[00:53] <R13ose> I added a small panel on the left side but everytime a new window is open for any app this appears.  How do I make this stop and only show the panel when I hover over?
[02:05] <user|65127> hello
[02:05] <user|65127> i have a question
[02:06] <user|65127> why kubunt 16.04 is soo lsow
[02:08] <user|65127> Had installed kubuntu 14 and when it was updated to version 16.04 it became very slow
[02:18] <pete_> what's a good program to use to test cpu?  stress? mprime?  other?
[02:33] <pete_> anyone here can answer?
[03:07] <MK> Hm, when I open Discover, it lists 0 items installed. How can I get it to populate with what I have installed?
[03:08] <MK> Huh, it doesn't list anything when I search either
[04:56] <mozammel> my Kmail cant give email suggestion, big pain.  using KDE 5.8.5, Kubuntu , any help please..
[08:33] <akik> i'd like to have "umount usb device" instead of "safely remove device" in kubuntu 14.04. is this possible?
[08:38] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:03] <kcroot_> hi day
[09:14] <lordievader> o/
[09:15] <Mrokii> Hello. Is there any chance that KDE 5.9 will be installable on Kubuntu 16.10 or will we have to wait for 17.04 or something?
[10:04] <moofang> hi. is there a way I can get the PIM events calendar plugin for the calendar plasmoid? I recently went up to Plasma 5.8 and still don't seem to have it - just holidays
[10:12] <jubo2> I need printer that will work with Kubuntu
[10:13] <jubo2> So do I need Postscript or what's the deal these days?
[10:31] <akik> jubo2: just check whether the printer manufacturer provides linux support for the printer (ppd files to be used with cups)
[10:31] <akik> ps/pcl5/pcl6 i think all good
[10:41] <jubo2> akik: Ok saved info. Thank you.
[10:54] <BluesKaj> HI folks
[10:54] <jubo2> hiya BluesKaj
[10:54] <BluesKaj> hey jubo2
[12:26] <Bullebak> Hi There. I am trying to install Kubuntu 16.10 on VirtualBox in Windows10. I downloaded the .iso and created VirtualBox. It boots and loads the K Desktop screen, but as soon as the loading bar completes, the screen fades to black and all I can see is the mouse cursor. Please help! I am getting no joy from searching on Google.
[12:34] <Bullebak> Hi There. I am trying to install Kubuntu 16.10 on VirtualBox in Windows10. I downloaded the .iso and created VirtualBox. It boots and loads the K Desktop screen, but as soon as the loading bar completes, the screen fades to black and all I can see is the mouse cursor. Please help! I am getting no joy from searching on Google.
[12:39] <BluesKaj> Bullebak,  best to ask in #vbox chat
[12:42] <user|77448> would it be appropriate to run kubuntu in virtualbox?
[12:43] <user|77448> I apologise for the crude question
[12:43] <Bullebak> Done it all my life so far. Just this latest version 16 giving me all my hell
[12:43] <user|77448> it's just that virtualbox limits the graphics memory to 128MB
[12:43] <user|77448> and KDE looks a bit heavy, graphic wise
[12:44] <user|77448> .. maybe I should go for MATE flavour
[12:44] <user|77448> or even Lubuntu
[12:44] <Bullebak> Mmmmm, now you might have a point. Going to push that up. Do not think it is set to 128MB in the first place!
[12:45] <user|77448> lol
[12:45] <lordievader> Heard more people with vbox + latest Kubuntu trouble.
[12:45] <akik> Bullebak: you can make it go up to 256
[12:45] <lordievader> In the sameway Bullebak does.
[12:45] <BluesKaj> my understnding is that one can set graphics memory to as mucj as the RAM can handle
[12:46] <akik> Bullebak: VBoxManage modifyvm "Name of VM" --vram 256
[12:46] <user|77448> how do you make virtualbox graphic memory run up to 256? afaik it's only possible if the vm is a Windows one
[12:47] <mparillo> if you find a solution (or work-around), could you add it to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/1627348
[12:48] <mparillo> I think the original bug report was on real HW, but I can only replicate the bug in VirtualBox.
[12:50] <Bullebak> No joy. Pushing up video memory did not make a difference. I am trying to install it and I do not even get to a screen that says "Try Kubuntu" or "Install Kubuntu"
[12:51] <BluesKaj> guess I was out to lunch on the vb virt memory :-)
[12:53] <Bullebak> Thanks ubottu, I am trying to read on Launchpad now...
[12:54] <akik> Bullebak: did you enable 3d acceleration?
[12:55] <mparillo> Bullebak: I have found that I can get to the installer anyway. Just hit <alt> <F1> to bring up the kicker application launcher. Then start typing install, and you will see the install program.
[12:56] <BluesKaj> the windows key works as well
[12:59] <daum> hi guys just upgraded my kubuntu 14 (just regular package upgrades) and now when I go to login it accpets my password and then just hangs any ideas?
[13:00] <BluesKaj> daum, how did you upgrade?
[13:00] <daum> BluesKaj, apt-get upgrade
[13:00] <BluesKaj> from ?
[13:00] <daum> command line
[13:01] <daum> then the notifier came that system reboot was required to complete
[13:01] <daum> so I did that it gets to the login screen, takes my password, then just hangs after it clears out the different users to choose from for login
[13:01] <BluesKaj> oh regular package upgrade., ok
[13:02] <daum> yeah - wasn't a core version bump
[13:02] <BluesKaj> did you try ther recovery kernel in grub then dpkg repair
[13:03] <daum> i can get to the command line and login fine - what package should i repair though?
[13:04] <BluesKaj> just try another update/upgrade, however it could be your graphics driver isn't working
[13:04] <daum> i do see in /var/log/lightdm/x-0-greeter.log a "Type error: result of expressoin 'button' [null] is not an object"  looks like it's coming from /usr/share/kde4/apps/lightdm-kde-greeter/themese/userbar/ListButton.qml:31
[13:05] <daum> running another upgrade
[13:07] <Bullebak> My goodness! Akik, thanks the 3D excelleration worked and it now boots, however, I still get no option like at http://docs.kubuntu.org/docs/installation.html#install-process
[13:07] <daum> BluesKaj, nope no luck=\
[13:07] <Bullebak> I mean that it does not offer me the option to install. It just boots up as a live CD
[13:07] <BluesKaj> daum, in the  VT/TTY try startx
[13:08] <daum> i do see also Bus::open: Cannot get ibus-daemons address
[13:08] <daum> BluesKaj, hm no luck it goes to black screen when i do that
[13:09] <Bullebak> I now saw mpatillo's comment. Will try that thanks...
[13:09] <BluesKaj> daum, which gpu?
[13:09] <daum> last few lines areLoading extension GLX, Kernel modesetting enabled, AIGLX: Suspending AIGLX clients for VT switch
[13:09] <daum> looking one sec
[13:10] <BluesKaj> daum, are you using lightdm ?  recommend kdm for kde/kubuntu
[13:10] <daum> BluesKaj, radeon 6750
[13:11] <daum> BluesKaj, i believe so - it just was the default one when i installed?
[13:11] <akik> Bullebak: good. i think it's a bit sad that everything starts to require 3d acceleration
[13:15] <BluesKaj> daum, wonder if your driver was borked , try installing xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu or was your driver the radeon ?
[13:15] <lordievader> daum: You can login through a tty?
[13:15] <daum> looks like i had the xserver-xorg-video-radeon before
[13:15] <BluesKaj> he's already there
[13:16] <lordievader> daum: If so, is the file system for /home full?
[13:16] <daum> yep lordievader i cna ... also xinit works get a termianl on screen
[13:16] <daum> lordievader, nope 80%
[13:16] <daum> startx still produces just blank black screen
[13:16] <lordievader> daum: Hmm, you could see if a fresh user has the same troubles.
[13:16] <BluesKaj> daum, then try reinstalling the radeon again
[13:16] <BluesKaj> and dkms
[13:16] <lordievader> That way you know if it is your user profile or the system itself.
[13:17] <daum> BluesKaj, would dpkg-reconfigure be enough on those?
[13:17] <daum> lordievader, will create new user real quick now as a test
[13:18] <BluesKaj> daum, dunno seldom use reconfigure
[13:18] <daum> BluesKaj, so you suggest uninstall then reinstall both?
[13:19] <BluesKaj> no just install them
[13:19] <daum> apt-get just says they are already installed and at latest version
[13:21] <daum> ah nevermind found the --reinstall
[13:25] <daum> BluesKaj, no luck=(
[13:26] <daum> BluesKaj, here is my xession-errors log: http://dpaste.com/3AV61BD
[13:27] <BuryTheHatchet> Greetings!  I wonder if you could help me with a little problem.  Over the last couple of days, my friend's 16.04 version Kubuntu has had a lot of upgrades.  The ones that came through yesterday, killed his install.
