[00:01] <Bashing-om> Afdal: Afdal Maybe check ' cat /var/log/dpkg.log
[00:01] <kaosine> Bashing-om: especially since my sister is going to be using it and I want the thing to last for as long as possible once I get the disk burned and installed to try laptop
[00:02] <k1l> Afdal: /var/log/apt/ and look at the logs there
[00:02] <Bashing-om> kaosine: I am prejudiced in favor of xfce . All I can say .
[00:03] <Mitchy> what command line web browser uses the least of resources ?
[00:03] <Afdal> hmmph
[00:03] <DocMAX> pavlos, rc2 is before what?
[00:03] <kaosine> Bashing-om: that's what another guy was telling me so probably downloading xubuntu then to make things easy
[00:03] <Afdal> Well I don't see "libopus" or "opus" in recent package updates anywhere...
[00:04] <Afdal> What could it have been that broke Opus detection
[00:04] <wedgie> Mitchy: curl or wget are what you want. And you've already been given examples for both of them.
[00:05] <Mitchy> ok sorry
[00:06] <Mitchy> wget i only used for downloading
[00:06] <kaosine> Bashing-om: which means the computer will be going from Vista to xubuntu. Man that still feels weird to say. Though I hope I can teach my sister how to export from libre to ms
[00:07] <Bashing-om> kaosine: While xfce is very customizable and cinfigurable to the extreme - getting away from default is a steep learning curve - there be dragons ! But it is why is it so configurable !
[00:08] <kaosine> Bashing-om: I just know I'm staying far away from unity. That is a resource hog. I liked gnome better
[00:09] <Bashing-om> kaosine: You are going about it the right direction ; burn ya a xubuntu disk amd see what you like .
[00:10] <kaosine> Bashing-om: if I don't (or in this case my sister) I have 9 more discs XD
[00:11] <Bashing-om> kaosine: http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ .
[00:13] <Mitchy> wedgie i did a little readback  but when i try the given example of do wget -qO- http://www.google.com > sleep 300; done            i get syntax error
[00:14] <tgm4883> Mitchy: it would help to post the error, but my guess is that sleep doesn't take that input
[00:14] <tgm4883> you probably want && there
[00:14] <wedgie> the > makes no sense. change that to a ;
[00:14] <tgm4883> or rather, stick it in cron
[00:15] <tgm4883> yea ; is better than && in this case
[00:15] <wedgie> 15:06 < OerHeks> Mitchy, something like " while true; do wget -qO- http://www.google.com > /dev/null; sleep 300; done "
[00:15] <Mitchy> im trying to learn but idk how to go about that
[00:15] <tgm4883> you apparently fail at copy & paste
[00:15] <wedgie> or, cron:
[00:16] <tgm4883> which is ok, we all fail sometimes :)
[00:16] <wedgie> 15:48 < wedgie> Mitchy: run ''crontab -e'' then enter this:
[00:16] <wedgie> 15:48 < wedgie> */5 * * * * /usr/bin/curl --silent http://your.site.com/whatever.php > /dev/null 2>&1
[00:16] <Mitchy> i never used cron so im sorry i dont know
[00:16] <tgm4883> first things first, I'd make sure that running "/usr/bin/curl --silent http://your.site.com/whatever.php" does what you want it to
[00:17] <tgm4883> Mitchy: for as much leeway that I give new users, wedgie literally gave you the exact command to run and the exact line to add....
[00:17] <wedgie> has to substitute his own URL, of course, but yeah.
[00:21] <Mitchy> sorry i got on your nerves, im used to see what happends and when i copy the command  while true; do wget -qO- http://www.google.com > /dev/null; sleep 300; done    nothing happends  at least not that i can see
[00:22] <wedgie> Mitchy: that's by design. It runs every 5 mins and hides all output. Because, presumably, you don't care what the output was, only that the script got hit and did whatever twitter stuff that it does.
[00:23] <Mitchy> aha ok thanks for clearing that part
[00:25] <wedgie> remove the    > /dev/null    if you really want to see it
[00:28] <Mitchy> it creates a sleep file in my folder
[00:29] <lucidguy> any mdadm savvy people here?
[00:29] <wedgie> Mitchy: then you're still not copy/pasting correctly :(
[00:30] <Mitchy> while true; do wget -qO- http://www.google.com >  sleep 300; done
[00:30] <Mitchy> thats what i used
[00:31] <wedgie> I don't think I can help you. I'm sorry.
[00:32] <Mitchy> ah i forgot to remove the >
[00:34] <roadrunneratwast> hi gang.  i hope my computer isn't breaking down again.  but probably
[00:34] <roadrunneratwast> i am getting i/o errors on boot
[00:35] <roadrunneratwast> blk_update_request butffer I/O error on /dev/sda
[00:35] <roadrunneratwast> sector
[00:36] <roadrunneratwast> what do i want to do now?  run fsck.ext4 on the next boot?
[00:36] <Ben64> sounds like a dying hard drive
[00:36] <roadrunneratwast> how do i do this ?
[00:36] <roadrunneratwast> :(
[00:36] <roadrunneratwast> nooooooooo
[00:36] <roadrunneratwast> i went through this before
[00:36] <Bashing-om> roadrunneratwast: In the case of I/O erroros - 1st thing is check the hard drive's health . smartmontools .
[00:36] <roadrunneratwast> yeah
[00:36] <roadrunneratwast> smart tools said it wasn't so healthy
[00:37] <pavlos> DocMAX, I suggested /etc/rc2.d/ which is multi-user and networking. Isnt that runlevel the earliest you can use?
[00:37] <DocMAX> and then? what i need to do?
[00:37] <DocMAX> put a script in there?
[00:37] <roadrunneratwast> so do i need to get a new hard drive?
[00:38] <roadrunneratwast> or can i do fsck -c ?
[00:38] <Ben64> time to replace the drive
[00:38] <roadrunneratwast> no
[00:39] <roadrunneratwast> i just replaced it
[00:39] <roadrunneratwast> ugh
[00:39] <DocMAX> i need to mount after network is up
[00:39] <tarball> hello everyone, I have two lists of packages that I created with aptitude and dpkg respectively. now I am trying to install them on a new system, but I couldnt find the right command in my searches
[00:40] <lafleurdubien> Anybody have an issue with Ubuntu 16.04 where wifi stops working and you are unable to reconnect?
[00:40] <Bashing-om> roadrunneratwast: Might be best ' sudo smartctl --all /dev/sda | pastebinit ' and we have a gander at the data .
[00:40] <roadrunneratwast> ok
[00:40] <wedgie> tarball: what format is this list in?
[00:41] <tarball> wedgie, both are plain text files
[00:41] <tarball> one list is from dpkg, the other from aptitude
[00:41] <roadrunneratwast> bashing-om  it started when i forced quit from a slow hibernate
[00:42] <wedgie> tarball: can you patebin the contents? A handful of lines from each file should be fine
[00:42] <roadrunneratwast> rather it was slow to wake up from a hibernate http://paste.ubuntu.com/24061998/
[00:43] <tarball> wedgie, sure
[00:43] <ragnarock_2> Woohoo!
[00:43] <ragnarock_2> Connected to IRC via Power mac 7500 :D
[00:43] <roadrunneratwast> can you tell anything from the  # 1  Short offline       Completed: read failure       90%      4950         247534441
[00:43] <roadrunneratwast> is that doom?
[00:43] <roadrunneratwast> impending doom
[00:44] <roadrunneratwast> ?
[00:44] <lafleurdubien> Please help! My 16.04 installation loses wifi connection after suspend and its completely unable to reconnect
[00:45] <lafleurdubien> happens every time I wake from suspend
[00:45] <wedgie> roadrunneratwast: yes, impending doom. Make sure your backups are current
[00:45] <roadrunneratwast> ugh
[00:45] <Bashing-om> roadrunneratwast: Toss that drive . No longer able to reallocate bad sectors among several other problems .
[00:46] <roadrunneratwast> :(
[00:47] <roadrunneratwast> blah
[00:48] <Bashing-om> roadrunneratwast: Hey It happens . Even the best drives only have a 5 year life expenctancy . Good thing that SSDs have come on .. Hard drives are cheap !
[00:48] <roadrunneratwast> they are much cheaper than i thought
[00:48] <roadrunneratwast> so that's good
[00:49] <wedgie> roadrunneratwast: take the opportunity ot upgrade to an ssd :D
[00:49] <Bashing-om> roadrunneratwast: +1 wedgie . Makes a world of difference .
[00:49] <roadrunneratwast> do you think an fsck would help tide me over?
[00:50] <roadrunneratwast> for a bit?
[00:50] <wedgie> roadrunneratwast: no. It's not a filesystem problem
[00:50] <wedgie> that drive is a ticking timebomb. Plan accordingly
[00:50] <tarball> wedgie, I tried a few things meanwhile but still cant get it right..this is the paste: paste.ubuntu.com/24062029
[00:50] <roadrunneratwast> oh fiddlesticks
[00:51] <Bashing-om> roadrunneratwast: That drive is dying . IF there is anything on that drive you value . get it off that drive NOW / Do not use it untill your data is safe .
[00:51] <roadrunneratwast> bah i don't have anything important on here
[00:52] <roadrunneratwast> but muck fy lime
[00:52] <Bashing-om> roadrunneratwast: I can feel a new fresh install of 16.04 on a most excellent SSD in your furure .
[00:53] <roadrunneratwast> haha
[00:53] <roadrunneratwast> thanks
[00:55] <deathSong> Whats up bitch
[00:55] <Aurorasaura> sudo chmod 444 /test
[00:55] <tarball> wedgie, and this is from the output of dpkg method of listing: paste.ubuntu.com/24062047
[00:57] <tarball> both files have 'i' at the start of each line, and the commands I tried rejected it..and without 'i' they give 'unable to locate package X', x being the file name in the output
[00:57] <lafleurdubien> Fresh install of 16.04.02 and everytime I wake from suspend I cannot connect to wifi. Even with running systemctl network-manager.service restart. The only way to get it back is reboot.
[01:02] <wedgie> tarball: pkgs=(); while read -r; do pkgs+=( $(awk '{print $2}') ); done < <(cat packages otherpackages) ; echo sudo apt-get install "${pkgs[@]}"
[01:02] <FMan> what is this 16.4.2 now?
[01:03] <wedgie> tarball: substitute "packages" and "otherpackages" with whatever your file names are
[01:03] <wedgie> tarball: and if that outputs something that looks sane, remove the "echo" and run it again
[01:05] <nacc> FMan: normal .release of the LTS
[01:05] <nacc> FMan: includes the HWE stuff by default
[01:05] <tarball> wedgie, thank you so much, trying them now
[01:05] <FMan> when did that come out?
[01:06] <OerHeks> year 2016, month 04
[01:06] <FMan> no, the .2
[01:06] <nacc> FMan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[01:06] <FMan> hmh, why haven't I been told about this?
[01:07] <nacc> FMan: are you already on 16.04?
[01:07] <OerHeks> hostnamectl status # will show you
[01:07] <tarball> wedgie, I think that is sane :) the output is 'sudo apt-get install package1 package2 package3...package n'
[01:08] <wedgie> tarball: :)   then run it again without the echo
[01:08] <tarball> wedgie, without echo it prompts to command line, without installing
[01:09] <nacc> FMan: if you are, and if you've kept it up to date you are already on 16.04.2
[01:09] <nacc> FMan: the only difference would be opting iin to HWE
[01:09] <wedgie> prompts? It should prompt for your sudo password and then run apt-get install with all of those packages
[01:09] <nacc> !hwe | FMan
[01:10] <wedgie> tarball: pkgs=(); while read -r; do pkgs+=( $(awk '{print $2}') ); done < <(cat packages otherpackages) ; sudo apt-get install "${pkgs[@]}"
[01:11] <tarball> wedgie, instantly I have another problem (though this happened for the second time in the last half hour)..the monitor gets black while along the left edge green-colored pixels move, and in a few seconds the computer shuts down..this has not happened before, but happening with this fresh install.
[01:11] <wedgie> O_o
[01:12] <tarball> as a reason I think of that I didnt install the mentioned third party software for graphics, wifi, flash etc..
[01:12] <FMan> I don't know what HWE stacks are and that page doesn't explain it
[01:12] <tarball> could it be for that reasonß
[01:12] <tarball> ?
[01:12] <nacc> FMan: then you didn't read that page -- HWE = Hardware Enablement = LTS Enablement Stack
[01:12] <wedgie> I doubt it. That sounds more serious. But i've never encountered such a thing so I'm not sure
[01:13] <OerHeks> FMan, "provide newer kernel and X support for existing LTS"  basicly
[01:13] <nacc> FMan: updated the acronym expansion onto the wiki page
[01:13] <FMan> I did not read it completely, but it doesn't explain it
[01:14] <nacc> FMan: literally the first full sentence on the page
[01:14] <OerHeks> FMan, well, it does, not without reading.
[01:14] <FMan> it talks about LTS Enablement Stacks, not HWE
[01:14] <nacc> FMan: as i just said, i added the bit that's confusing you
[01:14] <FMan> I think you are all in a conspiracy to confuse me
[01:14] <nacc> FMan: hit refresh
[01:14] <nacc> FMan: they are the same
[01:15] <nacc> FMan: added the bit that clarifies what is confusing you
[01:15] <tarball> I will check syslogs..hope it tells something
[01:15] <nacc> FMan: two terms for the same thing
[01:15] <FMan> I think my hardware is already enabled
[01:15] <happyfr0gg> I am getting sick and tired of these GPG No Public Key errors from apt.  ARRRRRRHHHH.
[01:16] <joseluna> hola
[01:16] <bazhang> !gpgerr | happyfr0gg have you seen this
[01:16] <tarball> the only other thing I changed was to disable Intel AMT
[01:16] <tarball> ah, and a bios update
[01:16] <FMan> it also talks about GA stacks
[01:17] <nacc> FMan: GA = General Availability, the version that shipped with 16.04.1
[01:17] <happyfr0gg> ubottu, Do I take the GPG key from the error I get from apt and include that in the command you gave me?
[01:18] <Bashing-om> happyfr0gg: ?? maybe ' sudo apt-key update ' <-which can fix the missing Ubuntu keys .
[01:18] <OERIAS> Can Someone help with an error that says something about withholding broken packages?
[01:18] <Bashing-om> OERIAS: Pastebin the command and the error . we see what we can do .
[01:19] <happyfr0gg> Bashing-om, I get 'resource limits'.
[01:19] <happyfr0gg> 4 processed and 4 unchanged.
[01:21] <happyfr0gg> 11 of them show resource limits at the end of their lines.
[01:21] <Mitchy>  is there a gui in ubuntu 16.04 (unity) for making cron jobs?
[01:22] <Bashing-om> happyfr0gg: Ouch !! .. just how many keys do you have ' ls /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d | wc -l ' ?
[01:23] <OerHeks> !info gnome-schedule
[01:23] <OerHeks> oh
[01:24] <OERIAS> Bashing-om, do you know of the command that can produce the error?
[01:24] <Mitchy> yeh i noticed  that
[01:24] <happyfr0gg> Bashing-om,  91
[01:24] <Bashing-om> OERIAS: You can run ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ' see if the error is repeatd .
[01:25] <tarball> is there important graphics software that needs to be manually installed among the third party software that is optionally presented during OS install?
[01:26] <Bashing-om> happyfr0gg: Yukkie ! .. Look there is a 40 key limit . See: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1263540 .
[01:29] <happyfr0gg> Bashing-om, I am at the link you provided. How do I apply the fix?
[01:30] <Bashing-om> happyfr0gg: Start removing apps and keys that you do not use . You have to get below 40 keys .
[01:31] <OerHeks> 91 keys... it is a record !!!
[01:31] <happyfr0gg> I have to have less than 40 softwares on my system for my Ubuntu to be more relevent than Windows?
[01:31] <Bashing-om> happyfr0gg: see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2195579 for some background and guidance .
[01:32] <Mitchy> i thank u all for ur patience , once i got my head out of my (where the sun wont shine) i figured out what to do due to the help from you guys
[01:32] <nacc> happyfr0gg: i have very little idea why you would need > 40 PPAs on a system
[01:32] <OERIAS> Bashing-om, Sudo apt update produces this : http://pastebin.com/D3JyAT5X
[01:33] <OerHeks> Mitchy, have fun, sorry i could not find a cron gui
[01:33] <happyfr0gg> I have a bunch of software on my system that I have installed over the last few years.
[01:34] <nacc> happyfr0gg: all from PPAs? why? you understand there's no guarantee any of it is good, or maintained, etc.
[01:34] <Bashing-om> OERIAS: So far so good " 4 packages can be upgraded " carry on with ' sudo apt upgrade ' :)
[01:34] <Mitchy> its ok oerheks i was to impatient and ignorant you guys are aesome
[01:35] <happyfr0gg> Can I delete PPA's without affecting the software installed?
[01:35] <uzjsn> yes
[01:35] <OERIAS> Bashing-om, also worth noting Transmission has "Disappeared"
[01:35] <OerHeks> happyfr0gg, ppa-purge works with correct keys, AFAIK...
[01:35] <OerHeks> !ppapurge
[01:36] <tarball> as I mentioned above, I recently got two instant display blackouts followed by shutdowns in a short interval..I've just excluded third party software during my fresh install. could that be related to this problem?
[01:36] <tarball> like drivers etc.?
[01:36] <uzjsn> does your system overheat?
[01:36] <tarball> uzjsn, no
[01:37] <tarball> in additional drivers I only see an intel microcode firmware
[01:37] <nacc> happyfr0gg: you can remove a PPA from your sources, but that makes you even more insecure, in some sense -- then if the PPA owner was to update, you won't see it
[01:38] <tarball> I just ran a bios update yesterday, and plugged/unplugged cmos socket, but after that I could work for long hours without problem, with my old OS.
[01:38] <nacc> happyfr0gg: but if you use ppa-purge it will remove both the ppa and the installed software
[01:38] <OerHeks> tarball, forgotten to plug the powercord back in the videocard?
[01:38] <happyfr0gg> nacc, including their gpg keys.
[01:38] <happyfr0gg> ??
[01:39] <tarball> OerHeks, but I haven't touched the videocard
[01:39] <happyfr0gg> nacc, including their gpg keys???
[01:40] <OerHeks> tarball, your issue sounds like it. else i have no clue.
[01:40] <tarball> I was only trying some ram modules and meanwhile saw cmos cable was disconnected. I connected it and then removed again
[01:41] <tarball> OerHeks, graphic card was also what came to my mind..is there a way to check the health/proper running of it?
[01:41] <happyfr0gg> I had no idea that there was a limit of the number of software I could have installed on a Ubuntu system. That fucking sucks.
[01:41] <nacc> !language | happyfr0gg
[01:42] <tgm4883> I'm not aware of any such limitation other than your hard drive space
[01:42] <nacc> happyfr0gg: you're not really restricted in that sense. You are restricted in the number of repositories that apt-key can handle it seems
[01:42] <nacc> happyfr0gg: that one is tied to the other for PPAs is its own issue.
[01:42] <nacc> happyfr0gg: but again, you ahven't really answered why you thought you needed 91 PPAs
[01:42] <happyfr0gg> I don't know.
[01:42] <tarball> wedgie, the recent command doesnt install the packages, while it mentions which packages are missing/not available among them..I thought about running your first command that returned all package names after apt-get install, copy them, and run
[01:43] <nacc> happyfr0gg: not a great answer for something you can only do as root
[01:43] <happyfr0gg> I have installed software from PPA's over the years and was not aware of the GPG resource limit.
[01:45] <tarball> does "Checxbox" provide relevant info on this?
[01:46] <tgm4883> happyfr0gg: did you paste the error message somewhere?
[01:46] <nacc> happyfr0gg: and you understand what a PPA is and the implication of it?
[01:46] <Bashing-om> happyfr0gg: Mind ya lots I do not know . but : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2195579 . ( I have yet to steer you wrong in all this time ) .
[01:47] <happyfr0gg> A PPA is similar to Windows executables?
[01:47] <nacc> happyfr0gg: no
[01:47] <nacc> happyfr0gg: a PPA is like a separate archive, meaning anything you install from it, you are expressing trust to be installed as root on your system
[01:48] <nacc> happyfr0gg: and it's wholly unsupported
[01:48] <kaosine> Bashing-om: welp I may have screwed up one disc if i can get the stupid thing to stop...meant to use etcher and used the mac burner instead >_<
[01:48] <nacc> happyfr0gg: except by the PPA owner
[01:49] <Bashing-om> kaosine: Ya bark'n up an alley I can not echo .. I no do Windows or Mac .
[01:50] <kaosine> Bashing-om: I only do it since my mom bought the computer I'm on(well the one this replaces) whoops
[01:50] <wedgie> tarball: if you just want the packages in a copy-paste friendly format: awk '{printf "%s ", $2}' file1 file2
[01:50] <kaosine> once this comptuer goes out of warranty I'm putting ubu on it though >_>
[01:51] <tgm4883> happyfr0gg: to reiterate what nacc is saying, PPA's should only be added if you trust the people making the PPA, as it's trivial to put malware on a PPA
[01:51] <happyfr0gg> My main source of software was launchpad.
[01:52] <tgm4883> and with 91, I'm doubting you trust all of them
[01:52] <nacc> happyfr0gg: that's ridiculous.
[01:52] <tgm4883> happyfr0gg: not sure what that has to do with anything. It's trivial to put malware on a PPA on launchpad
[01:52] <happyfr0gg> I thought launchpad was safe.
[01:53] <happyfr0gg> I thought it was a legit source of good open source software.
[01:53] <tgm4883> happyfr0gg: it's no more a source of legit good open source software than github is
[01:53] <tgm4883> which is to say, anyone can put anything up there
[01:53] <nacc> !ppa | happyfr0gg
[01:54] <gaurav2> how to install java in Ubuntu
[01:56] <StatelessCat> gaurav2: did u read the wiki page on this ? 
[01:56] <OerHeks> !java
[01:57] <pinPoint> I just installed SpamAssassin, I noticed it created what looked like a group/user 'debian-spamd' for Ubuntu 16.04.x. Is that group/user 'debian-spamd' needed?
[01:57] <pinPoint> I since created my own groupd spamd and useradd -g spamd with -s /bin/false
[01:58] <gaurav2> yes but I have one site it's working on windows it's need java and dot net and working fine in Win 7 but I switch to ubuntu and that site not work because i think no java
[01:59] <kaosine> oh lovely my computer doesn't like this DVD drive for writing a image of ubu too
[02:01] <gaurav2> I want to switch to all 20 computer from windows to ubuntu if that site work on ubuntu my company's all work on that site if site not work then I can't use ubuntu
[02:02] <wedgie> gaurav2: did ou read the link OerHeks sent you? It details how to install java
[02:02] <OerHeks> gaurav2, well, install java or better openjdk then?
[02:03] <gaurav2>  ok I'll try it today then ill tell you what issue arise thanks all
[02:03] <Bashing-om> kaosine: And we are back to " does not Mac have the tool 'dd' to write a hybrid image file to disk ?" .
[02:04] <kaosine> Bashing-om: it does but I think the issue is that for some odd reason it needs both ports so I'm going to have to see if I can somehow take etcher to the vista computer and burn the image that way then reboot it and install
[02:06] <kaosine> Bashing-om: my computer is seeing this thing as a 8kb disc when it's supposed to be 4.7gb XD
[02:09] <Bashing-om> kaosine: Ouch ! .. and what does a known medium report ?
[02:10] <kaosine> Bashing-om: IDK I'm guessing it really needs the second port so I'm going to hope I can get it onto the destination computer burn it and then reboot and install
[02:23] <semo> hello
[02:23] <shabang_gang> hello
[02:27] <shabang_gang> nothing happens
[02:27] <semo> how to install adobe afftra effect on ubuntu ?
[02:28] <semo> ?
[02:29] <dimisdas> semo: https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=648
[02:30] <semo> thanks :)
[02:31] <happyfr0gg> How do I delete a backup file? I see in my file manager a file with a ~ at the end of its extension.
[02:32] <happyfr0gg> Nothing is contained in the backup file when opened with gedit.
[02:33] <dimisdas> happyfr0gg: http://askubuntu.com/questions/90515/where-do-files-ending-with-a-come-from
[02:33] <happyfr0gg> I am in the process of purging PPAs and softwware I no longer use. Trying to bring the number of GPG keys down to 40 or less.
