[00:00] <coffeeguy> gmail does but google
[00:00] <coffeeguy> heh
[00:00] <coffeeguy> thanks OerHeks dotscit :)
[00:00] <zerorax> google is great. I used to hate them, but then they changed my life with targeted ads
[00:01] <dotscit> coffeeguy: google you might need to disable something to allow clients to connect to gmail
[00:03] <KenLL> Hi folks.
[00:03] <dotscit> KenLL: u
[00:03] <KenLL> It appears RGB = Full is being triggered when I have a newer monitor plugged in. When I have an older one plugged in, I get by default LIMITED.
[00:03] <KenLL> So it's not the software that has changed, it's my monitor.
[00:03] <KenLL> Does this sound right?
[00:04] <OerHeks> KenLL, sounds plausible
[00:04] <azizLIGHT> how do i figure out from apt-cache policy, where a specific version is coming from, what ppa it belongs to
[00:04] <KenLL> So the newer monitor is fully understood by Ubuntu or the kernel while the slightly older one, about a year older, is not fully compatible, and on every boot I have to manually enter RBG = Full.
[00:04] <azizLIGHT> where a specific version in the version table is coming from
[00:05] <dotscit> azizLIGHT: I donnu
[00:05] <azizLIGHT> what ppa a sppecific version in version table of apt-cache policy it belongs to
[00:05] <azizLIGHT> sorry i am trying to rephrase better
[00:05] <MonkeyDust> azizLIGHT  not sure if apt can handle ppa's, guess not
[00:06] <azizLIGHT> ok i found it by googling version number
[00:06] <azizLIGHT> if i removed this ppa, then why is it shown in the version table
[00:06] <azizLIGHT> fortunately its not shown as candidate for install
[00:06] <azizLIGHT> but still, why is it in the version table of apt-cache policy?
[00:06] <OerHeks> azizLIGHT, if you did not use ppa purge, installed versions will stick
[00:07] <OerHeks> but you know about ppapurge.
[00:07] <azizLIGHT> OerHeks: i did use ppa-purge but something happend where it was trying to remove too many packages ors omething and i had to abort so i had a partial ppa-purge command done essentially
[00:07] <azizLIGHT> but if i look in sources.list.d that ppa is commented out
[00:08] <azizLIGHT> yet apt-cache policy libegl1-mesa:i386: shows the version from that ppa
[00:08] <azizLIGHT> OerHeks: see result of above command: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24068446/
[00:08] <OerHeks> azizLIGHT, so the ppa is not properly removed.
[00:08] <OerHeks> add it again, and perform ppa-purge
[00:09] <ablest1980> i keep getting this https://paste.ubuntu.com/24068448/
[00:09] <KenLL> Does Red Shift really soothe the eyes?
[00:10] <KenLL> I find the colors of my screen much better without it.
[00:10] <OerHeks> ablest1980, known issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/msttcorefonts/+bug/1647969  http://askubuntu.com/questions/829247/cannot-install-the-package-ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[00:10] <azizLIGHT> OerHeks: what happened is that i attempted to upgrade to hwe stack on 14.04 and didnt notice that it would remove all these packages.... it had something to do with me having xorg-edgers ppa and them having higher versions
[00:10] <ablest1980> k ty
[00:11] <azizLIGHT> OerHeks: see this is what happened to my system: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24052312/
[00:11] <azizLIGHT> removed so many pacakges
[00:12] <ablest1980> how do i fix this in 14.04lts?
[00:12] <azizLIGHT> apt log of that command: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24052249/
[00:12] <ablest1980> k
[00:13] <ablest1980> OerHeks  you mean
[00:14] <OerHeks> azizLIGHT, reverse that xorg edgers ppa, before doing something with HWE ..
[00:14] <azizLIGHT> OerHeks: unfortunately the opposite happened
[00:14] <azizLIGHT> OerHeks: here is me trying to purge xorg edgers ppa after doing HWE: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24052686/
[00:15] <azizLIGHT> i beleive i presed q there
[00:15] <OerHeks> azizLIGHT, i cannot help with this ppa mess, sorry
[00:16] <coffeeguy> hi dotscit game me some advice about mail in here then pm'd me this http://pastebin.com/qgzQx3zt
[00:16] <azizLIGHT> ok will you tell me if theres a way to undo HWE at least
[00:16] <azizLIGHT> the 4.4 kernel wont boot for me on encrypted disk
[00:17] <ablest1980> when start up you can boot from different kernel
[00:18] <azizLIGHT> thats what ive been doing
[00:18] <ablest1980> start up from different kernel and delete 4.4
[00:18] <azizLIGHT> is that all thats needed to undo HWE
[00:18] <OerHeks> azizLIGHT, maybe this command works > sudo apt-get remove $(hwe-support-status --show-all-unsupported) >>> http://askubuntu.com/questions/509613/how-to-downgrade-hwe
[00:18] <OerHeks> but with that ppa problem, i won't bet on it.
[00:19] <ablest1980> idk im noob
[00:19] <ablest1980> Oo
[00:20] <azizLIGHT> OerHeks: ive downgraded most packages that xorgedgers tried to dominate on
[00:20] <azizLIGHT> back to ubnutu repo versions
[00:20] <azizLIGHT> and most apt-cache policy *package* results dont show xorg edgers ppa versions in them
[00:20] <azizLIGHT> except for that one i mentioned
[00:20] <azizLIGHT> even with it in the version table, its not listed as condidate
[00:21] <azizLIGHT> which is sorta good
[00:21] <azizLIGHT> im still checking the remaining packages for any signs of the ppa in version tables
[00:22] <ablest1980> de-encryption add 4.4 then re encrypt
[00:23] <reepca> any idea what specifically causes a window to be determined "unresponsive" and then grayed out?
[00:23] <ablest1980> video
[00:24] <ablest1980> ram maybe
[00:24] <azizLIGHT> u know if its like that, ill just do my system over and start with 16.04
[00:24] <OerHeks> reepca, just buzy .. happens with large actions.
[00:24] <azizLIGHT> rather than decrypt and re-encrypt
[00:24] <azizLIGHT> this bad experience with HWE and ppa makes me wanna do it anyway now
[00:24] <reepca> but what metric does it use to determine if soething is "busy"?
[00:24] <reepca> something*
[00:25] <azizLIGHT> i didnt even use xorgedgers ppa for anything im stupid for not removing unused ppas
[00:25] <azizLIGHT> lesson learned
[00:26] <azizLIGHT> if i have a list of packages and wanna know which of them are installed and which of them are not installed, how to separate the list ?
[00:27] <RedPenguin> thanks again for the above info, I see how to make a crt, but I am not quite sure where an SSL CLient Key gets put on the system
[00:27] <RedPenguin> I have the certificate installed sucessfully it seems, but the sever wants the private key also
[00:29] <dotscit> RedPenguin: why
[00:29] <RedPenguin> it's an HLS Video Server and it seems in the .P12 file there is both a Client Cert and Client Key to connectt
[00:32] <RedPenguin> In Windows it allows me to simply import the entire .p12 as one piece but I can't seem to do the same on Linux
[00:32] <RedPenguin> And oddly even on Windows, ffmpeg and Chrome are the only programs that will use the cert/key
[00:33] <RedPenguin> oh wait maybe I did do it right afterall
[00:33] <ablest1980> http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2016/05/remove-old-kernels-ubuntu-16-04/
[00:34] <RedPenguin> no I just get " A TLS fatal alert has been received." from ffmpeg
[00:37] <viju> Hi
[00:38] <ablest1980> whats ffmpeg should be mpeg i think
[00:38] <viju> I wanted to know what wrong might happen if I use sudo apt-get autoremove
[00:39] <dotscit> viju: be brave. Try it
[00:41] <Bashing-om> viju: Consider if there is an adverse effect from 'autoremove' then there was already a major problem . Package meanager is some kind of smart .
[00:41] <Bashing-om> manager*
[00:43] <viju> It says it can remove linux image/headers
[00:43] <viju> I wonder if I'd need those to run
[00:45] <Bashing-om> viju: Yepper will remove old kernel images . That is one of it's functions . do ' uname -r '  to see the booting kernel and that autoremove will not touch it .
[01:06] <IamTrying> What the fuck is this? Ubuntu 16.10 i have English US keyboard. When i am programming i type "shift + m" why the fuck its typing ";" instead of ":"?
[01:07] <Syzygy> neither of those should show up if you type shift m.
[01:08] <IamTrying> Syzygy: press SHIFT + m in my Macbook is ":" not ";"
[01:08] <IamTrying> in my Macbook OSX i have English US keyboard.
[01:08] <Syzygy> shift + m is M on my notebook. granted i'm on windows right now.
[01:09] <IamTrying> Really? even though its typing ";" Syzygy
[01:10] <Syzygy> shift plus letter is usually the capital letter.
[01:10] <IamTrying> Syzygy: Even though its typing not capital but symbol as ";"
[01:11] <Syzygy> are you sure you're talking about the shift and the m key?
[01:12] <IamTrying> YES - Syzygy on my English US keyboard on right SHIFT key  and i am pressing the M key
[01:13] <Syzygy> then how are you writing a capital m?
[01:14] <IamTrying> Syzygy: There is a keyboard layout in Ubuntu where its showing where my m is as ; or :
[01:15] <IamTrying> Syzygy: when i type SHIFT + m it types small m
[01:15] <IamTrying> could it be that my shift key is completely locked or blocked Syzygy?
[01:15] <Syzygy> but that's not the standard US layout then.
[01:15] <IamTrying> which is why nothing is happening with shift key related?
[01:16] <Syzygy> if it doesn't happen with other keys, then i doubt your shift key is stuck
[01:16] <IamTrying> Syzygy: Ubuntu completely ignoring my SHIFT key which is confusing me the hell out.
[01:16] <IamTrying> Syzygy: in have 2 shift key in my laptop. and both are not understood by Ubuntu 16.10
[01:16] <IamTrying> its Sony Vaio VGN-AR61ZU laptop
[01:17] <Syzygy> i never heard of a keyboard that doesn't have two shift keys.
[01:17] <IamTrying> It HAS 2 SHIFT key
[01:17] <IamTrying> Sony Vaio VGN-AR61ZU model
[01:17] <Syzygy> yeah, like pretty much every keyboard.
[01:18] <cfhowlett> you've chosen a non-standard keyboard layout.
[01:18] <IamTrying> Syzygy: on the same PC i have Windows OS, shift key works on it. But when Ubuntu 16.10 boots then its inactive.
[01:19] <IamTrying> cfhowlett: NO , keyboard is selected the standard worldwide English US
[01:19] <Syzygy> didn't you say mac os earlier btw? what was that about/
[01:19] <IamTrying> Syzygy: i personally use OSX, Macbook Air
[01:19] <IamTrying> Syzygy: all the rest is Linux and Windows PC's
[01:19] <cfhowlett> IamTrying, you do have an option for the sony laptop keyboard, though, yes?  suggest you select that standard
[01:20] <Syzygy> so you're using a macbook air with us layout as a reference for your current vaio layout/
[01:20] <IamTrying> The standard is selected since day 1 cfhowlett
[01:20] <IamTrying> Syzygy: exactly. since day 1 while installing ubuntu 16
[01:21] <IamTrying> i just noticed that shift key was not working with ubuntu 16.10 if i go back to old ubuntu it works
[01:21] <Syzygy> what's the native keyboard layout on the vaio?
[01:21] <IamTrying> Syzygy: all my PC's keyboard native layout is Belgium French keybaords. But i only use English US (my mind only know that keyboard layout)
[01:21] <lebeev> while trying to install VLC on yakkety, apt spits out this
[01:21] <lebeev> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:21] <lebeev>  vlc : Depends: libgles1-mesa (>= 7.8.1) but it is not going to be installed or
[01:21] <lebeev>                 libgles1
[01:21] <lebeev>        Depends: libgles2-mesa (>= 7.8.1) but it is not going to be installed or
[01:22] <lebeev>                 libgles2
[01:22] <IamTrying> Syzygy: SHIFT is not inactive. When i open Ubunut keyboard test tool
[01:22] <IamTrying> and press SHIFT key it show me keyboard inputs in the keyboard
[01:23] <Syzygy> the m part was quite confusing considering no one would know that it owuld be located this way.