[13:27] <lordievader> daum: Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-daum" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[13:28] <lordievader> daum: Did you run gui programs through sudo?
[13:28] <BuryTheHatchet> I've had to take him back to 14.04 from a USB stick, because the other install was unrecoverable.  There was a kernel panic which I witnessed in the terminal, but couldn't record it as nothing would work and we couldn't log in.
[13:28] <daum> lordievader, i shouldn't have not that i can think of aside from the sometimes kdesu kate (to edit a few root files)
[13:28] <lordievader> daum: sudo chown daum:daum /var/tmp/kdecache-daum
[13:29] <daum> though, actually i wonder if yesterday i totally botched a command and ran rm /var/cache/ -rf
[13:29] <daum> didn't even think of this til just now
[13:29] <daum> when i meant to run rm var/cache -rf for an application ...i wonder if that caused some weirdness now
[13:29] <BuryTheHatchet> The problem we have now is that I smell a kernel bug in the latest version, but he's getting told there is a new version available, and I daren't take him up to 16.04 in case the panic resurfaces.
[13:30] <lordievader> daum: There is lightdm stuff in /var/cache: sudo apt-get install --reinstall lightdm
[13:31] <daum> lordievader, tried - no luck
[13:31] <daum> shouldn't startx not require anything from lightdm
[13:33] <lordievader> True
[13:33] <BluesKaj> what about kdm ?
[13:34] <lordievader> You are running startx right? Do you have 'startkde' (or startplasma whatever it is these days) in your xinitrc?
[13:35] <daum> lordievader, where would that file be?
[13:36] <lordievader> daum: In your homedir ~/.xinitrc
[13:36] <daum> hm don't have anything there=\
[13:36] <daum> BluesKaj, also just installed kdm rebooting to give 'er a try too
[13:36] <BluesKaj> sudo dpkg - reconfigure kdm
[13:37] <daum> BluesKaj, it goes to a black screen after login
[13:37] <lordievader> daum: Add: exec startkde
[13:38] <lordievader> Then run startx as daum.
[13:38] <daum> "exec startkde not found"
[13:38] <lordievader> Does 'startkde' exist on your system?
[13:39] <daum> nope
[13:39] <daum> i swear i didn't just delete /usr/bin/ stuff haha
[13:39] <lordievader> Ah, that might be the problem. You are running trusty right?
[13:40] <daum> yeah
[13:40] <lordievader> Probably easiest to do: sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[13:40] <daum> 14.04.5
[13:40] <lordievader> !info kde-meta trusty
[13:40] <lordievader> Hmm, forgot how the kde/plasma meta package for Trusty was called.
[13:40] <lordievader> !info startkde
[13:41] <lordievader> Hmm -.-
[13:42] <daum> lordievader, http://dpaste.com/0ADQT3P from the install kubuntu-deskto
[13:42] <lordievader> Ooee, interesting.
[13:43] <lordievader> daum: Any ppa's enabled?
[13:43] <daum> yah a java and php one
[13:43] <lordievader> Hmm, that shouldn't matter.
[13:43] <lordievader> Can you (re)install the plasma-desktop one?
[13:44] <daum> which?
[13:44] <daum> i could do a dist upgrade
[13:44] <daum> haha
[13:44] <daum> will that may work?
[13:44] <BluesKaj> workspace most likely
[13:45] <daum> BluesKaj, hm/
[13:45] <BluesKaj> kde or plasma workspace
[13:46] <BluesKaj> forgotten , which it is on kde4
[13:46] <lordievader> daum: Make sure the plasma-desktop package is installed.
[13:46] <daum> hm well i'm happy to upgrade to kubuntu 16
[13:47] <daum> lordievader, kde-workplace-bin is installed not plasma-desktop
[13:47] <lordievader> daum: So install plasma-desktop ;)
[13:47] <daum> it won't let me=(
[13:48] <lordievader> daum: Please paste the output.
[13:48] <BluesKaj> kubuntu-desktop then
[13:48] <daum> http://dpaste.com/10XEEYB
[13:48] <lordievader> BluesKaj: One at a time, kubuntu-desktop depends on plasma-desktop anyways.
[13:49] <BluesKaj> or vice-versa
[13:49] <lordievader> daum: Okay, this is going to be tedious, but everytime it tells you of a package, in this case 'plasma-widgets-workspace', try to install it manually.
[13:50] <lordievader> daum: Ultimately you will find one dependency which refuses to be installed. Most likely due to a version mismatch.
[13:50] <daum> ha this can quickly go down a rabbit hole the next one has 3 depends
[13:51] <lordievader> That is what I meant with tedious ;)
[13:51] <daum> weird
[13:51] <daum> http://dpaste.com/3EDB3JJ
[13:51] <BluesKaj> daum, yes I found if you choose the last dependency in the list the rest fasll in line, not always, but mostly
[13:52] <daum> shouldn't that progression not have results in an install?
[13:52] <daum> sorry, resulted in an install
[13:53] <lordievader> daum: Seems like you can backtrack ;)
[13:53] <lordievader> Unles kdepim-runtime still complains...
[13:54] <daum> yep that installed
[13:54] <daum> woo plasma workspace installed
[13:54] <daum> and startkde is there
[13:54] <lordievader> daum: And plasma-desktop?
[13:54] <daum> we're cooking!
[13:54] <daum> and we're back
[13:54] <BluesKaj> :-)
[13:55] <daum> so any ideas why it couldn't just run that install itself?
[13:55] <BluesKaj> depenency order
[13:56] <BluesKaj> dependency even
[13:56] <lordievader> daum: Good question.
[13:56] <daum> well eitherway thank you very much for the help
[13:56] <lordievader> daum: No problem ;)
[13:56] <daum> weird
[13:57] <lordievader> Glad it works again.
[13:57] <daum> that deleted my mysql server
[13:57] <lordievader> In favor of maria-db?
[13:57] <daum> hmm not sure - right now no mysql is running it seems
[13:57] <daum> well whatever i'll deal with this later should probably get to work
[13:57] <lordievader> It installed mariadb-server-core, mariadb is a drop-in replacement for mysql.
[13:58] <daum> i'll also do a dist-upgrade tomorrow and hopeuflly some of this resolves itself haha
[13:58] <daum> yah it was that akondai backend i think required some other version of mysql that wasn't 5.6 which i had instlaled
[13:59] <BluesKaj> daum, if you want to upgrade to 16.04 , sudo do-release-upgrade is now the command
[13:59] <daum> oh yah it switched it out for maria which for some reason ins't starting
[13:59] <lordievader> daum: Oh, any error in the logs?
[14:00] <daum> yeah - seems to think the logfile is corrupted http://dpaste.com/2TW4HA8
[14:04] <daum> looks like some people say to remove that file after switching over and it'll work
[14:04] <daum> will try that afte ri backup the directory
[14:04] <daum> thanks again for all the help guys!
[14:05] <BluesKaj> daum, yw
[14:11] <BuryTheHatchet> Sorry guys, I'm gonna have to fly.  I'll have to come back to you later when I get the chance to sort this out.  See ya.
[16:01] <Reni3> hello
[16:02] <Reni3> i am just on my android tablet so I can only type slowly
[16:02] <Reni3> my kubuntu has a problem
[16:02] <Reni3> it boots into initrms
[16:03] <Reni3> busybox
[16:03] <Reni3> I tried to run fsck but it did not work because the hard drive was mounted
[16:03] <Reni3> i went to a call shop and burned a kubuntu 16.10 desktop DVD
[16:04] <Reni3> normally there should be a menu when starting from DVD where I can select to repair the system
[16:04] <Reni3> unfortunately I do not get such a menu
[16:04] <Reni3> my kubuntu live dvd starts into the live system
[16:05] <BluesKaj> run e2fsck /dev/sdX , X being sda or whatever the deive is named
[16:05] <Reni3> when I then try to run fsck I receive the message that the drive was in use
[16:05] <Reni3> BluesKay ok please do not walk away I try it
[16:05] <Reni3> sorry I am typing really slow from my tablet
[16:06] <BluesKaj> np, take your time
[16:06] <Reni3> damn I am so stupid, i have a lice cd running
[16:06] <Reni3> wait I can reconnect from my PC
[16:06] <momken> Hello
[16:07] <Reni3> BluesKaj please wait for 2 minutes I reconnect
[16:07] <momken> Did anybody install ttf-mscorefonts-installer?