[02:34] <dimisdas> happyfr0gg: unset backup
[02:34] <craptalk> i got lenovo IdeaPad 310 15ABR, it seems that it has a bit of heat near the touchpad, how can i check if the fan is running on my machine?
[02:34] <craptalk> i tried using thinkpad program but is there any other way?
[02:35] <craptalk> or is the heat normal thing?
[02:36] <dimisdas> craptalk: read into lm-sensors
[02:36] <dimisdas> craptalk: it will give you the “sensors” command that prints temperatures and fan rpm
[02:42] <junktext_> craptalk, also your BIOS may have a display menu of your laptop's temperatures detected.
[02:43] <kaosine> phew almost done with the burn of ubu to dvd ^_^
[02:43] <junktext_> Nice!
[02:44] <craptalk> junktext_, i got this message Sorry, no sensors were detected.
[02:44] <craptalk> This is relatively common on laptops, where thermal management is
[02:44] <craptalk> handled by ACPI rather than the OS.
[02:44] <kaosine> junktext_: well xubu....I'm going as light as possible on this thing right now
[02:44] <craptalk> what does it mean?
[02:45] <junktext_> craptalk, so where did you get that message? You already checked out your BIOS menus?
[02:46] <craptalk> i got it on my terminal, i run sensors-detect
[02:46] <craptalk> it shows me that msg
[02:46] <junktext_> Ah, yeah, I usually first check the BIOS itself as it has lower-level access.
[02:47] <dimisdas> I’ll take a guess and say that power management is not done by Ubuntu but something else, like BIOS
[02:47] <dimisdas> power and thermal management *
[02:47] <junktext_> But, not every BIOS/UEFI has temperature readings.
[02:47] <dimisdas> Check junktext_’s suggestion
[02:47] <craptalk> well, what kind of configuration can i do in BIOS? is enable or disable thing?
[02:48] <craptalk> can i configure the speed of fans or something like that?
[02:48] <junktext_> It depends on your BIOS, craptalk. But, what I am saying is that you could reboot your computer and enter the BIOS menu using like the F2 or F12 key. Within the BIOS it may show you various temperatures.
[02:49] <kaosine> Well that was weird. Xubuntu installer loaded weirdly and slow there for a bit
[02:50] <junktext_> There may be a way to report the temperatures to Ubuntu, but I've never really cared to do that. Although, dimisdas is likely correct on his suggestion on that aspect.
[02:52] <dimisdas> craptalk: there’s a github project for fan control for linux kernels with the thinkpad-acpi patch, take a look
[02:52] <dimisdas> https://github.com/Stanko/ThinkPad-Fan-Control
[03:19] <kaosine> Bashing-om: got it installed. That is a HUGE difference in preformance on that thing
[03:19] <kaosine> I just nee dto get wifi working later >_>
[03:20] <Bashing-om> kaosine: See unity is a resource hog :) It takes a modern full blown system to run unity as unity wants .
[03:21] <kaosine> Bashing-om: it's not unity that's the hog in this case it was windows vista and all the stupid bloatware that system had originally
[03:22] <OERIAS> Bashing-om, I updated and it still didn't solve my issue
[03:22] <OERIAS> It still says I have broken packages on Synaptic
[03:23] <elflaco> hiya
[03:24] <elflaco> how do you save your iptables rules on ubuntu 14.04 ?
[03:26] <Bashing-om> OERIAS: Pastebin ' sudo apt full-upgrade ; sudo apt -f install ' . So I see the errors on context .
[03:28] <OERIAS> Bashing-om, sudo apt full-upgrade brings this: http://pastebin.com/v1RnYbKh
[03:28] <elflaco> is 'sudo service iptables-persistent save' enough to make the iptables rules persistent upon reboot ?
[03:30] <OERIAS> Bashing-om, sudo apt -f install brings this: http://pastebin.com/7Ug6iCUs
[03:31] <kaosine> ok I think I may have the wireless enabled now hopefully had to isntall a weird driver using the eth port
[03:32] <Bashing-om> OERIAS: Humm what shows ' apt-cache policy oxideqt-codecs-extra ' .
[03:32] <kaosine> Heck yeah! My wireless networks are showing up in xubuntu now :D
[03:33] <Bashing-om> !info oxideqt-codecs-extra xenial
[03:33] <Transtibot> question: I am trying to mount an iso image using ubuntu 14. For some reason I cant get any of the programs I found to work: Furious ISO , Gmount-iso. Is there an alternative program I should use? when I try and loop it says false or error.
[03:34] <Bashing-om> Transtibot: Maybe try : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot <-allow booting/installing an .iso directly from the hard drive.
[03:35] <Transtibot> thank you Bashing-om i'll try that
[03:36] <Bashing-om> Transtibot: Glad2help . It works for me :)
[03:37] <Bashing-om> Transtibot: Be aware you do not have to make up or edit a config file . You can boot direct from the grub prompt .
[03:40] <OERIAS> Bashing-om, http://pastebin.com/Y7L41SsE
[03:41] <kaosine> fudge got the thing installed but it's not working >_<
[03:43] <Transtibot> thank u :)
[03:46] <Bashing-om> OERIAS: Kinda curious huh ??.. what results ' dpkg -l oxideqt-codecs ' ? If not installed then run 'sudo apt install --reinstall oxideqt-codecs-extra '  and pastebin that output .
[03:46] <kaosine> man that was a tricky driver for what's installed into the computer
[03:49] <OERIAS> Bashing-om, http://pastebin.com/qFP5mqhF
[03:51] <OERIAS> Bashing-om,  http://pastebin.com/qEYMtJf0
[03:52] <Bashing-om> OERIAS: OK, not installed, what results un attenpting to re-install oxideqt-codecs-extra ?
[03:52] <OERIAS> I reinstalled it
[03:52] <OERIAS> http://pastebin.com/qFP5mqhF
[03:55] <Bashing-om> !info unity-tweak-tool xenial | OERIAS
[03:56] <OERIAS> Bashing-om, so uninstall tweak tool?
[03:58] <Bashing-om> OERIAS: Looks good but is the status now of unity-tweak-tool and webapps ? // I do not think anything else is required for a stable system at this point . but what shows now ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade ; sudo dpkg -C ' ?
[04:00] <kaosine> Bashing-om: thanks for your help. I got the computer working again so that's one project down out of the five computers I have that I want to try and revive in some way
[04:01] <imbezol> anyone make video with their ubuntu system? trying to find an easy software to get started with
[04:01] <kaosine> Beyond that server that I'll have to take a stab at after work tomorrow
[04:01] <OERIAS> Bashing-om, : http://pastebin.com/3pE5Z1ap
[04:02] <Bashing-om> kaosine: Great . Ya know the drill now . lubuntu and go from there :)
[04:02] <kaosine> imbezol: I hear openshot is good and light works might be decent
[04:02] <OERIAS> Bashing-om, : sudo apt full-upgrade
[04:02] <kaosine> Bashing-om: well the other ones are likely to be revived as authentic computers to play some old PC games on
[04:03] <OERIAS> Bashing-om, : http://pastebin.com/5JVUxQ6e
[04:03] <OERIAS> Bashing-om, http://pastebin.com/1KQnRnRR
[04:05] <Bashing-om> OERIAS: Looks good to me . now clean up ' sudo apt autoremove ' .
[04:06] <OERIAS> Bashing-om,  http://pastebin.com/XthCELy1
[04:10] <Bashing-om> OERIAS: And still look'n good . I expect you are good to go :)
[04:14] <OERIAS> Bashing-om, I get this when installing Deluge: http://pastebin.com/WyMFH6gc
[04:18] <Bashing-om> OERIAS: Do ' apt-cache depends deluge-gtk ' , Now, do you read this the same way I do in that one or the other may be installed but not both ?
[04:20] <trentspi> irc.mozilla.org
[04:21] <OERIAS> Bashing-om, https://paste.ubuntu.com/24062737/
[04:23] <Bashing-om> OERIAS: So, what thinks you " Breaks: deluge " ?
[04:24] <OERIAS> Bashing-om, I can't install anything on this computer
[04:24] <OERIAS> and It has been frustrating me for the past six weeks
[04:25] <OERIAS> I can't install transmission, which was removed.
[04:25] <OERIAS> Not even lynx the cli web browser
[04:26] <Bashing-om> OERIAS: Ih we get to the bottom of it . Bit I think ya got to make a choice here , ya want deluge installed then ya must remove deluge-gtk . Is my thought .
[04:26] <OERIAS> but it isn't installed
[04:27] <OERIAS> I have never installed Deluge
[04:27] <OERIAS> I am trying to install it since I need to download a torrent
[04:29] <Bashing-om> OERIAS: Most of the times we find that PPAs are causing the interference with repo packages . Want to check your PPA sources and insure all are maintained ?
[04:29] <OerHeks> i see http://ppa.launchpad.net/transmissionbt/ppa/ubuntu xenial InRelease in his list
[04:30] <OERIAS> Bashing-om, sure. I was thinking it was ppa since some of them are broken
[04:30] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/~transmissionbt/+archive/ubuntu/ppa this one is valid
[04:30] <OerHeks> but i would just use the regular transmission, nothing wrong with that.
[04:30] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: Oh waht sharp eyes you have .
[04:31] <OerHeks> but about dependencie problems, did you run sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade ??
[04:33] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: OERIAS // Uh huh .. we past that and we were stable with no dpkg issues untill attempted install of additional packages . Work'n through it .
[04:33] <OERIAS> New Pastebin: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24062783/
[04:35] <OerHeks> good, now install transmission ( from that ppa)   sudo apt install transmission
[04:36] <Bashing-om> OERIAS: K; " 1 package can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see it. " do as suggested and let's see ' apt list --upgradable ' .
[04:36] <OERIAS> OerHeks,
[04:36] <OERIAS> https://paste.ubuntu.com/24062789/
[04:37] <ragnarock_2> Ubuntu seems to be stuck in one resolution after I did "do release-upgrade" from 12.04 to 14.04.5. For reference I'm using an ATI Radeon 7000 card. Not sure where to start or what info to give anyone :/
[04:37] <OERIAS> Bashing-om, https://paste.ubuntu.com/24062795/
[04:37] <OERIAS> Which I can't install
[04:38] <OERIAS> because all the terminal says is "you have broken packages
[04:38] <Bashing-om> OERIAS: OerHeks :: ' apt-cache policy transmission ' and consider ppa-purge ??
[04:38] <OerHeks> OERIAS, ugh, bad ppa .. Bashing-om yes, sudo ppa-purge ppa:transmissionbt/ppa # and after this install transmission ( original)
[04:39] <OERIAS> command not found
[04:39] <OerHeks> Bashing-om, and you are right about that package, but i gave full-upgrade, that would install it anyway .. odd
[04:42] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: OERIAS Uh huh strange , a carry over also from libre-office PPA for " libreoffice-style-elementary " . ??
[04:43] <OERIAS> Bashing-om, I think that is a theme for libreoffice
[04:43] <Bashing-om> !ppa | OERIAS
[04:44] <OERIAS> So what should I do?
[04:46] <OerHeks> OERIAS, i am crawling in that ppa list of yours, most of them are theme related
[04:46] <OerHeks> no clue why this happened to you
[04:47] <OERIAS> Because I got the ppas from OMG!Ubuntu
[04:47] <OerHeks> ( and again a reminder to myself: stay away from funny ppa's)
[04:47] <OERIAS> I customise the theme of ubuntu since the defaults are lame!
[04:47] <OerHeks> maybe the bug is not in 1 ppa, but a combo of 2 or more ppas...
[04:47] <ragnarock_2> Hm, maybe this could be a better question: What's the big difference between the proprietary and open source Radeon drivers?
[04:48] <ragnarock_2> Cause I'm getting ready to reinstall one of them to see what happens :p
[04:48] <OerHeks> ragnarock_2, open radeon or amdgpu, you get the driver automaticly for your hardware
[04:48] <uzjsn> one works, other pretends to
[04:48] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: in terminal>       sudo apt install inxi pastebinit
[04:48] <Bashing-om> OERIAS: Well. our goal here is a stable syste, . Were me I would revert transmission to the repo version, and maybe also libreoffice . what now ; ' apt-cache policy libreoffice ' ?
[04:48] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: let me know when it's done
[04:49] <ragnarock_2> I'm running on an old as bones Powermac, just trying to find out which one's best for it :)
[04:49] <ragnarock_2> And okay!
[04:49] <OERIAS> Bashing-om, https://paste.ubuntu.com/24062824/
[04:50] <uzjsn> sometimes it is better to remove the conflicting packages from /var/lib/dpkg/status
[04:50] <uzjsn> they will continue to work, but the system will forget about them and their conflicts
[04:50] <Bashing-om> ragnarock_2: 16.04+ in AMD it is only open source . AMD is trying real hard to make us happy .
[04:51] <uzjsn> apt is not a very good package manager and doesn't handle package conflicts well
[04:51] <ragnarock_2> Oh nice :)
[04:51] <u_u> hi im having trouble removing a ppa from my system using ppa purge
[04:52] <OerHeks> uzjsn, that would be fixed with apt install -f
[04:52] <u_u> im using this command: sudo ppa-purge ppa:ubuntu-desktop/gtk320 but when apt tries to update i get a 404 error
[04:52] <uzjsn> OerHeks: it won't be fixed, that command will delete packages with broken dependencies, sometimes the entire set of X software
[04:52] <OerHeks> u_u, on what ubuntu version?
[04:53] <u_u> xenial
[04:53] <OerHeks> u_u, too soon, ppa is for the next yakkety 16.10 >> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/gtk320
[04:53] <Bashing-om> OERIAS: Getting the more curios all the time . As libreoffice is not installed why then does the system want " libreoffice-style-elementary " ?? Let's see what results ' sudo apt remove libreoffice-style-elementary ' .
[04:53] <OerHeks> u_u, just remove the lines in update/sources, as it never installed any package, so you are safe
[04:53] <u_u> @OerHeks: oops. so how do i remove it
[04:54] <ragnarock_2> Okay they're done installing!
[04:54] <ragnarock_2> @ tatertots
[04:54] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: in terminal>      inxi -Fxxrzc0|pastebinit
[04:54] <OERIAS> Bashing-om, I do have libreoffice
[04:54] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: press enter, then share the url/link here
[04:55] <OERIAS> I am currently using it to write a paper
[04:55] <ragnarock_2> What do those flags mean?
[04:55] <ragnarock_2> Just curious :p
[04:55] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: it's c then the number 0 NOT the letter O
[04:55] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: man inxi
[04:56] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: type ^^ the above if you need to be educated on it
[04:56] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: otherwise just do as i say
[04:56] <ragnarock_2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24062846/
[04:56] <Bashing-om> OERIAS: Well the plot thickins as " libreoffice: >> Installed: (none) " dpkg does not think so .
[04:57] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: in terminal>     id|pastebinit
[04:57] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: press enter, then share the url/link here
[04:58] <ragnarock_2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24062853/
[04:59] <ragnarock_2> I just read the paste. I think it might help if I ran that as a normal user hahaha
[04:59] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: first of all...you shouldn't be casually using root....the first instruction was botched because you were using root, i'm not trying to tell you how to run your system, i'm telling you inxi is NOT to be run as root
[05:00] <ragnarock_2> I should've known better. Sorry D:
[05:00] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: no worries...new users commonly go out of their way to log in as root........for some strange reason
[05:01] <ragnarock_2> I'm not exactly new, just incredibly clumsy :p
[05:01] <ragnarock_2> Well, actually I'm very new to Ubuntu. I normally run Arch or Mint :)
[05:01] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: your inxi doesn't show "advanced" data about graphics because you were root..and that's kinda what this was all about "graphics"
[05:02] <OERIAS> I tried something new let me reboot to report the results
[05:02] <ragnarock_2> Anyway let me get you the right data lmao
[05:03] <ragnarock_2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24062871/
[05:04] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: much better
[05:04] <ragnarock_2> My biggest problem is that I only seem to have one resolution, 1600x1200. I had 1920x1080 just days ago before I ran do release-upgrade
[05:04] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: in terminal>      xrandr|pastebinit
[05:05] <ragnarock_2> And I'm tempted to reinstall whatever the ATI drivers are, though truth be told I haven't the slightestclue about that :p
[05:05] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: share url/link here
[05:05] <ragnarock_2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24062876/
[05:06] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: sounds like you were using fglrx before (its no longer supported or available in ubuntu > 14.x)
[05:07] <ragnarock_2> Ahh
[05:07] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: now you have the kernel supplied driver and from what i can see http://paste.ubuntu.com/24062876/  that's the only resolution you'll get
[05:08] <ragnarock_2> Aw man :/
[05:08] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: there's a couple other things we can check though...so hold up
[05:08] <OerHeks> fglrx is available in 14.04 .. sudo ubuntu-drivers list
[05:08] <ragnarock_2> Is that so? :)
[05:09] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: in terminal>      ubuntu-drivers list|pastebinit
[05:09] <ragnarock_2> Doesn't look like ubuntu-drivers is a command :/
[05:09] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: in terminal>       cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log|pastebinit
[05:10] <ragnarock_2> "Command not found" . Doesn't even suggest a package that may have it.
[05:10] <OerHeks> ubuntu-drivers list # can take a minute...
[05:11] <ragnarock_2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24063005/
[05:11] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: most things i'm telling you result in you posting a url/link in the chat room....try to keep up
[05:11] <ragnarock_2> Sorry haha
[05:12] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: in terminal>       cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log|grep EE|pastebinit
[05:12] <ragnarock_2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24063013/
[05:14] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: in terminal>       apt list --installed|grep fgl|pastebinit
[05:15] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: if you do not get a url/link on that one or an error just say so
[05:15] <ragnarock_2> Empty document
[05:15] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: i suspected such
[05:15] <ragnarock_2> Wow lots of logins right now
[05:15] <tarball> hello everyone, I ran checkbox for my system and its report was created in html and "ms excel" files!??!
[05:16] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: in terminal>   ubuntu-drivers list|pastebinit
[05:16] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: after a second or two should show a url/link....if not just say so
[05:16] <OerHeks> ubuntu-drivers list # can take a minute...
[05:16] <ragnarock_2> ubuntu-drivers command not found. :/
[05:16] <ragnarock_2> Ahhhhh!
[05:17] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: something is wrong....
[05:17] <ragnarock_2> Yeah, that is weird. Explains why "Additional Drivers" didn't start
[05:17] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: ubuntu-drivers IS a command that SHOULD be found in a normal installation
[05:17] <OerHeks> ragnarock_2, odd, there is something fishy here .. 14.04 definitly got ubuntu-drivers
[05:17] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: making your installation "abnormal'
[05:17] <OerHeks> time to reinstall
[05:18] <ragnarock_2> If it explains anything I upgraded from 12.04 to 14.04.5 via do release-upgrade
[05:18] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: you also have a failed fglrx in your logs
[05:18] <OerHeks> or... tatertots ... is this because it is an ancient ppc????
[05:18] <ragnarock_2> and if it really explains anything, yeah... ancient ppc :p
[05:18] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: if you really want detailed answers get me a report
[05:19] <ragnarock_2> But I'd like to think there's at least a solution, given all was fine before the upgrade
[05:19] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: in terminal>     sudo apt install sosreport
[05:19]  * tatertots rolls up his sleeves
[05:20] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: let me know when it's done
[05:20] <ragnarock_2> while that's installing, thanks for taking your time haha. I'm normally decent at finding this stuff out myself, but PPC's a whole different planet for me haha
[05:21] <ragnarock_2> Setting up sosreport
[05:21] <ragnarock_2> done!
[05:21] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: in terminal>      sudo sosreport
[05:22] <tarball> I'd run Checkbox about 3,5 hours ago, and I'd seen its html report created. I just saw an "xlsx" version of the report that was accessed 2,5 hours ago, which was not by me..so that's being..hacked?
[05:22] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: firstinitial=r    lastname=agnarock2
[05:22] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: in case you were struggling with that part
[05:22] <tarball> or is checkbox creating its report in ms excel format?
[05:23] <ragnarock_2> what about case number?
[05:23] <OERIAS> I tried removing the broken packages via Aptitude
[05:23] <OERIAS> and it doesn't work
[05:23] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: skip case number by pressing enter again
[05:23] <ragnarock_2> alright :)
[05:23] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: i'm doing this off the record so there is no case number
[05:24] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: let it run...let me know when its done
[05:24] <tatertots> hey that rhymed...run and done lol
[05:24] <Bashing-om> OERIAS: what broken packages ? we still at the transmission/transmission-gtk fiasco ?
[05:24] <ragnarock_2> hahaha!
[05:25] <OerHeks> ppa-trolling ..
[05:25] <OERIAS> Bashing-om, yes
[05:25] <uzjsn> more like 3rd world package manager
[05:25] <OerHeks> time to reinstall, OERIAS
[05:26] <tarball> I got an xlsx file as Checkbox output
[05:26] <OERIAS> OerHeks, reinstall ubuntu? I knew this was going to happen
[05:26] <ragnarock_2> It's done tatertots
[05:26] <OerHeks> 30 minutes and you are back
[05:26] <tarball> why am I not getting any help here?
[05:27] <OERIAS> OerHeks, then I have to reconfigure and crap. man I am going for a long time
[05:27] <ragnarock_2> I'd be glad to help tarball, but I've got a wacky predicament of my own :x
[05:28] <Bashing-om> OERIAS: Uh Huh ^^ we can fight this dependency issues for hours . or reinstall in a matter of minutes ( with good backups ) .
[05:28] <tarball> thank you ragnarock_2
[05:28] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: in terminal>     sudo chown $USER /tmp/sos*
[05:28] <ragnarock_2> done
[05:28] <tarball> today since I reinstalled ubuntu all sorts of bizarre things happened.
[05:28] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: in terminal>     mv /tmp/sos* ~/
[05:28] <tarball> and now an xlsx file pops up in my file manager
[05:28] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: there is a space after *
[05:29] <ragnarock_2> done
[05:29] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: look in your home folder for the report files
[05:29] <Bashing-om> OERIAS: Mind ya I am willing to fight as long as you are . But be prepared to revert PPAs back to what is in our repo .
[05:29] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: confirm they exist
[05:30] <ragnarock_2> got sosreport-ragnarock2-20170225052327.tar.xz
[05:30] <ragnarock_2> plus the md5
[05:30] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: upload both files to https://filebin.net/ and share the url/link
[05:32] <ragnarock_2> https://filebin.net/9xdr8p0m1pfkm781
[05:33] <ragnarock_2> @ tatertots
[05:33] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: got it ...standby
[05:33] <ragnarock_2> gotcha :)
[05:33] <ragnarock_2> What all info does this provide? I'm curious :)
[05:33] <Shmam> I am trying to follow this guide: https://github.com/NextThingCo/CHIP-SDK and ran "vagrant up" which worked fine but how do I run "vagrant ssh" in the same shell?
[05:34] <Shmam> I don't really know what a shell it
[05:34] <Shmam> is*
[05:34] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: if you had a support contract... a support engineer may ask you to provide this report to assist in resolving your issues
[05:34] <ragnarock_2> Ohhh. Are you one?
[05:36] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: let try not to get me banned from this place again okay
[05:36] <ragnarock_2> sorry :P
[05:37] <Shmam> Hello?
[05:37] <ragnarock_2> Hello!
[05:37] <Shmam> This is probably pretty basic, how do I run two commands in the same shell?
[05:38] <ragnarock_2> At once or one after the othr?
[05:38] <Shmam> one after other
[05:38] <ragnarock_2> command1 ; command2
[05:38] <Shmam> I need to run "vagrant run" then "vagrant ssh"
[05:38] <Shmam> in the same shell
[05:39] <Shmam> If I run vagrant up, I can't do anything else in the terminal window
[05:39] <ragnarock_2> If it helps you can put & after a command so that you can keep putting in commands
[05:40] <pavlos> Shmam, maybe you can ask in the #vagrant channel
[05:40] <ragnarock_2> But don't close the terminal if you do that. The program's attached to it :P
[05:40] <OerHeks> Shmam, you might want to reask in #vagrant as well
[05:40] <Shmam> ok asking in #vagrant
[05:41] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: this is all the x drivers installed on your system https://gist.github.com/dead9a7cf0e5825e983e80869535b099
[05:41] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: i did not find fglrx
[05:41] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: which is the proprietary driver
[05:41] <OERIAS> Man I have to copy the files to the drive
[05:42] <ragnarock_2> ahhh I see
[05:42] <OerHeks> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?arch=powerpc&keywords=fglrx no fglrx for ppc
[05:42] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: your xserver however tried to load fglrx but it failed as you can see here http://paste.ubuntu.com/24063013/
[05:43] <ragnarock_2> Oh, I see
[05:43] <Shmam> theres nobody in #vagrant
[05:44] <Shmam> I just need to run "vagrant up" and then wait for ssh server to start then run "vagrant ssh" in the same shell
[05:44] <Bashing-om> tatertots: ragnarock_2 What kernel are you working with ' uname -r ' .
