[08:02] <diplo> Morning all
[08:23] <SuperMatt> morning
[09:14] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:20] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:05] <ging_> i did a bad thing
[10:05] <ging_> i installed linux mint
[10:05] <ging_> then i installed ubuntu desktop to it
[10:05] <ging_> and selected lightdm and the window manager
[10:06] <ging_> and now i have unity, with a weird mix of mint
[10:10] <ging> does anyone know of a good way to fully unmint it?
[10:10] <davmor2> ging: why would you do that?
[10:11] <ging> i started a new job
[10:11] <ging> first day i was given a linux mint usb stick to setup my machine
[10:11] <ging> i thought i would give it a go
[10:13] <ging> but i had enough
[10:15] <ging> i need to figure out how to unmint grub
[10:16] <ging> the mint luks decrypt screen does not work properly
[10:17] <ging> when you type in your password it does into some other terminal
[10:17] <ging> in clear text
[10:18] <ging> so i have to boot, then reboot so it falls back to a simple decrypt screen
[10:18] <ging> which thanksfully does work
[10:20] <ging> i am scared to just uninstall mint-common
[10:24] <ging> my biggest problem is i did something to my x settings to make it controlled by nvidia
[10:25] <ging> and i can't get to the unity screen settings
[10:25] <ging> so i can't turn off the sticky menu thing
[10:27] <ging> dconf write /org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/unityshell/launcher-capture-mouse false
[10:27] <ging> :(
[10:28] <ging> that does work though
[10:38] <ging> but none of this has cured my origonal problem, which was clicking and dragging stuff makes applications die
[11:15] <davmor2> ging: just install ubuntu then use the debs on the usb pendrive to install anything you need for work :)  A potential solution at least
[11:27] <popey> ging: I'd be inclined to nuke and install ubuntu tbh
[11:30] <awilkins> ging, Likewise. My advice would be back up your home folder (and maybe /etc) and nuke and restore. I keep my home folders on a separate partition just so I can do this at a moment's notice.
[11:31] <awilkins> When I upgraded to xenial something completely bricked my OS, was back up and running again after a 20 minute install with all my files and settings intact because of this.
[13:18] <ging> it seems to have worked suprisingly well
[13:19] <ging> just not fixed any of my origonal issues
[13:19] <ging> except the one that i didnt like mint
[13:36] <popey> given that some things just don't work on mint that should, I'd nuke it
[13:39] <diddledan> I've never liked mint - they frankenstein ubuntu repos with their own repo where their repo has _some_ stuff recompiled or differently versioned so anything from ubuntu which you expect to work with something you've installed from mint will fail - e.g. I had an issue where mint had separately compiled apache or php and apache-modules or php-modules failed to
[13:39] <diddledan> work with it because they hadn't maintained ABI
[13:40] <diddledan> I forget whether it was apache or php - or both
[16:25] <diddledan> ooh, doctor strange is out
[16:26] <diddledan> gotta love a bit of cumerbund
[16:26] <diddledan> cumberbund?
[16:27] <diddledan> how do you spell that?
[16:52] <davmor2> diddledan: yeah cumberland is awesome chips and eggs
[16:52] <diddledan> mm, sausage
[16:52] <diddledan> sausage spiral no less!
[18:40] <daftykins> diddledan: how's the SMART data look on that drive post zero?
[18:40] <diddledan> daftykins: it says no errors now
[18:41] <daftykins> smartctl output or nothing ;D
[18:42] <diddledan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24060254/
[18:44] <daftykins> ooh no remaps or anything, not too bad... so based on its' power on hours you could use it as a kinda general storage you don't really care about sort of drive, or a testing one - but definitely nothing live
[18:53] <diddledan> :-)
[18:54] <daftykins> diddledan: warning, cat torture - https://i.imgur.com/yaG5abA.gifv
[18:56] <diddledan> :-o
[18:57] <diddledan> poor kitty :-(
[18:58] <diddledan> moar gentoo security patches tonight
[18:59] <daftykins> :D
[18:59] <diddledan> mysql and php
[18:59] <diddledan> \o/
[19:02] <davmor2> daftykins: You know the is my cat planning to kill gag....in this case could we claim justifiable homicide
[19:02] <daftykins> :>
[19:05] <diddledan> I really should turn on my lights
[19:05] <diddledan> sitting in the glow of monitors only is a bit haxx0rish
[19:05] <diddledan> where's my hoodie?