[16:07] <momken> I think after its installation my fonts in firefox has changed to bad fonts
[16:07] <momken> Specially for Farsi letters
[16:11] <Reni3_> re
[16:11] <Reni3_> now I am connected using the live cd
[16:11] <BluesKaj> momken, only if you're using default in system settings>application style>Gnome application>GTK themes>Font
[16:12] <BluesKaj> choose a font there that works well and is readable in Firefox. momken
[16:12] <Reni3_> I am starting firefox so I can paste the output
[16:14] <Reni3_> BluesKaj: https://dpaste.de/2i8N/raw
[16:14] <BluesKaj> momken, firefox links to GTK settings for fonts
[16:14] <Reni3_> BluesKaj: https://dpaste.de/7TO9/raw
[16:15] <BluesKaj> Reni3_,umount  /dev/sdb , then run e2fsck dev/sdb again
[16:15] <BluesKaj> err /dev/sdb
[16:16] <Reni3_> that is what I tried / second paste shows the output
[16:17] <BluesKaj> if there's a problem e2fsck will ask you if you want to fix
[16:17] <Reni3_> I figured it is /dev/sdb2
[16:17] <Reni3_> Device     Boot    Start       End   Sectors   Size Id Type
[16:17] <Reni3_> /dev/sdb1           2048  15812607  15810560   7.6G 82 Linux swap / Solaris
[16:17] <Reni3_> /dev/sdb2  *    15812608 976771071 960958464 458.2G 83 Linux
[16:17] <BluesKaj> ru df -h to see which one
[16:17] <Reni3_> BluesKaj: there is an even bigger problem
[16:18] <Reni3_> e2fsck says everything was okaz
[16:18] <Reni3_> okay
[16:18] <Reni3_> root@kubuntu:/home/kubuntu# e2fsck /dev/sdb2
[16:18] <Reni3_> e2fsck 1.43.3 (04-Sep-2016)
[16:18] <Reni3_> /dev/sdb2: clean, 1701729/30031872 files, 28822136/120119808 blocks
[16:21] <Reni3_> Here is an what fsck does>
[16:21] <Reni3_> https://dpaste.de/QTF3/raw
[16:22] <BluesKaj> oops my vpn disconnected
[16:23] <lordievader> Reni3_: What does the system say when it drops you in the busybox?
[16:23] <Reni3_> lordievader: not all too much, I get a line that says initrms or something like this
[16:24] <Reni3_> I am just on the live cd so I am not totally sure
[16:24] <BluesKaj> initramfs
[16:24] <Reni3_> yes, that
[16:24] <Reni3_> I always got a kernel panic when I typed exit
[16:24] <lordievader> Reni3_: You can access the root filesystem just fine from the live-cd?
[16:25] <momken_> BluesKaj: After disabling the option in Firefox->Preferences->Content->Fonts&Colors->Advanced to "Allow pages to choose their own fonts, instead of my selections above" it became as before
[16:25] <BluesKaj> lordievader, I had the same problem with 16.10 dual booting with windows 7 , must be a bug in grub
[16:25] <Reni3_> lordievader: I did not check that yet
[16:25] <Reni3_> lordievader: I am just running   fsck.ext4 -c /dev/sdb2
[16:25] <Reni3_> after this has finished, I can try to mount it
[16:25] <momken_> BluesKaj: It seems that many sites (like twitter) uses Microsoft fonts by default which can't be rendered properly in Kubuntu
[16:26] <lordievader> BluesKaj: No, this can have many different causes.
[16:26] <lordievader> Reni3_: Please do.
[16:26] <Reni3_> lordievader: while   fsck.ext4 -c /dev/sdb2  is running_
[16:26] <Reni3_> ?
[16:27] <BluesKaj> momken_, use the gtk font option as I mentioned if you're not happy witht hdefault
[16:27] <lordievader> Haha, no, after. Reni3_
[16:27] <Reni3_> I am not used to this english keyboard
[16:27] <Reni3_> lordievader: ok, the test is at 4,67 %
[16:27] <Reni3_> I guess it will take 25 minutes
[16:27] <Reni3_> is this okay for you or do you want me to interrupt it?
[16:28] <lordievader> Let it run, not sure if I will still be here 25 min later, but I'm sure others here can help you out.
[16:28] <momken_> BluesKaj: that is not changed and I guess it will not affect anything, because twitter chooses Arial (or other MS font) if available
[16:28] <lordievader> See if you can mount it, if you can and still get into the busybox please make a screenshot of it.
[16:28] <Reni3_> lordievader: I just realized it would take too long
[16:29] <Reni3_> 5% needed 7 minutes
[16:29] <Reni3_> so 100% would need 140 minutes
[16:29] <Reni3_> I interrupt it
[16:29] <BluesKaj> lordievader, busybox to initrams also mucked up my laptop bootup
[16:29] <BluesKaj> on 16.;10
[16:30] <Reni3_> yes I can access my harddrive
[16:30] <BluesKaj> and 17.04
[16:30] <Reni3_> lordievader: I mounted my hard drive
[16:30] <Reni3_> what now?
[16:31] <lordievader> Reni3_: You have access to the systemfiles?
[16:31] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Busybox is meant to troubleshoot the failed boot. Instead of just not booting it gives you a (minimal) shell to find out why it did not boot correctly.
[16:32] <Reni3_> lordievader: yes I have access to all system files
[16:32] <lordievader> Reni3_: Okay, good. Reboot I guess.
[16:32] <Reni3_> shall I chroot into the system?
[16:32] <Reni3_> when I reboot now, it will take a long time until I can be here again because my computer is slow
[16:33] <lordievader> Reni3_: Without any real clue on what the problem is... doesn't sound like the best idea.
[16:33] <Reni3_> ok then I try to reboot
[16:33] <BluesKaj> yes anfd I fixed it with e2fsck 3 times on my laptop after booting fro windows to kubuntu
[16:33] <Reni3_> thank you lordievader and BluesKaj
[16:34] <Reni3_> one last question
[16:34] <Reni3_> can I boot into a command line faster with the kubuntu live cd or do I have to boot it into the graphical KDE envoironment_
[16:34] <Reni3_> ?
[16:34] <Reni3_> this english keyboard drives me nuts
[16:36] <lordievader> Reni3_: Add
[16:36] <lordievader> 'text' to the kernel parameters.
[16:36] <lordievader> That will disable the boot to a GUI, won't matter much, just a little.
[16:37] <Reni3_> where?
[16:37] <Reni3_> it booted graphically right away without giving me grub
[16:37] <lordievader> Hold shift ;)
[16:38] <Reni3_> ok
[16:38] <Reni3_> lordievader: I have an important update
[16:38] <Reni3_> I ran>
[16:38] <Reni3_> umount /dev/sdb2
[16:38] <Reni3_> then I ran again:  fsck.ext4 -f /dev/sdb2
[16:38] <Reni3_> and now I get many errors
[16:38] <Reni3_> errors that were not there before
[16:38] <lordievader> Reni3_: sdb is the drive where the rootfs resides on?
[16:39] <BluesKaj> yup, had the3same thing
[16:39] <BluesKaj> errors on / and /home partitions
[16:39] <Reni3_> https://dpaste.de/nWR4/raw
[16:39] <Reni3_> is this now fixed_
[16:39] <Reni3_> ?
[16:39] <lordievader> Reni3_: Could you install 'smartmontools' and run 'sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdb'?
[16:40] <Reni3_> yes
[16:40] <BluesKaj> i won't see any errors
[16:40] <Reni3_> give me a moment I need to figure out if that works on the live cd
[16:40] <Reni3_> thank you for you help
[16:42] <Reni3_> lordievader: installed
[16:42] <Reni3_> sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdb or  sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdb2  ?
[16:43] <lordievader>  /dev/sdb
[16:43] <lordievader> smartctl is a tool which reads smart values of a disk, not a partition.
[16:44] <Reni3_> lordievader: https://dpaste.de/WJwB/raw
[16:45] <lordievader> Reni3_: Luckily no reallocated sectors, but quite a few pending sectors (464). I'd replace the drive. Or at least make a backup.
[16:46] <Reni3_> lordievader: Do you think I can work with that drive for the next 4 days until my project is finished, or could it break at any time?
[16:47] <lordievader> Reni3_: Nah, it should work. But it will only get worse from here on out.
[16:47] <lordievader> Anyhow, reboot and see if you can boot into your os.
[16:47] <Reni3_> ok
[16:47] <Reni3_> thank you!!!!
[16:47] <Reni3_> see you soon I give you feedback
[16:53] <Reni3> re
[16:53] <Reni3> i am on my tablet again
[16:53] <lordievader> o/
[16:53] <Reni3> initramfs when booting again
[16:53] <Reni3> what now?
