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| chrisccoulson | will the sdk ever have its own popup menu implementation? | 13:16 |
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| Ab3L | hi | 16:18 |
| brunch875 | welcome, Ab3L | 16:24 |
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| pauliunas | hi, how can i try ubuntu touch on an x86 tablet? | 18:03 |
| NotKit | did it came with Windows? | 18:06 |
| dobey | most x86 tablets are a bit weird, so the basic answer is probably "not easily" | 18:07 |
| NotKit | if it has proper UEFI, you can probably install desktop Ubuntu, but not all hardware will work | 18:08 |
| NotKit | and no easy way for Ubuntu Touch | 18:08 |
| dobey | well you can run unity8, which is not necessarily the same as the phone/tablet images at the moment. | 18:09 |
| dobey | even with weird EFI, if it can do legacy boot you can install standard ubuntu on it i think. | 18:10 |
| NotKit | UEFI on Intel Atoms can't legacy boot generaly | 18:10 |
| NotKit | *generally | 18:10 |
| dobey | i think all my atoms can, but they are convertibles, not pure tablets | 18:11 |
| pauliunas | dobey, no it's not weird, it's pretty much just as weird as any given windows/linux laptop :D | 18:16 |
| pauliunas | and it's an intel core | 18:17 |
| pauliunas | in other words, i have no trouble running the desktop version of ubuntu, but i want to see what's the fuss about ubuntu touch | 18:17 |
| dobey | do you mean "the same thing that's the current supported phone/tablet images" or do you mean "unity8" by "ubuntu touch" there? | 18:18 |
| k1l | most times its crappy 32bit uefi :/ | 18:21 |
| ogra_ | well, if it can run ubuntu desktop there is no reason why the unity8 session wouldnt run as well ... | 18:22 |
| ogra_ | but that will only give you an impression, not the very exact thing you get with touch onn a phone | 18:22 |
| ogra_ | (pretty close though) | 18:22 |
| dobey | yes, that's why i asked what the goal is exactly :) | 18:23 |
| pauliunas | dobey, i mean the thing that canonical advertises on the ubuntu site under "tablets" | 18:47 |
| pauliunas | i want to see what the hell is happening on actual ubuntu touch products like that BQ tablet :) | 18:48 |
| pauliunas | and sorry for late replies | 18:50 |
| dobey | pauliunas: then the quick answer is no. longer answer is sort of but not exactly, and not especially easily | 18:52 |
| dobey | you can try the bits of where things are heading a little more easily, but still may not be quite what you expect | 18:54 |
| pauliunas | why don't they just make it public? that way they would get actual developers for this platform... | 18:54 |
| dobey | it is public | 18:55 |
| pauliunas | because right now it can only be tested on some phones | 18:55 |
| pauliunas | ok, so if it's public, why can't i install it on my tablet? | 18:55 |
| dobey | there is no image built for your tablet | 18:55 |
| dobey | arm/android phones/tablets do not work in the same way as traditional PCs in terms of booting and device access | 18:56 |
| dobey | the phone/tablet images are based around the needs of those types of phones and tablets, not generic x86 platforms | 18:56 |
| pauliunas | yes i know | 19:01 |
| pauliunas | but since there are no widely available ubuntu touch tablets, wouldn't it make sense to just release a generic x86 image that developers could use? | 19:01 |
| dobey | pauliunas: there is no such thing as a generic image in terms of phone/tablet images; the x86 ISOs are the only thing close to "generic" and you can run most of the core stuff just fine from there with installing the snap | 19:17 |
| dobey | pretty much everything is packaged in the archive or overlay PPA, or as snaps; in terms of developing the future of ubuntu on devices | 19:18 |
| pauliunas | dobey, i didn't mean a generic image for android tablets, as that wouldn't be possible.. i meant a generic image in the same format as ubuntu desktop | 19:23 |
| pauliunas | i think it can safely be called "generic image" as it runs on every | 19:24 |
| pauliunas | pretty much every x86 computer* | 19:24 |
| dobey | pauliunas: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1o-jKITqUxRsujmN3OwRj3wRnn6dgblKuvrhKjeN8-Wc | 19:27 |
| dobey | also, 16.10 and zesty have unity8 available to test by default | 19:28 |
| pauliunas | dobey, this looks interesting :) thanks for sharing | 19:28 |
| pauliunas | but how close is it to the retail experience? | 19:29 |
| pauliunas | (just out of curiosity, it's not really important) | 19:29 |
| dobey | not very | 19:29 |
| pauliunas | so there's currently no way to see what's the deal? | 19:29 |
| dobey | there are a lot of stumbling blocks in getting things moved to snaps, and making various bits work better on x86 | 19:29 |
| dobey | but there are changes landing pretty much daily | 19:30 |
| pauliunas | i've been waiting for over a year.. :/ i guess i should just give up :D | 19:31 |
| dobey | not sure why you didn't just get a wifi nexus 7 2013, if what you want to play with is the tablet image | 19:31 |
| pauliunas | actually, i wanted it to become my daily driver... xD | 19:32 |
| pauliunas | as in, on my phone, desktop, tablet... full convergence just like they marketed it | 19:33 |
| pauliunas | well, thanks for help, i gotta go now | 19:33 |
| dobey | well, it's coming | 19:33 |
| dobey | meh | 19:33 |
| taiebot | anyone with some knowledge on enabling usb tethering It looks like nm detect the phone as a wired connection but there is never a connection which gets establised | 20:14 |
| taiebot | i am currently looking at this https://danielpocock.com/android-betrays-tethering-data not sure it is related | 20:15 |
| dobey | taiebot: it worked just fine for me when i used it ~1 year ago with my nexus 5 | 20:25 |
| dobey | that's about all i know though :) | 20:25 |
| taiebot | dobey it seems to work but maybe network manager cannot connect to it. Indicator just speens forever | 20:27 |
| dobey | taiebot: don't recall that problem | 20:35 |
| taiebot | ok i think i have found my answer https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus-property-service/+bug/1427697 | 20:35 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1427697 in dbus-property-service (Ubuntu) "Malformed /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/tethering on mako" [High,Confirmed] | 20:35 |
| taiebot | yeah managed!!! | 22:08 |
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