[05:44] <Shmam> how do I do that?
[05:44] <ragnarock_2> 3.2.0-23-powerpc-smp
[05:45] <jnpr> hello folks
[05:46] <jnpr> i'm having a slight difficulty connecting a bluetooth keyboard to my computer
[05:46] <jnpr> it connects and pairs, but shows up as an unknown device
[05:46] <tatertots> Bashing-om: info including kernel is shown here http://paste.ubuntu.com/24062871/
[05:46] <ragnarock_2> Hm wait. I remembered one little detail that may or may not explain anything
[05:47] <Bashing-om> ragnarock_2:  well so much for my thought , that kernel should have FGLRX support .
[05:48] <kang0> (kang0) https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BSN4UY/ref=oh_details_o06_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[05:48] <kang0> Can someone explain me this?
[05:48] <kang0> Use case
[05:48] <tarball> I got an xlsx file as Checkbox output
[05:48] <ragnarock_2> Hm, I'm having a weird thought. Could the kernel have been replaced with another 3.2.0-23-powerpc-smp during "do release-upgrade" ?
[05:49] <ragnarock_2> I'm asking because with this old hunk of junk, there's a really weird way to boot into Linux.
[05:49] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: would you like to know that...i can find out
[05:49] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: standby
[05:49] <Bashing-om> tatertots: I do not know powerpc .. but a 3.2 kernel for a trusty install ???
[05:49] <ragnarock_2> Which involves being booted into Mac OS 9 first, then loading a kernel file and initrd separately
[05:50] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic trusty
[05:50] <ragnarock_2> And since Mac OS can't read ext I have to copy the kernel and initrd manually.
[05:51] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: this is all your grub2 shows right now  https://gist.github.com/0ae4a821d6c1ce17894b7fa7feae0000
[05:51] <ragnarock_2> Oh... I can't use grub to boot :P
[05:51] <ragnarock_2> Though maybe some of that info's relevant.
[05:51] <tarball> is this ubuntu help channel? I say I found an xlsx file right in the middle of my system
[05:51] <ragnarock_2> I use this little thing called BootX
[05:52] <tarball> and this file is Checkbox tool report
[05:52] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: wouldn't do you much good anyway since there'd only be what you have now as an option
[05:52] <tarball> does ubuntu produce reports in ms excel format?
[05:53] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: you had fglrx prior to the upgrade
[05:55] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: after the upgrade you were left with kernel supplied driver which limited your resolution choices to http://paste.ubuntu.com/24062876/ that being said you can install from scratch your desired ubuntu version, keep what you have right now, or go back to what you had previously (as far as ubuntu version is concerned)...balls in your court
[05:55] <ragnarock_2> I see I see...
[05:55] <ragnarock_2> Think I could gamble with the open source driver?
[05:56] <ragnarock_2> Referring to this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/AMD
[05:57] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: do you have a printer?
[05:58] <ragnarock_2> Not attached to this thing, no
[05:59] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: ok
[05:59] <ragnarock_2> There is a Kodak AIO Hero in my home network I could possibly access via LPD
[05:59] <ragnarock_2> But, I have no clue how to do that :/
[06:00] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: my concern is that "ubuntu-drivers" does not exist for you. which is the ideal way that you would normally discover proprietary drivers
[06:00] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: you can try a manual strategy however YMMV
[06:01] <ragnarock_2> YMMV?
[06:01] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: Your Mileage May Vary ......from what you see other users experience
[06:02] <tatertots> ragnarock_2: Your Mileage May Vary ......from what you see other users experience or from the normal
[06:02] <ragnarock_2> I'm not entirely a stranger to manual methods, depending what you mean by manual of course haha.
[06:02] <ragnarock_2> I can compile most packages from source as long as there's clear directions, if that's what you're talking about :p
[06:03] <caine> rtfus
[06:03] <caine> hiiii
[06:03] <pavlos> Shmam, I just created a vagrant up, it imported it into VB and I was able to vagrant ssh to the vm.
[06:05] <caine> 8o73rt
[06:07] <tocmo0nlord> i want to make an empty file can i do touch .htaccess  ?
[06:08] <tarball> I repeated the test and and the test report in xlsx file again! since when does ubuntu work with ms office?
[06:09] <Bashing-om> tocmo0nlord: Depends; who has access to the directoy that contains .htacces ?
[06:09] <tocmo0nlord> i hax root
[06:10] <Bashing-om> tocmo0nlord: Care then .. root'n around where root is not needed can have undesired side-effects .
[06:10] <epac> I'm trying to setup an initrd for booting a system with a USB nic (r8152). The module is in the right place (best i can tell -- i can modprobe the module from tty2). setting up the modprobe command in the early_command on the preseed appears to not load the module... any suggestions?
[06:10] <tocmo0nlord> will the command work tho?
[06:10] <tocmo0nlord> i could nano but im curious to touch
[06:12] <asi> hey
[06:12] <Bashing-om> tocmo0nlord: Most likely - depending on ownership and permissions // there are those situations that the system trys to protect it's self .
[06:12] <pavlos> tarball, libreoffice can read xlsx
[06:15] <tarball> pavlos, I ran Checbox twice, and each time the test report was created in html and xslx formats. this is what I am referring to. ubuntu tool's report is created with ms excel??!
[06:16] <tarball> first I thought nothing other than something going wrong, but when it was created again in the second run..
[06:18] <pavlos> tarball, I have not used Checkbox but if the resulting report is in html/xls format, you can view the html via browser or use libreoffice to view the xls file.
[06:21] <tarball> pavlos, the point is why it is in xslx format?
[06:21] <tarball> Does ubuntu contain ms office?
[06:22] <pavlos> tarball, libreoffice and librecalc
[06:22] <tarball> or libre office?
[06:23] <tarball> pavlos, then how come the system testing tool of ubuntu created the report output as xlsx file?
[06:24] <pavlos> tarball, b/c if you double click it, it probably opens libre calc to view the results
[06:25] <tarball> pavlos, certainly it opens libre office, as ubuntu does not run ms office. but how/why is the output xlsx?
[06:27] <pavlos> tarball, libreoffice (writer, calc, impress) is equivalent to MSoffice (word, excel, powerpoint).
[06:28] <tarball> pavlos, am I not able to make the point clear?
[06:29] <pavlos> tarball, no ... checkbox gives you output files in various formats, one of them is xls. So, use libre calc to view it
[06:29] <Aurorasaura> What does vi stand for ?
[06:30] <tarball> pavlos, of all free formats why does ubuntu choose primarily xls -a windows format- to produce its output? am I using windows or ubuntu?
[06:30] <epac> Aurorasaura: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vi - it stands for the shortest ex command to get into visual mode.
[06:30] <Aurorasaura> like sudo vi /etc/whatever
[06:30] <SwedeMike> Aurorasaura: "It was not until version 2.0 of ex, released as part of Second Berkeley Software Distribution[4] in May, 1979 that the editor was installed under the name "vi" (which took users straight into ex's visual mode), and the name by which it is known today. "
[06:31] <Aurorasaura> Thank you epac
[06:32] <pavlos> tarball, interoperability ... be able to view/edit files either from libreoffice or msoffice
[06:33] <tarball> interoperability is not about using proprietary format instead of the free format in your hand.
[06:33] <Aurorasaura> Just wanted to verify that in Ubuntu server changing the /etc/passwd file for a user from /bin/bash to bin/false removes only the ability to log in to the server interface
[06:33] <tarball> I cant make sense of your argumentation, pavlos
[06:34] <tarball> let's all use windows formats, then..let's use .exe, .bat, .dll..why dont we do? let's close the FOSS shop
[06:34] <tarball> then maybe Redmond shows a big interest in developing ubuntu further
[06:35] <pavlos> tarball, libreoffice writes odt files but also has the ability to read/write excel files. Nothing to do with exe, bat, or dll
[06:36] <epac> anyone has a clue about debian-installer and when/where i can load drivers?
[06:36] <pavlos> tarball, since I cannot explain better, I hope someone else will ...
[06:36] <tarball> sure I will bring this up in a wider sense
[06:38] <uzjsn> xlsx format was designed in 2006
[06:38] <tarball> so what?
[06:38] <tarball> it's ms
[06:38] <uzjsn> ods format was designed in 1994
[06:38] <uzjsn> for a windows 3.1 application called StarOffice
[06:39] <uzjsn> it is clear which one is superior
[06:39] <tarball> the point is xls is ms excel, which a FOSS system is not supposed to produce its documents with
[06:39] <tarball> let's adopt all the "superior" stuff from windows then
[06:40] <tarball> let's make it SOSS..superior open source software
[06:40] <tarball> superior as in superior speech
[06:40] <epac> tarball: to a certain extent the format has been reversed engineered, so a FOSS system could. that being said, it doesn't help the argument to keep things "Free(TM)/Libre" in the long run, but it does help with interoperability.
[06:41] <epac> neither one is "superior" to the other, without proper context. Superior at what?
[06:41] <uzjsn> xls format was documented in 2001
[06:41] <tarball> I didnt say superior
[06:41] <tarball> I quoted
[06:41] <uzjsn> and it is trivial to implement
[06:41] <uzjsn> unlike ODS which requires XML and ZIP
[06:42] <epac> tarball: that was more aimed at uzjsn...
[06:42] <tarball> epac, yes I see
[06:42] <epac> well, Zip is patented...
[06:42] <epac> so technically, not "free".
[06:44] <tarball> the logic of such adoption is flawed
[06:45] <tarball> and adoption this way is even worse, when you have options. that shows you don't care.
[06:47] <tepas> hola
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> !es | tepas
[06:57] <pavlos> Aurorasaura, re /bin/false, that is correct, no shell will be provided hence no login
[07:13] <eightfold> hi there
[07:14] <eightfold> i wonder where gedit saves its backup files
[07:14] <eightfold> i had the backup feature enabled
[07:14] <eightfold> and laptop battery died
[07:14] <eightfold> i wonder where the unsaved documents go...
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> eightfold: perhaps have a look in the /home with unhidden folders? or /tmp?
[07:16] <eightfold> hmm...
[07:16] <eightfold> looking here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/243768/where-can-i-find-gedits-backup-files-and-how-to-open-them
[07:17] <eightfold> it says nothing about backing up the UNSAVED documents...
[07:17] <eightfold> fffuuuuu
[07:18] <eightfold> "I have run a couple of tests [for my own sanity] and it appears as if the autosave feature only works when you are working on a previously saved file."
[07:18] <eightfold> how incredibly worthless. well, looking for another text editor...
[07:19] <eightfold> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/14837
[07:19] <mcrt> eightfold: maybe file a bug report, so they can improve :)
[07:19] <eightfold> yeah, good idea
[07:21] <epac> eightfold: check out atom (atom.io) -- it might have something about unsaved files...
[07:22] <epac> (thought it might be an additional addon)
[07:23] <eightfold> epac: isn't that the text editor that tracked your usage with google analytics?
[07:24] <epac> does it?
[07:24] <epac> hmm
[07:24]  * epac thinks it's time to dig more into this...
[07:24] <epac> i don't know -- i'll have to check
[07:24] <eightfold> https://github.com/atom/metrics
[07:24] <eightfold> yes it wwas
[07:25] <eightfold> can be turned off it seems
[07:25] <epac> indeed.
[07:25] <epac> just found the page on github with the details on that.
[07:25] <epac> thank you for making me aware of this...
[07:25] <mcrt> eightfold:
[07:25] <mcrt> Description bi2h5da02 2007-10-10 18:07:53 UTC
[07:26] <mcrt> woops
[07:26]  * epac is going through and disabling that everywhere now...
[07:26] <mcrt> eightfold: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=682977
[07:27] <mcrt> eightfold: seems like this has been an issue for a while... (bug from 2012)
[07:29] <eightfold> https://github.com/dsoprea/GeditSafetySave
[07:29] <eightfold> thanks!
[07:31] <degenerate> hey having some problems getting my radeon r7 370 to work on ubuntu i couldnt get it to  work on 16.x  so im running 14.04  now tryin to see if it will work any better
[07:31] <degenerate>  	graphics/driver_version 	FAILED 	ERROR: No video driver loaded! Possibly in failsafe mode! ------------- VIDEO DRIVER INFORMATION ------------- ------------- HYBRID GRAPHICS CHECK ---------------- Graphics Chipset: AMD (1002:6811) Loaded DDX Drivers: ati, radeon, modesetting, fbdev, vesa Hybrid Graphics: no
[07:31] <degenerate> i got that in my system testing
[07:32] <degenerate> and Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.8, 256 bits)   in my pc info
[07:34] <degenerate> i can see fglrx  proprietary driver and fglfx-updates   but when i click on one and hit apply chances it starts then stops and reverts back to Advanced Micro Devices Inc    Using X.org X server   AMD/ATI Displayu wrapper from xserver-xorg
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> degenerate: you tested this on updated systems? aka 14.04.5 and 16.04.2?
[07:35] <Bashing-om> degenerate: Dependent on the kernel. what kernel are you running in 14.04 ' uname -r ' ?
[07:36] <degenerate> degenerate@degenerate-Alienware-X51-R3:~$ uname -r
[07:36] <degenerate> 4.4.0-64-generic
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic trusty
[07:40] <degenerate> lotuspsychje,    i couldnt find any help in 16.10  thats what i tried
[07:40] <Bashing-om> degenerate: No FGLRX for you '' too mew of a kernel . If ya want/need FGLRX it is either downgrade the X stack to 3.13 or clean install 14.04.1 .
[07:40] <degenerate> lol
[07:41] <degenerate> this is becoming such a headache
[07:41] <degenerate> all i wanted to do was try steam csgo on my alienware desktop
[07:41] <lord-ragnarock> (ragnarock_2 via laptop) I just did sudo apt-get install linux-powerpc-smp, which supposedly downloaded the latest kernel (3.16 I think?), but I can't seem to find it in my /boot folder, just good old 3.2 ;/ Where does apt store this stuff?
[07:42] <degenerate> ive tried 3 diffrent ubuntus and fresh installed maybe 7 times already ....   so 14.04.01   u think will handle it?
[07:42] <Bashing-om> degenerate: AMD is in the midst of giving us what we asked for . there are growing pains .
[07:42] <epac> why is there a set of efi signed kernels in the dists folders for Xenial, but not matching updates for the initrd.gz for netbooting with?
[07:43] <alkisg> epac: initrd is generated, not shipped
[07:44] <alkisg> With update-initramfs
[07:44] <degenerate> Bashing-om,    http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/14.04.1/  64-bit PC (AMD64) desktop image   correct?
[07:44] <Bashing-om> degenerate: Yes on 14.04.1 .. The last to support FGLRX is the 3.13 series kernels .
[07:44] <degenerate> ill download burn and give it a shot thanks for your help
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> degenerate: but then also be carefull with a (not updated) system
[07:45] <degenerate> well i mean what other option do i have    install windows or buy another graphics card
[07:46] <Bashing-om> degenerate: ^^ make sure you do not opt in for HWE, as then you are back in no support for a proprietary driver .
[07:46] <Bashing-om> !hwe | degenerate
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> degenerate: you can also hang at #gamingonlinux where they know alot of workarounds
[07:47] <degenerate> lotuspsychje,   thanks ill ask in there
[07:50] <darkzek> A external drive is not showing up at all, I have tried 2 cables so far neither of them work. Output of "sudo  lshw -C disk": http://pastebin.com/Q3k3TjE1
[07:51] <lotuspsychje> darkzek: what happens if you tail -f /var/log/syslog and plugin?
[07:51] <lotuspsychje> darkzek: what brand of hd? usb3 ?
[07:53] <mcrt> how come ati is lagging so badly with their drivers?
[07:53] <alkisg> darkzek: `udevadm monitor` shows usb events, connections and disconnections etc. Have it running while trying to connect the disk. Also, if the disk requires more power than your usb port offers (and you hear clinging sounds), use a usb hub which might give more power, or a Y cable with 2 USB connections to 1
[07:54] <darkzek> A old usb one, dont know what version though
[07:55] <darkzek> tail -f /var/log/syslog returns "http://pastebin.com/LMNvG41N"
[07:55] <lotuspsychje> mcrt: join #ubuntu-discuss for topics on matters like that
[07:55] <mcrt> lotuspsychje: thanks
[07:55] <mcrt> s/ati/amd :P
[07:56] <darkzek> alkisg just tried that and nothing came up, the leds light up but no sounds or anything. Must just be dead
[07:57] <darkzek> Thanks for trying :)
[07:57] <lotuspsychje> darkzek: doesnt seem like usefull usb errors
[07:58] <alkisg> darkzek: try in another port with more power first
[07:58] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: +1 good idea
[07:58] <alkisg> darkzek: it's very common for disks to need 700 mh and usb ports to provide only 500 ma
[07:58] <alkisg> That's why the Y cables exist
[07:59] <alkisg> And some usb hubs provide 1000 ma,
[07:59] <alkisg> so if you have one that is externally powered, try putting it between the disk and the pc
[08:01] <darkzek> I dont have any usb hubs or anything like that, I tried on my case's usb and my extra usb extention card and neither of them work.
[08:01] <metaresolve> Hi. I learned psql on a VPS that I rent. I'm now working with sensitive information and want to run a virtual box on my windows machine so i can access ubuntu and psql
[08:01] <darkzek> Still nothing work
[08:01] <metaresolve> but i'm having problems installing the virtualbox. can someone help? or suggest how I might access psql?
[08:01] <Ben64> metaresolve: for windows help, go to ##windows
[08:02] <alkisg> darkzek: try putting it to an internal sata connection then
[08:02] <OERIAS> back
[08:02] <theparadoxer02> how to toogle between two tabs of terminal ?
[08:03] <ducasse> theparadoxer02: depends on the terminal
[08:03] <theparadoxer02> i am using default terminal
[08:04] <Bashing-om> OERIAS: Back with good news ? - I am about to close this session and go to bed .
[08:04] <OERIAS> I reinstalled
[08:04] <OERIAS> Just did a simple back up
[08:05] <Bashing-om> OERIAS: Good deal .. all the better now ?
[08:06] <OERIAS> yes, just default ubuntu sucks
[08:08] <Bashing-om> OERIAS: Though I can use unity, I am not a fan . There are many othe DEs .
[08:08] <Apachez> anyone in here experienced input/output errors when libreoffice 5.2.2.2 (the one included in ubuntu 16.10) is about to open/save files on network shares? any workaround or fix for this?
[08:10] <shady_> good day all
[08:10] <OERIAS> themes Bashing-om
[08:11] <shady_> every time I run software updater I receive the coming error(W:GPG error: https://download.01.org/gfx/ubuntu/16.10/main yakkety InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 611B903CAB97EA77, E:The repository 'https://download.01.org/gfx/ubuntu/16.10/main yakkety InRelease' is not signed.)
[08:12] <Bashing-om> !themes | OERIAS Seen these ?
[08:24] <CombuderBob> I want to mount an EncFS folder in /mnt/My_Files by pre-creating a folder and chown'ing it. Are there any security/stability issues compared to mounting it as a folder in my Home folder?
[08:25] <alkisg> After you mount it, verify that others cannot access it; it's not guaranteed to take the mode of the My_Files folder
[08:26] <alkisg> It takes the mode of the mounting options
[08:26] <alkisg> So if /home/username is 700, and /home/username/my_files is 755, others cannot see it; but if /mnt/my_files is 755, they'll be able to see it
[08:28] <CombuderBob> Ok, that seems reasonable.
[08:30] <CombuderBob> By the way, I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around permissions in general. When we talk about others in Linux does that mean other users on the computer/network if shared or more towards other applications not run from my user? Actually, more like: Know any good guides?
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> !chmod | CombuderBob
[08:30] <CombuderBob> Nice!
[08:44] <CombuderBob> Ok, I think I've got it now. I've done it before but only following guides without actually understanding what I've done. I've composed a string of commands, could you verify or point out errors please? :)
[08:44] <CombuderBob> sudo mkdir /mnt/Files -> sudo chown bob /mnt/Files -> chmod u=rxw /mnt/Files -> chmod o-rwx /mnt/Files
[08:47] <Ben64> CombuderBob: why not just chmod 750 /mnt/Files
[08:50] <CombuderBob> Ben64: Because I followed the guides example of using letters instead of numbers. ^^ Basically I'd like to verify that my example would do the same so I know I actually understand what I'm doing and not rely on irc support or internet searches. :)
[08:53] <mahakal> Hello Guys, running command "sudo fdisk -l " is showing some suspicious behavious
[08:53] <mahakal> Have a look :  http://termbin.com/txcv
[08:55] <mahakal> This is the output of "mount" command : http://termbin.com/q3qw
[09:03] <mcrt> mahakal: probably will not cause too much trouble
[09:04] <mcrt> mahakal: might cause some performance issues though. if possible re-create the partition with something else than fdisk
[09:05] <garybot> Hey can I ask a question regarding building android apps in ubuntu??
[09:06] <garybot> I want to know how to build the apk after making changes.. i'm using android-sdk..
[09:07] <mcrt> mahakal: (the partion should start at sector 2048 instead of 63)
[09:07] <mcrt> partition*
[09:07] <Apachez> so Im the only one with a libreoffice who doesnt want to open nor save files on network shares? :S
[09:08] <mcrt> Apachez: how come?
[09:08] <Apachez> mcrt: ?
[09:08] <Apachez> gedit can open the file (and save)
[09:09] <Apachez> but libre just whines about "file not found" but its obviously there
[09:09] <mcrt> ah. no clue, sorry... maybe somebody else can help.
[09:10] <mahakal> mcrt: i did not make any change to hard disk file system.But i am expermenting with a 16gb pendrive.for your convenice i want to inform you that when these commands were run,all usb ports were in use :one having 16gb pendrive,2nd having android tablet connected via usb  the third is kyebord receiver
[09:11] <mahakal> Though i updated grub 2 day ago which was granted permission to /dev/sda as the official askubuntu.com has advised
[09:13] <mcrt> mahakal: probably nothing to do with the usb stuff. if everything works ok, you can just ignore that warning :)
[09:13] <mahakal> mcrt: yup everything is ok
[09:13] <mahakal> mcrt: my real problem is that
[09:13] <isky897> hi
[09:14] <isky897> I am trying to install ubuntu but I get the message: Force UEFI Installation? This machines's firmware has started this installer in UEFI mode but it looks like there maybe existing operating systems already installed using BIOS compatibility mode, If you continue to install Debian in UEFI mode,it might be difficult to reboot into any BIOS-mode operating system.
[09:14] <isky897> and it will not close...
[09:14] <ElectroXexual> I have ubuntu 16.04 LTS, I had Unity but I installed xfce alongside it...the file manager in it i.e Thunar keeps crashing...is it a bug?..or something else is causing it?
[09:14] <isky897> I cant go  forward or backward in the installation
[09:15] <Serdar> hi all
[09:15] <Serdar> I have an SSD here which suddenlz shows just 8M instead of 256G
[09:15] <Serdar> also fdisk sazs 8M
[09:15] <mahakal> mcrt: while experimenting  with gparted..i make partition on my usb with ext4 as file system.Now when i tried to use that usb on Guest mode it says pemission denied
[09:15] <garybot> @isky i think you got to change to legacy mode
[09:16] <isky897> chkdsk?
[09:16] <elias_a> Is it possible to change the default save location of print to file in 16.04?
[09:16] <alkisg> isky897: what's the output of this command? sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[09:16] <Serdar> there is no such a tool like chkdsk
[09:16] <isky897> @alkisg I dont have aterminal in installation mode
[09:16] <garybot> chkdsk is a windows tool
[09:17] <isky897> @garybot I tried to do that on bios and it seems ok
[09:17] <alkisg> isky897: press alt+ctrl+f1 to switch to text mode, then run the command, then alt+ctrl+f7 to swtich back to graphiccs mode
[09:17] <elias_a> Print to (pdf) file does not seem to remember the last folder the file was saved into.
[09:17] <isky897> garybot I know, but not sure which fs he has, e2fschk I think is the think.