[16:54] <Reni3> I can type into initramfs whatever you say
[16:54] <Reni3> I can only not paste from there
[16:54] <Reni3> but I can write you from my tablet what happens
[16:54] <lordievader> Does your tablet have a camera?
[16:55] <Reni3> yes
[16:55] <lordievader> Can you make a screenshot?
[16:55] <lordievader> !screenshot
[16:55] <Reni3> yes
[16:55] <Reni3> maybe there is a misunderstanding
[16:55] <Reni3> my tablet runs android and works perfectly
[16:56] <Reni3> my laptop is busted
[16:56] <Reni3> so I am now typing on my tablet because i have no other pc
[16:56] <lordievader> Reni3: Yes, I know.
[16:56] <Reni3> I can take a photo and upload it
[16:56] <lordievader> And I'd like to see what the laptop shows.
[16:56] <Reni3> PrtScr won't work
[16:56] <lordievader> Take the term screenshot a bit broader ;)
[16:57] <Reni3> yes I can take a photo
[16:59] <Reni3> https://filebin.net/re4jxbqekrzlyofe/20170224_175808.jpg
[16:59] <lordievader> Ah, very informative indeed :(
[16:59] <lordievader> Is lsblk available? And if so, does it list your drive?
[17:00] <Reni3> lsblk is not available
[17:00] <Reni3> did I type it correctly?
[17:00] <Reni3> lsblk
[17:00] <BluesKaj> smart didn't find anything wrong on my hdds after the intramfs/busybox, on both my pc and laptop, so i installed the 17.04 beta1 ..no more busybox . and i put neon-kde on my laptop , no more busy box
[17:01] <Reni3> I wrote exit and hit enter
[17:02] <Reni3> now I have a kernel panic
[17:02] <lordievader> Reni3: Yeah, don't do that.
[17:03] <lordievader> Reni3: Rather run 'ls /dev' and see if there is an sda in there.
[17:03] <Reni3> the shops close in 1 hour - should I get a new hard drive and install a new kubuntu?
[17:03] <lordievader> Reni3: That is the easy way out ;)
[17:03] <Reni3> is it 100% sure that it is the hard drive?
[17:04] <Reni3> and not something else
[17:04] <lordievader> In this case it is something else. But the drive is dying.
[17:04] <lordievader> 'blkid' should be available.
[17:04] <Reni3> how can you know it is dying?
[17:04] <lordievader> Reni3: Smart told be.
[17:05] <lordievader> me*
[17:05] <Reni3> ok
[17:05] <Reni3> blkid is available
[17:05] <lordievader> Pending sectors and reallocated sectors are sign's of dying disks.
[17:05] <Reni3> maybe i mistaped it
[17:05] <lordievader> Reni3: No, blkid and lsblk are different commands ;) Anyhow, does blkid show your disk?
[17:06] <Reni3> https://filebin.net/re4jxbqekrzlyofe/20170224_180548.jpg
[17:08] <lordievader> Reni3: What is the output of 'ls /'?
[17:08] <Reni3> when I reinstall kubuntu - is 16.10 okay?   because BluesKay said 17.04 solved it for him
[17:08] <Reni3> ls -l shows me my / directory
[17:09] <lordievader> Reni3: I know, the root of the initramfs. I'd want to know where it expects the sysroot to be mounted.
[17:10] <BluesKaj> 17.04 beta1 , is a devel OS , Reni3 , it's not stable , but there no disk erroes
[17:12] <Reni3> https://filebin.net/re4jxbqekrzlyofe/20170224_181105.jpg
[17:12] <Reni3> I am going to buy a new hard drive
[17:13] <Reni3> BluesKaj  if I install 16.10 on a new hard drive, will i get errors again then?
[17:13] <lordievader> Reni3: You could try mounting the root-fs to /root and then running: exec switch_root -c /dev/console /root /sbin/init
[17:14] <Reni3> ho can i mount the root fs to /root?
[17:14] <Reni3> how
[17:15] <Reni3> i must leave really soon if i want to get an hard drive today, the stores close in 45 minutes
[17:15] <lordievader> mount /dev/sda2 /root
[17:15] <lordievader> Then go, this can be done later too ;)
[17:16] <Reni3> ok i run
[17:17] <Reni3> lordievader and bluesKaj   THANK YOU
[17:17] <Reni3> sorry that I leave but a new hard drive seems to be the best choice to save my working night
[17:18] <Reni3> I messsage you when all is safe and sound again
[17:18] <Reni3> have a great day!
[17:19] <BluesKaj> I'm still skeptical , but if you believe the smartmontools then it's your call
[17:22] <lordievader> I'd rather loose some money than loose data.
[17:24] <BluesKaj> loose data, better tighten it down so you don't lose it :-)
[17:24] <BluesKaj> same for your money
[17:26] <lordievader> Oh, whoops.
[18:10] <sepson> Bonsoir
[18:11] <BluesKaj> Hi sep
[18:11] <BluesKaj> sepson ;-)
[18:11] <sepson> j aimerais savoir si sous Ubuntu il est possible d installer Open ?
[18:13] <BluesKaj> !fr | sepson
[18:15] <sepson__> ou PPTP/isec
[18:15] <BluesKaj> openvpn , yes
[18:15] <sepson_> Depuis un NAS Qnap ?
[18:16] <BluesKaj> pptp is not  secure, and it's old
[18:16] <BluesKaj> Qnap?
[18:16] <sepson_> Nas Qnap
[18:17] <sepson_> j'aimerais me connecter de mon ordinateur sur mon NAS en openvpn
[18:18] <BluesKaj> sepson_,  reagarde, ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en français, veuillez taper /join #ubuntu-fr ou /join #ubuntu-qc. Merci.
[18:18] <sepson_> ok merci desolé  :-(
[19:17] <Reni3> re
[19:19] <Reni3> I just finished installing Kubuntu 16.10 on a brand new hard drive as my old one was kind of dying
[19:19] <Reni3> now I got 2 problems:
[19:19] <Reni3> 1) my WIFI worked during the installation.   Now, _after_ the installation has finished and after I booted into the real system, WIFI does not work any more.  The "Connect" button is inactive.
[19:20] <Reni3> 2) my USB mouse does not work.
[19:20] <Reni3> these 2 problems bug me
[20:06] <lordievader> Reni3: What is the output  of 'sudo rfkill list'?
[20:06] <Reni3> lordievader!
[20:06] <Reni3> nice to see you again!
[20:06] <lordievader> o/
[20:07] <Reni3> 0: phy0: Wireless LAN
[20:07] <Reni3>         Soft blocked: no
[20:07] <Reni3>         Hard blocked: no
[20:07] <Reni3> lordievader, you should know, that I ran "rfkill unblock wifi" just 1 minute ago
[20:07] <lordievader> So it does detect it... What is the actual problem?
[20:07] <lordievader> Right ;)
[20:08] <Reni3> lordievader, the problem is, that when I click the WIFI icon at the right bottom side of my screen (next to the clock) I cannot connect
[20:08] <Reni3> let me explain that a little better:
[20:08] <Reni3> Right Click => Configure Network Connections =>
[20:08] <Reni3> Then I click on the Connection which is already listed there as I was connected to my WIFI during the installation
[20:09] <Reni3> but the [CONNECT] button remains inactive (not clickable)
[20:09] <sintre> remove the listing
[20:09] <lordievader> Reni3: What does journalctl show during connecting?
[20:09] <Reni3> I also ran:
[20:09] <Reni3> sudo ubuntu-drivers list
[20:09] <sintre> then try again to have it search for your wifi
[20:09] <Reni3> sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[20:09] <Reni3> sudo ubuntu-drivers devices
[20:10] <Reni3> lordievader, journalctl gives an extreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemly large output that does not seem to end
[20:10] <Reni3> sintre, I feel like that does not work
[20:10] <sintre> did you try it?
[20:10] <Reni3> yes
[20:11] <Reni3> maybe I am looking at the wrong plac
[20:11] <sintre> then it didn't work
[20:11] <lordievader> Reni3: No, it is the systemlogger, I only want the stuff related to NetworkManager.
[20:11]  * Reni3 has a look at ifconfig
[20:12] <sintre> if this is a new install , maybe it would be best to start over , when installing DON'T select install updates when installing and connect
[20:12] <sintre> that seems to be root of problem
[20:12] <Reni3> https://dpaste.de/yWhB/raw
[20:13] <Reni3> you really want me to reinstall that all?!
[20:13] <lordievader> Reni3: PLease do pastebin an excerpt of journalctl.
