:40] <bluesabre> and thats what google turned up for me
[01:40] <bluesabre> lol
[01:41] <bluesabre> knome, http://askubuntu.com/a/214524 maybe?
[01:41] <knome> yeah, but the locale file already says first_weekday 2
[01:41] <knome> (:
[01:42] <bluesabre> wellllllllllllllp
[01:42] <knome> indeed
[01:42] <bluesabre> maybe try asking in #xubuntu
[01:42] <bluesabre> :D
[01:42] <knome> this is the fun you sign up when reinstalling!
[01:42] <knome> +for
[01:43] <knome> which is why i didn't do it for five years
[01:43] <knome> and this isn't the first thing which is like "well... that didn't work OOTB, let me quickly fix"
[01:43] <knome> then 30 minutes later "ergghh" and sweatting ;)
[01:45] <bluesabre> spicy food does that to you
[01:45] <knome> nope.
[01:45] <knome> that's 15 minutes later 
[01:45] <knome> ;)
[02:49] <Unit193> bluesabre: Run  lightdm-gtk-greeter --help  tell me what you see?
[02:52] <Unit193> bluesabre: Saw that when looking for something like lightdm's --show-config
[02:56] <bluesabre> Unit193, 01_ubuntu, 30_xubuntu, 01_ubuntu, 30_xubuntu, etc/...
[02:57] <Unit193> Isn't that odd?
[03:33] <bluesabre> yes, I think so
[03:33] <bluesabre> but it works... so back under the rug it goes for now :D
[03:36] <Unit193> Hah.  But, look at  lightdm --show-config  !
[03:37] <bluesabre> indeed, not entirely sure what it all means, but duplication there means the bug might just lie in lightdm
[03:37] <bluesabre> or maybe thats a new standard... check everything twice to be sure
[03:39] <Unit193> Nono, I mean that's a awesome switch, lightdm-gtk-greeter needs it!
[03:45] <bluesabre> ah, gotcha
[03:46] <bluesabre> feel free to file a feature request bug for that
[03:47] <Unit193> Yeeeah. :/
[04:19] <Unit193> bluesabre: Be aware of https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/network-manager/+git/network-manager/+merge/318031 - LP 997200
[04:21] <Unit193> FWIW: -1
[05:22] <Unit193> bluesabre: OK, so looks like Templates got rm'd, thus when the xdg script ran it set XDG_TEMPLATES_DIR="$HOME/" so that's less than ideal...
[10:00] <bluesabre> Unit193, indeed, that could be improved
[10:02] <bluesabre> Unit193, that connectivity-check thing doesn't sound *bad*, or is that something that currently works by default and won't work after the change?
[10:03] <Unit193> bluesabre: Eh, but nothing wrong with your script, just unexpected.  The check isn't enabled yet, will be an additional package.
[10:08] <bluesabre> Unit193, yeah, but dumping files to $HOME is something a jerk developer would do
[10:09] <Unit193> Yeah, I was trying to remove all the things from ~ today.
[12:54] <bluesabre> Unit193, flocculant, I'll file the FFe for notifyd tonight, works well, and would be a cool feature to have in the release
[12:55] <bluesabre> menulibre update should be coming down the pipe this weekend as well
[13:06] <ali1234> i feel like building something
[13:06] <ali1234> whoops wrong channel :)
[17:50] <flocculant> knome: you planning on any beta announcement - is anyone else?
[20:16] <knome> flocculant, not planning, but i can help with one
[20:47] <flocculant> knome: I've got enough to sort out, if no-one else does anything we can do without imo
[20:48] <flocculant> it's only a snapshot as we know
[20:51] <knome> yeah, i'm fine with that as well
[20:51] <flocculant> :)
[20:51] <flocculant> release note and download will be on the main release announcement
[20:52] <knome> you mean not wiki?
[20:54] <flocculant> knome: umm - I mean there is a release note - that'll get on the Ubuntu announcement - as will the b1 download url
[20:54] <knome> right :)
[20:54] <knome> good good
[20:56] <flocculant> well - when I mean there's a release note - it's being worked on :D
[20:56] <flocculant> trying to remember what new stuffs it has ... 
[21:00] <flocculant> as opposed to what I've got here :)
[21:38] <knome> so... some #xubuntu log analysis
[21:38] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/.loganalysis/
[21:39] <flocculant> w is from webchat?
[21:39] <knome> yep
[21:39] <knome> i installer, o online docs, d documentation (shipped), last one is unknown, so not a known letter, or an old style number
[21:39] <knome> though
[21:39] <knome> these bars don't feel to be right...
[21:40] <knome> that installer bar for july isn't 1/181...
[21:40] <knome> hmm yeah, what are those numbers there anyway
[21:41] <knome> hmmh.
[21:42] <knome> must be missing something essential
[21:43] <knome> oh
[21:43]  * knome facepalms
[21:44] <knome> theeeeeeere we go.
[21:44] <knome> much better
[21:45] <flocculant> :)
[21:47] <flocculant> bluesabre: very basically done a release note - please fiddle as you see fit
[21:47] <flocculant> off now
[21:50] <knome> ok, so for anybody interested, whole 2015 and some months from 2014 are added
[21:51] <Unit193> Where's the installer place them?
[21:51] <knome> hm?
[21:53] <knome> you mean the installer before we had xubuntuNNi? unknown
[21:54] <knome> online docs seem to be stable, installer and shipped documentation in rise, which is nice
[21:56] <Unit193> Meant in #xubuntu or #xubuntu-offtopic, it was dicussed but I don't remember.
[21:56] <knome> right
[21:56] <knome> this is the logs for #xubuntu
[21:57] <knome> but...
[21:57] <knome> i don't remember where we point people nowadays
[21:57] <knome> i'd guess #xubuntu by the numbers :P
[21:59] <knome> i also checked if there were many potential duplicates, but that was like <5 than a month, so not considered here
[21:59] <knome> (method: see if the same nick joins two or more times a row)