[09:17] <Serdar> should I use wine or what_
[09:17] <isky897> thing
[09:18] <isky897> not, use a tool for linux sure, but check the disk
[09:18] <garybot> oh.. well boot in legacy mode that should solve your problem..
[09:18] <garybot> your trying to dual boot ubuntu and windows i guess..
[09:18] <isky897> mabe the partition table is problem, you could put a another one, but i dont know what you did to the disk before
[09:18] <alkisg> mahakal: yes, ext4 file systems have permissions, so if you want any user to be able to write to it, either mount it with different permissions, or use another file system
[09:18] <isky897> @garybot at some point in the future but not now
[09:19] <isky897> the installation also let me choose a password for secure boot
[09:20] <mahakal> alkisg: i have change the owner from root to me many times using sudo chown ..but whenever i reinsert it the owner is set to root agains
[09:20] <alkisg> mahakal: how do you set the owner to you? Also, "guest" is not "you", it's another user.
[09:22] <mahakal> alkisg: first i use "sudo chown mahakal:mahakal /dev/sde" then i use "sudo chmod 777 /dev/sde"
[09:22] <alkisg> mahakal: you're changing the block device, while what you want is to change the permissions of a folder
[09:22] <mahakal> And guest is "other" ..it should allow other to read write execute
[09:22] <Serdar> I am here on a bood usb and need to check the disk, where NTFS was used, so e2fsck can't be used here :(
[09:23] <alkisg> mahakal: try this: (1) insert stick, let's say it mounts to /media/username/usbstick  (2) sudo mkdir /media/username/usbstick/my-folder (3) sudo chmod 777 /media/username/usbstick/my-folder
[09:23] <MonkeyDust> isky897  you can drop the @ ... simply type two characters of the name, then hit tab
[09:23] <alkisg> mahakal: then everyone will be able to write to that folder. But of course *not* to all the stick, but just to that folder.
[09:23] <isky897> MonkeyDust: got it thx
[09:24] <mahakal> alkisg: ok i will try this and come back..thanks
[09:24] <alkisg> np
[09:25] <mahakal> alkisg: but isnt there any way to give 777 permission to the usb stick itself
[09:25] <mahakal> because i need to use it on my college computers a lot
[09:25] <thibaultmol> There is a problem with the drivers for the gtx 10 series GPU's from nvidia which makes it so that install ubuntu is a pain in the *ss for new users. When are they planning on fixing that in the kernel?
[09:25] <thibaultmol> http://askubuntu.com/questions/795547/ubuntu-16-04-unable-to-boot-with-gtx-1080
[09:26] <alkisg> mahakal: you can put it to /etc/fstab, or you can specify udev rules for it. The default mounts options for usb sticks are not changed with chmod or chown.
[09:26] <alkisg> mahakal: then use vfat or ntfs, not ext4
[09:27] <mahakal> alkisg: before i changed it ..it was using fat32 file system
[09:27] <alkisg> Format it back to fat32 then, it appears that's what suits you better
[09:27] <alkisg> Serdar: if `parted -l` and `fdisk` show 8 mb *disk*, then no file system check will do you any good
[09:28] <tatertots> thibaultmol: you are chatting from a computer with a gtx 10xx in it right now?
[09:28] <thibaultmol> tatertots: I'm on my windows 10 install right now
[09:29] <mahakal> alkisg: ok ,actually i am learning grub and what i want to learn is "Making a multiboot usb",will you suggest any resources to learn this..the internet has information but in very scattered way
[09:29] <thibaultmol> it's an easy fix, but for people who are new to ubuntu and want to try it out, they're going to give up easily if they can't even get passed the installer
[09:30] <alkisg> mahakal: use some of the existing tools like rufus or easy2boot etc, those will tell you to use fat or ntfs32
[09:30] <alkisg> *fat or ntfs
[09:30] <mahakal> alkisg: however is it possible to make a multiboot usb ?
[09:32] <alkisg> mahakal: yes, i have one with 10 distros live cds and windows and a linux installation
[09:32] <MonkeyDust> mahakal  https://www.pendrivelinux.com/multiboot-create-a-multiboot-usb-from-linux/
[09:33] <mahakal> alkisg: you are awesome .I wanna do that ,if you write any personal blog..please please please tell me that
[09:33] <mahakal> MonkeyDust: very thanks
[09:34] <mahakal> alkisg: i have formatted the pd to fat32 using gparted but which flag to set now ?
[09:35] <alkisg> mahakal: I'm not going to write a how-to in irc... use one of the tools, they'll format the stick for you
[09:36] <mahakal> alkisg: i know that thats why  i asked about blog ..LOL
[09:36] <mahakal> alkisg: which flag to set or unset all ?
[09:36] <alkisg> No, I haven't written a blog about how to make a multiboot stick
[09:37] <alkisg> mahakal: don't format it, use a tool
[09:37] <alkisg> They will ask you things like "what os do you want?" and set the proper flags for it
[09:38] <isky897> alkisg: my partition table is ok, I put everything there, I have some experience with linux, not with ufi and secure boot
[09:38] <mahakal> alkisg: currently i want to use usb for general stuff like movies,text.pics etc
[09:38] <alkisg> mahakal: then no flags are needed
[09:39] <alkisg> isky897: from your partitions we'll be able to see if your system is using uefi or not
[09:40] <ducasse> isky897: what does 'ls /sys/firmware/efi' say?
[09:40] <isky897> the installation requested a EFI partition table at some point, so I am creating one every attempt, but else what would point to UFI?
[09:40] <alkisg> ducasse: he's booted in uefi mode from the live cd, but the question is if his hard disk was using uefi or not
[09:41] <ducasse> alkisg: ok
[09:41] <alkisg> isky897: does the disk have any data in it, or not?
[09:41] <isky897> or brand new
[09:41] <alkisg> If not, you can just reformat it in gpt mode, and be done with it
[09:41] <isky897> no
[09:42] <isky897> gpt mode?
[09:42] <alkisg> It's the partition table for uefi systems
[09:42] <isky897> i boot from usb, in legacy mode apparently
[09:42] <alkisg> Didn't you say that the installer reported that you are in uefi mode?
[09:42] <isky897> i deleted my secure key from bios, so maybe it will work now
[09:43] <alkisg> And that your disk was in legacy mode?
[09:43] <mahakal> alkisg: is there any book on linux booting that touch every details,dangers,best practice for linux booting stuff
[09:44] <alkisg> mahakal: I don't know
[09:44] <alkisg> isky897: you reported this message: "This machines's firmware has started this installer in UEFI mode but it looks like there maybe existing operating systems already installed using BIOS compatibility mode, If you continue to install Debian in UEFI mode,it might be difficult to reboot into any BIOS-mode operating system."
[09:44] <alkisg> That sounds like you booted in uefi mode and your disk is mbr
[09:45] <isky897> ok
[09:45] <gdarko> Hello, i mounted old NTFS drive whenre i store backup data and i noticed some leftovers from the previous windows install in it like "$RECYCLE BIN" (or something like that) while also had "Archive" direcotry  where all the backups were stored (in the same directory). i tried to remove it using the following command rm -rf "$RECYCLE BIN" and it removed "Archive" too!
[09:45] <gdarko> Hell.
[09:45] <lotuspsychje> gdarko: scan the whole drive with photorec to recover data
[09:45] <isky897> i did not boot from these disk but from usb
[09:45] <isky897> I am trying to install from usb
[09:45] <isky897> not os installed previously
[09:45] <isky897> none
[09:46] <alkisg> isky897: can you run terminal commands now?
[09:46] <isky897> yes
[09:46] <gdarko> lotuspsychje: i am already doing this with "undelete" - ubuntu tool i googled
[09:46] <isky897> I chose try it out first
[09:46] <isky897> on boot time
[09:46] <gdarko> lotuspsychje: it was already installed, so i guess it is prepacked.
[09:46] <alkisg> OK, start with this: (ls /sys/firmware/efi; sudo parted -l) | nc termbin.com 9999
[09:46] <gdarko> lotuspsychje: but the directory structure is gone.
[09:46] <isky897> parted does not show anything useful, firmware seems to be there
[09:47] <lotuspsychje> rm -rf can be danger indeed
[09:48] <isky897> http://termbin.com/38tw
[09:48] <alkisg> gdarko:$ echo "$RECYCLE BIN" ==>  BIN. This is because $RECYCLE is an empty variable
[09:48] <isky897> see nothing unusual...
[09:48] <alkisg> gdarko: you should have used '$RECYCLE BIN' instead, not ""
[09:49] <gdarko> Crap. One mistake, i lost part of my life.
[09:49] <alkisg> isky897: nice, so when you go on with the installer now, tell it to format the whole disk in uefi (gpt) mode
[09:50] <mahakal> alkisg: i have set password on my BIOS .Will it have any impact on my dual or muliboot plans
[09:50] <alkisg> mahakal: no
[09:50] <lotuspsychje> !info testdisk | gdarko i use photorec to recover
[09:51] <isky897> ahh, the usb disk may be corrupt....
[09:51] <isky897> fuck it...
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> !language | isky897
[09:52] <isky897> sry, wasted 1 h on that ...
[09:52] <mahakal> alkisg: i also want to remove password.web says that the only way to do this is to remove BIOS and let capacitors discharge.Since doing that on laptop can be risky,IS there any other way?
[09:54] <ducasse> mahakal: ask in ##hardware
[09:59] <backbox> hI
[09:59] <garybot> hey
[09:59] <backbox> I need help ...
[09:59] <lotuspsychje> !ask | backbox
[10:00] <backbox> mxm
[10:03] <backbox> I want to install fortaran 77 on fedora, I don't know how to do it. Can anyone give me a side where I can download it and install it on my pc.
[10:03] <ducasse> backbox: we don't support fedora, for some reason...
[10:03] <backbox> Please guys...
[10:04] <gdarko> Any other software that will preserve the directories? undelete from ubuntu doesn't do that
[10:04] <lotuspsychje> backbox: you also could try the fedora channel perhaps
[10:04] <ducasse> backbox: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=install+fortran77+on+fedora
[10:04] <elias_a> Oh, come on... it has even a different packet manager.
[10:04] <alkisg> !backbox
[10:04] <alkisg> I'm using backbox and I want to install fortran on fedora and I'm asking for help in #ubuntu. Cool!
[10:06] <elias_a> alkisg: I want to fix hydropneumatic suspension of Citroen so I ask about it on a Toyota forum!
[10:06] <backbox> Fuck nerds!
[10:08] <Apachez> "Microsoft Office Ribbon UI Is Coming to LibreOffice" NOOOooooo...
[10:08] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | Apachez
[10:09] <isky897> ok seems to work with the new copy....
[10:09] <Apachez> !discuss lotuspsychje
[10:09] <Apachez> lotuspsychje: I asked an ubuntu related question earlier but noone in here seemed to be able to help
[10:10] <lotuspsychje> Apachez: doesnt mean your second have to be an offtopic matter
[10:10] <lotuspsychje> Apachez: best way to get your issue solved is ro re-ask once in a while also
[10:10] <elias_a> Apachez: Ask again!
[10:14] <deathSong> S
[10:14] <deathSong> H
[10:14] <deathSong> Help
[10:14] <deathSong> Lol
[10:15] <MonkeyDust> oops, that was one 'yes' too many
[10:17] <deathSong> Bb
[10:19] <anddam> is there a way to check a package build file from web?
[10:20] <anddam> namely I want to check if mldonkey-server is built with --enable-upnp-natpmp
[10:25] <anddam> seems the options is there in settings, so the server should have been built with the support, but then starting the server and listing redirections doesn't show anything new
[10:25] <peilot> Hello!
[10:26] <peilot> bump
[10:27] <peilot> anyone here?
[10:27] <ducasse> only >1600 people
[10:28] <RichardViking> Hello
[10:28] <RichardViking> sup all?
[10:28] <peilot> pretty quiet for over 1600 people
[10:28] <RichardViking> damn
[10:28] <peilot> it's good thanks
[10:28] <RichardViking> where u from?
[10:28] <peilot> Sweden
[10:29] <peilot> You?
[10:29] <RichardViking> Me Estonia
[10:29] <Apachez> so Im the only one with a libreoffice who doesnt want to open nor save files on network shares? :S
[10:32] <peilot> is everyone idle?
[10:32] <alkisg> !ask
[10:32] <anddam> likely people in the americas are sleeping still
[10:32] <anddam> how can I get the output of a daemon started as service from a systemd unit?
[10:32] <anddam> journalctl-something?
[10:33] <anddam> I need to check the output of mldonke-server in order to check if it prints something about this upnp support
[10:33] <ducasse> anddam: journalctl, yes, or systemctl status for quick summary
[10:34] <anddam> ducasse: I need full output, if available
[10:34] <untoreh> journalctl -u servicename
[10:34] <anddam> I have the option in mlgui, but I figure it's just because it's in the config file
[10:34] <anddam> and an option in the config file doesn't mean there's support for that feature
[10:35] <anddam> I'm monitoring the router with upnpc and I see no new redirects when the server starts
[10:35] <anddam> me no-likey
[10:35] <anddam> untoreh: that -u only prints systemd Starting LSB and Stopping LSB messages
[10:36] <anddam> no, just a single entry from the actual process: "Starting MLDOneky: mlnet." and the corresponding Stopping
[10:36] <anddam> not very useful
[10:36] <anddam> maybe I need to add some verbose flag to the unit file
[10:37] <anddam> IIRC the package on debian didn't had the flag, I rebuilt my own
[10:37]  * anddam doesn't really like building debs
[10:45] <gdarko> Is this safe command to move files with preserving the timestamp?
[10:45] <gdarko> https://andrewelkins.com/2015/04/02/move-files-while-preserving-timestamps/
[10:52] <david__> guys i have a question someone here have 2 desktop enviroments installed on a ubuntu distro?
[10:53] <alkisg> david__: yes, but it's better to ask the question directly...
[10:53] <david__> alkisg i have ubuntu mate installed with mate desktop but i want to instal KDE
[10:54] <david__> this process will brake somthing on the system
[10:54] <alkisg> david__: and the question is/
[10:54] <alkisg> It's supposed to not break anything
[10:54] <alkisg> In practice, sometimes services and startup applications run on the wrong DE too though
[10:54] <david__> the main question is its safe to have multypla desktops?
[10:54] <alkisg> That's considered a bug and you should report it
[10:55] <alkisg> So my answer would be "it _should_ be safe; it it's not, file a bug" :)
[10:57] <david__> ok
[10:57] <david__> if i find some problems i will come here
[11:00] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:18] <pawandubey> Need some help on cryptsetup here. I used the disk utility to create an encrypted partition with LUKS + ext4. The problem is that cryptsetup does not recognise it as a LUKS partition. This leaves me unable to backup the LUKS header.
[11:22] <pawandubey> Basically when I run cryptsetup -v isLuks /media/pawandubey/TheCrypt/ it says Command failed with code 15: Block device required
[11:26] <akik_> pawandubey: the error message tells you the problem. don't use the mount point with it, but the partition
[11:29] <gaurav42> internet not working in wine
[11:29] <pawandubey> akik_ thanks, that solved the issue!
[11:30] <ducasse> !wine | gaurav42
[11:33] <gaurav42> i install ie 7 in wine but cant connect internet
[11:34] <ducasse> gaurav42: ask in ##winehq
[11:34] <gaurav42> because my companey site works only in internet explorer
[11:34] <ducasse> gaurav42: #winehq, sorry
[11:34] <gaurav42> how to join that site is only for invitable people
[11:35] <llutz> !register | gaurav42
[11:35] <llutz> gaurav42: registering your nick should do
[12:05] <Fabio_> test
[12:05] <FMan> success!
[12:14] <fiter> I am trying to install ubuntu alongside with windows but when I boot through usb then I am getting following error usb device not accepting address
[12:14] <fiter> why this is so ?
[12:16] <MonkeyDust> fiter  does it specify which address?
[12:17] <fiter> yes it moves like this address 26
[12:17] <fiter> address 28
[12:17] <fiter> address 3
[12:17] <fiter> address 30
[12:17] <fiter> not 3 it adress 30
[12:17] <fiter> it also says error -62
[12:19] <FMan> well, I am downloading the 16.4.2 images now (both desktop releases)
[12:19] <mvvvv> fiter, maybe this can help : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1574869/comments/6
[12:21] <fiter> ubottu: you mean that 16.04 does not work by making usb stick ?
[12:21] <fiter> ubottu:  I am not thinking of you as an intelligent
[12:22] <mvvvv> fiter, I gave you this link
[12:32] <fiter> mvvvv:  I enabled xHCI but not able to find the two others
[12:34] <mvvvv> fiter, the idea is to check if you don't have something to change about your usb controllers
[12:39] <gdarko> when i do "mv *.doc Docs" it fails, why?
[12:39] <gdarko> "mv: invalid option -- 'P'"
[12:41] <mvvvv> gdarko, change Docs to Docs/
[12:43] <fiter> mvvvv:  its working and now its on third step of installation taking long time at this step.
[12:44] <mvvvv> fiter, good and yes it can be long
[12:44] <MonkeyDust> mvvvv
[12:44] <MonkeyDust> mvvvv  +1
[12:44] <fiter> may be because I have selected Download updates while installing
[12:45] <mvvvv> fiter, yes
[12:46] <riadh> hello
[12:48] <gdarko> mvvvv: thank you!
[12:49] <CombuderBob> I'm testing out irc notifications, can somebody mention my name in a few seconds?
[12:50] <kk4ewt> CombuderBob,
[12:50] <CombuderBob> Nice, it worked. Thanks! :)
[12:54] <anonV> Hi, when i go to files and try to connect to a server as soon as i type smb:// it appears "This file server type is not recognized"
[12:57] <MonkeyDust> anonV  try this in your file manager       smb:// [enter]
[12:58] <kk4ewt> anonV, fapste --sysinfo please
[12:59] <kk4ewt> fpaste -sysinfo please
[12:59] <apurv> I need help with "DevHelp"
[12:59] <kk4ewt> what is DevHelp
[13:00] <apurv> the Gnome https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Devhelp/
[13:00] <jcd> I have a problem with the Dash.  When I open, say LibreOffice, the icon correctly shows that I have a doc open.  But, when I open a "terminal" I end up with two "terminal" icons on the dash. Why is that?
[13:01] <mvvvv> jcd, are you sure this is the same terminal app ?
[13:01] <jcd> It never used to be a problem. Only now with 16.10 is it a problem
[13:01] <kk4ewt> sorry wrong channel
[13:02] <apurv> DevHelp is a documentation reference application for GTK Toolkit, developed by Gnome
[13:03] <kk4ewt> apurv,  sorry i was thinking a different OS
[13:03] <craptalk> i am running on ubuntu-gnome 16.04, and my hibernation is not working when i am trying to backup from it
[13:03] <craptalk> it leaves blank screen
[13:03] <enrico__> ciao
[13:03] <craptalk> and i gotta hard restart it
[13:03] <craptalk> i read from the ubuntu forum, it also happened to them
[13:04] <craptalk> is it the OS? and the typical laptops that have this issue also coming from different brand
[13:06] <craptalk> does the usual ubuntu OS, having the same issue?
[13:07] <mvvvv> craptalk, I believe this is something you can solve by changing the "wake up on" options in your bios
[13:09] <craptalk> mvvvv, i am looking into it
[13:09] <craptalk> gotta read first
[13:17] <flux242> hi, I've managed to install nvidia drivers on my intel/nvidia notebook. It took time to find a workaround for the nvidia 'black screen after boot' bug and in the end the glmark2 (which also segfaults with nvidia) I got score 350 which means no hw acceleration. Do I need additional tweaks or this is what nvidia offers for my GC which is geforce 610m
[13:18] <flux242> the intel scores 1300-1500
[13:21] <BluesKaj> !qptimus | flux242
[13:21] <BluesKaj> optim!us
[13:22] <flux242> you were trying to say?
[13:22] <BluesKaj> I'll try once more
[13:22] <BluesKaj> !optimus
[13:22] <flux242> so?
[13:23] <craptalk> mvvvv, i did not find wake up setting on my BIOS
[13:24] <BluesKaj> I see, so we have attiitude , do we,...ok nm ..you can research it yourself, flux242
[13:25] <mvvvv> craptalk, what is your mother board ?
[13:29] <craptalk> mvvvv, how to check?
[13:29] <ioria> craptalk, sudo dmidecode -t 2
[13:30] <tarball> hello, I've recently made a system check with 'Checkbox' tool, and seen that it produces test report in 'xlsx' format. can someone explain to me why this MS Windows format is chosen in a FOSS system?
[13:31] <mvvvv> craptalk, sudo dmidecode -t 2
[13:31] <tarball> It was so far from possibility for me that I first thought it was an irrelevant hacked file
[13:31] <bekks> tarball: Because the developer of that application chose that format.
[13:32] <tarball> bekks, and how can he do so? and why is it enough reason for that format to appear in a FOSS system?
[13:32] <bekks> tarball: Thank god he/she lives in country which doesnt tell you which format to choose when developing software.
[13:33] <MonkeyDust> tarball  you should ask the developer why he made that choice
[13:33] <craptalk> mvvvv, you wanna know product name?
[13:33] <mvvvv> or bios name
[13:33] <tarball> bekks, what are you defending to me as a volunteer of a supposedly FOSS OS ?
[13:34] <MonkeyDust> craptalk  paste the output here  http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[13:34] <bekks> tarball: And since xlsx is an extension Office Open XML SpreadsheetML File Format, I dont see a problem, honestly.
[13:34] <craptalk> Manufacturer: LENOVO
[13:34] <craptalk> 	Product Name: Toronto 5B1
[13:34] <bekks> tarball: And maybe you should drop your attitude, btw.
[13:35] <tarball> bekks, what is my "attitude"?
[13:36] <BluesKaj> it must be the weekend :-)
[13:36] <bekks> tarball: Something that I wont read any further. *plonk*
[13:36] <tarball> I am discussing with you. or am I discussing 'undiscussable' things in your view?
[13:36] <tarball> bekks no surprise
[13:36] <MonkeyDust> tarball  it's more 'indiscussable', because we don't know the dev's motives
[13:36] <CombuderBob> Safety of passwordless keyring in Seahorse?  Articles says I can but its unsafe as "anybody" can read it. I have encrypted disk and manual login, could somebody elaborate on the security risk?
[13:37] <tarball> MonkeyDust should I answer this?
[13:37] <tarball> is a FOSS environment determined by that single developer?
[13:37] <craptalk> http://pastebin.com/BY45E2Lu
[13:38] <dannyLopez> Hi. o/
[13:38] <craptalk> mvvvv, that is my motherboard info
[13:38] <MonkeyDust> tarball  take the discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:38] <SemiNus> hi
[13:38] <mvvvv> craptalk, sorry I can't find bios manual on this product. the option to look after are "wake up on ... keyboard ... lan ...."
[13:38] <tarball> and he says above 'office open XML..' not to say MS office..nice
[13:38] <tarball> ms is too blatant
[13:38] <SemiNus> may I please ask, how to get Java Applets to work in chromium-browser (Chrome)
[13:38] <SemiNus> I installed Ubuntu from new yesterday, so it's kind of a fresh install
[13:39] <SemiNus> I searched for all that is named "java" in apt-cache but it's too much
[13:39] <SemiNus> what do I need?
[13:39] <tarball> it is not offtopi
[13:39] <tarball> c
[13:39] <tarball> I am talking about a piece of software
[13:40] <tarball> which produces an ms-windows excel format
[13:40] <Guest40666> guys i have ubuntu mate on my laptop and i installed the plasma desktop enviroment and i have some issues some windows dont have title bar and bottons to close maximize etc can someone help em with this problem?
[13:42] <MonkeyDust> tarball  what's your question, exactly?
[13:42] <BluesKaj> Guest40666, is plasma-workspace installed ?
[13:43] <Guest40666> tarbal the windows excel format its displayed wen you save a file on libre ofice you can select format and extension from that list
[13:43] <Guest40666> yes i installed plasma-workspace
[13:43] <tarball> how can an MS Windows Excel format be the choice format for a supposedly FOSS system? MonkeyDust, that's what I ask. there is ods, there is csv, if you have to.
[13:44] <tarball> what comes next? adobe formats in a -from-out-of-nowhere graphics program?
[13:44] <MonkeyDust> tarball  ok, that question is not for this channel ... type   /j #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:44] <bekks> xlsx in an extension of the Office Open XML SpreadsheetML File Format, still.