[01:23] <lebeev>  libgles2-mesa : Depends: libglapi-mesa (= 12.0.3-1ubuntu2) but 12.0.6-0ubuntu0.16.04.1 is to be installed
[01:24] <Bashing-om> IamTrying: ' cat /etc/default/keyboard ' shows - XKBMODEL="pc105" XKBLAYOUT="us" - ?
[01:24] <IamTrying> Syzygy: i think the summary is. Ubuntu 16.10 is unable to handle the SHIFT key inputs for this model of laptop (this laptop is anyway very old maybe thats why)
[01:24] <Syzygy> I wouldn't know, but by now some other people tuned in, maybe they know.
[01:25] <IamTrying> let me share Bashing-om, i have to ssh from my OSX to it. cause many keys are not working on that keyboard.
[01:26] <IamTrying> wow ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.24 port 22: Operation timed out
[01:26] <Auprivave> lost some files, or cant see them. message from the system is that the structure need to be cleaned up. what can I do? its only one folder thats blank. the rest seem to be okay.
[01:27] <Bashing-om> !info libglapi-mesa | lebeev : Begs the question why = 12.0.3-1ubuntu
[01:27] <Syzygy> I'm trying to find drivers for my (built in) wifi adapter. The adapter is a killer 1535. I need them for Ubuntu 14.04 (old version due to machine learning toolkit only requiring that version). Currently on windows wifi isn
[01:28] <Syzygy> I'm trying to find drivers for my (built in) wifi adapter. The adapter is a killer 1535. I need them for Ubuntu 14.04 (old version due to machine learning toolkit only requiring that version).
[01:29] <Syzygy> The killer page suggests installing backports, but the backport page mentions a couple of apt-get commands which won't work since I don't have network access on this notebook.
[01:31] <IamTrying> http://i.imgur.com/gdUkDge.png - Bashing-om
[01:33] <Auprivave> entire folder just went blank. what do I do?
[01:33] <Bashing-om> IamTrying: Got me too, as you do have a US keyboard and with the US layout .
[01:34] <IamTrying> Right. But the problem is Ubuntu failed to understand the SHIFT key, it does not react at all Bashing-om. But on same machine CentOS 7 or Windows 10 works for shift key
[01:37] <basil-pesto> hi hi - i have a weird issue. I'm using sublime text 3, which is working ok. But when I open sublime with terminal or via keyboard shortcut, it shows on my dock that it opens with a different icon. I right click that and it doesn't have a "show details" option, so it doesn't have any .desktop file associated with it.
[01:37] <basil-pesto> I run the same command in the Exec= portion of the .desktop file, and it'll still do this.
[01:37] <basil-pesto> i ran ps ax and see that it's all running "subl"
[01:37] <basil-pesto> so i am not sure why it opens with a brand new icon with no .desktop association
[01:38] <basil-pesto> im using gnome 3
[01:38] <Bashing-om> IamTrying: Well, a thought . what does 'xev' reveal when you give focus to the xev window and press a shift key ?
[01:39] <OerHeks> basil-pesto, sublime text is paid software, they provide support http://docs.sublimetext.info/en/latest/getting_started/install.html
[01:39] <OerHeks> incl desktop file
[01:39] <IamTrying> basil-pesto: `xev` do not respond on any SHIFT key but for all other key it react.
[01:40] <basil-pesto> @OerHeks, this seems more like it's responding to something in gnome, though
[01:40] <basil-pesto> @IamTrying, sorry i dont understand.
[01:41] <OerHeks> basil-pesto, hart to say what is wrong,  ask the man with the money?
[01:41] <IamTrying> basil-pesto: CTRL, FN, SHIFT key do not work (while xev running)
[01:42] <basil-pesto> @IamTrying, I think that's for Bashing-om, not me.
[01:43] <OerHeks> maybe it is <> rename the "Sublime Text 2" directory to "SublimeText2" ( folder with spaces, lolz)
[01:43] <kaosine> does xubuntu not have a boot from 1st drive option? I'm trying to see what's wrong with my server install(beyond the fact the machine needs some new thermal paste).
[01:43] <IamTrying> Oh yea sorry its midnight here, i am very tired doing mistakes and overstressed with dead lines  basil-pesto
[01:44] <mav__> Hello
[01:45] <basil-pesto> no problems, i was just confused :D
[01:45] <zerorax> wow, i managed to break ubuntu in under 40 minutes
[01:45] <zerorax> ubuntu is great until it isn't
[01:46] <kaosine> zerorax: wait a minute I recognize that nick....are you a racketboy user?
[01:46] <Syzygy> any chance I can download a backport manually (in windows) from this site http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-backports/  and then install them from the file in ubuntu?
[01:46] <zerorax> no kaosine and I'm surprized anyone else is clever enough to make this nick
[01:47] <zerorax> I've talked to thousands of hackers and hundreds of os developers and i've only ever had 1 person get the reference
[01:47] <kaosine> zerorax: worth a shot....know a guy on those forums who has that same nick XD
[01:48] <OerHeks> zerorax, is there any support Q in that? else join #ubuntu-offtopic for chitchat please
[01:48] <zerorax> oh this is only for support?
[01:48] <OerHeks> zerorax, jups
[01:49] <zerorax> I thought it was just ubuntu related chat...
[01:49] <zerorax> but yeah I could ask someone to advise me
[01:49] <zerorax> probably a good idea cause otherwise I gotta reinstall
[01:49] <kaosine> blech I need to burn a ubuntu live disc since I can't find a option to boot into my ubuntu server from xubuntu >_<
[01:50] <zerorax> you can make grub boot iso's from your drive if it's compiled the right way
[01:50] <OerHeks> kaosine, hold shift @ boot, and grub menu appears
[01:52] <kaosine> OerHeks: that may be the problem the more I look at it. If I push the button on the machine it acts like nothing is installed and boots right off after the bios screen so i'm thinking there might be a issue with grub or something
[01:53] <OerHeks> kaosine, keep pressing left shift repeatedly, it should work
[01:54] <kaosine> OerHeks: nope nothing. the files are obivously there because the xubuntu disc could see them but I get no grub apparently
[01:58] <OerHeks> kaosine, keep trying.. or edit grub from xubuntu >> http://askubuntu.com/questions/16042/how-to-get-to-the-grub-menu-at-boot-time
[01:58] <kaosine> OerHeks: ok yeah retried it after selecting the cd and told it to boot to first disk "Boot failed"
[01:58] <OerHeks> not from live iso, from your install!!!!!
[01:59] <kaosine> OerHeks: yeah but holding it as it boots does nothing from the install
[02:01] <kaosine> OerHeks: I'm just going to burn a actual ubuntu server disc and reinstall. I didn't really have anything on the server to begin with beyond trying to set up quassel(which that part I shifted to digital ocean for now)
[02:03] <journal> I need a login manager i can set a primary monitor and ive looked around the net and get that gdm cant be set to a specific monitor will kdm allow me to do so?
[02:03] <RonWhoCares> I've just created the file /usr/share/applications/phpstorm.desktop  Now how do I actually get that icon onto my desktop?
[02:04] <journal> put it into the desktop folder i think
[02:04] <journal> under /home/youruser/desktop
[02:05] <Bashing-om> kaosine: Id this is a EFI machine, it is the escape key (spammed ) that grub looks for .
[02:06] <kaosine> Bashing-om: nope just clicks when I hit anything other than shift
[02:09] <Syzygy> Is there something I can do to make ubuntu work with a 4k screen? as it is right now, it's an OS made for ants.
[02:09] <cfhowlett> Syzygy, meaning less question.  Any useful details??
[02:09] <Bashing-om> kaosine: Got the better of me then, Need to boot something somewhere and find out if this box is MBR or EFI arch .
[02:10] <Syzygy> seems like the OS ui is scaled to pixels rather than screen density. letters are millimeters in size.
[02:10] <OerHeks> Syzygy, SYSTEMSETTINGS > DISPLAYS > SCALE ...
[02:10] <Syzygy> thanks.
[02:10] <OerHeks> sorry for the caps ..
[02:10] <Syzygy> np
[02:11] <Syzygy> before i shut down my system to boot in ubuntu i have two more questions
[02:11] <RonWhoCares> With thanks
[02:11] <kaosine> Bashing-om: I'm just going to transfer my server iso to my external hdd and try to burn it on xubuntu once I transfer it over to that computer.....something must've gone screwy with the install since I did do it from a usb drive the first time. Maybe reinstaling it from a dvd will fix it...
[02:13] <Syzygy> first question, where can I get the appropriate drivers for my system? Unfortunately I need to download them in windows since some of the missing drivers are for wifi. My wifi hardware is killer 1535 and i need it for ubuntu 14.04.
[02:15] <Syzygy> according to the killer page, i need a backport (http://www.killernetworking.com/driver-downloads/knowledge-base?view=topic&id=2) but since I can't download it via apt-get like the backport page recommends I somehow need to download it in windows and install it from my filesystem. How can I do that?
[02:15] <Syzygy> seem like this would be the correct thing for the 14.04 backport http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-backports/
[02:17] <kaosine> Bashing-om: stupid question but what's the best burning software for xubuntu/ubuntu?
[02:18] <tgm4883> kaosine: whatever works the best for you. I think Brasero is the default for ubuntu
[02:19] <kaosine> tgm4883: well I guess I'm stuck with xfburn then since that's default in xubuntu
[02:19] <Bashing-om> kaosine: Nothing stupid at all . But All I can say is 'dd' is my preference . Recall, I do not do Windows or Mac :P
[02:19] <kaosine> Bashing-om: well I'm in xubuntu and not using dd because knowing me I'd screw it up
[02:22] <Bashing-om> kaosine: xfburn in xubuntu will get the job done .
[02:22] <fliraction> I'm currently trying to transfer files from my current user to an external from a bootable USB and was wondering how I could su into the user on the installed volume from the booted iso from the USB
[02:22] <kaosine> Bashing-om: that's if it gets a move on, kinda froze up on me just now
[02:22] <fliraction> su *user* and su - *user* says the user doesn't exist
[02:23] <Syzygy> second question. how can I change my grub to automatically and instantly boot into an OS of my choice unless I interrupt the boot process via a button press? (e.g. like it often works for booting from different media)
[02:23] <kaosine> Bashing-om: ok may be missing some drivers says the drive can't be used for burning o_O
[02:23] <Bashing-om> kaosine: That ain't good . verify the .iso integrity (md5sum ) ??
[02:24] <kaosine> Bashing-om: it should be even if I moved it from my mac to xubuntu
[02:26] <Bashing-om> kaosine: Good think to check and make sure .
[02:26] <Bashing-om> !md5sum | kaosine
[02:26] <azizLIGHT> anyone on 14.04 can u tell me the output of apt-cache policy libqt5core5 ubuntu-control-center-signon | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us
[02:27] <Ben64> azizLIGHT: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[02:27] <azizLIGHT> why do i have no candidate for those two packages
[02:28] <wafflejock> fliraction, don't think you can do that since the live system doesn't have those users in it's /etc/passwd wouldn't have your user info, believe as long as the files aren't encrypted you should be able to access them still for reading no?
[02:28] <wafflejock> oh gone
[02:29] <azizLIGHT> Ben64: its not on there for trusty?
[02:29] <tgm4883> !info trusty libqt5core5
[02:29] <Syzygy> azizLIGHT, I wish i could, but I can't connect to the internet yet D:
[02:29] <Ben64> azizLIGHT: most likely
[02:29] <tgm4883> !info libqt5core5 trusty
[02:31] <vivid> !info libqt5core5a trusty
[02:33] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: tgm4883 Hummm : http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libqt5core5&searchon=names&suite=trusty-updates&section=all >>> trusty-updates (libs): Qt 5 core module >>> 5.2.1+dfsg-1ubuntu14.3: amd64 arm64 armhf i386 powerpc ppc64el  .
