[00:01] <ali1234> my best guess is some kind of crash if the fallback file isn't found due to user config error
[00:04] <ali1234> i'm basing that on it being an absolute path
[00:11] <ali1234> nah, it's not that at all
[01:33] <bluesabre> Unit193, I also have access I believe
[01:33] <Unit193> Wow, really?
[01:35] <bluesabre> yup, sure do
[01:35] <knome> :)
[01:35] <knome> how's SRU's?
[01:36] <bluesabre> knome, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1512120/comments/84
[01:36] <bluesabre> so, waiting
[01:37] <knome> mhm
[01:37] <Unit193> Saw a mention in -devel, was..."nice"
[01:37] <bluesabre> nice in quotes sounds scary
[01:38] <knome> yes, tell us
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[11:28] <bluesabre> Gotta love how active xfce has been recently
[11:29] <Unit193> Hmm, more to poke.
[11:30] <Unit193> We can claim bugfix release at least. :D
[11:54] <flocculant> hi bluesabre Unit193 
[13:09] <bluesabre> hi flocculant Unit193 
[13:14] <flocculant> :)
[13:15] <flocculant> bluesabre: sorry about letting you flail about the interwebs looking for the release note :D
[13:16] <flocculant> pretty sure we had other updates - but I didn't have a great deal of time this week - so 'shrug'
[13:47] <bluesabre> flocculant, np :)
[13:49]  * flocculant is going to keep manifest from day 1 of aa so he knows what's really changed :D
[13:50] <bluesabre> :D
[13:51]  * flocculant is going to somehow highlight light* too :p
[13:51] <flocculant> anyway - off now - have a good day :)
[17:28] <bluesabre> anybody able to reproduce this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/parole/+bug/1667786
[17:52] <ali1234> tried it virtualbox but it can't play videos at all there ("unable to initialize Xv output")
[18:05] <flocculant> bluesabre: crashes here opening a file, not getting as far as skippin,g sigabrt in g_assertion_message()
[18:05] <bluesabre> :\
[18:06] <bluesabre> ali1234, yeah, Xv doesn't work in vbox, X is too resource heavy for vbox, clutter always seems up in the air in gtk land
[18:07] <flocculant> bluesabre: hang on - here - git was set to clutter - reset to (No Xv) - playing
[18:07] <flocculant> s/git/it
[18:07] <flocculant> though I do have the ppa version as well
[18:08] <bluesabre> >.<
[18:09] <flocculant> both not clutter options work here 
[18:10] <flocculant> (still have the old 'some mkv' issue
[18:13] <flocculant> bluesabre: I see the protocol error etc in terminal - but it's not crashing when using either of the X Window options
[18:13] <bluesabre> flocculant, gotcha, I'll see what can be fixed with "new" clutter
[18:15] <flocculant> okey doke
[18:59] <ochosi> meh, lost quite a bit of history there. if anyone pinged me with something important, ping again...
[18:59] <flocculant> bluesabre: does parole, mugshot, menulibre, mousepad, catfish, all da settings sound like a sensible list of things we should regularly test rather than rely on use of them only
[19:00] <flocculant> hi ochosi - think the only thing I pinged about was fixed lightdm and the comment you made on that xfce nitify bug
[19:00] <bluesabre> flocculant, parole and mugshot should be tested a few times a cycle, too many other moving parts underneath that we can't trust them
[19:01] <bluesabre> menulibre, mousepad, catfish should be fairly reliable
[19:01] <bluesabre> but still tested with some frequency
[19:01] <bluesabre> I think use-only testing guarantees we miss things
[19:02] <ochosi> "too many other moving parts underneath that we can't trust them" == gstreamer?