[13:44] <ducasse> tarball: that is a topic for discussion, not a support question. try #ubuntu-discuss
[13:44] <tarball> office, but not open or libre office
[13:45] <tarball> see the file specs, it says Microsoft Excel, not open anything
[13:45] <bekks> So take it to #ubuntu-discuss
[13:45] <MonkeyDust> tarball  this channel is aimed at 'how to make things work'
[13:46] <Guest40666> guys i dont have title bars on windows when i open them on plasma desktopenv
[13:46] <tarball> not a problem. it is highly indicative for the state of things how some responses came to my question, though..it might have been just that if I'd asked it in a semi-OS app forum
[13:47] <okwaho> hi everyone
[13:47] <eightfold> i'm kind of freaking out on ubuntu mate here
[13:47] <eightfold> basic stuff like multi monitors is _not_ working well
[13:47] <eightfold> will ubuntu or ubuntu gnome handle this betteR?
[13:48] <Guest40666> i have 2 monitors installed on ubuntu mate and works verry good
[13:48] <eightfold> Guest40666: i don't know what you did to have that working. but my 1920x1200 monitor is running at 1366x768
[13:48] <eightfold> even though it says its on 1920x1200
[13:49] <tarball> the way you react is even not compatible with FOSS, where the OS is owned by the users, too, who are often contributors in different ways..this channel was different only a few years back. don't think that's overlooked
[13:49] <elias_a> eightfold: At least you would get better answers on this channel using Ubuntu. Mate is not in the scope of support here.
[13:49] <eightfold> and when i disconnect the external monitor, the panels do not come back om my laptop display
[13:49] <Guest40666> because you need all monitors to be as same resoulution
[13:50] <eightfold> Guest40666: well, that is exactly the kind of desktop environment retardation i'm talking about :)
[13:50] <mernilio> Greetings fellow linux friends! :)
[13:50] <tarball> windowsization of ubuntu underway
[13:50] <ouroumov_> elias_a, huh, Ubuntu MATE is an official derivative, therefore it is within the scope of support.
[13:51] <mernilio> I said hi FELLOW LINUX FRIENDS!
[13:51] <ouroumov_> Guest40666, no you don't.
[13:51] <elias_a> ouroumov_: It has been repeated on this channel again and again that Mate is not supported on this channel.
[13:51] <tarball> mernilio, dream on
[13:51] <MonkeyDust> mernilio  hi, this is the ubuntu support channel, ask you ubuntu question
[13:51] <mernilio> you can answer me! ..
[13:51] <ouroumov_> elias_a, so what, the topic is lying?
[13:52] <mernilio> Hi MoneyDust
[13:52] <mernilio> Dont underestimate my power!
[13:52] <mernilio> of talking with capitals! :-P
[13:53] <elias_a> ouroumov_: Perhaps I have got it all wrong. Thanks for correcting!
[13:53] <mernilio> im a kick ass dude also .. beside that! :-)
[13:53] <MonkeyDust> mernilio  stop
[13:54] <elias_a> ouroumov_: I have thought Mate is not an official derivative...
[13:54] <ouroumov_> elias_a, you're correct that say, if someone installs debian, then MATE on top of it, it's not supported. But Ubuntu MATE is an official derivative since release 15.04 I think.
[13:54] <mernilio> I cant stop being a numero uno guy? Thats what i am!
[13:55] <ouroumov_> eightfold, maybe try and use xrandr to manually set up your displays.
[13:55] <elias_a> ouroumov_: Oh - it is such a new thing... no wonder I had wrong impression about that. :)
[13:56] <eightfold> ouroumov_: but what happens if i disconnect the external display from the laptop then? do i have to edit that file again?
[13:56] <elias_a> eightfold: What is your display setup like?
[13:57] <ouroumov_> eightfold, I'm not sure. I've used Ubuntu MATE with multiple displays (up to 3) and I've never had this kind of problems.
[13:57] <mernilio> MoneyDad ... in scandinavian mythology Magnus is the god of arms ... you can give your son that name.
[13:57] <elias_a> eightfold: Laptop display + the display you talked about?
[13:58] <Guest40666> i installed kde plasma desktop and i dont have buttons to close minimize and maximize and title bar how to fix that?
[13:58] <mernilio> Its my name so you can rest assure it is a good name! :-)
[13:58] <eightfold> elias_a: x220 at 1366x768 with external display connected via displayport. external monitor is 1920x1200
[13:58] <eightfold> that's it
[13:59] <mernilio> we all know  your girlfriend are awainging a child.
[13:59] <ouroumov_> ot | mernilio
[13:59] <ouroumov_> !ot | mernilio
[13:59] <elias_a> mernilio: Please take your chitchat elsewhere.
[14:00] <ducasse> !patience | Guest40666
[14:00] <mernilio> sure ... i could take my chitchat anywhree else... :-)
[14:01] <elias_a> eightfold: I have a x201 w displayport but I don't have the cable to test it.
[14:01] <eightfold> elias_a: how are you running now, vga?
[14:02] <elias_a> eightfold: I have no external at the moment.
[14:02] <eightfold> ok
[14:02] <eightfold> lucky you :)
[14:02] <eightfold> i'm looking at ubuntu gnome
[14:02] <Guest40666> i installed kde plasma desktop and i dont have buttons to close minimize and m
[14:02] <eightfold> for something potentially more mature
[14:02] <Guest40666> i installed kde plasma desktop and i dont have buttons to close minimize and m
[14:02] <elias_a> eightfold: But I frequently use a projector with VGA and it works ok.
[14:03] <frenda> Hi
[14:03] <frenda> I have compiled a software called geant4 by this instruction: http://geant4.web.cern.ch/geant4/UserDocumentation/UsersGuides/InstallationGuide/html/ch02.html
[14:03] <frenda> it's told to use 'make install'
[14:03] <frenda> shouldn't it be 'sudo make install'?
[14:04] <Guest40666> guys can someone help me? i ahve an isus on kde plasma desktop i dont have title bars and buttons
[14:04] <ducasse> Guest40666: we've heard you, have patience.
[14:04] <bubbals> hello
[14:04] <Guest40666> ducasse: ok
[14:05] <Mac2698> ?
[14:05] <eightfold> oh, i give up. it's clear this feature is not mature. when i deactivate the external display and go back to my laptop display, the panels that go outside 1920x1200
[14:05] <eightfold> disappear
[14:07] <eightfold> would it be possible to install gnome3 from ubuntu mate and have it working ok
[14:07] <eightfold> or should i start from scratch?
[14:08] <Lilpenguin> does any one have a the time to help with an ssh question?
[14:08] <Mac2698> can anyone help me how to enable VPN in linux?
[14:08] <bekks> Lilpenguin: That depends on your question, feel free to just ask :)
[14:08] <Lilpenguin> I'm trying to ssh through a router to to my machine at home
[14:08] <Lilpenguin> doing some virtual cloud stuff
[14:09] <bekks> Lilpenguin: Did you setup your router accordingly?
[14:09] <Lilpenguin> but I'm on my neighbors wifi which he has allowed
[14:09] <Lilpenguin> no I have not since it is my niehbors
[14:09] <Lilpenguin> Do I have to set up forewarding on the actual router?
[14:09] <bekks> Lilpenguin: So you have a router and a network at home, and your neighbour does. Correct?
[14:09] <llutz> Lilpenguin: you could establish a reverse ssh-tunnel from your machine at home to the remote site. needs you being at home, once
[14:10] <Lilpenguin> My niehbor owns the router
[14:10] <Lilpenguin> I cannot really ask him to open the ports
[14:10] <Lilpenguin> I would like 5901 and 22
[14:10] <Lilpenguin> for vnc and ssh
[14:11] <Lilpenguin> Reverse tunnel?
[14:12] <Lilpenguin> llutz what does this entail?
[14:12] <llutz> Lilpenguin: yes, that establishes a connection from your home-machine to your remote-host, which can be used t the way back. Needed if you cannot reach home-machine from WAN
[14:12] <Lilpenguin> I need to establish a vnc session to the server which is at home
[14:13] <Lilpenguin> and I need ssh to to get into that
[14:13] <Lilpenguin> to start the vnc server
[14:13] <maxxer> hi. I've a XenServer Ubuntu 12.04 VM which is stuck after fsck. I only see filesystems clean but it's stuck there, doing no disk nor network activity...
[14:13] <Lilpenguin> SOoooooooo
[14:13] <bekks> Lilpenguin: So you need a remote server, which you can connect to, from being at home.
[14:14] <Lilpenguin> Ya, but I have that, but the cloud is on the bigger desktop
[14:14] <Lilpenguin> cloud will be on
[14:14] <Lilpenguin> The other is a notebook
[14:14] <luke> hello
[14:14] <Lilpenguin> so the "cloud" is at home
[14:14] <llutz> Lilpenguin: maybe more clear https://toic.org/blog/2009/reverse-ssh-port-forwarding/
[14:14] <Lilpenguin> hello
[14:15] <Lilpenguin> okay I will check it out
[14:15] <llutz> Lilpenguin: "corporate firewall" in that site-example is "foreign router" for you. the think you don't have full access to
[14:16] <llutz> thing*
[14:17] <Lilpenguin> it hurts my brain
[14:24] <fiter> I am trying to install ubuntu alongside with ubuntu but but there was errors.
[14:25] <fiter> I removed the usb stick and again booted from the disk but it is again giving errors.
[14:26] <Lilpenguin> llutz?
[14:26] <fiter> not syncing : VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown- block(1,0)
[14:33] <llutz> Lilpenguin: yes?
[14:33] <skinux> How can I get a list of installed applications, excluding libraries?
[14:34] <anddam> skinux: dpkg
[14:34] <skinux> What is the exact command?
[14:34] <Lilpenguin> llutz so I do you know
[14:35] <Lilpenguin> i need to open a new port to tunnel it back through?
[14:35] <llutz> Lilpenguin: yes
[14:41] <lerner> every time I play a mkv file, if the screen makes a hard turn left or right, or a panoramic view is showed, and it turns left or right, horizontal lines are seen. Its an eyesore. Is the reason ubuntu related? Notice that this happens with every mkv file I can think of
[14:43] <BluesKaj> got ffmpeg ?
[14:43] <Lilpenguin> llutz it is saying port 2210 is a bad forwarding spec
[14:44] <llutz> Lilpenguin: typo, most likely. whats the exact command, you typed?
[14:44] <Lilpenguin> it has my ip but I will change those a bot
[14:45] <Lilpenguin> bit
[14:45] <ikonia> lerner: what do you mean the screen takes a hard turn
[14:46] <lerner> ikonia, the screen turn to the left or right fast
[14:46] <lerner> turns
[14:46] <ikonia> the screen turns ?
[14:46] <Lilpenguin> ssh -R 2210 192.167.0.10:22 192.167.0.12
[14:46] <lerner> the screen shows, say, north and the turn to show west
[14:46] <lerner> then turns*
[14:46] <Lilpenguin> llutz ssh -R 2210 192.167.0.10:22 192.167.0.12
[14:46] <llutz> Lilpenguin: ssh -R 2210:192.167.0.10:22 192.167.0.12
[14:47] <ikonia> lerner: I don't know what you mean by "the screen turns"
[14:47] <lerner> let me find how to reformulate
[14:47] <llutz> lerner: the video content turns   you mean?
[14:47] <lerner> llutz, yes
[14:48] <Lilpenguin> llutz worked now over to the remote?
[14:49] <llutz> Lilpenguin: it's all explained on the site i gave you. just follow their expamples, but read carefully.
[14:50] <Lilpenguin> llutz okay
[14:56] <Kali_Yuga> hi is it possible to run retropie for 14.04? i tried this https://github.com/retropie/retropie-setup/wiki/RetroPie-Ubuntu-16.04-LTS-x86-Flavor for 16.04 but got errors. I was expecting errors since it was for 16.04 but i tried anyway.
[14:58] <mr_lou> Has anyone reported any "unable to eject disc-drive, ioctl error" recently? Or is it just me?
[15:00] <bzzz> Hello. someone recommend me Linux mail server? I want to install on my home server.
[15:00] <anddam> bzzz: what mail server?
[15:02] <llutz> bzzz: mail on home server is always a limited thin. you'll need a smarthost to send mails to and a receiving mail-server, were fetchmail gets your incoming mails from.
[15:05] <llutz> thin = thing*
[15:06] <mcphail> bzzz: I use postfix and dovecot. But it takes a lot of reading to set up properly, and you can expect a lot of mail from a home internet connection to be rejected
[15:14] <CrazyTux> hello, I forgot my freenode password. How can I get that?
[15:14] <ducasse> CrazyTux: ask in #freenode
[15:15] <CrazyTux> ok. I just asked there.
[15:16] <ducasse> CrazyTux: then wait for a response, it's the weekend so it can take a while
[15:17] <jcd> Hi, in Ubuntu 16.10, I have a problem with keyboard input. It appears in libreoffice  out-of-order !
[15:18] <CrazyTux> ok
[15:40] <jester_> anyone can I ask a question about ISO mounting? if wubi.exe does not exist on your ISO, Does it mean I'm screwed? I'm a newbie on the whole ubuntu thing
[15:42] <elias_a> jester_: What are you trying to do? Install Ubuntu?
[15:43] <ducasse> jester_: wubi is dead and not used anymore, it's broken
[15:43] <jester_> ohhh so it means I just need to do the old burn thing?
[15:44] <newb|67634> Does anyone know why WIFI only works every other boot on Ubuntu? Very consistent behavior.
[15:44] <newb|67634> Boot once, doesnt work. Restart, it works. Restart again, it breaks. <-- Repeating
[15:44] <ducasse> jester_: that would be the best and easiest option, use a dvd or usb
[15:45] <jester_>  follow up question? if wubi is dead and autorun.inf has this command open=wubi.exe --cdmenu? Do I need to change this? and to what exactly?
[15:45] <elias_a> jester_: I'd grab an USB stick and use that. Fast and convenient.
[15:46] <mvvvv> newb|67634, looks like your driver is a funny one. what is your wifi device ? lspci
[15:46] <elias_a> jester_: Where do you find that?
[15:46] <newb|67634> i have no idea mvvvv, and the computer in question is currently offline so i cant check
[15:46] <newb|67634> sorry
[15:46] <newb|67634> ill be going now
[15:47] <elias_a> jester_: Please explain what you are trying to do. IMHO you don't need to think about wubi at all.
[15:47] <ducasse> jester_: just write the image to usb, ignore wubi
[15:47] <jester_> d
[15:48] <jester_> it's with the ultimate edition 5.1 I'm trying out distro's for my laptop.. I liked debian already but they say ubuntu is becoming more and more convenient each day so I should give it a try seens I'm still new and choose which is better
[15:49] <ducasse> jester_: ultimate edition?
[15:49] <elias_a> jester_: Ultimate edition 5.1 of what?
[15:49] <jester_> ubuntu ultimate edition 5.1 based on ubuntu 16.04
[15:49] <elias_a> ducasse: Echo...
[15:49] <htafdresgi> I have some weird dependency errors, where is says console-setup not configured so I can't install keyboard-configuration, and vice-versa
[15:50] <elias_a> jester_: What on earth is that? Where did you find it? :O
[15:50] <jester_> distrowatch.com
[15:50] <ducasse> jester_: we support ubuntu, not the various derivatives. you need to get help elsewhere
[15:50] <elias_a> jester_: Please give a link. I want to see what it is.
[15:51] <elias_a> jester_: Read this. It will help you out: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[15:51] <pavlos> seems to be 16.04 with KDE
[15:51] <jester_> ultimateedition.info/
[15:51] <jester_> that's the main website
[15:51] <elias_a> jester_: Don't choose that. Choose stock Ubuntu to begin with.
[15:52] <jester_> stock ubuntu?
[15:52] <ducasse> jester_: from ubuntu.com
[15:52] <jester_> Is it mainly security and can wine windows too?
[15:52] <Apachez> ehm... why has Trashcan been renamed to Rubbish bin? :)
[15:53] <ducasse> jester_: 'mainly security'?
[15:53] <pavlos> jester_, http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/
[15:53] <jester_> well there are those distro whos main is the beauty of their GUI while others give much intent to their security... and I prefer security more than anything
[15:54] <ducasse> jester_: ubuntu has a proper security team and takes it seriously, all these derivatives usually only use ubuntu's security patches
[15:55] <jester_> hmmm... okay okay thanks... I'll check that ubuntu stock that elias_a said
[15:55] <jester_>  then If I like ubuntu stick to it but if not maybe go back to debian afterwards.
[15:59] <Mr_blonde> Hi all, can someone can help me with virtual box?
[15:59] <RalphBa> Mr_blonde, whats the problem?
[15:59] <ducasse> !ask | Mr_blonde
[16:00] <Mr_blonde> I've problem with configuring USB adapter. I installed VB extension pack in order to connect external wifi card buf after a few minutes it drops connection
[16:01] <Mr_blonde> I got tplink wn722n. The system is upgraded, everything works fine on host machine
[16:02] <gulzar> I intalled ubuntu on friiends laptop, and he never saw ubuntu, never heared linux, except that he needs to learn it. I thought of using ssh to login and configure his system. But its giving me port 22 connection refused. ufw is up, openssh-server was purged and reinstalled, ssh is up. but can't connect
[16:02] <gulzar> what to do
[16:02] <RalphBa> Mr_blonde, just dropping connection or loosing the hardware from vm?
[16:02] <RalphBa> gulzar, same network segment?
[16:03] <Mr_blonde> Connection losing
[16:03] <ducasse> Mr_blonde: what's the host and guest running?
[16:03] <Guest95282> ipforwarding?
[16:03] <ZoomZoomZoom> Hi everyone! Have troubles configuring rtorrent systemd service. What am I doing wrong? http://pastebin.com/VgakXFVd
[16:03] <Mr_blonde> ducasse Host is elementary os, VB is parrot OS
[16:04] <MonkeyDust> !elementary
[16:04] <ducasse> Mr_blonde: and neither of those is ubuntu, which we support
[16:04] <gulzar> Guest95282: what /how?
[16:04] <gulzar> RalphBa: means?
[16:04] <Mr_blonde> Elementary is ubuntu based
[16:04] <Mr_blonde> Actually is nearly the same
[16:04] <RalphBa> gulzar, are you in the same network or do you try it via inet?
[16:04] <MonkeyDust> Mr_blonde  it's too different and not supported here
[16:05] <Mr_blonde> Well... ok
[16:05] <gulzar> RalphBa: he lives in other state
[16:05] <Mr_blonde> But You could help me anyways :)
[16:05] <gulzar> RalphBa: I helped him in installtion via screenshots on whatsapp
[16:05] <ducasse> Mr_blonde: ask in #elementary
[16:05] <RalphBa> gulzar, so over inet. so you try to connect to his ip. is his computer directly dialing into inet or going over a router?
[16:06] <Mr_blonde> Ok, thanks
[16:06] <hendrickscn> Hi, everyone. I am new here.
[16:06] <gulzar> RalphBa: there is a router in between
[16:06] <RalphBa> gulzar, thats the problem
[16:06] <gulzar> RalphBa: i tried " ssh -p 22 user@ip"
[16:06] <RalphBa> gulzar, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_address_translation
[16:07] <DJones> gulzar: Has your friends router been configured to portforward to his computers internal ip address
[16:07] <RalphBa> gulzar, he needs to forward port 22 of his router to his computer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_forwarding
[16:07] <DJones> !portforward
[16:07] <gulzar> DJones: I am not so good with network and its terminologies
[16:07] <gulzar> DJones: :(
[16:08] <gulzar> RalphBa: he knows nothing about computers/tech. Not even what is terminal, what is 'reboot', or bios
[16:09] <RalphBa> gulzar, its quite simple. imagine his homenetwork as house. the adress just says which hous but not which flat. the receptionist has to forward the stuff to the specific receiver
[16:09] <MonkeyDust> gulzar  it's hard to give assistance if you don't know the basic terms
[16:09] <gulzar> MonkeyDust: I know, he don't
[16:09] <gulzar> MonkeyDust: I am arch user :)
[16:09] <RalphBa> gulzar, the receptionist is the router and there is an option for port forwarding. he needs to login into his router interface and forward port 22
[16:10] <gulzar> RalphBa: ok this I can tell him, hope he know his router login/adr
[16:10] <RalphBa> gulzar, lets assume his network ist 192.168.0.0 then the router might be 192.168.0.1
[16:11] <RalphBa> gulzar, most routers are accessible via port 80 http
[16:11] <suid1> Hello All!
[16:11] <gulzar> RalphBa: ok
[16:11] <RalphBa> gulzar, login data usually you find on a sticker at the router
[16:12] <gulzar> ok after login?
[16:12] <RalphBa> gulzar, but since he lives across the street you may visit him ;)
[16:12] <elias_a> RalphBa: Hopefully not. :D
[16:12] <gulzar> RalphBa: he lives like 400km away
[16:12] <RectalPro> pro
[16:12] <RalphBa> elias_a, often yes :D
[16:13] <RalphBa> gulzar, after login depending on the router there is somewhere an menu entry port forwarding
[16:13] <Rainbowcupcake> I have a question I run 16.04 64Bit LTS Xenial Xerus and GNOME Terminal 3.18.3 did they remove background tab under Edit>Profile Preferences ??
[16:13] <gulzar> RalphBa: ok
[16:13] <gulzar> lets tru
[16:13] <RalphBa> gulzar, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvzFHHDvU8E
[16:14] <RalphBa> for a netgear
[16:14] <elias_a> RalphBa: It is called Internet of Thongs. You underestimate security until they bite your butt and electrocute other parts. :P
[16:14] <m3n3chm0> hi I realized that in xubuntu 16.10 I can't restore the GUI with Ctrl-Alt-F7 any help ??
[16:14] <ducasse> gulzar: just see the link ubottu gave you, it explains everything
[16:14] <gulzar> ducasse: ubottu gave me nothing
[16:15] <RalphBa> elias_a, never would do that myself. but most isps are doing that
[16:15] <ducasse> !portforward | gulzar
[16:15] <elias_a> RalphBa: Yes, here too. And it is dangerous. :)
[16:15] <RalphBa> gulzar, type !portforward
[16:17] <gulzar> ducasse: thank you
[16:17] <RalphBa> elias_a, it is just stupid. but after what I experienced with the usual it guys, theres nothing else to expect
[16:17] <gulzar> RalphBa: will try and see
[16:17] <gulzar> RalphBa: thank you
[16:18] <RalphBa> gulzar, ok, much luck (depending on the internet service provider he may also have no public ip, in that case it gets complicated involving calling that guys)
[16:19] <RalphBa> gulzar, so if you get further problems check for https://www.iplocation.net/public-vs-private-ip-address
[16:22] <gulzar> RalphBa: ok
[16:22] <gulzar> RalphBa: thank you
[16:22] <RalphBa> gulzar, welcome
[16:23] <gulzar> bazhang: Hello, long long time. Years . How are you?
[16:24] <elias_a> RalphBa: Nice support attitude you've got. Kudos!
[16:24] <RalphBa> elias_a, ?
[16:24] <elias_a> RalphBa: Trying be polite here. :)
[16:24] <RalphBa> elias_a, ahh, thanks
[16:24] <et09> 2017 - nvidia or amd?
[16:24] <RalphBa> elias_a, not often but if I think once I try my best
[16:25] <gulzar> RalphBa: almost 6yr ago I was ubuntu fan, got bad feeling from this channel. Switched to fedora and its irc was worst. Then on Arch and the people were best there. After so many years this level of support feels good
[16:26] <elias_a> gulzar: That's why I'm hanging here. :)
[16:26] <et09> gulzar: ditto, but my main prob was the repos
[16:26] <et09> arch/ubuntu split right now
[16:27] <RalphBa> gulzar, I fear you cannot nail this to a distro. it depends on the people
[16:28] <gulzar> et09: I like the CUDA/nvidia support on ubuntu. Never able to configure nvidia on arch.
[16:28] <gulzar> RalphBa: yes to people, not the distro.
[16:28] <et09> it's a little harder
[16:28] <gulzar> RalphBa: ubuntu is bes for newbies. and my only recommendation to all people want to try linux
[16:29] <RalphBa> hmm... its about gpus here? OFFTOPIC: do anyone know the best FP64 performance for good price?