[02:33] <wafflejock> Syzygy, looks like there is native support if you have a new enough kernel http://askubuntu.com/questions/769824/killer-1535-and-e2400-nic-support-in-ubuntu-16-04
[02:33] <Syzygy> ubuntu kernel? I have to use 14.04 which I assume is a bit outdated?
[02:34] <wafflejock> Syzygy, type, uname -a, will tell you the kernel specifics that may or may not have it I think it's 3.x but 16.04 is 4.4ish
[02:35] <Syzygy> well, since it won't work, i assume it's running an older kernel... let me boot up my desktop PC and boot into ubuntu on this one.
[02:36] <wafflejock> Syzygy, this page has stuff about customizing grub settings too, basically you typically update the grub user configuration and run update-grub for it to build the actual config it uses on boot http://askubuntu.com/questions/100232/how-do-i-change-the-grub-boot-order
[02:36] <Ben64> !info linux-image-generic-lts-xenial trusty
[02:36] <Ben64> can get 16.04'
[02:36] <Ben64> s kernel on 14.04
[02:36] <cfhowlett> Syzygy, current 14.04 = 14.04.5      perhaps you should sudo apt full-upgrade      ?
[02:36] <wafflejock> oh nice
[02:37] <Syzygy> cfhowlett, perhaps i should get internet on ubuntu first? which is exactly the problem i'm trying to solve right now.
[02:37] <cfhowlett> d'oh!  right.  sorry.
[02:37] <Ben64> Syzygy: did you just install ubuntu
[02:38] <Syzygy_> Ben64, last week, but haven't really used it since then
[02:39] <Ben64> Syzygy_: check which kernel you're running with 'uname -a' ... a fresh download&install should be on 16.04's kernel
[02:40] <Syzygy_> give me a second, i need to adjust the UI scale first
[02:41] <Syzygy_> because out of the box everything's quite small
[02:42] <Syzygy_> seems like it\s 4.4.0-31-generic
[02:43] <Syzygy_> and 14.04.1
[02:44] <Syzygy_> so i guess the drivers are there but it's not working for some other reason...
[02:44] <__Kevin__> what's the channel for 17.04?
[02:44] <__Kevin__> sorry
[02:44] <Guest71561> who use idea products?
[02:45] <Aurorasaura> Silly quick question but what is the lost+found folder?
[02:46] <Guest71561> with mate desktop sometimes copy-paste doesnt work on in phpstorm or intellij
[02:46] <__Kevin__> Aurorasaura, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/18154/what-is-the-purpose-of-the-lostfound-folder-in-linux-and-unix
[02:47] <Guest71561> http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/lostfound.html
[02:47] <Aurorasaura> and my other question is when adding disks would I add them in the aspect of sdb ,sdc ?
[02:47] <Aurorasaura> ty __Kevin__
[02:47] <__Kevin__> np Aurorasaura
[02:50] <Guest71561> found nevermind it is a jre problem
[02:54] <Syzygy_> so my wifi icon in the top right shows "device not ready" and when I type lshw -C network, it's listed as "*-network DISABLED"
[02:54] <shalok> When I press ctrl-alt-t a new terminal opens up. How do I figure out which process is capturing the keystrokes and starting the term?
[02:54] <Syzygy_> can I enable it somehow??
[02:55] <shalok> This global shortcut is preventing me from using ctrl-alt-t in firefox which is more important to me than opening terms.
[02:56] <wafflejock> Syzygy_, do you have a hardware wifi enable switch or function key just to eliminate the simple, can also try, rfkill list, to show if it is disabled somehow through a hard/soft switch
[02:57] <Syzygy_> I do have a function key that does not seem to work, there's also a checkbox next to enable wi-fi
[02:57] <Syzygy_> softblocked yes, hard blocked no.
[02:58] <wafflejock> shalok, should be able to change it in the keyboard shortcuts preferences you can get from the dash or your launcher
[02:58] <Syzygy_> seems like the function key does something, now both is on no.
[02:58] <shalok> Syzygy_: Networking is flaky on my machine. `sudo system restart NetworkManager` usually 'fixes' it. ymmv
[02:58] <wafflejock> Syzygy_, you want both to be no
[02:58] <wafflejock> Syzygy_, not sure about the network DISABLED you see in lshw though
[02:59] <Syzygy_> still the case, trying what shalok suggested now
[02:59] <shalok> erm, systemctl
[02:59] <shalok> not system
[02:59] <shalok> Syzygy_: ^
[02:59] <jerry_segers> Hi, I've got a wacom tablet (intuos 2 6x8) that shows up in dmesg, shows up in the control panel, lights up the led on the tablet, but does not control the mouse. Any hints?
[02:59] <Syzygy_> sudo: systemctl: command not found
[03:00] <shalok> Syzygy_: Well on my machine that command restarts networking. Not sure how to do it on your machine if you're not using systemd.
[03:01] <wafflejock> shalok, believe Syzygy_ is on 14.04
[03:01] <Syzygy_> it's a fresh install of 14.04
[03:02] <tripelb> I am a bit lost. I expect 5 partitions and some unpartitioned space-time be on the drive cuz: win7, NTFS for storage, then from end 14.04, /home for 14.04 (someone has since convinced me that is a bad idea), 16.04.
[03:04] <u53R> ^^ what u exactly trying for?
[03:05] <tripelb> I can't tell which is which, except for the windows is the large NTFS and the rest are Linux. I want to replace the 16.04 partition with 14.04
[03:06] <u53R> try gparted ...u can borwse partitions using live boot usb
[03:06] <Syzygy_> sudo killAll NetworkManager seems to have worked.
[03:07] <tripelb> I am "on a phone, android" and andchat no longer gets freenode .. this client IRCCloud stinks. No Nick completion, no comment history.
[03:07] <Syzygy_> but now it tells me that wifi is diable by hardware switch. which i don't have, and rfkill list shows that it's not blocked
[03:08] <tripelb> U53r now bootingnup live 14.04
[03:08] <tripelb> Slow.
[03:08] <u53R> tripelb: GL
[03:09] <tripelb> U53r (blessed be yr short Nick) what do you mean by gl -- still booting up
[03:10] <azizLIGHT> if i give apt-cache policy a bunch of packages, how do i restrict the output to only installed packages
[03:13] <tripelb> If this disconnects (am still on free app) I will return u53R
[03:13] <shalok> hmm, looks like I'm getting keyboard shortcuts from at least 3 different source... openbox, lxqt-keyboard and xbindkeys
[03:13] <kaosine> Bashing-om: reinstalling now. Hopefully burning it to a DVD like this and doing it this way will fix it. Ended up using k3b to burn it
[03:14] <Syzygy_> so when trying to start the network manager again i get an error... "GError set over the top of a previous Gerror or uninitialized memory. blabla previous error was: Key file does not have group 'connectivity'"
[03:14] <shalok> I think c-a-t is coming from ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml
[03:15] <Bashing-om> kaosine: L_
[03:15] <kaosine> Bashing-om: ??
[03:16] <Bashing-om> kaosine: Laid back while you finish up .
[03:28] <designbybeck> I need something like GTK V4L to adjust webcam settings on Ubuntu 16.04. I've tried to add it and gnuview but neither worked
[03:28] <designbybeck> Any Suggestions!?
[03:32] <kaosine> Bashing-om: well it seems to work. The real test will be a reboot and see if it decides to flake like last time
[03:34] <Bashing-om> kaosine: Only way to know for sure - reboot and see .
[03:35] <kaosine> Bashing-om: well seems to work. I'll shut it down and retest tomorrow. Knowing my luck the issue is probably rooted in the thermal paste issue that I'll have to test tomorrow. Thanks in advance for all your help
[03:37] <Bashing-om> kaosine: :) .. Glad2help . Long as you are trying, I am too .
[03:39] <kaosine> Geez it there must have been some massive amount of upgrades for xubuntu to come out lately forgot I ran upgrade in terminal XD
[03:40] <kaosine> On the repurposed computer not the server/repurposed dekstop
[03:48] <Syzygy_> service networking start -> job is already running; service network reload -> job is not running;
[03:48] <Syzygy_> great...
[03:55] <tripelb> 14.04 livedvd sees more partitions than kubuntu 14.04 -- kde seems to be flawed. How can I tell for sure which partition is kubuntu so I can replace it. I have 3 ext partitions that are not swap or tiny.
[03:55] <tripelb> Is there a file in some free that holds the version name?
[03:56] <lerner> im watching a movie. It is too dark. what player can I use to change brightness? its amkv file
[03:56] <PickledEggs> lerner: what are you using right now?
[03:56] <lerner> parole
[03:56] <tripelb> In some folder (no comment history)
[03:56] <PickledEggs> VLC handles those and I /think/ it has picture adjustments
[03:56] <OerHeks> tripelb, see the fstab entries, to be sure
[03:57] <tripelb> VLC seems to do everything best
[03:57] <kaosine> lerner: yeah I'd suggest VLC. It's probably the best player out there I know of
[03:58] <OerHeks> tripelb, sudo blkid && cat /etc/fstab
[04:03] <tripelb> OerHeks: OK /etc/fstab  (I had to look it up. I started to ask you then said, earn some respect.) I will look at it now. Thanks .. I had been looking around etc randomly.
[04:05] <OerHeks> tripelb, iirc kubuntu gives an option reinstall/fresh too
[04:10] <tripelb> OerHeks: fyi (I don't have internet at home, except my phone. I don't want kubuntu, it was just the only 14.04 64 disk at the lug one day. I prolly would like to try mint someday, on another partition, over my not-quite-right ubuntub16.04. ATM I have a 14.04 disk and I am mad at kubuntu for not showing all my partitions nicely like gparted did. I have
[04:10] <tripelb> Windows and another save-things partition. Plus a backup drive. And another backup drive.
[04:11] <lsy> http://student.zjzk.cn/course_ware/data_structure/web/main.htm
[04:11] <tripelb> And I will backup before I do it( -- fyi I had one backup drive before the LUG-president destroyed my regular hard drive. So I bought a second.
[04:13] <OerHeks> tripelb, 2 backups is not too much these days
[04:14] <tripelb> Oerheks  My sense or organization shambles. I could not get kubuntu to see the outboard HD connected with a USB kit, tried with 2 different drives. This doesn't work for me. Ogensluit
[04:15] <OerHeks> tripelb, what filesystem is on that drive? if it is windows/exfat, you would need 2 tools
[04:15] <OerHeks> exfat-fuse exfat-utils > http://askubuntu.com/questions/451364/how-to-enable-exfat-in-ubuntu-14-04
[04:15] <OerHeks> fat32 and ntfs are standard supported
[04:16] <OerHeks> .. unless they have errors/dirty shutdown, then you would need windows to repair with chkdsk
[04:16] <tripelb> OerHeks: thanks for the ratification. Since I am tired I must quit now before I make mistakes. I took a drive with photos out of mynoldacbook. I would have done nothing YEARs ago had I know how easy. Site ufixit = good.
[04:16] <OerHeks> :-)
[04:16] <tripelb> My old Macbook
[04:17] <tripelb> :-) ;+)
[04:31] <Aurorasaura> my last windows computer is about to be converted lol
[04:32] <Aurorasaura> this last forced update ruined me
[04:48] <IgloriusFishPoo> alright, can someone explain to me why my Ubuntu outright refuses to even acknowledge the existence of my Samsung 32GiB EVO SDHC [1] card
[04:49] <IgloriusFishPoo> This isn't a matter of, "oh just mount / format it"; I mean it literally doesn't even show up in the list of devices for gparted
[04:50] <IgloriusFishPoo> The card is brand-new out of the box; and Ubuntu doesn't have any trouble with my other SDHC cards
[04:50] <OerHeks> IgloriusFishPoo,  what filesystem is on that drive? if it is windows/exfat, you would need 2 tools
[04:51] <IgloriusFishPoo> I have no idea, because like I said, this isn't a matter of mounting, Ubuntu literally does not recognize the device period
[04:51] <OerHeks> Yes it is.