[20:13] <Reni3> ok lordievader
[20:14] <Reni3> I cannot get the whole output
[20:14] <sintre> Reni3> well could be better use of time , than going in circles , and if after it doesn't work we know to look at probally driver issues
[20:14] <Reni3> I must press ENTER to see more
[20:14] <Reni3> and then I press enter enter enter all the time,  and at the end, the first lines are gone
[20:14] <lordievader> Reni3: run 'sudo journalctl -f' then connect, select the NM stuff and pastebin that.
[20:15] <Reni3> I am just pastebinning the first
[20:15] <Reni3> https://dpaste.de/Enwh/raw
[20:16] <Reni3> here is the smaller output
[20:16] <Reni3> https://dpaste.de/z0bZ/raw
[20:17] <lordievader> During that second paste did you try to connect?
[20:17] <Reni3> no my connect button is disabled!!
[20:17] <Reni3> it's greyed out
[20:17] <Reni3> I cannot click it
[20:17] <Reni3> can I connect via command line?
[20:18] <lordievader> Check 'sudo rfkill list' output again.
[20:18] <Reni3> 0: phy0: Wireless LAN
[20:19] <Reni3>         Soft blocked: no
[20:19] <Reni3>         Hard blocked: no
[20:19] <lordievader> Wut?
[20:19] <Reni3> lordievader, erm... maybe I should tell you more at this point:
[20:19] <Reni3> as I could not connect via WIFI, I took my tablet (which is connected to my WIFI)
[20:19] <Reni3> and I connected my tablet to my Laptop via USB
[20:20] <Reni3> then I used the USB tethering to bring my Laptop online
[20:20] <Reni3> so basically my laptop thinks it was connected to the internet via LAN
[20:20] <Reni3> in reality it's more like this:
[20:20] <lordievader> Reni3: So? That should not matter.
[20:20] <Reni3> (Internet) => (WLAN-Router) => (Tablet) => via USB => to Laptop
[20:21] <lordievader> Reni3: Could you make a screenshot of your NM wiget
[20:21] <lordievader> widget*
[20:22] <Reni3> NM widget?
[20:22] <Reni3> what is that?
[20:22] <Reni3> the thing next to the clock which I try to connect with?
[20:22] <sintre> http://imgur.com/
[20:22] <lordievader> Yeah, the thing where you connect to wireless networks, etc.
[20:22] <Reni3> yes hold on
[20:22] <sintre> right click on the network icon bottom right of screen and open the configuration up
[20:22] <sintre> hit prnt screen key and picture should be inside picture folder
[20:23] <Reni3> yes - 1 moment please
[20:23] <Reni3> it saved the screenshot but I do not know where
[20:24] <lordievader> Probably in ~/Pictures
[20:24] <sintre> open dolphin
[20:24] <lordievader> '~' being your homedir ;)
[20:24] <Reni3> found it
[20:24] <Reni3> kde4 is really complicated ^.^
[20:24] <lordievader> 16.10 has plasma5, right?
[20:25] <Reni3> no idea
[20:25] <lordievader> Doesn't matter ;)
[20:25] <Reni3> I just switched to KDE 4 from KDE 3
[20:26] <Reni3> https://filebin.net/0p79p17nh563wasc/Screenshot_20170224_212418.png
[20:27] <Reni3> https://filebin.net/0p79p17nh563wasc/Screenshot_20170224_212605.png
[20:27] <Reni3> the first screenshot looks weird
[20:28] <lordievader> Does your laptop have those wifi-or-lan switches? A bios switch which allows only one to operate at a time?
[20:28] <Reni3> actually I do not think so
[20:28] <Reni3> my wifi always worked
[20:28] <Reni3> lordievader, you know my story, I only switched my hard drive
[20:28] <sintre> what brand computer your lappy?
[20:28] <Reni3> toshiba satellite
[20:29] <lordievader> Reni3: Okay, what does 'sudo iw dev wlp5s0 scan' output?
[20:29] <sintre> fn + f8
[20:29] <sintre> see if that turns it on
[20:30] <lordievader> sintre: Hardware switch didn't kill it ;) rfkill would show that.
[20:30] <Reni3> sintre, did not work
[20:30] <sintre> hmm
[20:30]  * sintre scratches head
[20:30] <Reni3> root@linux:/# sudo iw dev wlp5s0 scan
[20:30] <Reni3> command failed: Network is down (-100)
[20:30] <Reni3> maybe also good to know:
[20:30] <Reni3> according to lspci:
[20:30] <Reni3> 05:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188EE Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
[20:30] <Reni3> I installed ndiswrapper
[20:31] <Reni3> and tried to find a commercial driver but could not find the right one
[20:31] <lordievader> Reni3: Rfkill doesn't show it as blocked?
[20:31] <Reni3> no
[20:31] <lordievader> Ndiswrapper is seldomly necessary anymore.
[20:31] <lordievader> Reni3: sudo ip l s wlp5s0 up && sudo iw dev wlp5s0 scan
[20:32] <Reni3> root@linux:/# sudo ip l s wlp5s0 up && sudo iw dev wlp5s0 scan
[20:32] <Reni3> RTNETLINK answers: Operation not possible due to RF-kill
[20:32] <lordievader> So there is an rfkill at play.
[20:35] <Reni3> Hello?
[20:35] <lordievader> Reni3: Unblock it ;)
[20:35] <sintre> hi here
[20:36] <lordievader> Either through hardware or software, depending on the kind.
[20:37] <Reni3> I know what happened
 fn + f8
[20:37] <Reni3> that was the moment when I blocked it
[20:37] <lordievader> As I figured
[20:37] <Reni3> now it's unblocked, I pressed the buttons again
[20:37] <Reni3> root@linux:/# sudo ip l s wlp5s0 up && sudo iw dev wlp5s0 scan
[20:37] <Reni3> command failed: Device or resource busy (-16)
[20:37] <lordievader> Reni3: What does the scan tell you?
[20:37] <lordievader> Reni3: Give it a bit and rerun the command.
[20:37] <Reni3> root@linux:/# sudo ip l s wlp5s0 up && sudo iw dev wlp5s0 scan
[20:37] <Reni3> root@linux:/#
[20:38] <Reni3> it returns nothing
[20:38] <lordievader> You can run the scan command separately now ;)
[20:38] <Reni3> root@linux:/# sudo iw dev wlp5s0 scan
[20:38] <Reni3> root@linux:/#
[20:38] <lordievader> Hmmm
[20:38] <Reni3> it does not return anything
[20:38] <lordievader> It is a laptop right?
[20:38] <Reni3> yes
[20:39] <lordievader> Does it return nothing if your are next to the access point?
[20:40] <Reni3> the access point is directly next to the laptop
[20:40] <Reni3> 15 cm
[20:40] <lordievader> Ah
[20:42] <lordievader> http://askubuntu.com/questions/452315/problems-with-realtek-rtl8188ee-on-14-04 might help you...
[20:43] <sintre> ren3 > can you try laptop with a live cd or media?
[20:43] <sintre> reni3 sry
[20:44] <Reni3> sintre, it works with the live cd.  I used the live cd to install kubuntu
[20:44] <Reni3> lordievader, thank you I try it
[20:44] <sintre> if it work live then as i recomended start over
[20:44] <sintre> this gizmo type set up is confused something somewhere
[20:45] <sintre> so probally a update problem somwhere
[20:45] <Reni3> ok
[20:46] <Reni3> if lordievader's solution from stackoverflow does not work, I will re-install
[20:46] <sintre> its your time not mine
[20:46] <sintre> gl either way
[20:47] <lordievader> I expect that Reni3 will run into the same problem after updating his new install. Since that is what the checkbox does...
[20:47] <Reni3> *her
[20:47] <Reni3> I am just installing the needed things in apt-get
[20:48] <sintre> lordievader > not looking to have a pissin contest over trouble shooting tactics for her sake i hope your recommendation works
[20:48] <sintre> but i'm kind of lets not spend hours running in circle kind of person
[20:49] <lordievader> Agreed
[20:49]  * Reni3 runs "make"
[20:50] <lordievader> Reni3: Good luck.
[20:51] <Reni3> thank you
[21:00] <Reni3> lordievader, I followed the stackoverflow posting
[21:00] <Reni3> it went well - no errors
[21:01] <Reni3> what should I do now?
[21:01] <Reni3> restart?!
[21:06] <Reni3> I start over with the installation
[21:06] <Reni3> sintre?
[21:06] <Reni3> is there anything I should take care of while installing?
[21:06] <Reni3> the WIFI network was available _while_ installing
[21:06] <sintre> don't
[21:06] <Reni3> what should I take care of, when I start over?