[16:29] <et09> although usually on ubuntu i think i end up doing it from the .run files nvidia gives you, and ditching the ubuntu packages
[16:29] <ghighiri> ciao
[16:29] <faLUCE> Hello, I don't want to be polemic with my question, because I'm very grateful to all the Ubuntu's team over the years, but.... what did it happen in the last two years?? The last distros are too much unstable and full of bugs. Why? Is the ubuntu project going to be dismissed?
[16:29] <RalphBa> most gpus are tied to good FP32 performance, for simulations thats trash
[16:29] <ghighiri> !list
[16:30] <gulzar> faLUCE: bugs, maybe ubuntu is doing lots of experimentation with one distro all platform
[16:31] <faLUCE> gulzar: but I did not experienced so many bugs in the past...
[16:31] <faLUCE> now I'm forced to change the distro
[16:31] <gulzar> faLUCE: debian?
[16:31] <OerHeks> faLUCE, give exact examples? this sounds more like a flamewar
[16:31] <faLUCE> OerHeks: networking, graphics
[16:32] <gulzar> faLUCE: networking is much better on ubntu I think, lots of support, lots of contributers
[16:32] <faLUCE> OerHeks: for example, I had kernel panics with a usb dongle, the internal wifi nic doesn't work properly and the screen flickers
[16:32] <h1n1> hello my ubuntu is intact, and i change much my distribuition.
[16:32] <OerHeks> faLUCE, and those do not happen in other distros ? you well know usb wifi devices do not all have optimal drivers.
[16:33] <gulzar> faLUCE: kernel panicks, I only got them on fedora 16 untable beta. or while messing with KVM
[16:33] <faLUCE> anyway, I don't want to make a flamewar. I just wonder what is the status of the project
[16:33] <gulzar> faLUCE: its going good, backed by a millionare
[16:33] <faLUCE> OerHeks: but I use ubuntu since some years, and never had so many problems
[16:33] <gulzar> I wish I can have HUD on arch
[16:34] <faLUCE> ok, I had to tune many things (which is normal in linux), but never had so big problems with networking, graphics etc.
[16:34] <OerHeks> faLUCE, so what distro runs RTL8188CUS fine?
[16:35] <gulzar> faLUCE: happens sometimes, last month after Arch udpate X stopeed working, have to revert and wait for a weak
[16:35] <OerHeks> don't blame the ubuntu project on 1 piece of flaky hardware
[16:35] <faLUCE> OerHeks: in fact I don't know. I only know that in the past I had no problems with wifi. I'm not BLAMING ubuntu project, I only wander what is the reason for that
[16:35] <gulzar> faLUCE: stick with LTS?
[16:35] <faLUCE> OerHeks: with graphic card I had many problems too
 faLUCE: stick with LTS?  <-- what do you mean?
[16:36] <gulzar> so what are you using now?
[16:36] <faLUCE> gulzar: I use 6.10 with 4.0.22 kernel
[16:36] <gulzar> faLUCE: LTS-> long term support AKA LTE versions
[16:37] <gulzar> faLUCE: that's what I put on people who wants ubntu only for work and no hassle during updates
[16:37] <faLUCE> gulzar: do you mean that I should use LTS?
[16:38] <gulzar> faLUCE: if so many problems with new OS, stick with LTS
[16:38] <faLUCE> gulzar: which release?
[16:39] <OerHeks> faLUCE, time to do updating, 16.10 comes with 4.8
[16:39] <faLUCE> 6.04 ?
[16:39] <faLUCE> OerHeks: do you mean 4.8 kernel?
[16:39] <gulzar> try upgrade complete system also
[16:40] <h1n1> install package .deb from dpkg. good luck for you. my Ubuntu have interface LXDE and app of the  Kali.
[16:40] <gulzar> i3 here
[16:40] <OerHeks> faLUCE, what do you not understand?
[16:40] <bekks> h1n1: So you are using Kali?
[16:40] <faLUCE> gulzar: I'm a bit frightened before doing a complete upgrade... I'll do that only in desperationg, when I can't get out of networking problems
[16:41] <bekks> HWE ships Kernel 4.8.0 for 16.04 as well.
[16:41] <MonkeyDust> h1n1  what's the output of    cat /etc/issue
[16:41] <faLUCE> OerHeks:  faLUCE, time to do updating, 16.10 comes with 4.8  <--- do you mean 4.8 kernel?
[16:41] <faLUCE> Ok
[16:41] <gulzar> yes
[16:41] <faLUCE> I downloaded 3 days ago 16.10 and I got 4.0.39 + 4.0.22 kernels
[16:42] <bekks> OerHeks: faLUCE: on 16.04: sudo apt install linux-generic-hwe-16.04
[16:42] <faLUCE> OerHeks: but my first thought is: what is the status or RTL8188CUS on 4.8 kernel?
[16:42] <onicrom> hi all, ubuntu 12.04 here... just updated my kernel and it seems the header/src files are missing. files in /usr/src/linux-headers-3.13.0-109-generic point to ../linux-lts-trusty-headers-3.13.0-109/sound BUT that trusty-headers dir doesnt exist! this seems to be the only version that is missing the linux-headers-3.13.0-109 (non-generic) src dir
[16:42] <bekks> !12.04 | onicrom
[16:43] <OerHeks> faLUCE, how odd, no 4.8 kernel ?
[16:43] <onicrom> bekks: what am i looking at?
[16:43] <bekks> wow :)
[16:43] <OerHeks> faLUCE, explain this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseNotes#Linux_kernel_4.8
[16:43] <MonkeyDust> onicrom  tip: instead of struggling with 12.04, better upgrade ... 12.04 will be !eol in a few weeks from now
[16:43] <bekks> onicrom: Isnt it time to update soon, since 12.04 is quite old - but still supported.
[16:43] <onicrom> MonkeyDust: thats not very helpful
[16:44] <onicrom> it is still supported
[16:44] <onicrom> we are upgrading
[16:44] <onicrom> but not now
[16:44] <onicrom> and i need this resolved i cant just upgrade a prod system because of this
[16:44] <faLUCE> OerHeks: I simply downloaded the image from Lubuntu website, and the provided kernel was 4.0.22 + 4.0.39
[16:44] <faLUCE> maybe the problem is L-ubuntu
[16:44] <bekks> faLUCE: And now just run the command given.
[16:45] <bekks> faLUCE: Lubuntu uses the same packages as Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc.
[16:45] <faLUCE> bekks: you gave a command for 16.04
[16:45] <bekks> faLUCE: I did.
[16:45] <faLUCE> I'm using 16.10
[16:45] <bekks> faLUCE: And the command is almost the same for 16.10, just search for the linux image hwe package.
[16:45] <user_32> this is BR for here
[16:46] <faLUCE> bekks: ok,  but I still wonder: what is the status or RTL8188CUS on 4.8 kernel?
[16:47] <faLUCE> *OF
[16:47] <bekks> faLUCE: Take a look at the official kernel changelog for 4.8
[16:47] <faLUCE> bekks: ok
[16:48] <OerHeks> status of that 8188cus is the same crappy driver as a year ago, not a kernel issue.
[16:48] <bekks> I second OerHeks.
[16:48] <OerHeks> and you have kernel 4.8, else you did something yourself..
[16:49] <OerHeks> So, what is the status of Ubuntu Project?
[16:49] <faLUCE> OerHeks: then, on windows there are same issues with the same NIC?
[16:49] <faLUCE> or similar issues?
[16:49] <bekks> faLUCE: The chipset stays crappy, yes.
[16:50] <OerHeks> nice try, i'll ignore you now.
[16:50] <faLUCE> I'm not polemic, I'm trying to understand
[16:50] <bekks> faLUCE: Windows is irrelevant for this channel.
[16:50] <faLUCE> because it appears strange to me that a network card has so many issues.
[16:51] <bekks> faLUCE: It is a RTL chipset. They are crappy for decades, which is a well known "feature".
[16:51] <ducasse> faLUCE: that chipset should not be used for anything relating to computing.
[16:51] <faLUCE> it could be easily what you say, but I want to understand better
[16:51] <faLUCE> bekks: ducasse but it seems that it's quite common
[16:52] <bekks> faLUCE: And its still crappy.
[16:52] <ducasse> i wanted to use a stronger word, but yes.
[16:56] <ducasse> faLUCE: the reason it is common is that it is cheap. a lot of people buy cheap stuff, with no thought about quality.
[17:01] <user____3> hi
[17:02] <faLUCE> [sabato 25 febbraio 2017] [17:53:13 CET] <faLUCE> bekks: I see. So, in order to have a workaround for that, should I buy a good usb dongle and disable the PCI internal one?
[17:02] <faLUCE> [sabato 25 febbraio 2017] [17:53:48 CET] <faLUCE> I use a mini-pc, so I can't access to PCI stuff
[17:02] <bekks> faLUCE: I'd second that, yes.
[17:05] <faLUCE>  bekks: I see. So, in order to have a workaround for that, should I buy a good usb dongle and disable the PCI internal one?
[17:05] <faLUCE> I use a mini-pc, so I can't access to PCI stuff
[17:05] <donofrio> what commands can I type to get the grub2 loader to boot a windows usb stick?
[17:05] <bekks> faLUCE: I did answer your question, already.
[17:06] <faLUCE> bekks: could not read your answer due to connection problems
[17:06] <bekks> 0225 180252 < bekks> faLUCE: I'd second that, yes.
[17:07] <ducasse> donofrio: try #grub
[17:07] <faLUCE> bekks: ok, I'll do that
[17:09] <OerHeks> donofrio, os-prober should detect your windows
[17:09] <ducasse> faLUCE: if you can replace the internal one somehow, get an intel one
[17:21] <dont> Hi to all. Who can help me with lineage 2 interlude installation?
[17:22] <MonkeyDust> !find lineage
[17:23] <alkisg> I think it's a game not a package :)
[17:23] <OerHeks> dont, is this a windows game/wine ?
[17:24] <OerHeks> dont, see https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=9115 or join #winehq for help
[17:25] <Menzador> Or #playonlinux if you use PlayOnLinux
[17:25] <dont> join #wineh
[17:25] <dont> ty.
[17:40] <anddam> ah here it is in mldonkey-server, the rules have only  --enable-gui=newgui2 --enable-directconnect --disable-magic --disable-fasttrack
[17:40] <anddam> so no upnp option
[17:41] <anddam> luckily enough I'm smart enough to not try and build the package just for that
[17:41] <bekks> Instead you jusr setup minidlna?
[17:43] <nvdrivers> hey all, i have run into a bit of trouble, looks like my nvidia driver modules are not properly installing
[17:43] <bekks> Why not? And how do you install them?
[17:43] <nvdrivers> first ran into an issue after trying to install the latest cuda package from nvidia, cuda-repo-ubuntu1604-8-0-local-ga2_8.0.61-1_amd64.deb
[17:43] <nvdrivers> which wanted to install nvidia-375
[17:44] <nvdrivers> i was on nvidia-367.15
[17:44] <nvdrivers> ive tried to purge and reinstall, but after reboot i get "NVIDIA-SMI has failed because it couldn't communicate with NVIDIA driver. Make sure that latest NVIDIA driver is installed and running."
[17:44] <OerHeks> nvdrivers, don't use the cuda package from nvidia, told you hours ago. upgrade to 16.10 for cuda 8
[17:44] <bekks> And is it installed and running?
[17:44] <bekks> Ah.
[17:45] <nvdrivers> OerHeks: yes, I have removed this package though, im trying to install the old drivers
[17:45] <nvdrivers> i will upgrade to 16.10
[17:45] <nvdrivers> but as it stands i fear that will bring more problems, and possibly not fix this issue
[17:45] <nvdrivers> i'd rather do a fresh install of 16.10
[17:46] <nvdrivers> right now i need cuda and the drivers working, as something needs delivered at work
[17:46] <nvdrivers> http://guanghan.info/blog/en/my-works/building-our-personal-deep-learning-rig-gtx-1080-ubuntu-16-04-cuda-8-0rc-cudnn-7-tensorflowmxnetcaffedarknet/
[17:47] <nvdrivers> i followed these steps for the original setup
[17:47] <nvdrivers> or these https://yangcha.github.io/GTX-1080/
[17:48] <nvdrivers> which used nvidia cuda_8.0.27_linux.run for cuda, but drivers were from ppa
[17:48] <nvdrivers> that worked fine
[17:48] <pavlos> nvdrivers, I was able to install cuda 8 on 16.04 (d/l the deb file from nvidia site, apt update, then apt install cuda, took long time but all went ok
[17:48] <nvdrivers> pavlos: that's what i did
[17:49] <nvdrivers> download deb, dpkg -i ubuntu1604-8-0-local-ga2_8.0.61-1_amd64.deb
[17:49] <nvdrivers> but then it wanted to update the driver
[17:49] <nvdrivers> after that ive been unable to load any nvidia driver
[17:50] <pavlos> nvdrivers, I dont have the gtx-1080, I have a 550Ti, I can look up which driver is using
[17:50] <nvdrivers> it doesn't have anything to do with the card
[17:51] <nvdrivers> it looks like the module isn't even being loaded
[17:51] <nvdrivers> or installed properly
[17:51] <OerHeks> so with 16.04 without kernel 4.8 and your cuda8 you will miss essential kernel hooks.
[17:52] <pavlos> nvdrivers, mine uses 375.26
[17:52] <nvdrivers> OerHeks: it worked fine before
[17:52] <nvdrivers> has cuda changed requiring hooks that are not available in 4.4
[17:52] <nvdrivers> since 8.0.27
[17:53] <nvdrivers> between there and the current 8.0.61
[17:53] <nvdrivers> which afaik isn't available from ppa, only 8.0.44
[17:54] <nvdrivers> in short, i want to try diagnose and fix the problem, deliver this stuff to boss... then re-provision the machine with 16.10
[17:54] <nvdrivers> all i can seem to load is "nvidiafb" there's no other loadable nvidia kernel module
[17:55] <nvdrivers> did that pastebin work?
[17:55] <OerHeks> nvdrivers, i guess you understand your support issue is invalid.
[17:56] <nvdrivers> find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -type f -name \*.ko | grep nvidia
[17:56] <nvdrivers> im just trying to track down what is blocking "apt install nvidia-367" from working
[17:56] <nvdrivers> those drivers were working fine
[17:56] <nvdrivers> and i cant seem to find anything in the logs, there are no errors or warnings
[17:57] <nvdrivers> http://pastebin.com/yb8B6DWw
[17:57] <nvdrivers> that's all I see
[18:01] <pavlos> nvdrivers, seems it did not build correctly. http://paste.ubuntu.com/24066392/
[18:01] <nvdrivers> thanks pavlos
[18:02] <nvdrivers> i dont see any error messages, could there be something in a log?
[18:02] <nvdrivers> maybe im missing headers or something like that?
[18:04] <nvdrivers> https://thepasteb.in/p/58hgEMZ7YJWHv
[18:10] <pavlos> nvdrivers, you should have the /usr/src/linux-headers-4.4.0-64-generic/ tree
[18:11] <nvdrivers> i dont
[18:12] <nvdrivers> only /usr/src/linux-headers-4.4.0-62-generic/
[18:12] <nvdrivers> interesting
[18:15] <bonfire> Howdy (:
[18:16] <bonfire> Anyone available for some tips?
[18:17] <bonfire> I've got 16.04 on a laptop that keeps getting ridiculously hot.
[18:17] <nvdrivers> i have that same problem at home, it has killed my battery also
[18:18] <bonfire> It's a samsung with dual graphics (intel and ATI)
[18:18] <nvdrivers> got a new one, wasn't long before it has no capacity to hold charge
[18:18] <bonfire> The CPU sits at 92 Celsius idle after about 15 minutes.
[18:19] <bekks> Maybe clean the fans?
[18:19] <nvdrivers> pavlos: ok looks like installing headers fixed the issue
[18:20] <nvdrivers> it's a bit strange that there's no error about it!
[18:20] <bonfire> bekks, windows does not have the same issue.
[18:20] <nvdrivers> kind of useless
[18:21] <bonfire> nvdrivers, have you experience with bumblebee? I'm just not sure where to begin
[18:21] <conan> hello!!!
[18:22] <nvdrivers> bonfire: i use nvidia-prime
[18:22] <nvdrivers> but even then it's still hot
[18:22] <nvdrivers> fan runs louder
[18:22] <nvdrivers> it's really disappointing
[18:22] <bonfire> I read somewhere that it may be the GPU running at full bore, but the laptop is configured to use the onboard Intel chipset
[18:23] <nvdrivers> yeah even when it switch to intel, still hot
[18:23] <nvdrivers> there's stuff about clock stepping, etc.
[18:24] <nvdrivers> sadly running windows on the laptop kept the temps and battery drain at healthy levels
[18:26] <asdf_> hi guys I have a problem
[18:27] <MonkeyDust> asdf_  let's hear it, in one line
[18:28] <asdf_> Guys I accidentally deleted my /var/www/html can somebody give me theirs? or give a solution to backup or restore the file?
[18:28] <bekks> asdf_: Restore is possible only if you created a backup before.
[18:29] <bekks> asdf_: By default, that directory only contains a index.html - I doubts thats your actual issue.
[18:29] <asdf_> yes thats my issue
[18:29] <asdf_> but I do not know what is in that folder
[18:30] <tomreyn> asdf_: which webserver do you have installed?
[18:30] <k1l_> asdf_: its your web stuff. that dosnt work with files from someone else
[18:30] <asdf_> aww, is there a way to create new file
[18:30] <asdf_> RE: tomreyn I have apache2
[18:31] <tomreyn> if it's apache, the index.html file is robably part of the apache2-common package
[18:31] <k1l_> asdf_: just open a texteditor and put the stuff in you want and save the file there
[18:31] <k1l_> asdf_: that really depends what on what you want or had there
[18:31] <OerHeks> reinstall apache, done.
[18:32] <asdf_> What I really want to do is to search for localhost and use DVWA (damn vulnerable web application) and test sql injection but the web page says 404 not found and The requested URL / was not found on this server. Apache/2.4.25 (Debian) Server at localhost Port 80
[18:32] <asdf_> But I guess that it does not work because I removed my /var/www/html
[18:33] <OerHeks> you .. hacked yourself?
[18:33] <asdf_> nope :p
[18:33] <nvdrivers> OerHeks: seems just installing the linux headers has resolved the problem completely, and that cuda package is playing fine
[18:34] <nvdrivers> OerHeks: but i will upgrade later
[18:34] <nvdrivers> strangely i only see one GPU, but that might be a power issue
[18:34] <pavlos> asdf_, my /var/www/html/index.html ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/24066572/
[18:35] <pavlos> asdf_, size 11321 bytes
[18:36] <amazoniantoad> I suddenly cannot see 5ghz wireless networks but can still see 2.4ghz. Can someone help me figure out what happened and how to fix this?
[18:37] <asdf_> Ok thanks. That worked but now, however I want to access the DVWA by searching localhost but it does not show it
[18:37] <k1l_> asdf_: you need to reinstall that stuff
[18:37] <asdf_> What stuff?
[18:37] <k1l_> because you deleted all of it
[18:39] <k1l_> asdf_: you delete all your websites and stuff that is supposed to work with apache.
[18:40] <asdf_> k1l_: ok then. how can I reinstall them
[18:41] <MonkeyDust> asdf_  you don't install websites, you create them
[18:42] <asdf_> MonkeyDust: I want to use DVWA but it does not load
[18:42] <bekks> asdf_: What is "DVWA"?
[18:42] <asdf_> MonkeyDust: it is Damn Vulnerable Web Application used to test sql injections etc.
[18:42] <pavlos> asdf_, sudo apt install apache2, test with http://localhost/
[18:43] <bekks> asdf_: Yuou need to install and configure it as the docs of DVWA tell you.
[18:43] <k1l_> asdf_: asak them how to install and setup their software
[18:46] <MonkeyDust> ddg finds a few DVWA tutorials
[18:46] <bekks> Not even a need for asking, their README.md shipped in their download provides a link for an install video. You just need to read...
[18:52] <pavlos> amazoniantoad, is your network card dual band?
[18:56] <Jonii> Hello. I installed Ubuntu with more or less default settings, and unfortunately I ended up with Swap
[18:56] <Jonii> Now I need to figure out a way to disable it
[18:56] <k1l_> Jonii: comment it in the fstab
[18:57] <Jonii> Okay. Now, just to be safe, can I check what applications are being put into swap?
[18:57] <Jonii> Like, worst case scenario is that they'd crash if memory runs out, no?
[18:57] <tgm4883> Jonii: you'd have to reboot after doing the fstab change
[18:58] <k1l_> Jonii: that will take effect after reboot
[18:58] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#Why_do_I_need_swap.3F
[18:58] <k1l_> but if you use swap now, that means it will kill programs next boot if you run out of memory
[18:59] <tgm4883> Jonii: how much ram do you have?
[18:59] <Jonii> 8gb
[19:00] <Jonii> Browsers and office programs for whatever reason keep taking about 5gb of it
[19:00] <k1l_> well, memory is there to be used.
[19:00] <Jonii> I wouldn't really mind browsers rather crashing on me than just there not being swap, but I'd want to make sure it's just browsers that crash
[19:01] <Jonii> The problem is, I do game every once in a while
[19:01] <tgm4883> Jonii: I wouldn't disable swap
[19:01] <Jonii> And unless I do with freshly rebooted machine, game ends up being slowed down by swap shenanigans
[19:01] <Jonii> And you can't seem to get rid of that problem without rebooting the entire machine
[19:02] <tgm4883> swapoff would
[19:09] <geogeogeo> hi
[19:10] <geogeogeo> i need some help
[19:10] <geogeogeo> i am living in china, i am new user on ubuntu only few hours and i love it
[19:10] <geogeogeo> but the big china is not letting people to get information for outside, and TOR is blocked as well
[19:11] <geogeogeo> i have a VPN what i buy and is working then , and pages like google and all what i want, but i wanna to use TAILS and that only use always TOR like a default and only browser
[19:11] <geogeogeo> so i need some bridges or i dont know ... how i can configurate good UBUNTU and be safe and can navigate free ?
[19:12] <amazoniantoad> pavlos, yes
[19:12] <amazoniantoad> pavlos, it worked a week or so ago and now it doesn't
[19:13] <geogeogeo> if somebody know the steps about how i can make a SAFE Ubuntu who can hide my IP and can navigate free out of china ,please make me know at my email: bakura.osaka@protonmail.com , thank you so much big UbuntuMate community
[19:14] <tehmal> Guys... its possible to check what program uses my internet and how much?
[19:14] <roshan> HI Guys
[19:14] <tehmal> somethinks uses my net in background... and i dont know what! :>
[19:14] <geogeogeo> hi people, somebody who can help me in China ?
[19:14] <roshan> Is it possible to add wifi driver for ubuntu 64bit
[19:15] <roshan> geogeogeo: Yes please
[19:15] <geogeogeo> thx roshan
[19:16] <roshan> geogeogeo: please ask.
[19:16] <geogeogeo> my problem is I am in China , and no way to can navigate out of Chinese pages, even google is censored, facebook, youtube and all this but that is not what is very important for me, what i need to know if is enought safe to can use UbuntuMate for use TOR in china ?
[19:16] <geogeogeo> because is not working and i buy a PureVPN what yes is working on windows and i can use firefox but same never really hide my IP and that bring me problems even if i enter on google and i start navigate ...
[19:17] <pavlos> amazoniantoad, this may help ... http://askubuntu.com/questions/183525/how-to-set-wifi-driver-settings-to-prefer-5-ghz-channel-above-2-4-ghz
[19:17] <geogeogeo> Same i can not use TAILS because is censored and is using TOR like default browser witch is not working without bridges , what same is impossible to found to can jump and navigate out of china
[19:17] <roshan> geogeogeo: I am not getting your point please elborate it more "TOR"
[19:18] <roshan> hi eternal-pain
[19:18] <geogeogeo> TOR is the Free doom Browser in the world and who can hide your IP then i can navigate like i am in another country and not in china
[19:19] <geogeogeo> is same like Firefox but who the same, without the right bridges, is not working
[19:19] <roshan> geogeogeo: you can use proxyies for this
[19:19] <roshan> geogeogeo: you can use proxies for this
[19:19] <geogeogeo> is impossible to can found or download that in china, somebody can give me thats proxys or send me at email and use them ?
[19:19] <roshan> geogeogeo: like i am using chrome extension from india
[19:19] <geogeogeo> because in china all is censored
[19:20] <geogeogeo> chrome is not working in china
[19:20] <eternal-pain> hi
[19:20] <geogeogeo> do you have some proxys bro ?