[04:52] <OerHeks> unknown filesystem = no go
[04:53] <IgloriusFishPoo> an unknown filesystem will still show up in gparted or `fdisk -l`
[04:53] <OerHeks> true.
[04:53] <IgloriusFishPoo> yet it doesn't
[04:53] <OerHeks> but even new cards can be broken.
[04:54] <OerHeks> test it in an other pc?
[04:55] <IgloriusFishPoo> don't really have another device to test it in
[04:56] <IgloriusFishPoo> oh well, it only cost me like, $12...
[04:56] <OerHeks> smartphone perhaps?
[04:57] <IgloriusFishPoo> nah, I don't really buy smartphones. hate using touchscreens
[04:57] <OerHeks> haha me too, dirty screen is annoying ( even though i like ubuntu-touch)
[04:58] <IgloriusFishPoo> I've just got this jurassic-aged Verizon flip from like, 1999
[04:58] <OerHeks> 3310 ..
[04:58] <RedPenguin> Is there something I am missing? I put an SSL cert in /etc/ssl/certs and the key in /etc/ssl/private but I still can't get programs to use the CRT/Key
[04:58] <OerHeks> but it will be dead within 6 months, 3G is going down.
[05:00] <RedPenguin> oh wait I think I got it working finally
[05:00] <RedPenguin> at least in Chrome
[05:01] <IgloriusFishPoo> I tried using a smart phone before and absolutely hated it. They come with a shit-ton of crapware that can't be uninstalled; and the policies of storage device usage made buying the use of SD cards completely pointless
[05:03] <OerHeks> IgloriusFishPoo, find a way to test that card, or send it back
[05:05] <IgloriusFishPoo> To be frank, I would be using Windows if not for that fact that Windows XP/7 will be dropped soon. I don't take kindly to the idea of a paid subscription to have my user data fished against my will and downgrading my user experience.
[05:06] <IgloriusFishPoo> plus I'm primarily a C developer and most of the libraries I use require building with autotools...which on Windows just runs like total shit.
[05:07] <OerHeks> .. have fun!
[05:07] <boz0> hi
[05:07] <m0us3> yes, windows leaks so much data :-(..
[05:08] <IgloriusFishPoo> It's not my first experience with Linux  ;p.  I actually began a few years back with OpenSuse, then Ubuntu 12, went to Mint for about a year, and then back to Ubuntu for quite a few years. I actually have only been using Windows for the last year or so
[05:09] <IgloriusFishPoo> I don't dual boot, because I messed around with that a lot in the past, and it inevitably let to file system corruption and hard disk failure
[05:11] <azizLIGHT> OerHeks: i removed all the xorg-edgers ppa mess, removed it from all package's apt-cache policy version tables, did ppa-purge and now all my packages are finally back to ubuntu repo versions. now my question is, am i still on HWE? (i have made lots of changes and downgrades) where do i stand
[05:12] <OerHeks> azizLIGHT, what kernel are you on now?
[05:12] <azizLIGHT> OerHeks: i also did hwe-support-status --show-all-unsupported and i got no result
[05:12] <azizLIGHT> 3.13.0-110-generic selected manually from grub because 4.4 wouldnt boot. i have 4.4 installed
[05:13] <OerHeks> oh, 3.13 is not part of HWE.
[05:13] <OerHeks> if you remove kernel 4.4 and reinstall hwe again, it should work.
[05:13] <OerHeks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[05:14]  * OerHeks trows a frog over his left shoulder for good luck
[05:14] <azizLIGHT> yes but i have done the command "apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-xenial xserver-xorg-core-lts-xenial xserver-xorg-lts-xenial xserver-xorg-video-all-lts-xenial xserver-xorg-input-all-lts-xenial libwayland-egl1-mesa-lts-xenial libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-xenial libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-xenial:i386 libglapi-mesa-lts-xenial:i386" and i have a leftover of these packages from that command still installed:
[05:14] <azizLIGHT> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24069796/
[05:15] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: Show us in a pastenin ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ' get a hint that HWE still exists .
[05:15] <azizLIGHT> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24069802/
[05:16] <azizLIGHT> i have also tried to remove the packages that hte hwe stack command tried to install
[05:16] <azizLIGHT> in panic
[05:16] <azizLIGHT> much earlier
[05:17] <IgloriusFishPoo> My personal view is that Windows was successful because it was the only commercial operating system that wasn't trying to copy the work of Bell Labs. They implemented far cleaner and far well documented APIs that attracted developers; and they focused on graphical user experience, which allowed for a tremendously lower learning curve.
[05:17] <azizLIGHT> heres my apt history.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24069809/
[05:17] <azizLIGHT> as you can see in the first command, it tried to remove a bunch of my packages
[05:18] <azizLIGHT> and it did, without my seeing it/realizing it
[05:18] <OERIAS> IgloriusFishPoo, It was successful because of PC-DOS
[05:18] <azizLIGHT> second command was me trying to undo everything lol
[05:18] <IgloriusFishPoo> It had nothing to do with DOS
[05:18] <azizLIGHT> 3rd command oinwards, is me repairing everything
[05:18] <OERIAS> IgloriusFishPoo, Windows 1.0 to Windows ME did
[05:19] <IgloriusFishPoo> the first Windows was nothing but a window manager that ran on top of DOS and made it actually usable
[05:19] <OERIAS> IgloriusFishPoo, you're proving my point
[05:19] <IgloriusFishPoo> DOS was removed as a back end when the NT kernel was released
[05:19] <cfhowlett> interesting theory --- but completely offtopic in #ubuntu.  please continue in #ubuntu-offtopic.  Thanks.
[05:20] <IgloriusFishPoo> @OERIAS, My statement doesn't prove your point, no more than saying that Skyrim attributes it's entire success to the existence of Steam
[05:20] <azizLIGHT> i checked the lists and all packages and their apt-cache policies in very detailed manner. i have installed all the packages i lost that i had before attempting HWE successfully, and have removed some HWE packages, and these are the related HWE packages that still remain on my system: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24069796/
[05:20] <IgloriusFishPoo> That platform has nothing to do with the software
[05:20] <OerHeks> gutys, move the chitchat to #ubuntu-offtopic please ..
[05:20] <OerHeks> -t
[05:21] <azizLIGHT> so where should i go from here
[05:21] <OERIAS> OerHeks, I swallowed my pride and reinstalled ubuntu
[05:21] <azizLIGHT> remove all HWE packages in totality? and retry HWE stack upgrade command?
[05:21] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: Remove HWE : 1st steps ; ' sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-input-all libwayland-egl1-mesa ' . then we clean up HWE .
[05:22] <OERIAS> but my backup drive fell to the floor and i can't restore from the drive :(
[05:22] <OerHeks> OERIAS, we all have had that expensive lesson.
[05:22] <azizLIGHT> i have not rebooted since i have done this mess btw
[05:22] <OerHeks> oh, no backup?
[05:22] <azizLIGHT> not really
[05:22] <OERIAS> OerHeks, luckily I did a back up on Wednesday to a server.
[05:23] <OERIAS> So the information on the server isn't as old as the drive
[05:23] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: that command is to install the trusty versions right
[05:23] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: to establish the base packages i might ahve lost?
[05:24] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: correct . once the base is there we remove HWE .
[05:24] <azizLIGHT> i see
[05:24] <azizLIGHT> i will try with apt-get -s first
[05:25] <azizLIGHT> and then i want to make sure those packages it wants are not from xorg-edgers ppa in anwyway (i highly doubt at this point, but still worth checking)
[05:25] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24069841/
[05:25] <azizLIGHT> already present
[05:26] <azizLIGHT> i did it all by hand manually lol... by looking through the apt history log and installing them one by one
[05:26] <azizLIGHT> do u want apt-cache policy of the pacakges?
[05:26] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: Great thought ' tail -v -n +1 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* ' to saee the list of PPAs .
[05:27] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: i have lots of ppa unfrotunately: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24069848/
[05:30] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: " deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/graphics-drivers/ppa/ubuntu trusty main " still look'n .
[05:30] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: i think that one is ok
[05:30] <azizLIGHT> they dont throw x packages there
[05:30] <azizLIGHT> only nvidia stuff
[05:31] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: its only nvidia drivers: https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[05:31] <azizLIGHT> along with  libvdpau and
[05:31] <azizLIGHT> vdpauinfo
[05:35] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: Yeah, nvidia, if it presents a issue later is easy to deal with . Presently are you now below that 40 key limit ? 'ls /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d | wc -l ' .
[05:35] <azizLIGHT> 8 at the moment
[05:37] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: K; ' sudo apt-get purge linux-generic-lts-xenial xserver-xorg-core-lts-xenial xserver-xorg-lts-xenial xserver-xorg-video-all-lts-xenial xserver-xorg-input-all-lts-xenial libwayland-egl1-mesa-lts-xenial .
[05:37] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: K; ' sudo apt-get purge linux-generic-lts-xenial xserver-xorg-core-lts-xenial xserver-xorg-lts-xenial xserver-xorg-video-all-lts-xenial xserver-xorg-input-all-lts-xenial libwayland-egl1-mesa-lts-xenial ' .
[05:41] <azizLIGHT> i wil try with apt-get -s
[05:41] <azizLIGHT> first
[05:43] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: Keep in mind you are a long way yet " 0 to remove and 37 not upgraded. " to get out of the woods .
[05:43] <azizLIGHT> yeah im wondering what thats about
[05:47] <Keyb0ard> hi can I get a cloak?
[05:47] <angel_> hola
[05:47] <angel_> buen nochee
[05:48] <Bashing-om> Keyb0ard: wrong channel ya want #freenode for a cloak .
[05:48] <Keyb0ard> thanks bashing
[05:48] <bunchies> gracias, y tu
[05:49] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: should i do it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24069926/
[05:49] <bunchies> got a nice fresh xubuntu install
[05:50] <victor_1932> Hi
[05:50] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: they are HWE packages and need to be gone . doooo it .
[05:51] <azizLIGHT> done Bashing-om
[05:51] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24069931/
[05:52] <azizLIGHT> what would be the next step
[05:52] <azizLIGHT> reinstall HWE?
[05:52] <OerHeks> azizLIGHT, update first man
[05:52] <azizLIGHT> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade right?
[05:54] <azizLIGHT> some libreoffice updates
[05:54] <victor_1932> azizLight,Where are you from?
[05:54] <OerHeks> *full-upgrade
[05:54] <OerHeks> that would do kernels too
[05:54] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: clean up : ' sudo apt-get autoclean ; sudo apt-get autoremove ; sudo apt-get clean ; sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ; sidp apt -f install ; sudo dpkg --configure -a ; sudo dpkg -C ' .
[05:55] <azizLIGHT> upgrade or dist-ugprade: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24069936/
[05:55] <Bashing-om> typo sidp **
[05:57] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: why is it wanna remove all these packages? http://paste.ubuntu.com/24069942/
[05:57] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: I had meant to hold off on a full upgrade and to see what the package manager relates . but should not matter yet .
[05:58] <azizLIGHT> and full upgrade means ? upgrade to 16.04?
[05:58] <azizLIGHT> i want to stay on 14.04
[05:59] <cfhowlett> azizLIGHT, nope.  you will stay on 14.04.
[05:59] <OerHeks> !fullupgrade
[05:59] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: i dont like the apt-get autoclean command, what its doing. its removing so many packages. and why?
[05:59] <azizLIGHT> list of packages it will del: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24069942/
[06:00] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: no will just install what apt does not .. will not release upgrade - just upgrade what is now installed packages . when we get to that point .
[06:00] <azizLIGHT> ok i see
[06:01] <Keyb0ard> slash stats p wont give me list of staff is there another command?
[06:01] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: autoclean cleans the system cache of old downloaded packages , I do not want to work with old packages .
[06:01] <azizLIGHT> oh, so the deb files
[06:06] <azizLIGHT> is there a way to dry run the apt -f isntall command
[06:06] <azizLIGHT> i want to see what it does, before doing it
[06:07] <EriC^^> sudo apt-get -s -f install maybe?
[06:07] <azizLIGHT> hi EriC^^ im still working on HWE problem
[06:07] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: yeah , anything that the system needs to fetch once mpre will be done with those following commands - and we are looking for error reports !