[21:07] <sintre> uncheck that , and don't update while installing
[21:07] <sintre> only third party extras
[21:07] <Reni3> I could not click the 3rd party extras
[21:07] <Reni3> they were disabled
[21:07] <sintre> don't even have the pc hooked up
[21:07] <Reni3> I remember the checkboxes
[21:07] <sintre> to anything
[21:07] <Reni3> one was at top (the 3rd party extras)
[21:07] <sintre> except an ac outlet
[21:07] <Reni3> and one checkbox was below (the wifi)
[21:07] <sintre> no do not connect to internet during install
[21:07] <Reni3> ok
[21:08] <sintre> we'll update later
[21:08] <sintre> make sure you have your touters poasskey handy
[21:08] <sintre> routers
[21:08] <Reni3> you said:
 only third party extras
[21:08] <Reni3> the checkbox was disabled
[21:08] <Reni3> I could not check it
[21:08] <sintre> check that!
[21:08] <sintre> :)
[21:08] <sintre> it allows you to watch movie and media and such
[21:08] <Reni3> disabled means: "it's not possible to check it"
[21:09] <sintre> um what?
[21:09] <Reni3> wait, maybe I can find a screenshot on google images
[21:09] <sintre> btw what iso are you using for install?
[21:10] <Reni3> the 64 bit desktop iso
[21:10] <Reni3> 16.10
[21:10] <Reni3> I checked the md5sum after downloading, and verified the burned data
[21:11] <sintre> k i personally use 16.04.1
[21:11] <sintre> 16.04.2 just got released the other day
[21:11] <Reni3> that's what I used before (when the harddrive broke)
[21:11] <sintre> if you get the no option for unrestrited extras again
[21:11] <Reni3> I thought using the newest iso would be good
[21:11] <sintre> go back
[21:11] <sintre> sometimjes for some machines it is
[21:11] <Reni3> can I install them now?
[21:11] <Reni3> I forgot the name of it, but I remember that it was something like:
[21:12] <sintre> the extras yes
[21:12] <Reni3> kubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:12] <Reni3> I think that was the name
[21:12] <sintre> if your installing it should be an option
[21:12] <sintre> i think something happend with your upgrade
[21:12] <sintre> i again recomend fresh install
[21:12] <Reni3> yes I do it
[21:12] <Reni3> ok I am off
[21:12] <Reni3> thank you
[21:13] <Reni3> thank you sintre
[21:13] <sintre> gl i'll be around after your done
[21:13] <Reni3> thank you lordievader
[21:13] <buriedalive> stop the world
[21:13] <sintre> np Reni3
[21:13] <Reni3> thank will take about 30 - 45 minutes
[21:14] <buriedalive> Reni3 you gotcha
[21:14] <buriedalive> fuck
[21:15] <sintre> she hasn't done anything yet , she's just downloading iso atm i believe
[21:15] <genii> buriedalive: Please watch the swearing, channel is supposed to be PG
[21:15] <BluesKaj> buriedalive, no need for that language
[21:16] <buriedalive> sorry me people
[21:17] <buriedalive> BluesKaj sup
[21:18] <Reni3> I could not help it, and tried to reboot before starting over
[21:18] <Reni3> wifi works now
[21:18] <sintre> lol
[21:18] <sintre> gz
[21:19] <Reni3> i guess it was the stackoverflow posting
[21:19] <buriedalive> :-D
[21:19] <sintre> i also remember i said to unhook from your gizmo set up
[21:19] <sintre> so rdy to update what you got then?
[21:19] <Reni3> so we should all keep in mind:  even though windows and linux are not the same,  when it comes to a good old reboot, they can be quite alike
[21:19] <BluesKaj> calling it a day folks...take care
[21:19] <Reni3> sintre, rdy? what is that?
[21:19] <buriedalive> i'm glad to see ya
[21:19] <sintre> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[21:20] <sintre> rdy is short for ready
[21:20] <Reni3> I added that manually already
[21:20] <sintre> ok then sudo apt update
[21:20] <sintre> then sudo apt full-upgrade
[21:20] <Reni3> wait I upload my sources.list
[21:20] <Reni3> yes I also updated it already
[21:20] <Reni3> and did an apt-get upgrade
[21:21] <sintre> seems your good to go then
[21:21] <genii> Reni3: You should not put PPA entries directly into your main sources.list
[21:21] <buriedalive> how to full ubuntumaniac? he is write to sudo permanently :)
[21:22] <Reni3> deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu yakkety main restricted universe multiverse
[21:22] <Reni3> deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu yakkety-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[21:22] <Reni3> deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu yakkety-security main restricted universe multiverse
[21:22] <Reni3> deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu yakkety-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[21:22] <Reni3> this is my sources.list
[21:22] <Reni3> is anything missing?
[21:23] <Reni3> ...
[21:23] <genii> !pastebin
[21:23] <buriedalive> got it much
[21:23] <genii> ..for next time
[21:23] <Reni3> ok
[21:25] <sintre> Reni3 > any other config issues you miight need help with
[21:25] <Reni3> sintre, yes my mouse
[21:26] <sintre> blu tooth wireless / wired?
[21:26] <Reni3> it would be really mouse if I could use my nice
[21:26] <Reni3> vice versa
[21:26] <Reni3> it's a USB mouse
[21:26] <sintre> so it doesn't auto detect when you plug it in?
[21:26] <Reni3> no
[21:27] <sintre> ok err, i know this sounds bad but you probally are still staring at a reinstall
[21:27] <sintre> so get to downloading
[21:27] <sintre> try all usb ports?
[21:27] <genii> If you're plugging it into a USB3 port ( usually blue) try USB2
[21:27] <Reni3> the same problem with all ports
[21:27] <sintre> second if you have a second mouse that you xcan test would be helpful as well
[21:27] <Reni3> I ran a tail -f /var/log/syslog
[21:28] <buriedalive> cheers!
[21:28] <Reni3> sintre, I only have 1 mouse - it worked until I set up my computer from new
[21:28] <sintre> something happend with your install reni3
[21:28] <sintre> or upgrade
[21:28] <buriedalive> I ran = Iran :-D
[21:28] <sintre> not even being able to detect a mouse is very unusual
[21:29] <Reni3> https://dpaste.de/TEhO/raw
[21:29] <Reni3> it detects the mouse
[21:29] <Reni3> but it does not work
[21:29] <Reni3> my touchpad works
[21:29] <sintre> ok if you know that mouse works
[21:29] <sintre> and its not working again same issue with your wifi
[21:30] <genii> Reni3: Please try: unplug the mouse. Wait 15 seconds. Replug the mouse. Wait 15 seconds. Then issue: dmesg| tail -n25   ...and put the results into a pastebin which we can go see
[21:30] <Reni3> genii, ok
[21:30] <buriedalive> my mouese it does work tooo
[21:30] <Reni3> unplugged
[21:31] <sintre> buriedalive> seems you've had some drinks but in a trouble shooting session random pointless comments don't help
[21:31] <buriedalive> sintre f little bit jokes today
[21:32] <genii> buriedalive: If you are not assisting a user, or receiving assistance, it's better not to annoy others with nonsense
[21:32] <Reni3> https://dpaste.de/swDK/raw
[21:33] <buriedalive> I'm here long time
[21:33] <genii> buriedalive: For nonsense, we have the #kubuntu-offtopic channel.
[21:33] <sintre> after unplugging it did it work?
[21:33] <sintre> as genii suggested
[21:33] <Reni3> sintre, no it did not work
[21:33] <buriedalive> just please
[21:33] <sintre> download the iso over again
[21:34] <sintre> if we can figure it out without a reinstall we will , but at this point i don't trust your install
[21:34]  * genii sips
[21:34] <genii> Interesting. The system sees your mouse as a keyboard
[21:34] <Reni3> oh damn
[21:34] <Reni3> wait
[21:34] <sintre> yea at this point , plus wifi works rnadomly
[21:34] <sintre> i think safest bet now is reinstall
[21:35] <Reni3> god
[21:35] <Reni3> when I tell you something
[21:35] <genii> You might want to update the usb id list
[21:35] <Reni3> please, please promise you won't hate on me
[21:35] <sintre> we promise what
[21:35] <buriedalive> why?
[21:35] <Reni3> ok I will tell you anyway
[21:35] <Reni3> when genii said:
 Interesting. The system sees your mouse as a keyboard
[21:35] <sintre> buriedalive> don't push us
[21:36] <Reni3> I realized that I had my keyboard plugged it, rather than my mouse
[21:36] <Reni3> when plugging in the mouse, it works all of a sudden
[21:36] <sintre> lol ok does the mouse work now
[21:36] <sintre> :)
[21:36] <Reni3> yes!