[19:02] <bluesabre> gstreamer, clutter, kernelly things
[19:02] <bluesabre> h264 hardware decoding is kernel and gstreamer, same for camera support
[19:03] <bluesabre> and python/gtk integration breaks everything else I make
[19:04] <bluesabre> got parole to start with clutter after some hacking... back to broken
[19:04] <flocculant> bluesabre: hard to know what to do for the best tbh - cos any 'manufactured' test is going to miss things people might find during use
[19:04] <flocculant> do both - I guess :D
[19:05] <bluesabre> yeah
[19:05] <flocculant> and then there are 'some mkv' type things which I see, you don't but someone else might the day after we release :p
[19:05] <bluesabre> I think that if we have a healthy number of test files for a standard parole test suite, we'll be good
[19:06] <flocculant> still convinced that's some type of codec issue 
[19:06] <bluesabre> I have one ogm file that can't skip forward, doing so restarts the video
[19:06] <bluesabre> tried some HVEC encoded videos today... they play, one frame every 30 seconds, both parole and totem
[19:07] <bluesabre> good news is that I am fixing other bugs as I try to fix these bugs :D
[19:07] <flocculant> that's going to feel infinitely worse than a complete fail to play - especially if you have to watch it all ...
[19:07] <flocculant> :)
[19:08] <flocculant> 90minute film at 120 frames per hour woohoo
[19:08] <bluesabre> :D
[19:08] <bluesabre> like the early days of 3d gaming on "family" computers
[19:08] <flocculant> I guess what we need is a list of things we know fail to play
[19:09] <bluesabre> it'd play... technically
[19:09] <flocculant> ha ha ha
[19:09] <bluesabre> The problem is that we usually can't share the trouble maker files, we find them in our own non-CC video libraries :\
[19:09] <flocculant> mmm
[19:10] <bluesabre> I think I'll go ahead and disable clutter again for parole 0.9.1 and work towards a solution before 1.0
[19:11] <flocculant> I found 'Rosa' that plays the files I can't play on either parole or totem
[19:11] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok
[19:13] <bluesabre> flocculant, that another gst player?
[19:13] <flocculant> https://sourceforge.net/projects/liteapps/files/ROSA%20Media%20Player/
[19:13] <bluesabre> hm
[19:14] <flocculant> bluesabre: the biggest issue for me is I don't really watch things on here - I use the tv and openelec
[19:14] <flocculant> hence I don't catch them often
[19:15] <bluesabre> That's fair... I watch all of my videos online now, so don't see these frequently either
[19:15] <bluesabre> been using parole daily for podcasts recently, so been making a lot of improvements for those
[19:15] <bluesabre> figured out today that gstreamer can pull tags from remote files
[19:15] <bluesabre> https://git.xfce.org/apps/parole/commit/?id=1a952fe9b632969f5ecbdc4f783ae285959c435c :D
[19:17] <flocculant> bluesabre: what I do do regularly is check things I know work and/or don't work when I get updates through
[19:18] <flocculant> I did at one point comtemplate moving openelec back to 16.04 - but then I got that tv off losing signal issue - so reverted
[19:18] <bluesabre> you're also handy for "hey, here's a new thing, test this"
[19:19] <flocculant> ha ha - just doing my bit :D
[19:20] <flocculant> might have another try with that tomorrow 
[19:24] <flocculant> might try dualbooting them - best option
[19:45] <flocculant> bluesabre: possibly another candidate for sru > bug 1308105
[20:38] <flocculant> bluesabre: fyi - parole playing a file (that won't play here) on xenial using clutter without asking for any codecs
[20:39] <bluesabre> yay xenial
[20:39] <flocculant> oh - added the daily ppa - so have same parole version
[20:40] <flocculant> also checking out tv signal loss as I have that newer xfce4-settings 
[20:42] <flocculant> now to see if I can add openelc to grub ...
[21:29] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok - so hopefully this will help catch these parole things - will try and default to xubuntu on the tv
[21:30] <flocculant> not getting the dead screen thing now seemingly - though perhaps I'll reserve the rright to change my mind after tv has been off for more than 30 minutes :p