[19:20] <roshan> eternal-pain: could you please help me to install ubuntu 64 bit wifi driver ?
[19:22] <geogeogeo> no more battery on laptop shit ... please send me some proxys at my email bro, at bakura.osaka@protonmail.com
[19:22] <eternal-pain> roshan, which wifi card/adapter do you use?
[19:22] <geogeogeo> thank you
[19:22] <roshan> qualcomm autherous
[19:22] <roshan> eternal-pain: qualcomm autherous
[19:24] <eternal-pain> roshan, depending on the chipset you need a specific driver for that. what is the output of "lspci | grep -i network" ?
[19:25] <roshan> eternal-pain: give me 2 minutes. I'll back eith output
[19:27] <roshan> eternal-pain: The output is: 02:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros Device 0042 (rev 30)
[19:30] <roshan> eternal-pain:  any solution ?
[19:31] <eternal-pain> roshan, i just had to search for the package, as i never had an atheros card. seems to work if you just install the driver automatically with jockey
[19:31] <roshan> NatureShade: can you please help me to find wifi driver for Qualcomm Atheros Device 0042
[19:31] <OerHeks> roshan, we need the 8 digit hec  ID code
[19:31] <giuseppe_> hi everyone I have a problem with snd-hda-intel driver audio, can someone help me?
[19:31] <eternal-pain> roshan, do you use a desktop environment? then jockey should be installed by default
[19:32] <roshan> eternal-pain:  I have my new lenovo ideapad
[19:32] <roshan> OerHeks: how can i get this 8 digit code
[19:33] <OerHeks> lspci -nn | grep Atheros
[19:34] <OerHeks> i guess it is [168c:0042] >>> http://askubuntu.com/questions/780608/network-controller-0280-qualcomm-atheros-device-168c0042-rev-30-wifi-not with driver solution
[19:34] <eternal-pain> roshan, what is the output of "ubuntu-drivers devices"?
[19:35] <OerHeks> eternal-pain +1 ---> second last post: driver is included by default in 16.04
[19:36] <roshan> eternal-pain: I am getting vendor, modalias, driver and driver inthe list
[19:36] <roshan> eternal-pain: and vendor is NVIDIA Corporation
[19:37] <eternal-pain> roshan, if it shows you the wifi card, you need the additional driver. you can install it either directly by the package name with "apt install <package>" or automatically with jockey by typing "ubuntu-drivers autoinstall"
[19:38] <eternal-pain> the nvidia hardware is most likely your graphics card
[19:38] <roshan> eternal-pain: nope its showing only NVIDIA card
[19:38] <eternal-pain> then the driver should already be installed
[19:38] <eternal-pain> what does "iwconfig" say?
[19:47] <lord-ragnarock> How do I simply download a kernel with apt-get? I did 'sudo apt-get install linux-powerpc-smp' and the new kernel is nowhere to be found in my /boot folder
[19:47] <bekks> lord-ragnarock: powerpc doesnt use /boot IIRC.
[19:47] <lord-ragnarock> Ohhhh
[19:48] <lord-ragnarock> I'm asking cause I use an app called BootX from Mac OS, which requires I copy a kernel and initrd over from the Linux drive
[19:48] <lord-ragnarock> I currently use 3.2 and would like to experiment with... I think it's 3.16 now?
[19:48] <bekks> lord-ragnarock: So take a look at the package content, and you will see where the files are being placed.
[19:49] <bekks> lord-ragnarock: Current kernel is 4.8 :)
[19:49] <Jonii> Can you add widgets or the like to unity desktop?
[19:49] <lord-ragnarock> Can you actually compile that for ppc? :)
[19:49] <k1l_> Jonii: you can add indicators
[19:49] <bekks> lord-ragnarock: Personally, I never tried, due to lacking PPC hw :)
[19:50] <lord-ragnarock> Hahaha I see
[19:50] <bekks> lord-ragnarock: But it works for ARM, which I've tried :)
[19:50] <k1l_> Jonii: http://askubuntu.com/questions/30334/what-application-indicators-are-available
[19:51] <lord-ragnarock> If it gives you any ideas, I'm trying to get my graphics card working properly again after an upgrade :p
[19:51] <bekks> lord-ragnarock: Actually, no :D
[19:51] <lord-ragnarock> Found out from others last night that fglrx got removed when I updated from 12.04 to 14.04 :(
[19:51] <bekks> lord-ragnarock: Oh, yeah, ages ago it got removed.
[19:52] <lord-ragnarock> That sucks :/ I have no clue what to do. It allowed me to use 1920x1080
[19:52] <bekks> lord-ragnarock: Just use the opensource replacement?
[19:52] <lord-ragnarock> That's part of the xserver-xorg-video-ati package I think?
[19:53] <mcphail> !info fglrx trusty
[19:53] <lord-ragnarock> I've heard and read about it, but can't figure out whether or not my system's even using it :/
[19:53] <mcphail> It is in 14.04
[19:53] <lord-ragnarock> Ohhhh, that explains everything...
[19:54] <lord-ragnarock> It's not available for PPC
[19:54] <mcphail> Aah. OK
[19:54] <lord-ragnarock> !info fglrx precise
[19:54] <OerHeks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ#What_yaboot_parameters_should_I_use_for_graphics_problems.3F
[19:55] <lord-ragnarock> That's even weirder :P
[19:55] <lord-ragnarock> Oh hi again OerHeks :D
[19:55] <OerHeks> hi lord-ragnarock
[19:55] <mcphail> Was PPC an official port at the time of precise? If not, ubottu won't know about it
[19:55] <lord-ragnarock> Good question. No clue
[19:56] <A_Legit_Cookie> this si the support server, right?
[19:56] <k1l_> A_Legit_Cookie: this is the ubuntu technical support channel.
[19:56] <OerHeks> also handy to check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCKnownIssues
[19:57] <A_Legit_Cookie> Because for some reason my config file is empty and i wanna know if this is a problem or not
[19:57] <k1l_> A_Legit_Cookie: what config file?
[19:57] <lord-ragnarock> I'm not very familiar with kernel bootargs. What exactly would 'radeon.modeset' do?
[19:57] <A_Legit_Cookie> the Ubuntu MATE config
[19:58] <OerHeks> lord-ragnarock, those options disable DKMS
[19:58] <A_Legit_Cookie> is it bad that my Ubuntu MATE config is empty
[19:58] <bekks> lord-ragnarock: that would set the modeset parameter for the radeon module.
[19:59] <A_Legit_Cookie> k1l: is it bad that my Ubuntu MATE config is empty?
[19:59] <OerHeks> long time i smelled PowerPC
[19:59] <k1l_> A_Legit_Cookie: i dont know about mate and its configs. was it empty before? what did you do?
[20:00] <A_Legit_Cookie> i didnt do anything, k1l, this is a fresh install on a Raspberry Pi 3 Model B. i have a 128 GB sd card and i shrank the file system
[20:00] <A_Legit_Cookie> maybe shrinking the file system has something to do with it?
[20:01] <bekks> A_Legit_Cookie: How did you shrink the fs?
[20:01] <A_Legit_Cookie> through the welcome window
[20:01] <A_Legit_Cookie> that appears when you boot up ubuntu
[20:02] <bekks> huh?
[20:03] <A_Legit_Cookie> k1l: do you think shrinking the file system effected it?
[20:04] <lord-ragnarock> OerHeks, Oh. Hm.
[20:04] <lord-ragnarock> Not sure what modules are DKMS'd in Ubuntu. I'll give that a shot :)
[20:05] <OerHeks> A_Legit_Cookie, time to reinstall, use the same partitions
[20:06] <A_Legit_Cookie> cool, thanks
[20:06] <A_Legit_Cookie> for the help
[20:12] <aldam> hi
[20:14] <nvdrivers> i seem to be having issues getting xorg / lightdm working without the monitor plugged in
[20:15] <nvdrivers> anyone had experience with this before/
[20:16] <cfoch-al1> hi
[20:16] <cfoch-al1> is there an alternative to "localectrl set-locale LANG=C" by just editing a file?
[20:18] <lkira2437> Hi.
[20:18] <lkira2437> Hello!!!
[20:19] <k1l_> hi
[20:19] <lkira2437> You can see me?
[20:21] <lkira2437> because I've a problem with my public IP
[20:22] <chandlerbing> I have a rutorrent client setup with a nginx reverse proxy on a subdomain. I have setup a password verification with nginx but if you to my server and the url with the port number you dont need to put in a password. How can i block that people can go to my domain with port?
[20:22] <elias_a> lkira2437: I see your writing. :)
[20:23] <nvdrivers> plaes haelp: kernel: [  672.598432] unity-greeter[5124]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f0bb70469bf sp 00007fff922cad98 error 4 in libc-2.23.so[7f0bb6fb1000+1bf000]
[20:24] <lkira2437> That's ok...
[20:24] <lkira2437> @elias_a
[20:24] <lkira2437> elias_a
[20:25] <lkira2437> #elias_a
[20:25] <nvdrivers> ok, switching from vnc4server to tightvncserver has improved matters, but i just have a grey screen
[20:25] <Bashing-om> !tab | lkira2437
[20:27] <lkira2437> ls compdoc
[20:27] <lkira2437> ok
[20:32] <nvdrivers> anyone have experience with lightdm and vnc?
[20:32] <compdoc> on the unity desktop?
[20:32] <nvdrivers> yeah
[20:32] <nvdrivers> ideally
[20:32] <nvdrivers> i had issues with compiz segfaulting
[20:33] <nvdrivers> was hoping the latest drivers might fix that
[20:33] <compdoc> dont think its possible, unless something has changed recently
[20:33] <nvdrivers> ah
[20:33] <compdoc> you need a 2d desktop
[20:33] <nvdrivers> i just get a grey screen when i log in
[20:33] <compdoc> I use mate
[20:33] <nvdrivers> unity no good?
[20:33] <nvdrivers> i managed to get in with x11vnc or tigervnc
[20:34] <compdoc> its 3d only, and maybe theres a new way, but its never worked before
[20:34] <nvdrivers> ive reinstalled lightdm and tightvncserver
[20:34] <nvdrivers> oh i see
[20:34] <compdoc> doesnt bother me. Mate and x2go are the perfect combo
[20:34] <nvdrivers> the grey desktop is disconcerting
[20:35] <nvdrivers> i see people suggesting "user-session=unity-2d"
[20:35] <compdoc> vnc was great, but always had to make it work manually
[20:35] <compdoc> trial and error
[20:36] <nvdrivers> i dont get this grey screen, i have a .vnc/xsession
[20:36] <alkisg> unity-2d doesn't exist since ubuntu 12.10 or so
[20:36] <k1l_> there is a new one
[20:36] <nvdrivers> ah
[20:37] <alkisg> k1l_: a new unity-2d? some link please?
[20:37] <k1l_> its called low graphics mode
[20:37] <compdoc> that would be great
[20:37] <nvdrivers> i can run that over vnc?
[20:37] <nvdrivers> any tips
[20:37] <k1l_> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/09/19/low-graphics-mode-in-unity-7/
[20:37] <nvdrivers> this grey screen issue is a nightmare
[20:38] <alkisg> k1l_: are you talking about unity with less eye candy? That still requires compositing etc, so it's a no go...
[20:38] <alkisg> gl
[20:38] <nvdrivers> not sure how x11vnc worked, although it seemed to be just forwarding the lightdm framebuffer
[20:38] <nvdrivers> tigervnc also got me to the lightdm greeter
[20:38] <alkisg> It might be workable for VMs, but e.g. not over the network, so it's nothing like unity 2d
[20:38] <nvdrivers> had animations etc.
[20:39] <nvdrivers> at least when you switch users at the login screen
[20:39] <k1l_> i dont know about remote desktop since i dont use that but this linked article talks about it. so read it
[20:40] <nvdrivers> ok, so i get a nice login screen with tigervnc
[20:40] <nvdrivers> but when i log in, it's openbox
[20:40] <alkisg> Don't use vnc, use x2go for remote logins
[20:41] <alkisg> It needs special setup, and vnc viewers don't bother to properly setup the desktop
[20:41] <alkisg> *servers
[20:41] <nvdrivers> kernel: [ 1733.136740] lightdm[8894]: segfault at 0 ip 00007ff039c2db96 sp 00007ffdfa4e9e28 error 4 in libc-2.23.so[7ff039ba3000+1bf000]
[20:41] <nvdrivers> that's what happens when i log in with unity/ubuntu desktop
[20:42] <onla> I'm trying to install https://github.com/allan-simon/linthesia but in the dependencies it mentions I need  librtmidi-dev, but when I execute apt-get install librtmidi-dev, it says that it needs 192MB and that it needs to remove lubuntu-desktop and wine for example. What?? I need both of them I think
[20:42] <onla> for other things
[20:43] <alkisg> onla, put the whole output to pastebin; it might e.g. be pulling jack and wanting to uninstall pulseaudio etc
[20:44] <Mr-Frog> I've been trying to use gnome-software without success. Entering a query in the seachbar or clicking on the "Installed" or "Updates" tab just leads to  an infinite loading symbol.
[20:44] <onla> http://sprunge.us/YBCH
[20:44] <onla> i'm using wine-staging, but that's pretty much the whole wine
[20:46] <alkisg> Yeah it conflicts with libjack-jackd2-0
[20:47] <OerHeks> Mr-Frog, just be patient? or install synaptic, more detailed softwarecenter
[20:47] <Mr-Frog> It has been loading for a good 15 minutes. I'll try synaptic
[20:48] <onla> alkisg: do you know if there is some workaround that I don't need to uninstall bunch of stuff (and preferably not download 194MB)
[20:48] <alkisg> Mr-Frog: I think you need to run apt-get update one time for it to work
[20:49] <anddam> what's this askubuntu answer doing with multi-user.target ?
[20:49] <anddam> http://askubuntu.com/a/79682
[20:49] <alkisg> onla: in my ubuntu-mate + stock wine,  libjack-jackd2-0 can be uninstalled by without anything else getting removed. Sorry I don't know about lubuntu/wine-staging
[20:51] <k1l_> anddam: mulltiusertarget is the extlogin
[20:51] <k1l_> *textlogin
[20:52] <Mr-Frog> synaptic seems to work much better, thank you.
[20:52] <OerHeks> Mr-Frog, have fun
[20:52] <Mr-Frog> :D
[20:52] <onla> alkisg: oh ok. Here apt-get remove libjack-jackd2-0 wants to remove 262MB of things.
[20:53] <thermos> Hi, I just made a bootable Ubuntu USB using Rufus, and it won't boot on either of my PCs.  Is there a common error here?  I followed the instructions carefully.
[20:54] <onla> oh lol, there is a linthesia package in repos
[20:54] <nvdrivers> so there's no way to use ubuntu-desktop over vnc, i see people doing it on EC2 instances
[20:54] <nvdrivers> this is very strange
[20:54] <nvdrivers> ?
[20:54] <Bashing-om> thermos: Did you verify the .iso integrity ( md5sum ) ?
[20:55] <thermos> no i did not
[20:55] <bekks> nvdrivers: there are ways, VNC is just horribly insecure.
[20:55] <thermos> i just d/l'd it from ubuntu site and ran Rufus
[20:55] <bekks> nvdrivers: Insecure. a mess when setting up, a mess when using it.
[20:55] <nvdrivers> what alternatives are there?
[20:56] <nvdrivers> this is on a private network so security is not a huge issue
[20:56] <bekks> nvdrivers: x2go, as you've already been told.
[20:56] <nvdrivers> i have been? sorry
[20:56] <nvdrivers> huge apologies, did not see that
[20:57] <nvdrivers> that can be used with ubuntu desktop?
[20:57] <pavlos> nvdrivers, I use nomachine for remote desktops
[20:57] <thermos> bashing-om:  how does one do that?
[20:57] <nvdrivers> pavlos okay, thanks
[20:58] <nvdrivers> x2go has a good windows client?
[20:59] <Bashing-om> !md5sum | thermos
[20:59] <thermos> thanks.  i will check that out.
[20:59] <anddam> k1l_: ah ok, from old sysvinit thought the multi user was runlevel 3 or the like
[20:59] <anddam> so "standard"
[21:00] <OerHeks> nvdrivers, it is all there , http://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php
[21:01] <anddam> k1l_: so I was wrong disabling lightdm unit
[21:01] <nvdrivers> thanks, i was there but hit a page where it wasn't so clear re windows
[21:01] <anddam> why the --force when enabling multi-user.target?
[21:01] <k1l_> if you want only konsole login, yes
[21:01] <nvdrivers> let's give this a shot
[21:01] <k1l_> no need to.
[21:02] <anddam> not konsole, I'd like no Xorg at all
[21:02] <anddam> but you didn't mean KDE's konsole, did you?
[21:03] <k1l_> no, i didnt mean the kde program.
[21:03] <OerHeks> konsole/tty1/terminal
[21:03] <Bashing-om> anddam: Boot to terminal systemd ' systemd.unit=multi-user.target ' But then it is on you to enable any and all services that depend on the GUI that you need .
[21:04] <anddam> Bashing-om: sorry, I didn't quite understand what you just wrote
[21:05] <Bashing-om> Ya want to boot to terminal ( no GUI ) then ' systemd.unit=multi-user.target ' will do that . but many services will not be enabled .
[21:06] <masm> On Ubuntu 16.04, I can't play any .mp4 files or any video file in Firefox. Whenever I try to open one, I get this and nothing else happens: http://i.imgur.com/FvYex2Vl.jpg
[21:06] <masm> Can someone tell me on how to play a mp4 file in the browser?
[21:06] <anddam> Bashing-om: I don't get where shold I use ' systemd.unit=multi-user.target '
[21:06] <masm> I would appreciate it greatly
[21:06] <anddam> is that a kernel parameter?
[21:06] <anddam> should*
[21:06] <masm> ofcourse youtube and vimeo work fine
[21:06] <k1l_> anddam: yes. in the kernel line on grub
[21:06] <masm> but a direct video file link does not play
[21:07] <masm> k1l_, can you help? you must know something
[21:07] <OerHeks> masm, did you install restricted extras??
[21:07] <masm> OerHeks: ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[21:07] <anddam> k1l_: ah ok, is it any different than using set-default with systemctl?
[21:07] <masm> OerHeks: yes i have installed that and the ones for xubuntu as well. still no solution
[21:07] <anddam> Bashing-om: ^
[21:07] <k1l_> no
[21:07] <Bashing-om> anddam: Oh . sorry .. boot to grub menu , 'e' key and edit the linux line . This what you have in mind ?
[21:07] <anddam> Bashing-om: I want a permanent setup, set-default seems just fine
[21:08] <anddam> it's a headless home computer
[21:08] <alkisg> masm: what's the output of `file /path/to/mp4` ?
[21:08] <masm> alkisg, literally that command or do i need to annex a mp4 file?
[21:08] <alkisg> Put the mp4 you're trying to play, there
[21:08] <OerHeks> masm, then what is in that mp4? mp4 is just a container.
[21:09] <masm> alkisg: i don't have the mp4 on my system
[21:09] <nvdrivers> hmm x2go wants to use plasma
[21:09] <masm> alkisg: firefox can't play them in the browser
[21:09] <nvdrivers> i was hoping it would work with unity
[21:09] <masm> alkisg: all mp4s work in vlc
[21:09] <nvdrivers> plasma did complain about opengl 2.0
[21:09] <alkisg> masm: I just wanted to see if it's a supported codec; you could download it if it's not too big
[21:10] <masm> alkisg: the problem is that firefox can't play .mp4 files, vlc and everything play them finely
[21:10] <alkisg> They use different libgs
[21:10] <alkisg> *libs
[21:10] <alkisg> And my firefox can play my .mp4 files...
[21:10] <alkisg> So I wanted to see what codec is your mp4 using...
[21:11] <masm> alkisg: this problem isn't just about mp4
[21:11] <masm> any video format does not play in firefox
[21:11] <masm> i have installed restricted-extras but still no solution, could quicktime fix it?
[21:12] <masm> please note that youtube and everything else works, its just that a direct link to some .mp4 or .avi does not work, firefox does not play it
[21:12] <A1Gard> Hi
[21:13] <alkisg> masm: so, `firefox /path/to/avi` doesn't work for you, right?
[21:13] <thermos> the MD5 sums are the same.
[21:13] <masm> alkisg, yes
[21:14] <alkisg> masm, do you have any videos shipped by ubuntu? locate ogv | grep ogv$ | grep /usr/share
[21:15] <masm> alkisg: actually there's something called browser-plugin-vlc, let me install it and see what happens
[21:15] <alkisg> The firefox support is embedded
[21:15] <alkisg> It doesn't need vlc or anything to play videos...
[21:17] <thermos> bashing-om:  the checksum is good.
[21:17] <tehmal> Guys! I've problem... my Ubunty have virus "VIsta"... help,. https://s17.postimg.org/3z1fv1bcv/Zrzut_ekranu_z_2017_02_25_22_15_55.png
[21:17] <alkisg> thermos: are you currently in ubuntu?
[21:18] <thermos> no, windows 7
[21:18] <thermos> i want to boot into ubuntu from a usb drive to fix a dead win7 installation and put an ubuntu partition on it.
[21:18] <OerHeks> tehmal, and where should we look for you vista virus?
[21:18] <alkisg> thermos: OK, just wanted to tell you to quickly test the usb stick in a virtual environment, e.g. with kvm
[21:19] <tehmal> OerHeks: 42gb/45gb of "/" -.-
[21:19] <masm> OK alkisg looks like you were wrong, a simple installation of browser-plugin-vlc now plays all video files in the browser
[21:19] <masm> i should have googled more
[21:19] <tehmal> i clear /var/logs and /temp but...not specialy help :>
[21:19] <thermos> does kvm work w/ windows?
[21:19] <OerHeks> tehmal, so you call it a vista virus, funny
[21:20] <A1Gard> hi every body i have question about publish software in ubuntu offical repom
[21:20] <alkisg> masm: nice, except that videos play fine here, and I don't have that plugin: $ dpkg -l browser-plugin-vlc  dpkg-query: no packages found matching browser-plugin-vlc
[21:20] <A1Gard> can anyone help me?
[21:20] <riadh> hell
[21:20] <tehmal> OerHeks: yes, when im going to school at PCs was intall "W Vista" and usualy at "C:/" be... 2~3% free space
[21:21] <tehmal> and size of C:/ was exacly 45gb
[21:21] <riadh> quit
[21:21] <riadh> exit
[21:23] <tehmal> OerHeks: i typed sudo rm /var/logs/* -R && sudo rm /tmp/* but not help... only lose around 2-3 gig =C
[21:23] <OerHeks> uh oh, don't empty the log folder like that ...
[21:24] <OerHeks> not all logs will be recreated.
[21:24] <tehmal> OerHeks: i do it wrong?
[21:24] <OerHeks> and removal of /tmp/,.. i have never done this in years. no need to.
[21:25] <OerHeks> sudo apt autoremove # this should clean up stuff, and check your /home/  folder for big logs
[21:25] <rond_> Hello! Why if I do "export M2_HOME=/home/kamil/maven/apache-maven-3.3.9" having opened terminal in some directory and then open second terminal in another directory, then "echo $M2" prints nothing?
[21:25] <tehmal> OerHeks: izi... 400gb free at /home/... idk where are logs at home
[21:26] <momken> rond_: echo $M2_HOME
[21:26] <rond_> momken: in another terminal then i've set it - prints nothing
[21:27] <tehmal> OerHeks: but why only 2gb is left ?!
[21:27] <tehmal> OerHeks: at Ubu partition?
[21:27] <momken> It won't in another terminal. Other terminal as another session
[21:27] <momken> rond_: Except you define that export in bashrc or something similar
[21:28] <transitbot> has anyone installed remix os alongside ubuntu?
[21:29] <thermos> ok, what would keep my bootable USB from being seen as bootable by 2 different computers?
[21:30] <OerHeks> tehmal, hit ctrl + h for hidden files. if there are no big logs, idk.
[21:31] <Xundres> hi
[21:31] <Xundres> How can I create a tray icon for an app?
[21:31] <Xundres> (the app is whatsappweb)
[21:33] <rond_> momken: so: export ... works only for current session (terminal), if I want to make it persistent then i should modify the  /usr/environment file?
[21:33] <alkisg> thermos: when you insert the usb stick to your windows, do you see files like vmlinuz, syslinux etc inside it?
[21:33] <alkisg> thermos: also, the computers you're using now, are they uefi or legacy bios?