[21:36] <Reni3> sorry
[21:36] <sintre> success!
[21:36] <Reni3> !!!
[21:36] <Reni3> yeeeah
[21:36] <genii> buriedalive: If you persist in being annoying, you will give me no choice but to give you a small ban
[21:36] <sintre> np happy ending kinda
[21:36] <buriedalive> sintre puch ti you? :)
[21:36] <sintre> but pls still download that iso for backup sake
[21:36] <Reni3> last problem:
[21:36] <Reni3> aptitude search google-chrome
[21:37] <sintre> genii > i can't commubnicate with this fool
[21:37] <Reni3> ^ gives no results
[21:37] <sintre> warned 6 times now
[21:37] <genii> Work, AFK a bit
[21:37] <sintre> so you want to install google chrome?
[21:37] <Reni3> sintre, yes, the original one
[21:37] <Reni3> not chromium
[21:38] <sintre> hmm not sure the difference
[21:38] <sintre> hmm might need to wait around a bit
[21:38] <sintre> i don't use the broswer so i don't know the name exactly
[21:40] <sintre> https://betanews.com/2016/09/25/how-to-install-google-chrome-ubuntu-linux/
[21:40] <Reni3> thank you!
[21:40] <sintre> best thing i could find
[21:40] <Reni3> I would like to thank all of you
[21:40] <Reni3> especially sintre, lordievader and also genii
[21:40] <sintre> np remember to come back :)
[21:40] <Reni3> you saved me ass several times today
[21:40] <sintre> and stop by kubuntu-offtopic as well
[21:41] <Reni3> ok!
[21:56] <Reni3> is it okay to remove the package "kubuntu-settings-desktop" ?
[21:56] <Reni3> Is that a meta package that can be removed safely?
[21:56] <sintre> what is asking you to remove it?
[21:57] <Reni3> https://dpaste.de/pgQ9/raw
[21:57] <sintre> ok did you run the apt full-upgrade command
[21:58] <sintre> that will remove and replace packages as needed
[21:58] <Reni3> after adding the new repository?
[21:58] <sintre> yes
[21:58] <Reni3> I ran it before I added the new repo
[21:58] <sintre> run it now
[21:58] <sintre> first apt update
[21:58] <sintre> sudo apt update
[21:58] <sintre> then sudo apt-full-upgrade
[21:59] <sintre> new repo is where you need the packages from
[21:59] <Reni3> I suppose you mean:
[21:59] <Reni3> apt-get full-upgrade
[21:59] <sintre> no
[21:59] <sintre> sudo apt update
[22:00] <sintre> the get command isn't needed in new apt
[22:00] <Reni3> apt-full-upgrade is not a command
[22:00] <sintre> stop witht eh dashes
[22:00] <sintre> sudo apt update
[22:00] <sintre> copy and past that exactly
[22:01] <Reni3> that's a normal update!
[22:01] <Reni3> of course I ran that!
[22:01] <Reni3> after I added the repo
[22:01] <sintre> now sudo apt full-upgrade   <this one needs the dash
[22:02] <Reni3> that gave me 3 upgraded and 1 new package
[22:02] <sintre> hit y
[22:03] <Reni3> I did and installed it
[22:03] <sintre> and now your all up to date , new stuff lands weekly at min
[22:03] <sintre> so run same commands later in week
[22:03] <Reni3> I still receive the same error with the stuff that caused the problem originally
[22:03] <sintre> and don't just go around deleting stuff :)
[22:03] <sintre> ok what error is this
[22:04] <Reni3> the same as before
[22:04] <Reni3> wait I paste it
[22:04] <Reni3> https://dpaste.de/Tzmd/raw
[22:05] <sintre> ok something is weird here
[22:05] <Reni3> https://dpaste.de/Yq69/raw
[22:05] <sintre> really redownload the iso and get ready to reinstall
[22:05] <sintre> thats not an error lol
[22:05] <sintre> just hit yes
[22:05] <Reni3> I guess this is a 3rd party repo problem
[22:06] <sintre> its just telling you it has to remove packages
[22:06] <Reni3> sintre, are you aware that this will remove a package?
[22:06] <sintre> yes its supposed to
[22:06] <Reni3> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[22:06] <Reni3>   kubuntu-settings-desktop
[22:06] <sintre> they aren't relevant to the new apps
[22:06] <sintre> just click yes
[22:06] <Reni3> will KDE 4 die because of this?
[22:06] <sintre> it will REPLACE it
[22:06] <sintre> it will be fine pls trust me on this one
[22:06] <Reni3> let's see
[22:07]  * Reni3 runs it
[22:07] <Reni3> downloading near 1 GB now
[22:07] <Reni3> thank you sintre
[22:07] <sintre> after its finished reboot and rejoin us
[22:07] <sintre> np i know it scary sometimes using terminal like this but it gets easier :)
[22:08] <Reni3> I am leaving and brb
[22:08] <Reni3> thank you again!
[22:41] <Reni3> re
[22:41] <Reni3> the installation was successful
[22:41] <Reni3> I have one more question I'd like to ask
[22:41] <sintre> go for it
[22:42] <Reni3> as you probably got to know, my old hard drive caused some trouble today, why I replaced it with a new one
[22:42] <Reni3> however, the old hard drive can still be mounted
[22:42] <Reni3> I bought a device that let's me connect my laptop's old 2,5" hard drive to my laptop via USB
[22:43] <Reni3> this way, I would like to read the data from the harddrive
[22:43] <sintre> ok use that it should auto find it
[22:43] <Reni3> https://dpaste.de/MAdz/raw
[22:43] <sintre> and basicly copy ands paste data from funky drive to new one
[22:43] <Reni3> theyes but the device is not recognized (see paste)
[22:43] <sintre> ok go to lil k at vbottom
[22:43] <Reni3> ?
[22:43] <Reni3> what
[22:44] <sintre> then system then dolphin
[22:44] <sintre> at bottom left corner there is a lil k
[22:44] <Reni3> what is "lil k" and what is "vbottom" ?
[22:44] <sintre> k and a lil stuff around them is your menu lol
[22:44] <Reni3> the K menu?
[22:44] <sintre> bottom left
[22:44] <sintre> yes
[22:44] <Reni3> ah! lil = little?
[22:44] <sintre> yes i abreviate alot sry
[22:44] <Reni3> dolphin is open
[22:45] <sintre> ok click on the connected drive
[22:45] <Reni3> nah 'ts gd t shrtn thngs
[22:45] <sintre> it should mount it and give you acess if the drive isn't completely defective
[22:45] <Reni3> the device is not listed there as it is not recognized
[22:45] <Reni3> I pasted you the output of tail -f /var/log/syslog
[22:45] <sintre> then its not mounted
[22:45] <Reni3> and it gives an error
[22:46] <Reni3> it's not mountable
[22:46] <Reni3> https://dpaste.de/MAdz/raw
[22:46] <sintre> so is this a cable or an external hdd you got it in
[22:47] <sintre> its seeing something is connected
[22:47] <Reni3> sintre, it's a special device to connect internal harddrives externally
[22:47] <sintre> thats basicly a cable with a cheap controller i assume
[22:47] <genii> Hm, jmicron
[22:47] <sintre> one take it out
[22:47] <sintre> and make sure the conecction is very snug
[22:48] <sintre> then make sure to plug it back into a 2.0 usb port on your laptop
[22:48] <Reni3> https://img.conrad.at/medias/global/ce/5000_5999/5900/5930/5933/1277995_AB_01_FB.EPS_1000.jpg
[22:48] <genii> Reni3: The drive itself... is it a SATA connector or older IDE ribbon type connector? ( but smaller since it's a 2.5" laptop drive)
[22:49] <Reni3> genii, not sure how to tell the difference
[22:49] <genii> If IDE, then aside from the usb-storage driver which Ubuntu would normally load for such things, the pata-jmicron driver may need to be manually loaded
[22:49] <sintre> look at the drive
[22:50] <Reni3> I try to find a google image that looks the same
[22:50] <Reni3> brb
[22:50] <sintre> look at the drive with your eyes and see what it says :)
[22:50] <genii> Reni3: Left or right kind of connector? http://cdn.makeuseof.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/SATA03.png
[22:50] <sintre> once you get back and all
[22:51] <Reni3> no genii
[22:51] <Reni3> genii, https://vanguardgamingsite.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/sata-drive.jpg
[22:51] <genii> Yes, so SATA
[22:51] <sintre> ok and your gizmo is for sata drives
[22:51] <sintre> so unplug make sure it snug
[22:52] <sintre> then plug back into a usba 2.0 port on laptop
[22:52] <sintre> thats like a plug and play external controler gizmo
[22:52] <Reni3> I unplugged and replugged it and nothing happened
[22:52] <sintre> if this doesnt't work i would suggest a cheap 120 dollar exernal enxclosure
[22:52] <genii> Odd that dmesg says linux kernel: [ 4843.774330] usb 3-1: Product: USB to ATA/ATAPI bridge
[22:52] <sintre> i mean 20 dollars sry
[22:52] <Reni3> not even the syslog says anything
[22:53] <sintre> can you confirm you gizmo works with another sata drive?