[19:05]  * diddledan wanders off to find the hoodie
[19:06] <daftykins> yep hood up please
[19:06] <daftykins> :D
[19:18] <daftykins> diddledan: i caught this magic timing yesterday - http://i.imgur.com/TJMdRhw.jpg
[19:18] <daftykins> tail to the face!
[19:18] <diddledan> lol
[19:18] <diddledan> floof
[19:18] <daftykins> they've been watching the outside world, which right now they're not permitted to experience...
[19:19] <diddledan> aww :-( are they going cabin feverish?
[19:20] <daftykins> nah, huge house - i think it's more the kitten curiosity and "how can be do more things that the human staff will worry over us for doing?"
[19:20] <daftykins> any of you guys have a really really tough time adjusting to some new specs, before? i've never found it this tough
[19:21] <daftykins> i could see distant stuff like the TV from my sofa perfectly immediately, but i couldn't even read my laptop on my lap in front of me for a while o0
[19:21] <diddledan> nope, but I have a fairly simple prescription
[19:21] <daftykins> it's improved a bit now, but i almost have to look slightly off to the side to see irssi's text clearly, very offputting
[19:21] <daftykins> ah, lucky, i'm on -10 in one eye now
[19:56] <zmoylan-pi> i have had new specs drive me bonkers.  it's was like they set the focal point a different distance than i was used to...
[19:56] <zmoylan-pi> had to move all my screens and keyboards to make space for printed documentation
[19:56] <daftykins> :(
[19:57] <zmoylan-pi> i put it down to merely been from a family with crap eyesight and probably time for bifocals
[19:57] <daftykins> oof
[19:58] <zmoylan-pi> i've carried a monocular for reading bus numbers since i was in early 20s. even with glasses i couldn't read them on some buses
[20:54] <ali1234> zmoylan-pi: my mum had an eye test and they completely messed it up. got her glasses and she couldn't see anything
[20:54] <ali1234> turns out they let a trainee do it, and then the person who was supposed to check it, didn't
[20:55] <ali1234> she went to a different optician and showed them her current and previous prescription and they were like "there's no way that could be right"
[20:58] <zmoylan-pi> i've been using the same optometrist for yonks.  a family run place rather than the usual faceless mob.  in my case it's far more likely that it's my eyes failing
[20:58] <ali1234> it was boots that messed it up iirc
[20:59] <ali1234> the worst thing though is it took her 6 months to do anything about it, because she thought it was just her eyes getting worse
[20:59] <daftykins> O_O
[21:00] <daftykins> every optician in the island seems to be at retirement age now which isn't very encouraging
[21:01] <zmoylan-pi> you've reached the optician event horizon were no new opticans open and the only new ones come along when old ones retire or die
[21:02] <daftykins> indeed!
[21:03] <daftykins> love the way mine emailed out from an address they aren't checking anymore, too...
[21:08] <zmoylan-pi> you just have to hack their gibson to find their real address... :-P
[21:12] <daftykins> well if you put it like that...
[21:17] <zmoylan-pi> and isn't the current best way to get their attention is to poke them on twitter?
[21:24] <Azelphur> I'm happy, bought a refurbished UPS on eBay for £160, looks like it'll hold up all my crap (3 x 40" monitors and two PCs) for an hour :D
[21:27] <daftykins> best to get safe shutdown configured!
[21:27] <daftykins> i've been chasing a Dutch company for a delayed replacement battery for an old APC unit of late
[21:31] <Azelphur> yea, gotta do that
[21:51] <zmoylan-pi> probably waiting for the postmans hernia to heal after the crimbo rush... :-P
[21:51] <daftykins> ;) more than likely a European country trying to work out how to cross the wet bit to get here
[21:52] <zmoylan-pi> the dutch build a wall, drain the area behind it and repeat... simple
[21:59] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: and make the islanders pay for it
[21:59] <daftykins> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/24/iphone_7_plus_burning_battery/
[21:59] <daftykins> :D
[22:00] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: my you've been busy, first Nokia, now... https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/24/revive_the_psion_5_series/
[22:02] <zmoylan-pi> it's weird in 2008 nokia really really irked me... and my mates laughed when i went on and on about how many mistakes they were making.  within 12 months they had all switched from nokia to android... along with a sizeable chunk of the planet.  i didn't speak to all those people. honest guv
[22:03] <zmoylan-pi> of course, today i took this pic in upmarket shopping centre on dublins most expensive shopping street... https://twitter.com/angryearthling/status/835246630710431745/photo/1
[22:04] <daftykins> :>
[22:05] <zmoylan-pi> they're usually only spotted in street were they're selling fish and veg from stalls on the cobbles