[06:08] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: hi, where are you at now?
[06:08] <azizLIGHT> EriC^^: i got rid of the xorgedgers version of packages and downgraded everything to ubnutu repo versions, ppa purged xorg-edgers, now im trying to clean up HWE with Bashing-om and everyone elses help
[06:09] <azizLIGHT> i also installed all the packages that were ended up being removed the other day
[06:09] <azizLIGHT> except for crossover
[06:09] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: ah great
[06:09] <azizLIGHT> ill deal with that one later
[06:10] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: done with all the commands
[06:11] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: and dpkg --configure -a came back clean ?? anddddd ,, dpkg -C just returned to a prompt ?
[06:13] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: yes its all clean and im back to prompt
[06:13] <azizLIGHT> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[06:15] <azizLIGHT> i ran each command individually... then i did the whole thing all together again
[06:15] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: Then it is time to grit our teeth - 1st though I do want to see ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ' for my peace of mind .
[06:15] <azizLIGHT> and it said that at the end when i did the whole thing together
[06:15] <azizLIGHT> should i | pastebinit
[06:16] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: Uh huh ,, I want that peace before further advise .
[06:16] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24069997/
[06:18] <sysdown102> ummm hello
[06:18] <cfhowlett> 150 ppa?!!!
[06:18] <sysdown102> hi
[06:18] <cfhowlett> sysdown102, topic is ubuntu support.  ask your questions
[06:18] <azizLIGHT> cfhowlett: nooo it must be under 20?
[06:19] <sysdown102> im new here guys
[06:19] <cfhowlett> line #164 - line #296 --- bit surprised.
[06:20] <azizLIGHT> yea i dunno why it has so many lines, but i dont have that many ppa
[06:20] <azizLIGHT> i have a lot, but not THAT many
[06:20] <cfhowlett> sysdown102, if you have a question, ask.  if you want to jibberjabber, please use #ubuntu-offtopic.  thank you.
[06:20] <sysdown102> can i join
[06:21] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: Reboot and let's see what happens now . - look'n good presently :)
[06:21] <azizLIGHT> cfhowlett: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24070005/
[06:21] <cfhowlett> azizLIGHT, fair enough
[06:21] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: i still have 4.4 kernel package installed
[06:22] <azizLIGHT> it doesnt boot for me, so ill boot into 3.13.0-110-generic
[06:22] <azizLIGHT> this will be my first reboot since i messed up
[06:22] <azizLIGHT> i hope i can see u again
[06:22] <c|oneman> you suck
[06:22] <azizLIGHT> c|oneman: shadap
[06:23] <azizLIGHT> c|oneman: u didnt even help me i messed up my whole shit
[06:23] <cfhowlett> let's keep the insults out of the channel guys
[06:23] <azizLIGHT> anyway. time to reboot
[06:23] <azizLIGHT> cfhowlett: he my friend
[06:23] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: Did you boot with a 4.4 kernel ? I coild have swore you advised up on the 3.13 kernel (??) .
[06:23] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: 4.4 never booted for me. ive always been on 3.13.0-110-generic
[06:24] <azizLIGHT> it would hang when it asks for encryption passphrase
[06:24] <azizLIGHT> on 4.4
[06:24] <azizLIGHT> and nothing gets written to dmesg.log
[06:24] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: should i reboot now or more questions?
[06:25] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: Well, we can look and see what we have installed ' dpkg -l | grep linux- '.
[06:25] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24070016/
[06:25] <azizLIGHT> so i guess when we did HWE purge, it didnt care to remove 4.4
[06:26] <mo_om> I can't get the channel list
[06:26] <mo_om> only robots here?
[06:27] <alkisg> No
[06:27] <cfhowlett> topic here is ubuntu support, mo_om .
[06:27] <mo_om> okey = =
[06:27] <azizLIGHT> reboot?
[06:27] <azizLIGHT> im anxious
[06:28] <mo_om> bots
[06:28] <mo_om> chat bots
[06:29] <mo_om> answer machine :)
[06:32] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: run ' sudo apt-get purge linux-image-4.4.0-64-generic ;  sudo apt-get purge linux-headers-4.4.0-64-generic ;  sudo apt-get purge linux-headers-4.4.0-64 ; sudo apt-get purge linux-image-extra-4.4.0-64-generic ' .
[06:33] <azizLIGHT> ERROR: Cannot create report: [Errno 17] File exists: '/var/crash/virtualbox-4.3.0.crash'
[06:34] <azizLIGHT> i knew of this
[06:34] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: first part: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24070036/
[06:34] <azizLIGHT> just some virtualbox crap
[06:35] <azizLIGHT> what are these lines: The link /vmlinuz is a damaged link; Removing symbolic link vmlinuz ;  you may need to re-run your boot loader[grub]
[06:37] <azizLIGHT> should i continue?
[06:38] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: Looks pretty good, but, " you may need to re-run your boot loader[grub] " we best check . show ' ls -al /vmlinuz* /initrd.img* ' .
[06:38] <azizLIGHT> that was just the first command Bashing-om
[06:38] <azizLIGHT> i am paused at the Y/N prompt for 2nd command
[06:39] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: continie . no hard error yet .
[06:39] <azizLIGHT> done with the remaining commands, no error
[06:40] <azizLIGHT> now to check the vmlinuz
[06:40] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: output of ' ls -al /vmlinuz* /initrd.img* ' : http://paste.ubuntu.com/24070053/
[06:41] <azizLIGHT> maybe i need to run grub update or something
[06:42] <azizLIGHT> there is no vmlinuz file only vmlinuz.old?
[06:44] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: yeah, let's see if grub will heal . ' sudo update-grub ' ,
[06:44] <azizLIGHT> update-grub or update-grub2? i have encrypted / and /home and /swap
[06:45] <azizLIGHT> and also windows
[06:45] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: does not matter . as the script will also pick up grub2 .
[06:47] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24070065/
[06:48] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: output of ' ls -al /vmlinuz* /initrd.img* ' after sudo update-grub: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24070066/
[06:48] <azizLIGHT> is that normal
[06:50] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: No not what we want . we can set the symlinks manually . show ' ls -al /boot/ ' .
[06:50] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24070071/
[06:54] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT:
[06:57] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: ?
[06:58] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: i think you typed something but it doesnt show
[07:00] <lerner> say I want to transfer 5 GB of data toanother computer online. How do I do it?
[07:00] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: ' sudo rm /initrd.img.old /vmlinuz.old ; sudo ln -s /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-110-generic /vmlinuz ; sudo ln -s  /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-110-generic /initrd.img ; sudo ln -s /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-101-generic /vmlinuz.old ; sudo ln -s  /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-101-generic /initrd.img.old ' .
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> lerner: try ##networking channel perhaps?
[07:02] <lerner> a ssh transfer should suffice
[07:02] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: added spaces take then out "  ln -s  /boot " .
[07:03] <zerorax> does ubuntu support 64 threaded systems(4 16 core cpu)
[07:03] <azizLIGHT> hm?
[07:03] <azizLIGHT> ok
[07:04] <azizLIGHT> sudo rm /initrd.img.old /vmlinuz.old ; sudo ln -s /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-110-generic /vmlinuz ; sudo ln -s /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-110-generic /initrd.img ; sudo ln -s /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-101-generic /vmlinuz.old ; sudo ln -s /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-101-generic /initrd.img.old
[07:04] <azizLIGHT> look good?
[07:08] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: Yes ,, that looks proper . I am tired and not doing as well as I should .
[07:09] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: now ' ls -al /vmlinuz* /initrd.img* ' looks like: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24070112/
[07:10] <azizLIGHT> and ls -al /boot: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24070109/
[07:12] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: Looks good for the symlinks , is grub still happy ? ' sudo update-grub ' . for cheap insurance .
[07:13] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: sudo update-grub: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24070129/
[07:13] <azizLIGHT> i dont understand why update-grub didnt catch the problem with vmlinuz
[07:13] <azizLIGHT> with symlinks
[07:13] <azizLIGHT> hmm
[07:16] <azizLIGHT> what else should i make sure, so i can boot
[07:16] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: Lots I do not understand ( or know ) . not the 1st time I have had to mamually go back and set the symlinks . // OK consider, I think we are ready to try a RE-boot, yes ?
[07:16] <azizLIGHT> that whole grub thing made me uneasy
[07:18] <azizLIGHT> theres nothing else i should check?
[07:19] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: Well, grub was already broke to start with or the 4.4 kernel would have booted . I still a bit concerned that 'autoremove' did not remove those old kernels, But that is a problem to address after the next kernel update .
[07:22] <azizLIGHT> oh so the reason i couldnt boot into 4.4 was because of the vmlinuz symlinks?
[07:24] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: Perhaps . not enough info to make a good call on that . All I know to do now is RE-boot and see what happens . I have not come up with a reason why not to try .
[07:24] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: ok sir. i will see on on the other side. thanks for your help. if i cannot boot i still have access to irc though
[07:26] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: I do not anticipate there to be a problem . see ya on the other side .
[07:32] <azizLIGHT> well, i tried to boot and after i entered my passphrase for my encrypted disk, it said cryptbox setup sucessfull y and then it didnt do anything and wouldnt respond to ctrl-alt-f1 ctrl-alt-backspace or ctrl-alt-del. but it did respond to power button press and shut down
[07:32] <azizLIGHT> i rebooted into same kernel with recovery now
[07:32] <azizLIGHT> im logged in now, but not in X
[07:32] <azizLIGHT> im on prompt
[07:34] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: Bashing-om try booting without quiet splash and debug instead maybe?
[07:35] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: EriC^^ Bet the nvidia graphics driver got broke .
[07:36] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: aha
[07:36] <azizLIGHT> i can pastebin the dmesg? does /var/log/dmesg correspond to current boot (in recoverymode right now at prompt) and then does /var/log/dmesg.0 correspond to previous boot where it hung after entering the passphrase?
[07:36] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: The driver was built on the 4.4 kernel and we removed it :)
[07:36] <mahakal> Eric^^: Hi Eric..Is there any ubuntu distro for android development only ?
[07:36] <cfhowlett> mahakal, no.
[07:37] <EriC^^> mahakal: no idea
[07:38] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: yeah dmesg is like that
[07:38] <mahakal> cfhowlett: i think we should have one .....
[07:38] <Xundres> hi, how can I change the order of applications in the launcher? Maybe customizing it with folder that group some apps etc, similar to what can be done on a phone
[07:38] <cfhowlett> mahakal, feel free to develop one and submit it to canonical for official support
[07:39] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: Kist for general principles - cause I have little doubt ' mount -o remount rw / ; apt purge nvidia* ; ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' . and again reboot to see the effect .
[07:39] <azizLIGHT> this is my hung boot: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24070227 and this is my current boot paste.ubuntu.com/24070209
[07:40] <azizLIGHT> i cannot read it on my phone screen
[07:41] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: doesn't have much
[07:41] <azizLIGHT> hows that possible
[07:42] <azizLIGHT> oh you mean nothing useful there?
[07:42] <EriC^^> yeah that's what i meant
[07:45] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: EriC^^ " nvidia: module verification failed: signature and/or  required key missing - tainting kernel " let's re-install the driver  as above .
[07:45] <azizLIGHT> whats nvidia module verification failed signature and/or required key
[07:45] <azizLIGHT> yea i was typing that
[07:46] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: could you rephrase what you said earlier: Kist for general principles etc...
[07:47] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: Recall I did suppose that we would have to re-install the driver " not a big deal " :)
[07:48] <azizLIGHT> i want to install nvidia-358
[07:48] <azizLIGHT> i know it works
[07:48] <azizLIGHT> can i do that one specifically? if so, how
[07:48] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: In the root consile ( recovery ) : ' mount -o remount rw / ; apt purge nvidia* ; ubuntu-drivers autoinstall '
[07:48] <azizLIGHT> am i in root console
[07:49] <Bashing-om> axisys: sure . apt install nvidia-358 .