[22:53] <Reni3> sintre, it's from Conrad, that's a tech store who really knows what they sell
[22:53] <Reni3> sintre, it's the only sata drive I have
[22:54] <sintre> well they may know something , but without another hdd to test
[22:54] <sintre> we can't confirm if its dead or you have a bad gizmo
[22:54] <Reni3> I see
[22:55] <sintre> https://www.amazon.com/Upgraded-Sabrent-2-5-Inch-Enclosure-EC-UK30/dp/B00LS31KQG/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1487976892&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=notebook+hdd+enxlosure
[22:55] <sintre> something like this
[22:55] <sintre> 10-15 bucks
[22:55] <sintre> i would invest before you toss the drive
[22:55] <sintre> i have 3 , not this one but similar
[22:55] <Reni3> ok
[22:55] <Reni3> thank you1
[22:56] <genii> Reni3: Please unplug it, wait 15 seconds. Then issue: sudo modprobe jmicron    ...then replug it, wait 15 seconds. Then: dmesg|tail -n25     ..to a pastebin for us
[22:57] <Reni3> genii, modprobe: FATAL: Module jmicron not found in directory /lib/modules/4.8.0-39-generic
[22:57] <genii> From looking into the vendor:device it looks like it has some combo SATA/PATA to USB chipset
[22:58] <sintre> if you can return gizmo and get a pure sata exernal
[22:58] <sintre> what i would do
[22:58] <Reni3> so the problem is that it features both?
[22:58] <sintre> no idea , gizmo could be defective , but the hdd could also be trashed
[22:59] <genii> Reni3: Try instead then: sudo modprobe pata-jmicron
[22:59] <sintre> might as well elimate one possability
[22:59] <genii> ( and then the dmesg and pastebin)
[23:00] <Reni3> genii, https://dpaste.de/Sgpj/raw
[23:01] <genii> Well, at least it's not trying to use MTP now
[23:02] <sintre> try to use dolphin to access it
[23:02] <Reni3> sintre, what in god name would that change?
[23:02] <sintre> testing
[23:02] <Reni3> when no device is assigned to it at all
[23:03] <Reni3> tail -f /var/log/syslog would be the first place to look
[23:03] <genii> sintre: It disconnected again, had some issue trying to query it
[23:03] <Reni3> if that does not assign any /dev/ device, how would dolphin know how to use it?
[23:03] <Reni3> once there is a device, I can   mount /dev/whatever /mount/to/
[23:03] <Reni3> that's the same dolphin does
[23:03] <Reni3> similar
[23:06] <sintre> ok how about this , if no other hdd , do you have another system you can plug your gizmo and hdd into?
[23:06] <sintre> you said you have a tablet
[23:06] <sintre> do you have a micro usb adapter?
[23:07] <Reni3> no micro usb adapter around
[23:07] <Reni3> what I wonder:
[23:08] <Reni3> there is no drivers CD being shipped with the device
[23:08] <Reni3> it would work out of the box like a normal external HD
[23:08] <sintre> all my external enclosure and cables work out the box
[23:09] <sintre> i think you need to get to store and trade out your gizmo
[23:09] <genii> Hm, error 62 is apparently it took too long to respond
[23:09] <Reni3> damn it
[23:09] <Reni3> genii!
[23:09] <Reni3> it works
[23:09] <Reni3> I unplugged it
[23:09] <Reni3> and re-plugged it
[23:09] <Reni3> and unplugged it
[23:09] <Reni3> and replugged it
[23:09] <Reni3> and now I got a device assigned
[23:09] <Reni3> how can this be?
[23:09] <sintre> whoot
[23:10] <Reni3> I am now immediately backing up the HD
[23:10] <genii> Maybe give it longer than usual for it to get settled.
[23:10] <sintre> now get to recovering data while it lasts
[23:10] <sintre> future reference
[23:10] <sintre> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812400542&cm_re=laptop_hdd_conversion_cable-_-12-400-542-_-Product
[23:10] <sintre> cab'e like this is all you need for recover i got a couple around :)
[23:10] <Reni3> https://dpaste.de/F0Jc/raw
[23:11] <Reni3> thank you again
[23:11] <Reni3> I am now running the backup
[23:12] <sintre> Reni3 welcome it was genii who got this one and some luck
[23:12] <sintre> we love happy endings here
[23:12] <sintre> as often we end up into stone walls
[23:21] <genii> I'm suspecting the pata-jmicron module is required in this case to make the computer see it as a hard drive and not some camera/phone MTP device, but that it just takes a little while to spin up and become available
[23:21] <sintre> yea odd gizmo
[23:23] <genii> Reni3: If you are going to be using this adapter much, you may want to put in the file /etc/modules the line: pata-jmicron    ( or maybe with underscore when in there instead of dash, I forget right now)
[23:23] <genii> ...this will load the driver automatically at boot so you don't need to do the modprobe command every time
[23:31] <genii> Reni3: Also, you may want to issue: sudo update-usbids     ( this grabs the latest list of usb device ids and their associated mappings to drivers, etc)
[23:32] <sintre> she might be moving her entire music collection atm lol
[23:33] <sintre> hopefully she gets it , whole thing started with this drive failing
[23:33] <R13ose> The touchpad is too sensitive. How do I make this less sensitive?
[23:35] <sintre> can go to mouse settings and manuall change respons times
[23:38] <sintre> http://imgur.com/a/8nS4X
[23:40] <R13ose> sintre: almost everything is the same.  What about sensitive for touchpad settings?
[23:41] <sintre> under utlities do you have a program called kmousetool?
[23:42] <sintre> seems to be a disability aid of sort
[23:42] <sintre> might be able to change settings better i dunno
[23:42] <R13ose> Nope.
[23:42] <R13ose> This is a laptop
[23:42] <sintre> mine are as well
[23:42] <sintre> hmm
[23:42] <R13ose> Okay
[23:43] <sintre> its installed but i don't have it active not sure if it would even help
[23:43] <sintre> but using my touchpads normally the acceleration speed is what sets the cursor apart
[23:44] <R13ose> sintre: nothing in touchpad settings will help?
[23:44] <sintre> faster i go faster cursor moves , and i know or believe that can be adjusted
[23:44] <sintre> lmao i just noticed touch pad settings lol
[23:44] <sintre> maybe let me loo if i can change anything on this system
[23:46] <sintre> http://imgur.com/a/7j5h1
[23:46] <sintre> go here
[23:49] <R13ose> Changed that
[23:49] <sintre> try the sensisitivty tab
[23:50] <sintre> i really don't have a clue beyond that
[23:50] <sintre> both my laptops seem to work reasonably well
[23:50] <sintre> touchpad wise out the gate
[23:50] <R13ose> Show your settings and then I will try this out
[23:50] <sintre> one sec
[23:52] <sintre> http://imgur.com/a/1ixs5
[23:53] <R13ose> Done thanks
[23:53] <sintre> np
[23:54] <R13ose> How do I improve the distro.
[23:54] <R13ose> ?
[23:54] <sintre> you mean update it to latest?
[23:54] <sintre> packages and all
[23:54] <sintre> or help work on distro
[23:55] <R13ose> Nope.  I mean just improve elements here and there
[23:55] <sintre> get to work lol
[23:56] <sintre> if you want to  modifie the gui for yourself
[23:56] <R13ose> Lol
[23:56] <sintre> then plsma ripe for that so again read forum posts and things
[23:56] <sintre> if you want to talk to developers
[23:56] <sintre> go to kubuntu-devel
[23:56] <sintre> but be polite and ask where you can help out
[23:57] <R13ose> Not that far :)
[23:57] <sintre> one thing is finding bugs and reporting them
[23:58] <sintre> that can help alot
[23:58] <sintre> so as you go thru your normal usage find something odd or off or could be improved putting that up on the forums can be a big help
[23:59] <R13ose> Yep
[23:59] <sintre> well time for me to grab some dinner , see you around later if your on
[23:59] <R13ose> I have changed a lot recently