[13:16] <chrisccoulson> will the sdk ever have its own popup menu implementation?
[16:18] <Ab3L> hi
[16:24] <brunch875> welcome, Ab3L
[18:03] <pauliunas> hi, how can i try ubuntu touch on an x86 tablet?
[18:06] <NotKit> did it came with Windows?
[18:07] <dobey> most x86 tablets are a bit weird, so the basic answer is probably "not easily"
[18:08] <NotKit> if it has proper UEFI, you can probably install desktop Ubuntu, but not all hardware will work
[18:08] <NotKit> and no easy way for Ubuntu Touch
[18:09] <dobey> well you can run unity8, which is not necessarily the same as the phone/tablet images at the moment.
[18:10] <dobey> even with weird EFI, if it can do legacy boot you can install standard ubuntu on it i think.
[18:10] <NotKit> UEFI on Intel Atoms can't legacy boot generaly
[18:10] <NotKit> *generally
[18:11] <dobey> i think all my atoms can, but they are convertibles, not pure tablets
[18:16] <pauliunas> dobey, no it's not weird, it's pretty much just as weird as any given windows/linux laptop :D
[18:17] <pauliunas> and it's an intel core
[18:17] <pauliunas> in other words, i have no trouble running the desktop version of ubuntu, but i want to see what's the fuss about ubuntu touch
[18:18] <dobey> do you mean "the same thing that's the current supported phone/tablet images" or do you mean "unity8" by "ubuntu touch" there?
[18:21] <k1l> most times its crappy 32bit uefi :/
[18:22] <ogra_> well, if it can run ubuntu desktop there is no reason why the unity8 session wouldnt run as well ...
[18:22] <ogra_> but that will only give you an impression, not the very exact thing you get with touch onn a phone
[18:22] <ogra_> (pretty close though)
[18:23] <dobey> yes, that's why i asked what the goal is exactly :)
[18:47] <pauliunas> dobey, i mean the thing that canonical advertises on the ubuntu site under "tablets"
[18:48] <pauliunas> i want to see what the hell is happening on actual ubuntu touch products like that BQ tablet :)
[18:50] <pauliunas> and sorry for late replies
[18:52] <dobey> pauliunas: then the quick answer is no. longer answer is sort of but not exactly, and not especially easily
[18:54] <dobey> you can try the bits of where things are heading a little more easily, but still may not be quite what you expect
[18:54] <pauliunas> why don't they just make it public? that way they would get actual developers for this platform...
[18:55] <dobey> it is public
[18:55] <pauliunas> because right now it can only be tested on some phones
[18:55] <pauliunas> ok, so if it's public, why can't i install it on my tablet?
[18:55] <dobey> there is no image built for your tablet
[18:56] <dobey> arm/android phones/tablets do not work in the same way as traditional PCs in terms of booting and device access
[18:56] <dobey> the phone/tablet images are based around the needs of those types of phones and tablets, not generic x86 platforms
[19:01] <pauliunas> yes i know
[19:01] <pauliunas> but since there are no widely available ubuntu touch tablets, wouldn't it make sense to just release a generic x86 image that developers could use?
[19:17] <dobey> pauliunas: there is no such thing as a generic image in terms of phone/tablet images; the x86 ISOs are the only thing close to "generic" and you can run most of the core stuff just fine from there with installing the snap
[19:18] <dobey> pretty much everything is packaged in the archive or overlay PPA, or as snaps; in terms of developing the future of ubuntu on devices
[19:23] <pauliunas> dobey, i didn't mean a generic image for android tablets, as that wouldn't be possible.. i meant a generic image in the same format as ubuntu desktop
[19:24] <pauliunas> i think it can safely be called "generic image" as it runs on every
[19:24] <pauliunas> pretty much every x86 computer*
[19:27] <dobey> pauliunas: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1o-jKITqUxRsujmN3OwRj3wRnn6dgblKuvrhKjeN8-Wc
[19:28] <dobey> also, 16.10 and zesty have unity8 available to test by default
[19:28] <pauliunas> dobey, this looks interesting :) thanks for sharing
[19:29] <pauliunas> but how close is it to the retail experience?
[19:29] <pauliunas> (just out of curiosity, it's not really important)
[19:29] <dobey> not very
[19:29] <pauliunas> so there's currently no way to see what's the deal?
[19:29] <dobey> there are a lot of stumbling blocks in getting things moved to snaps, and making various bits work better on x86
[19:30] <dobey> but there are changes landing pretty much daily
[19:31] <pauliunas> i've been waiting for over a year.. :/ i guess i should just give up :D
[19:31] <dobey> not sure why you didn't just get a wifi nexus 7 2013, if what you want to play with is the tablet image
[19:32] <pauliunas> actually, i wanted it to become my daily driver... xD
[19:33] <pauliunas> as in, on my phone, desktop, tablet... full convergence just like they marketed it
[19:33] <pauliunas> well, thanks for help, i gotta go now
[19:33] <dobey> well, it's coming
[19:33] <dobey> meh
[20:14] <taiebot> anyone with some knowledge on enabling usb tethering It looks like nm detect the phone as a wired connection but there is never a connection which gets establised
[20:15] <taiebot>  i am currently looking at this https://danielpocock.com/android-betrays-tethering-data not sure it is related
[20:25] <dobey> taiebot: it worked just fine for me when i used it ~1 year ago with my nexus 5
[20:25] <dobey> that's about all i know though :)
[20:27] <taiebot> dobey it seems to work but maybe network manager cannot connect to it. Indicator just speens forever
[20:35] <dobey> taiebot: don't recall that problem
[20:35] <taiebot> ok i think i have found my answer https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus-property-service/+bug/1427697
[22:08] <taiebot> yeah managed!!!