[07:50] <azizLIGHT> i booted into 3.13.0-110-generic recovery and when it prompted me i said resume normal boot (in that pink screen, i forgot what it said)
[07:50] <azizLIGHT> and then i am sitting at command prompt in tmux
[07:50] <azizLIGHT> am i in root console/ recovery then
[07:51] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: nope
[07:51] <azizLIGHT> how do you get to there
[07:51] <azizLIGHT> and why cant i do the command from here
[07:52] <EriC^^> type "id"
[07:53] <azizLIGHT> it says a bunch of things that i am not able to copy paste
[07:54] <azizLIGHT> http://i.imgur.com/Stnf3cu.jpg
[07:56] <azizLIGHT> hm
[07:57] <Kristjantwelve> yo
[07:59] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: That looks like a normal terminal (tty) to me . what desktop are you running ?
[08:00] <azizLIGHT> I figured out how to get to root console; root shell prompt option at the pink screen
[08:00] <azizLIGHT> http://i.imgur.com/m94X8vb.jpg
[08:01] <madsj> is there a ppa for the most recent boost libraries? 1.58 is in xenial, I'd like 1.6x
[08:02] <azizLIGHT> On https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode it says I need to mount -o remount,rw / and then mount --all as well if I have separate partitions
[08:04] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: I would prefer to work from that normal terminal rather than the root shell . What desktop are we working with ?
[08:04] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: I'm on Ubuntu 14.04.5 x64
[08:05] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: Boot back into that normal terminal and there what results ' sudo service lightdm start ' ?
[08:06] <azizLIGHT> Job failed to start
[08:08] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: Pastebin ' sudo lshw -C display ' . I bet we see " unclaimed " .
[08:09] <azizLIGHT> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24070366
[08:10] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: Nope . we have the driver loaded . something else is going on here , " configuration: driver=nvidia " .
[08:11] <CrazyTux> hello, why is Ubuntu and its other official derivatives listed separately on distrowatch.com? Put together they can easily surpass Mint in page hit ranking.
[08:11] <azizLIGHT> When I read /var/log/lightdm/x-0.log it says X: cannot stat /etc/X11/X (no such file or first directory),  aborting
[08:12] <alkisg> CrazyTux: haha, mint is ubuntu with just a few packages over it, it should be listed under ubuntu too if it was done properly
[08:13] <CrazyTux> what do you mean by "if it was done properly"? is it not done properly?
[08:13] <alkisg> No, it has a lot of hand made scripts that write whatever they want in /etc without respect for debian policy
[08:13] <alkisg> ubuntu-mate is somewhat close to mint, but done properly
[08:13] <CrazyTux> ok. I didn't know this.
[08:14] <CrazyTux> ok. You mean Ubuntu Mate better than Mint?
[08:14] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: can you boot to the login screen and log in with the guest account ? If you can this isolates to your account .
[08:14] <alkisg> For me, surely yes
[08:14] <CrazyTux> how does this affect how Mint behaves?
[08:14] <alkisg> It's also supported here, unlike mint
[08:14] <alkisg> !mint
[08:14] <azizLIGHT> I have a guest account? Bashing-om
[08:14] <azizLIGHT> I'll do ctrl-alt-f2 to go to other tty
[08:15] <CrazyTux> I'll use Mate only then.
[08:16] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: in a standard desktop install Yes . at the login box you should have the option to login guest .
[08:16] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: I don't have any gui
[08:16] <kierqueen> hi
[08:16] <kierqueen> I get this error when I open the matlab site? https://support.mozilla.org/t5/Fix-slowness-crashing-error/What-does-quot-Your-connection-is-not-secure-quot-mean/ta-p/30354
[08:17] <kierqueen> https://www.mathworks.com/
[08:17] <azizLIGHT> Im on prompt, lightdm won't start for me to select a guest account from that gui menu
[08:17] <Kristjan66> hi
[08:17] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: I think I'm misunderstanding you
[08:17] <kierqueen> what can I do?
[08:17] <kierqueen> how to get new certificates? If tat is the problem first of all
[08:17] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: I'm at the prompt on tty1
[08:18] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: In that event , going to take a bit to find the cause , I am just too tired to think this through at this time . Others here will hve to pick up my slack .
[08:18] <azizLIGHT> At least I can boot, just gotta figure out how to get a gui
[08:18] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: Yeah the fact that you got me to boot is greatly appreciated
[08:19] <w0rlock> Good morning!
[08:19] <w0rlock> Im having some issues with mounting drives within Ubuntu. It seems that it always wants to mount my HDDs as removable drives? Is there any way i can mount them as HDDS not removable drives?
[08:19] <auronandace> !fstab | w0rlock
[08:20] <w0rlock> Within fstab i am only seeing /dev/sda1 not the other 5 drives attached to the PC.
[08:20] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: Correct . maybe just a small matter to fix the GUI . But I must quit . Just to tired now to think clearly .
[08:20] <auronandace> w0rlock: you need to add them to your /etc/fstab
[08:21] <w0rlock> It seems on start up the automatcailly get mounted to /media/myname/drivename
[08:21] <w0rlock> But not mentioned in fstab
[08:21] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om, no worries, thanks for the step by steps, couldn't have got to here without you
[08:26] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: I was hopeing to get Eric to pick this up . but seems his connection is unstable . Anyway .. I am out of here . I check on you when I return .
[08:27] <azizLIGHT> :)
[08:27] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: Bashing-om looks to be good now
[08:27] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: farewell, have a pleasant night :)
[08:27] <azizLIGHT> Goodnight Bashing-om
[08:28] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Appreciate ya taking up my slack . nvidia driver is loaded - display does not start - lightdm .
[08:28] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: alright
[08:29] <azizLIGHT> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24070430/ is my dmesg
[08:29] <azizLIGHT> That's with quiet and splash removed in boot options and added debug
[08:29] <azizLIGHT> Normal boot, not recovery mode
[08:30] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: are you using uefi?
[08:30] <azizLIGHT> 3.13.0-110-generic
[08:30] <azizLIGHT> I believe so, how do I check
[08:30] <EriC^^> try "ls /sys/firmware/efi"
[08:31] <EriC^^> i think the nvidia taints kernel stuff is uefi related
[08:32] <azizLIGHT> EriC^^: http://i.imgur.com/cGBOsju.jpg
[08:32] <azizLIGHT> Sorry about pictures
[08:32] <azizLIGHT> But I'm on the phone
[08:32] <EriC^^> np, ok you're using uefi
[08:33] <azizLIGHT> ive used this kernel with nvidia-358 before and gotten gui
[08:34] <azizLIGHT> older kernels and nvidia-358 still worked
[08:34] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: try "sudo pastebinit /var/log/lightdm/{x-0,lightdm}.log"
[08:35] <azizLIGHT> http:/paste.ubuntu.com/24070454 and 24070455
[08:36] <azizLIGHT> two urls sorry
[08:36] <azizLIGHT> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24070455
[08:36] <azizLIGHT> hope i didnt typo
[08:38] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: try just in case "sudo apt-get install --reinstall lightdm"
[08:39] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: when it boots normally it goes to a black screen now? and ctrl+alt+f1 gives the tty?
[08:40] <azizLIGHT> when i boot it without quiet and without splash, and used debug (but not with recovery mode kernel option in grub), it takes me to tty login straight
[08:41] <azizLIGHT> let me try reinstall lightdm
[08:41] <EriC^^> ok
[08:41] <azizLIGHT> done reinstalling
[08:41] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: try sudo service lightdm restart
[08:42] <azizLIGHT> it says
[08:42] <azizLIGHT> stop: unknown instance:
[08:42] <azizLIGHT> start: job failed to start
[08:42] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: try "DISPLAY=:1 startx xterm"
[08:43] <azizLIGHT> EriC^^: http://i.imgur.com/ewdqFEJ.jpg
[08:44] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: i wonder why it wants that file, it dont have it myself
[08:44] <Ben64> azizLIGHT: ls -ld /etc/X11/X
[08:45] <azizLIGHT> ls: cannot access /etc/X11/X: no such file or directory
[08:45] <Ben64> welp
[08:45] <EriC^^> iirc there used to be a symlink though, maybe it's just on 16.04 it went away
[08:46] <Ben64> it's a symlink on my system
[08:46] <EriC^^> what does dpkg -S /etc/X11/X give you Ben64 ?
[08:46] <azizLIGHT> i mustve killed the symlinks when i had to remove all the xorg packages and reinstall them
[08:46] <Ben64> EriC^^: nothing
[08:46] <Ben64> azizLIGHT: ls -ld /usr/bin/Xorg
[08:46] <EriC^^> maybe reinstall everything X related azizLIGHT
[08:47] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: dpkg -l | grep xorg | pastebinit
[08:48] <azizLIGHT> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24070490 for ls
[08:48] <azizLIGHT> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24070491 for dpkg
[08:49] <Ben64> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/Xorg /etc/X11/X
[08:49] <Ben64> maybe
[08:50] <azizLIGHT> restart lightdm?
[08:50] <Ben64> go for it
[08:50] <azizLIGHT> lol it worked
[08:50] <azizLIGHT> i got login screen and logged in and see my gui dkestop
[08:50] <Ben64> cool
[08:51] <EriC^^> nice
[08:51] <azizLIGHT> how do i send detach to the inner tmux process
[08:51] <azizLIGHT> if ctrl-a is my key for both
[08:52] <azizLIGHT> ah whatever... i guess
[08:52] <azizLIGHT> COOL so it worked
[08:52] <azizLIGHT> just a broken symlink!!
[08:52] <azizLIGHT> thank you thank you EriC^^ Ben64
[08:53] <azizLIGHT> now lets see if i can play a game :P
[08:54] <manish_> is there any way i can use flash drive as authentication medium for ubuntu login
[08:54] <azizLIGHT> rocket league works :)
[08:54] <azizLIGHT> i guess im back to business
[08:55] <azizLIGHT> well, the whole reason i wanted HWE was to get 4.4 so i could get better hardware support for my xbox one controller so i could play rocket league with it
[08:55] <w0rlock> Hi, i mentioned earlier in regards to fstab. Ive managed to disbale hotswap on my motherboard. So just need to edit fstab to mount the ntfs drives
[08:55] <azizLIGHT> doesnt seem like xbox one controller works on 3.13.0-110
[08:56] <CombuderBob> fstab discussion? Perfect, I'm wondering if there's an "official" guide to mounting CIFS shares through fstab. :D
[08:57] <OlofL> Hello does anyone know a RDP client for linux that can auto resize according to the current window size?
[08:59] <azizLIGHT> so, should i attempt HWE again?
[08:59] <azizLIGHT> this time i dont have xorg-edgers ppa
[09:00] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: great, no problem
[09:01] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: i meant about the comment you made before, not the last question :D
[09:01] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: i'd go through the xorg packages reinstalling them just in case, easy to do
[09:03] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: dpkg -l | awk '$1 == "ii" && /xorg/ {print $2}' | xargs sudo apt-get install --reinstall
[09:05] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: i guess if you dont have any ppa's that might make a problem and you need the hwe for something then sure
[09:06] <azizLIGHT> doing xorg package reinstall now
[09:07] <w0rlock> Can somone give me a hand with mount --bind on startup within fstab?
[09:08] <azizLIGHT> EriC^^: i think xorg-edgers even says dont use with HWE
[09:08] <azizLIGHT> well i didnt consider that
[09:08] <azizLIGHT> all my other ppas are just one off software, except for the graphics drivers one, and trusty-media that seems to install newer libs for media processing, and new versions of media players than ubntu repos
[09:08] <azizLIGHT> so i think i should be safe
[09:09] <azizLIGHT> in any case, if something goes wrong again, i know how to downgrade lol :P
[09:25] <Xundres> 08:37:02 - Xundres: how can I customize the order in the launcher? Maybe creating folder etc
[09:38] <xCykrix> Hey, I was wondering if anyone is around that could help me with a network issue. I'm trying to connect my ubuntu server wirelessly with a USB device and DHCP nor static is having any luck. It's starting to become a severe challenge more than an easy task. I either get stuck in a DHCPRequest or no error.