[21:34] <momken> rond_: You can modify /etc/profile or /etc/bashrc or ~/.bashrc (if I remember correctly)
[21:34] <papito> hi, im new using ubuntu mate
[21:36] <papito> and my mouse in teeworlds dont work, the pointer gets stuck at the left upper corner
[21:36] <thermos> alkisg, they are bios.  yes, such files are there
[21:36] <momken_> hi
[21:37] <momken> hihi
[21:37] <momken> 1
[21:39] <alkisg> thermos: try using https://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to directly burn the iso to the stick, without rufus
[21:39] <thermos> alkisg, ok, i will try that.  thanks.
[21:40] <alkisg> np
[21:42] <stratocastorNM> Hello everyone!!
[21:45] <stratocastorNM> Anyone here get folding at home working? 16.04?
[21:45] <sphrak> Hi im having issues with link speed on my nic. all of a sudden I get this in dmesg: https://dpaste.de/g5sE#L and I have changed cables 3 times but it still occurs. ubuntu 16.04 lts
[21:46] <sphrak> im on kernel 4.4.0-64-generic
[21:48] <stratocastorNM> So still occurs with all three other cables?
[21:48] <stratocastorNM> ifconfig show errors?
[21:49] <sphrak> stratocastorNM: yes, at first I get 1000mbit/s then after a while its downgraded to 100
[21:49] <stratocastorNM> made cables yourself?
[21:49] <sphrak> 1 of them it self made, but the other two are factory made and they do work with my other computers at 1000mbit no problem
[21:50] <alkisg> Does it happen with another kernel? E.g. an older one or a live cd?
[21:51] <sphrak> so I dont think its the cable tbh, because the only thing Ive changed lately is that I rebooted that computer yesterday to upgrade kernel. havent rebooted since 4th of feburary
[21:51] <sphrak> and then the issue came about
[21:51] <sphrak> alkisg: I havent tested that yet
[21:52] <stratocastorNM> could you show us results of lspci -nnk | grep -iA2 net
[21:52] <stratocastorNM> ifconfig -a
[21:52] <stratocastorNM> cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[21:52] <stratocastorNM> lsmod
[21:52] <stratocastorNM> cat /etc/network/interfaces
[21:52] <stratocastorNM> cat /etc/resolv.conf
[21:52] <sphrak> stratocastorNM: yes sir, gimmi a sec
[21:55] <stratocastorNM> too much to paste
[21:56] <sphrak> stratocastorNM: https://dpaste.de/sFxr#L1,6,33,36,164,182 there u go :)
[21:59] <keks> hey, i just installed 16.10 on a yoga 900. everything works great! can i enable two-finger scrolling on the touchscreen though? it already works on the touchpad
[22:00] <keks> unity's multitouch gestures work fine
[22:01] <stratocastorNM> well shprak, taking a look through, but dont see anything obvious.. Just coneccting straigh to a switch? Or yet, whats the setup?
[22:01] <stratocastorNM> Try different ports?
[22:02] <sphrak> stratocastorNM: yes its directly to a HP ProCurve switch, ive tested other ports aswell but it acts the same im afraid -perhaps its dying on me haha
[22:04] <stratocastorNM> I'd hope not! but possibly..
[22:05] <sphrak> well ill fiddle around some more, I have other NICs I can try with anyways so.. thanks for taking a look anyways :) if I find any thing significant ill report back
[22:05] <momken_> test1
[22:06] <momken_> test2
[22:06] <sphrak> momken_: test3
[22:08] <momken_> sphrak, :)) excuse me, I am just comparing Konversation with HexChat
[22:08] <stratocastorNM> could only find one kind of reference to that sphrak http://serverfault.com/questions/585442/eth0-nic-link-is-down-repeating-message-in-kernel-log
[22:08] <sphrak> stratocastorNM: hmm interesting im gonna read thru
[22:10] <stratocastorNM> some other stuff to try sphrak https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2177314
[22:10] <stratocastorNM> sorry, dont have a good answer!
[22:11] <sphrak> stratocastorNM: ah yes ive used ethtool to determine what link speed I get, I then disocvered dmesgs output hehe oh well
[22:12] <stratocastorNM> Oh, you're far ahead of me then!!
[22:17] <keks> hey, i just installed 16.10 on a yoga 900. everything works great! can i enable two-finger scrolling on the touchscreen though? it already works on the touchpad and unity's multitouch gestures work fine on the screen
[22:17] <keks> (i hope asking again is okay after some time?)
[22:18] <ikonia> I doubt it
[22:18] <ikonia> but I don't oknw
[22:18] <ikonia> don't know
[22:18] <keks> yeah i just realized that was only 15m
[22:18] <keks> i'll idle anyway, maybe ask again tomorrow
[22:19] <ikonia> thats fine
[22:19] <ikonia> 15m is fine
[22:19] <ikonia> but I mean I doubt you can do it on the touchscreen
[22:19] <keks> ohh is see :)
[22:19] <keks> hm, too bad
[22:19] <ikonia> you'll need to look at what xorg driver your touch screen can support
[22:19] <ikonia> probably none
[22:19] <ikonia> touch screen on linux is quite a narrow window of supported devices,
[22:19] <keks> oh the touch screen works
[22:19] <ikonia> but I don't know the full list
[22:19] <ikonia> keks: thats a good start then
[22:20] <ikonia> you just need to see if the driver it's using supports multi-touch,
[22:20] <keks> unity's multitouch gestures work fine
[22:20] <ikonia> there maybe overlay software if it doesn't (I'm guessing)
[22:20] <keks> but scrolling doesnt...
[22:20] <c|oneman> it's pretty amazing when I had a yoga, the touchscreen was great, and the trackpad was trash. HOw can they repeately put out lousy trackpads year after year, and then pull out a great touchscreen, relatively a new concept
[22:21] <keks> yeah the trackpad is annoying, feels like it sometimes randomly jumps
[22:34] <momken_> momken hi
[22:35] <momken_> momken, hi again
[22:36] <momken> momken_: hello
[22:36] <k1l_> momken:  momken_  there is #tests
[22:36] <momken_> k1l_, Ok. thanks
[22:45] <momken> Thanks, bye
[22:55] <kaosine> ha that was a good exit message XD
[22:59] <z3> useful defrag technique: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda
[22:59] <RedPenguin> Hey all
[23:00] <keks> z3: you can make that more efficient using larger block sizes
[23:00] <RedPenguin> I am trying to find out, for SSL Certificates are they shared via various programs? I added an SSL cert and Chrome is working but ffmpeg, VLC, and others aren't
[23:01] <keks> RedPenguin: try copying it to /etc/ssl/certs
[23:03] <RedPenguin> tried but so far everything but Chrome is saying SSL error
[23:04] <RedPenguin> I was given a p12 file which seems difficult to put on the Linux PC
[23:05] <RedPenguin> A Windows machine I tried the p12 file on took it immediately, it's just being more difficult on my Ubuntu
[23:05] <KenLL> Hello.
[23:05] <KenLL> It appears with the latest update that FULL RBG is enabled by default?
[23:05] <KenLL> Can anyone confirm?
[23:06] <KenLL> When I used to reboot I'd type: /usr/bin/xrandr --output HDMI2 --set "Broadcast RGB" "Full"
[23:06] <KenLL> The screen would go black and then come back with better colors.
[23:06] <KenLL> Now that line does nothing.
[23:06] <KenLL> Any devs in here?
[23:08] <zerorax> hi
[23:08] <RedPenguin> unless I didn't make the crt file correctly
[23:09] <pierre_> hello everybody
[23:09] <RedPenguin> I am not really sure how to take a p12 that contains the Certs and Key together
[23:09] <zerorax> I'm interested in completely rewriting unity without compositor or fancy effects, but recreating the same APIs and app programming methods for interacting with it. Would anyone be interested in helping with the project? I think there's no reason unity needs to use more than 10-15mb of ram
[23:09] <KenLL> It appears with the latest update that FULL RBG is enabled by default?
[23:09] <KenLL> Can anyone confirm?
[23:09] <KenLL> When I used to reboot I'd type: /usr/bin/xrandr --output HDMI2 --set "Broadcast RGB" "Full"
[23:09] <KenLL> Now that line does nothing.
[23:10] <keks> RedPenguin: hang on, gonna search for p12
[23:10] <tgm4883> !patience | KenLL
[23:11] <RedPenguin> keks: thanks, I did do a lot of Googling for myself but I think I have been doing it all wrong
[23:11] <KenLL> Is the Ubuntu Forum a better place to ask?
[23:11] <KenLL> I mean is the responsive better there?
[23:11] <KenLL> I thought the same devs would go there as here.
[23:12] <k1l_> KenLL: file a bug or ask an answer on launchpad.net
[23:12] <tgm4883> KenLL: you could wait longer than 3 minutes before asking again. You could also check what updates you did and then look at the changelog
[23:12] <KenLL> I had big 145 MB update
[23:12] <KenLL> that was the most recent one.
[23:12] <tatertots> KenLL: you're saying that with HDMI the ones and zeros coming from the video source were dull and that you had to issue the above mentioned line to get satisfactory color reproduction?.....seems odd
[23:13] <KenLL> tatertots, I'm saying that I used to type that line every time I booted. The screen would go blank, then come back with much better colors.
[23:13] <keks> RedPenguin: so I found this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/403174/convert-pfx-to-cer
[23:13] <KenLL> This line: /usr/bin/xrandr --output HDMI2 --set "Broadcast RGB" "Full"
[23:13] <KenLL> Now when I type that nothing happens, so I wonder if it's being enabled by default since the latest update.
[23:13] <keks> do that and put the .cer/.crt file to /etc/ssl/certs
[23:14] <KenLL> How do I figure out which mode my xrandr is using?
[23:14] <tatertots> KenLL: you can try to post in the forums but don't be surprised if the post grows dust and mold
[23:15] <KenLL> tatertots, How come?
[23:15] <KenLL> tatertots, How come I use HDMI2 instead of HDMI1?
[23:15] <KenLL> My monitor has only 1 HDMI port.
[23:15] <KenLL> So why is it using HDMI2?
[23:16] <keks> KenLL: xrandr --prop
[23:16] <tgm4883> KenLL: do you have 2 HDMI ports on your video card?
[23:16] <KenLL> Ah, I'm using RBG Full.
[23:16] <KenLL> It appears the latest Ubuntu update or kernel update has made it so that RGB FULL is being activated by default.
[23:16] <KenLL> I used to have to do this manually.
[23:16] <KenLL> Now what about why my monitor is using HDMI2 instead of HDMI1?
[23:17] <KenLL> It has just the one HDMI port. My comp has only 1 HDMI port as well.
[23:17] <tgm4883> KenLL: maybe there is a second one that doesn't have a port on it?
[23:17] <KenLL> A second what?
[23:17] <KenLL> 1 HDMI port on the monitor, 1 on the comp.
[23:17] <prppedro> KenLL: may be there's an onboard and another offboard
[23:17] <tgm4883> KenLL: HDMI port
[23:18] <keks> maybe its only accessible through a docking station
[23:18] <keks> could be a lot of things
[23:18] <KenLL> It's pretty clear my comp has just 1 HDMI port, and the monitor has just one HDMI port.
[23:18] <tgm4883> KenLL: right, because video card manufactures have never just not added a second port in order to save money....
[23:19] <keks> KenLL: hang on, i'll check my crystal sphere
[23:19]  * tgm4883 isn't sure why it matters
[23:19] <KenLL> tgm4883, My comp is an MSI Cubi. It has 1 displayport, 1 HDMI port.
[23:19] <KenLL> That's all.
[23:19] <prppedro> KenLL: whatever your HDMI configuration is...
[23:19] <KenLL> It has built-in Intel graphics.
[23:19] <prppedro> probably there's nothing to do with your problem per se
[23:20] <KenLL> But I feel I should be using HDMI1, not HDMI2.
[23:20] <tgm4883> KenLL: does your mini display port show up as HDMI?
[23:20] <prppedro> Sometimes, my laptop onboard WLAN lists as wlan1 instead of wlan0
[23:20] <KenLL> You think that's mini display port is HDMI1?
[23:20] <KenLL> I'll try that display port. One moment.
[23:20]  * tgm4883 shrugs
[23:21] <tgm4883> I don't think it really matters
[23:21] <keks> yeah it doesn't matter at all
[23:21] <tatertots> KenLL: open terminal
[23:21] <KenLL> Any benefit to using mini display port to HDMI vs HDMI to HDMI?
[23:21] <prppedro> tgm4883: yep, chances are high it does not...
[23:21] <tgm4883> but you seem super interested in this, so I'm going to go back to knocking people out and hiding their bodies in dumpsters
[23:21] <tatertots> KenLL: in terminal>    cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log|grep Out|nc termbin.com 9999
[23:22] <tatertots> KenLL: press enter share url/link here
[23:22] <KenLL> tgm4883, I'm trying to maximize the clarity and colors of my screen experience.
[23:22] <KenLL> http://termbin.com/h3l9
[23:22] <KenLL> Here is what it says.
[23:23] <KenLL> Output HDMI2 using initial mode on pipe 0.
[23:23] <KenLL> Is that optimal?
[23:23] <keks> yes
[23:23] <keks> its perfect
[23:23] <KenLL> Like I say, I used to type RGB = FULL when I rebooted and it made a big difference. Since the latest update I don't notice any difference when I type that
[23:23] <KenLL> so I assume it's doing it automatically.
[23:24] <KenLL> keks, http://termbin.com/h3l9
[23:24] <KenLL> There is the full result for your analysis.
[23:24] <FMan> off to bed - good night hacking away with your ubuntus!
[23:24] <tatertots> KenLL: in terminal>    xrandr|nc termbin.com 9999
[23:24] <tatertots> KenLL: press enter share url/link here
[23:25] <prppedro> My laptop says there's DP and HDMI despite there's none, really... So, may be your controller supports two HDMI ports, but there's only one wired to HDMI 2 slot
[23:25] <keks> KenLL: there is a way to run the HDMI protocol over displayport, maybe that is what HDMI1 is for
[23:25] <keks> but it doesn't matter
[23:26] <KenLL> keks, No idea.
[23:26] <KenLL> I just think it's strange that I have the only HDMI port on my computer hooked to the only HDMI on my monitor, and it shows as HDMI2.
[23:27] <KenLL> Why does it say: Output HDMI2 has no monitor section
[23:27] <KenLL> but then it says: Output HDMI2 using initial mode 1920x1080 on pipe 0
[23:27] <tatertots> KenLL: because it doesn't
[23:27] <KenLL> tatertots,  http://termbin.com/h3l9
[23:27] <KenLL> see here.
[23:27] <KenLL> It says both those things.
[23:27] <keks> it sais HDMI1 has no monitor section because there is no monitor attached to HDMI1
[23:27] <tatertots> KenLL: and it really does not matter...these things to no work "linearly" like your thoughts
[23:27] <KenLL> But also says HDMI2 has no monitor selection
[23:28] <tatertots> KenLL: and it really does not matter...these things do not work "linearly" like your thoughts
[23:28] <KenLL> before it says the other line about pipe 0.
[23:28] <KenLL> tatertots, If you say so. So my setup is fairly common?
[23:28] <tatertots> KenLL: so don't think to hard about it....it's doing it's job...it's job is to produce a picture for your eyes...and its doing just that
[23:28] <keks> its a monitor attached to a computer
[23:28] <keks> yes its common
[23:28] <KenLL> I'm not doing anything strange yet it's using HDMI2. However notice this output:
[23:28] <KenLL>  http://termbin.com/h3l9
[23:29] <prppedro> KenLL: What's the deal with your ~video experience~?
[23:29] <KenLL> 12.162] (II) intel(0): Output HDMI2 has no monitor section
[23:29] <KenLL> 12.162] (--) intel(0): Output HDMI2 using initial mode 1920x1080 on pipe 0
[23:29] <KenLL> How can it say both those things?
[23:29] <keks> you posted that link like ten thousand times now. we've all seen it. its fine
[23:29] <tatertots> KenLL: we've already seen http://termbin.com/h3l9
[23:29] <KenLL> They are mutually exclusive.
[23:29] <tatertots> KenLL: if you're going to post links try the new one you've yet to post
[23:29] <KenLL> tatertots, Which new one?
[23:30] <keks> qed
[23:30] <keks> KenLL: I guess it first checks for config files and then plug and play devices
[23:31] <tatertots> KenLL: in terminal>    xrandr|nc termbin.com 9999
[23:31] <keks> there are no config files ("no monitor section") and then it finds the monitor via pnp
[23:31] <KenLL> My monitor is straining my eyes and giving me a mild headache. It may be the monitor, but I want to be assured I have things functioning 100%. Like I say, when I used to type RBG = FULL it made a huge difference. Now that seems to be enabled by default.. so it looks like someone at Ubuntu listened to my feedback.
[23:31] <keks> take
[23:31] <keks> a
[23:31] <keks> walk
[23:32] <KenLL> Here you are, tatertots:
[23:32] <KenLL> http://termbin.com/6blj
[23:32] <KenLL> Anything interesting here?
[23:32] <keks> i can't take it anymore
[23:33] <prppedro> KenLL, perhaps you should be more specific... It could be the refresh rate, but I highly doubt it. My bet is that you spend too much time in front of that screen...
[23:33] <prppedro> The easiest thing to try is to swap your display, if possible.
[23:33] <prppedro> You know, just to test...
[23:34] <tatertots> KenLL: looks normal
[23:34] <prppedro> But it's for sure unrelated with the position of your HDMI port, it's number or the lunar phase...
[23:34] <KenLL> prppedro, True, but like I say I used to type RBG = FULL and it made a huge difference. Before I figured that out I was using RGB = Limited without even knowing it. If I hadn't looked into things in great detail I'd never have known any better.
[23:34] <KenLL> I'd still be using Limited right now.
[23:35] <KenLL> Now it seems RBG = FULL is enabled by default in the very latest Ubuntu update package.
[23:35] <tatertots> KenLL: you don't have to type that anymore...get over it
[23:35] <onys> KenLL, try redshift-gtk or redshift-gui to dim the blue channel a bit, it helps me a lot, also darker themes
[23:36] <tatertots> KenLL: i used to have to hand crank my ford model "T" just to start the engine...my new car...i don't have to do that anymore
[23:36] <KenLL> tatertots, Yes, but changed only in the past day.
[23:36] <KenLL> Right up until today I always had to type RGB = FULL when I booted up or I'd be using Limited.
[23:37] <tgm4883> KenLL: if you switch it to limited and then back to full, does anything change?
[23:37] <KenLL> tgm4883, I tried now this:
[23:37] <KenLL> --> /usr/bin/xrandr --output HDMI2 --set "Broadcast RGB" "Limited"
[23:37] <KenLL> But this gives error messages and does nothing.
[23:38] <KenLL> The magic line until today was this: /usr/bin/xrandr --output HDMI2 --set "Broadcast RGB" "Full"
[23:38] <KenLL> That improved my colors about 3X.
[23:38] <tatertots> KenLL: post in the forums and wait on replies
[23:39] <tatertots> KenLL: you'd need expensive instruments to claim 3x...measuring and making a guess with human eye sight is far from scientific
[23:39] <KenLL> tatertots, It appears with the latest update not only is RGB = FULL enabed by default, but I can't make it "Limited" even if I tell it that in the command line.
[23:39] <tgm4883> KenLL: the error message would be helpful
[23:39] <KenLL> tgm4883, X Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)
[23:39] <prppedro> KenLL: It's hard to tell, colour adjustment is something kinda personal... You should fiddle with the settings until you find a confortable point.
[23:40] <KenLL> tatertots, Just my guess to give you an idea of the magnitude of the improvement.
[23:41] <KenLL> I had literally been using my monitor for about 10 months on Limited mode because I didn't know any better.
[23:41] <tgm4883> KenLL: try "Limited 16:235"
[23:42] <KenLL> That did it. This is how I was using my monitor for 10 months before I stumbled into RGB = Full.
[23:42] <KenLL> It's much inferior.
[23:42] <KenLL> It appears one of the devs in here listened to my feedback and made RGB = FULL the default.
[23:42] <KenLL> Congratulations on that.
[23:42] <k1l_> KenLL: so what changed? sometimes when you change versions commands do change.
[23:42] <tgm4883> KenLL: ok, so now it's worse when you set it to limited?
[23:43] <KenLL> tgm4883, Absolutely. I believe RGB = FULL is now the default in the very latest Ubuntu update.
[23:43] <tgm4883> KenLL: ok, so now do the full command again
[23:43] <KenLL> I specifically made this request. I didn't know any devs were listening in here.
[23:43] <KenLL> tgm4883, Yes, I put it back to Full.
[23:43] <tgm4883> and it's back to how it was before, it's not better?
[23:43] <KenLL> Where is the Change Log for the Ubuntu updates?
[23:44] <tgm4883> honestly, it probably wasn't you asking in here about it. It was probably a bug fix in the automatic detection
[23:44] <k1l_> KenLL: there is no general changelog. they are noted for each package
[23:45] <KenLL> I am in Broadcast RGB Full mode. I believe Automatic used to be the default.
[23:45] <KenLL> Now with the latest update it actually goes beyond Automatic and sets Full.
[23:45] <KenLL> This is a big improvement because 80% of users have no idea they are using RGB = Limited.
[23:45] <tgm4883> KenLL: no, it's probably still automatic. Just that the automatic detection is working better on your hardware
[23:46] <k1l_> ok, so your issue is fixed. everything done
[23:46] <tatertots> please..make it stop
[23:46] <KenLL> k1l_, True, that part of the issue seems fixed though I'm still puzzled I'm using HDMI2 instead of HDMI1.
[23:46] <KenLL> But I'm told that makes no difference.
[23:47] <tgm4883> OMG
[23:47] <KenLL> I'm going to reboot my machine and see if I start once again using RGB = Full without having to explicate it via command line.
[23:48] <k1l_> KenLL: i guess you dont plan to dig into technical code or technical details on how to build a a video card hardwarewise, so stay with the easy answer and be happy.
[23:48] <KenLL> k1l_, Like I say, for 10 months I was using RGB = Limited without even knowing it.
[23:48] <KenLL> I'm lucky I realized that or I'd still to this day be using Limited.
[23:48] <k1l_> KenLL: all the channel knows your story
[23:49] <tgm4883> KenLL: have you tried adjusting your color profile yet?
[23:49] <KenLL> tgm4883, No. How do I do that?
[23:49] <tgm4883> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/color.html I guess
[23:50] <dejand> hello, i have a one question about Landscape (https://landscape.canonical.com) i cannot find information about licencing and pricing. my question is, is it free for on-prem installation and are they any limitations. Also I dont quite get what's the difference between landscape and ubutnu advantage
[23:52] <KenLL> tgm4883, It says I need to go to System Settings + Color.
[23:52] <KenLL> But I can't find that.
[23:52] <tgm4883> dejand: you have to call for pricing I believe. IIRC, up to 10 devices are free, but not on premise
[23:52] <OerHeks> dejand, scroll down.. 'get landscape .."
[23:52] <tgm4883> KenLL: you are using Unity?
[23:52] <KenLL> tgm4883, No, Mate.
[23:52] <tgm4883> FFS
[23:53] <dejand> those links just redirect to me Ubuntu Advantage
[23:53] <KenLL> I asked in #ubuntu-mate just now, but there's only 80 users in there and it probably won't get a response.
[23:54] <tgm4883> KenLL: http://askubuntu.com/questions/629832/how-to-calibrate-monitor-in-ubuntu-mate
[23:54] <KenLL> I've now upgraded my Intel Graphics Stack
[23:55] <KenLL> It's hard at work, so we'll see if this has anything to offer to me.
[23:55] <KenLL> Need to reboot.
[23:55] <KenLL> I'll be back later.
[23:55] <KenLL> Thanks for the expertise.
[23:56] <coffeeguy> hi am looking for a gmail webmail alternative with an ubuntu client?
[23:57] <OerHeks> coffeeguy, tons of free email services, not really an ubuntu support issue
[23:58] <coffeeguy> recommend any?
[23:59] <coffeeguy> true that it's not an ubuntu issue i'll ask in ##linux :)
[23:59] <OerHeks> How about the mail service your provider gives you?
[23:59] <dotscit> coffeeguy: find webclient that allows POP or IMAP. Whatever you prefer.
[23:59] <zerorax> is there any window managers that have a menu that isn't a bar, but rather a floating window?
[23:59] <zerorax> I know there WAS one 20 years ago