[09:39] <xCykrix> If you need my network interfaces or any other info I can provide it
[09:41] <xCykrix> https://hastebin.com/uhonefigum.txt thats the network interface
[09:44] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: :D
[09:48] <xCykrix> Hey, I was wondering if anyone is around that could help me with a network issue. I'm trying to connect my ubuntu server wirelessly with a USB device and DHCP nor static is having any luck. It's starting to become a severe challenge more than an easy task. I either get stuck in a DHCPRequest or no error.
[09:48] <xCykrix> If you need my network interfaces or any other info I can provide it
[09:48] <xCykrix> https://hastebin.com/uhonefigum.txt thats the network interface
[09:48] <tatertots> xCykrix: open terminal
[09:49] <xCykrix> tatertots, I already have it open. Ubuntu Server :P
[09:49] <tatertots> xCykrix: sudo apt install sosreport
[09:49] <xCykrix> already installed
[09:50] <tatertots> xCykrix: sudo sosreport
[09:51] <tatertots> xCykrix: skip case number by pressing enter again when prompted
[09:51] <xCykrix> I just set it as 0 but oh well lol
[09:52] <tatertots> xCykrix: let it run, let me know when its done
[09:52] <xCykrix> already is
[09:53] <tatertots> xCykrix: upload report to https://filebin.net/ and share the url/link
[09:53] <Aurorasaura> Morning everyone. I was wondering if there is a way to create an extended drive like in windows. I have several files I need to keep on one drive but they are too big for one drive. I am using Ubuntu server
[09:53] <tatertots> xCykrix: let me know if you run into any problems uploading
[09:53] <Aurorasaura> Morning everyone. I was wondering if there is a way to create an extended drive like in windows. I have several files I need to keep on one drive but they are too big for one drive. I am using Ubuntu server
[09:54] <Aurorasaura> oops lol sorry for the double
[09:54] <alkisg> Aurorasaura: both lvm and btrfs can do that
[09:56] <Aurorasaura> exit
[09:56] <alkisg> you're welcome
[09:56] <tatertots> xCykrix: how's it coming along?
[09:56] <mint> i do not get the hate towards mint. please tell me what is up with that?
[09:57] <Aurorasaura> lol ty alksig, I am still new to ubuntu server so I will have to read how to use those
[09:57] <alkisg> mint, It's not hate at all; we just don't support it here because it's not a direct ubuntu derivative
[09:57] <xCykrix> tatertots: sorry, i have to move it to another device via usb haha
[09:59] <alkisg> Aurorasaura: an alternative would be to use different dirs, for example /bigdir/mount-point1 for 1st partition and /bigdir/mount-point2 for second partition
[09:59] <xCykrix> tatertots: https://filebin.net/k2dsy0lslw0blt69
[10:00] <Aurorasaura> hmm. ty for the insight alkisg
[10:00] <xCykrix> It's probably gonna be something simple too lol
[10:02] <tatertots> xCykrix: is the usb device connected to the system now?
[10:02] <xCykrix> Yes, it is.
[10:02] <xCykrix> Belkin Components F7D2101
[10:04] <digilab> does any one have a working idea for live streaming webcam video ?
[10:04] <digilab> all tips are welcome ..
[10:05] <xCykrix> I would assume your live streaming software supports it?
[10:05] <tatertots> xCykrix: iw dev|nc termbin.com 9999
[10:07] <xCykrix> The server does not have internet access currently. So i'd have to echo it to a file
[10:08] <Xundres> How can I chose which apps can appear in the launcher, or order them, or create folder with apps (as in android launcher)
[10:08] <Xundres> ?
[10:08] <xCykrix> tatertots: That doesn't appear to output anything at all
[10:09] <tatertots> xCykrix: ubuntu server doesn't have iw or network manager, both things that would help manage a wlan device installed by default...
[10:09] <tatertots> xCykrix: you'd need to install them
[10:10] <xCykrix> The command is installed. Just not returning anything.
[10:11] <xCykrix> I have another device that works fine on the same OS. But this one refuses to connect. I copied the exact same settings and it just loops for some reason.
[10:11] <xCykrix> OS version*
[10:12] <Poukai> exit
[10:13] <tatertots> xCykrix: what is the name of this interface
[10:14] <xCykrix> tatertots: wlxc05627e46438
[10:14] <tatertots> xCykrix: https://gist.github.com/9d90c42ed78f88f0da7c18ee168f8e1f
[10:14] <xCykrix> Why it's that odd I will never know
[10:15] <tatertots> xCykrix: its using driver: r8712u
[10:15] <xCykrix> that means...?
[10:15] <Aurorasaura> can't you just use one mount point for multiple drives so all the files are stored in one place?
[10:15] <tatertots> xCykrix: lets get a inxi off this thing...in terminal>     sudo apt install inxi
[10:15] <Aurorasaura> listed in one place*
[10:16] <xCykrix> again... I don't have network access currntly. It is showing as detected and working in ifconfig
[10:16] <xCykrix> I just cannot get it to connect to my network.
[10:16] <k1l> xCykrix: its working but not working?
[10:17] <xCykrix> It wont connect to my network, via DHCP or static
[10:17] <xCykrix> but it shows up in the devices
[10:17] <tatertots> xCykrix: sudo ip link set wlxc05627e46438 up
[10:17] <ChrisPa> Hey, is there a log I can view to see which connections (if any) are being blocked by the firewall or whatnot?
[10:18] <ChrisPa> I'm having trouble tracing down whether my ISP is blocking the packet or if Ubuntu isn't playing nice
[10:18] <xCykrix> tatertots: I already tried that, ifdown ifup, and restarting
[10:18] <k1l> xCykrix: using networkmanager? what does dmesg say?
[10:18] <tatertots> xCykrix: it is connected https://gist.github.com/673790bd81e44928ea7bdea2ffa27dec
[10:19] <tatertots> xCykrix: it is connected https://gist.github.com/673790bd81e44928ea7bdea2ffa27dec as you can see it has 10.0.0.16/24
[10:19] <tatertots> xCykrix: it's connected using the static ip you gave it
[10:19] <xCykrix> It is not allowing me to SSH or ping outside servers
[10:20] <xCykrix> Also k1l, it says IPv6: ADDCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlxc05627e46483: link is not ready
[10:20] <tatertots> xCykrix: then let's find out if you gave it proper static ip settings which would allow for that functionality
[10:20] <xCykrix> then a bunch o fwtuff after and the same thing
[10:21] <xCykrix> of stuff*
[10:21] <Guest19272> I can't seem to play dvds, this is the output I got from mplayer via command line paste.ubuntu.com/24070758/
[10:21] <xCykrix> I bound the mac address to 10.0.0.16
[10:21] <Guest19272> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24070758/
[10:21] <tatertots> xCykrix: this is what you gave it as a route https://gist.github.com/b33c30034bc06af53c03692175845ccf
[10:21] <ChrisPa> Please somebody help, when they get the chance.. I have been stuck on this all weekend, I'm going to sleep defeated, again.. ugh.. Starting to think Verizon Wireless may be to blame, as I'm using tethered internet ..
[10:22] <tatertots> xCykrix: can you ping 10.0.0.1
[10:22] <murray1> What's ur issue ChrisPa?
[10:22] <xCykrix> Destinatio Host Unreachable
[10:22] <tatertots> xCykrix: then you gave it a bad/invalid route
[10:22] <tatertots> xCykrix: fix it
[10:23] <xCykrix> I don't know what I did wrong... I'm not a expert at ubuntu networking...
[10:23] <xCykrix> thats why I came to ask for help
[10:23] <ChrisPa> I can't figure out where a packet is dying, .. I'm trying to run a squid server and connect to it over the internet
[10:23] <murray1> It looks like I wasn't typing the command right, but it still isn't working http://paste.ubuntu.com/24070769/
[10:24] <tatertots> xCykrix: do you have any other devices on the same wlan?
[10:24] <ChrisPa> It works locally and everything should be enabled for it to work over the wires too, but I can't telnet into any of the ports that should be open to test them.. I can connect out even with ssh though..
[10:24] <murray1> Really sorry ChrisPa, I don't know anything about that. I would try asking in a bunch of places, not just here. Ubuntu forums, askubuntu, etc
[10:24] <xCykrix> No I do not, that is the only system that uses it. And 10.0.0.16 is not registered to any other device.
[10:24] <xCykrix> murray1, libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable.
[10:25] <ChrisPa> what would be the quickest way to open a port to run a test to see if my isp is blocking incoming traffic
[10:25] <ChrisPa> or to view some kind of log that shows blocked request
[10:26] <xCykrix> tatertots: What file would you need to help me figure out where I screwed up?
[10:26] <murray1> xCykrix: I get "E: Unable to locate package libdvdread"
[10:27] <xCykrix> murray1, If I understand the error correctly, ubuntu cannot play protected media that is on formats such as those.
[10:27] <tatertots> xCykrix: you gave it this route https://gist.github.com/b33c30034bc06af53c03692175845ccf and it's obviously not valid or does not route to the outside world...what model of access point or router are you using in your network environment?
[10:28] <murray1> xCykrix: Such as what? It's just a standard DVD as far as I'm aware
[10:28] <murray1> I could try a different DVD
[10:29] <tatertots> xCykrix: do you have any other devices on the same wired OR wireless LAN?
[10:29] <tatertots> xCykrix: i said wired or wireless
[10:30] <tatertots> xCykrix: as you need to determine your proper route from observing another device since you do not know this information
[10:30] <xCykrix> wireless, and yes a few devices use it
[10:31] <xCykrix> http://imgur.com/a/e8Mmq - Router Model and Version with a copy of windows ipconfig /all
[10:31] <tatertots> xCykrix: can you access any other device on this lan (wired or wireless) that have internet access?
[10:32] <xCykrix> The windows machine I am on yes. I also have another ubuntu 16.04.2 server using this network on DHCP
[10:32] <xCykrix> without a static ip
[10:32] <murray1> Accidentally closed pidgin, still here
[10:33] <tatertots> xCykrix: ok good
[10:34] <xCykrix> murray1, try "libdvd-pkg"
[10:34] <tatertots> xCykrix: the part that is concerning is that you are unable to ping 10.0.0.1 which according to your windows ipconfig, is your default gateway....nothing can occur in that condition
[10:35] <xCykrix> I know, that's why i'm trying to figure out what is blocking it
[10:35] <xCykrix> this is a fresh install so nothing prior could be
[10:37] <Xundres> How to order applications in dashboard? Create folder etc?
[10:38] <tatertots> xCykrix: this is what i see about the static ip setting you chose to use https://gist.github.com/865a983a8de5a94351eabd0072066077
[10:38] <xCykrix> what does that mean exactly?
[10:39] <murray1> Thanks xCykrix, that worked
[10:39] <xCykrix> :)
[10:42] <Xundres> How to order applications in dashboard? Create folder etc?
[10:43] <tatertots> xCykrix: use dhcp/auto ip settings temporarily and see if you get connectivity
[10:43] <k1l> Xundres: no folders in unity dash
[10:43] <Xundres> k1l: and in gnome shell?
[10:44] <murray1> Anyone know a simple test to check if a CPU is faulty?
[10:44] <k1l> Xundres: tag and name based searches dont work with folders. its like demanding steering on a motorbike with a steering wheel
[10:45] <murray1> I'm using lubuntu, it only has 1 GB of RAM but it shouldn't lag this much, and it was fine when I first installed it a few days ago. We did a RAM test and things seemed to be fine
[10:45] <xCykrix> tatertots, all I get is "DHCPDISCOVER on long_device_string to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval <num> (xid=0x550cee77)
[10:45] <k1l> murray1: well, if you use heavy program slike firefox 1gb is not that much
[10:46] <murray1> I suppose, maybe
[10:46] <murray1> the performance seems to fluctuate seemingly randomly though
[10:46] <k1l> murray1: using swap? look with "free -h"
[10:47] <cfhowlett> murray1, what exactly is lagging
[10:47] <tatertots> xCykrix: in terminal>   rfkill list
[10:47] <cfhowlett> and swap would be a great idea for you.
[10:47] <tatertots> xCykrix: are you blocked on any level?
[10:47] <k1l> swap is a reason why its lagging. since swap is slow
[10:47] <murray1> For example firefox was hanging earlier, couldn't click anything or move the window. It's fine atm though
[10:47] <hargut> Hello.
[10:48] <xCykrix> tatertots, cant use that, not installed
[10:48] <xCykrix> however i'm using root
[10:48] <xCykrix> so I would assume not
[10:48] <murray1> k1l: Yep, http://paste.ubuntu.com/24070874/
[10:48] <hargut> I've just done a apt-get dist-upgrade to move to 16.04.2, which worked nicely, but I've still kernel 4.4 active. I'd like to get 4.8, but what is the right meta package to use instead of linux-image-generic to update 16.04.2 to 4.8 series?
[10:49] <k1l> !hwe | hargut
[10:49] <k1l> hargut: read the article, no automatic change onto the hwe kernel path. you need to install that package mentioned there
[10:50] <hargut> k1l: Is hwe the default during install? I thought I've seen last week a 4.8 during a fresh 16.04.2 install. Or did I mix something up here?
[10:50] <tatertots> xCykrix: iw dev wlxc05627e46438 scan
[10:50] <hargut> k1l: Thanks! :-)
[10:50] <tatertots> xCykrix: if it does not show anything OR If it displays Interface does not support scanning, then you probably forgot to install the firmware. In some cases this message is also displayed when not running iw as root.
[10:51] <xCykrix> tatertots, "command failed: no such device (-19)
[10:52] <tatertots> xCykrix: well you'll need to install some things....your previous experience with any other adapter and what you may or may have not had to install...you can throw that out the window
[10:53] <xCykrix> rip. I think I have the install disc for it somewhere
[10:53] <xCykrix> but I have no clue how to run it in CLI
[10:53] <tatertots> xCykrix: sorry if that was too blunt but...
[10:54] <vibes22> New here pls forgive me for asking
[10:54] <hargut> That explains what I experienced nicely. Default for fresh installs starting with 16.04.2 will be hwe, but not installed during dist-upgrade: http://askubuntu.com/questions/882896/old-kernel-with-ubuntu-16-04-2-update
[10:54] <cfhowlett> vibes22, no apology needed.  ask your support question
[10:54] <k1l> hargut: that is the standard since very long time for hwe.
[10:55] <hargut> k1l: Could be, I've just noticed it now.
[10:55] <xCykrix> tatertots, would the installation disk for the device help perhaps?
[10:55] <tatertots> xCykrix: networkmanager
[10:56] <hargut> Previously I've mostly used recent releases and not LTS. But I'm getting older and learn to value LTS. ;-)
[10:56] <xCykrix> how would I tell if I have network manager?
[10:56] <tatertots> xCykrix: you don't
[10:56] <xCykrix> desktop only?
[10:56] <xCykrix> or does it just need to be installed
[10:57] <xCykrix> because I could probably ethernet it if absolutely needed
[10:57] <tatertots> xCykrix: you'd need to install networkmanager
[10:57] <tatertots> xCykrix: and yes that would require a temporary wired network connection
[10:59] <xCykrix> Will that be all i need?
[10:59] <xCykrix> because I don't want to have to move it more than once lol
[10:59] <xCykrix> actually, i might just be able to SSH into it once its out there
[11:00] <tatertots> xCykrix: iw commands are nice so you might want to ensure you can use those
[11:00] <alkisg> xCykrix: if you can boot it with a live cd/usb etc, you could then have wifi internet and chroot to the installation and install whatever packages you want
[11:01] <xCykrix> I really dont feel like reinstalling it again lol
[11:01] <skinnybo1> Hey
[11:01] <alkisg> xCykrix: I'm not talking about reinstallation
[11:01] <alkisg> xCykrix: it's one way to get internet access to the existing installation
[11:01] <skinnybo1> Has anyone tried getting into the java channel?
[11:01] <alkisg> xCykrix: you boot from a live cd/usb, then use the "chroot" command to give internet to your existing installation
[11:02] <k1l> skinnybo1: some channels need user registration with freenode. for help ask in #freenode
[11:04] <xCykrix> oh lol, well I set it up with ethernet, waiting for it to boot tatertots
[11:05] <xCykrix> crap I have to setup the eth0 >.>
[11:10] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:13] <xCykrix> tatertots, whats the package name for networkmanager?
[11:13] <xCykrix> thats not a valid package
[11:14] <xCykrix> oh network-manager
[11:14] <xCykrix> lol
[11:16] <tatertots> yeah that's it
[11:16] <tatertots> lol
[11:16] <xCykrix> installing
[11:17] <xCykrix> this thing is huge lol
[11:17] <xCykrix> tatertots, its done installing now
[11:19] <tatertots> xCykrix: you'll need to connect to you wlan in terminal.....if you are unsure how to go about that ...i can PM you some wiki material
[11:20] <xCykrix> Yeah, no clue lol
[11:23] <xCykrix> tatertots, if you could dm me those or help explain that'd be appriciated :)
[11:23] <tatertots> xCykrix: or i'm sure some other here can point you to some ubuntu "branded" wiki material on the discipline/subject matter....you might ask for the ubuntu branded stuff explicitly first...these guys like to ban people for posting non ubuntu brand material as a reference for newbies...it gets all political around here if you do stuff like that...but if you don't get any responses just pm me
[11:25] <xCykrix> I'm sure I could find stuff on google with it
[11:26] <k1l> !pm
[11:30] <xCykrix> tatertots, thanks, I found what I needed on google :)
[11:30] <tatertots> xCykrix: yeah you should be able to find it via a search engine
[11:30] <xCykrix> I have connection via 10.0.0.16 now
[11:30] <tatertots> xCykrix: good job...
[11:30] <xCykrix> now the real question is, will it save
[11:31] <xCykrix> did a reboot
[11:32] <xCykrix> eyy
[11:32] <xCykrix> it does
[11:32] <xCykrix> :D
[11:32] <xCykrix> <3 much appriciated
[11:32] <tatertots> xCykrix: sweet!
[11:32] <tatertots> xCykrix: no problemo
[11:36] <xCykrix> crap lol
[11:36] <xCykrix> I forgot to remove the dhcp on ethernet
[11:36] <xCykrix> now its making me wait 5 mins for it to fail
[11:36] <xCykrix> :\
[11:39] <Nilesh_> is there any package to install TensorFlow on ubuntu?
[11:39] <Nilesh_> apt-cache didn't return anything
[11:40] <tatertots> Nilesh_: have you consulted the software vendor's website?
[11:40] <Nilesh_> tatertots: no....whom should I consult to?
[11:41] <xCykrix> https://www.tensorflow.org/install/install_linux
[11:41] <xCykrix> Nilesh_, ^
[11:42] <Nilesh_> xCykrix: tatertots Thanks a lot :)
[11:51] <Aliekezhi> hi, on unebootin, I can see an option "space to preserv files accross reboots, ubuntu only", is that option necessary for a working ubuntu boot on USB stick ?
[11:53] <MonkeyDust> Aliekezhi  no, i guess it's used for locales et al you entered
[11:54] <MonkeyDust> Aliekezhi  if it were needed, you wouldnt be able to uncheck it
[11:57] <Aliekezhi> MonkeyDust, ok, thx. By the way I can't repair my USB stick, maybe you would have an idea ? I used fsck.vfat several time, with -a option and then -wvr, but I still have an error message in dmesg telling me "please run fsck"... And unebootin blocked at 53% everytime...Any idea ?
[12:16] <sugar> ciao a tutto il canale
[12:22] <clissold345> !italian | sugar
[12:45] <Butter> is it possible to disable browser grouping in ubuntu taskbar
[12:45] <Butter> ??
[12:52] <koleygr> Butter, I found in google that alt+button above tab switches between windows of one app
[12:52] <koleygr> I am not sure if this helps
[12:52] <bluewater1980> Hello, anyone using mozilla syncserver on the own server?
[12:53] <Butter> I know you can disable grouping with alt+tab using compiz, but its possible to disable grouping like you can do it in window 7/8/10 that not every task in taskbar starts to group
[12:57] <koleygr> Butter, ... sorry... I can not find a way... wait for someone else
[12:58] <clissold345> Butter, Super + W shows windows with no grouping. Is that any use?
[12:59] <Butter> super+w looks much better thanks
[13:05] <jeffy> f
[13:09] <aruns> How to resolve this dependency error for postgresql, is this a resident bug in this version or what--> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24071537/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/24071524/
[13:12] <k1l> aruns: run sudo apt update. then please run "apt policy libpq-dev libpq5 postgresql-contrib" and show that in a paste
[13:16] <aruns> k1l, For update: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24071570/ ; for apt-policy :http://paste.ubuntu.com/24071575/
[13:17] <k1l> aruns: make sure the -security and the -updates repos are enabled in system settings > software and updates
[13:26] <bluewater1980> Has anyone setup an meozilla sync server ?
[13:27] <kevy0> Hi , is there a way to add a browser when I use sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser ?
[13:28] <kevy0> I try to use a different Browser then the ones displayed
[13:31] <Apachez> whats the status of libreoffice not being able to open (or save) files on network shares in ubuntu? seems like libreoffice 5.3 still have this malfunction while other apps works without problem on the same box and same networkshare
[13:31] <Apachez> somebody in here must have encountered this themselfs?
[13:32] <k1l> Apachez: that seems to be a libreoffice issue.
[13:32] <Apachez> yes but at the same time it seems to be working in other distros
[13:33] <k1l> !bug
[13:34] <ravagetalon> I gave up on libreoffice long ago. Thankfully work provides MS office via RDP when I *do* need it.
[13:39] <kang0> System image contains device drivers?
[13:49] <Apachez> how come you cannot drag and drop to gvfs-mounts ?
[13:49] <Apachez> while ctrl+c ctrl+v works
[13:57] <RonWhoCares> My Ubuntu 16.10 froze. Successful reboot.  The color scheme for the top menu (with date - time on the right) and the menu's has changed.  How do I get it back
[14:17] <Th3_ghost> Hello
[14:18] <RonWhoCares> hi
[14:19] <Th3_ghost> what version of ubuntu are u using?
[14:19] <RonWhoCares> 16.10
[14:23] <rdata> RonWhoCare:has the colour scheme changed for all your windows as well?
[14:23] <RonWhoCares> yes
[14:24] <rdata> have you tried the appearence menu from the dash?
[14:25] <rdata> you can change the theme in there
[14:26] <HoloIRCUser4> Hello
[14:26] <RonWhoCares> I will look
[14:27] <Th3_ghost> HoloIRCUser4: hi
[14:28] <HoloIRCUser4> It's my first time since years
[14:28] <HoloIRCUser4> On Oct
[14:29] <HoloIRCUser4> On irc
[14:29] <Th3_ghost> I'm new to this :D
[14:31] <HoloIRCUser4> Th3_ghost: where do you from ?
[14:31] <Th3_ghost> Bulgaria
[14:31] <Th3_ghost> and u?
[14:32] <HoloIRCUser4> Th3_ghost: France
[14:32] <Th3_ghost> HoloIRCUser4: nice :)
[14:32] <HoloIRCUser4> Th3_ghost: what are u doing in Bulgaria ?
[14:35] <guest123> hello.. i was reading "the linux command line" from "William E. Shotts, Jr." and Im asking me why i kan't acces my virtual consoles on "ctrl+alt+f1" what is the regular username login of a machine?
[14:36] <Th3_ghost> guest123: try with f2,f3, etc
[14:36] <bekks> guest123: the regular username is the one you are using regularly, its different for everyone, since its configured upon installation.
[14:37] <guest123> @th3:ghost @bekks also the same as in the terminal? because i tried but is not workng as username
[14:37] <guest123> also name@name
[14:41] <guest123> i simply don't know username of an ubuntu computer.. is it the name@name? i tried but have no acces to the virtual consoles on ctrl+alt+f1
[14:42] <Th3_ghost> guest123: You have to enter username that you create at install process
[14:43] <Th3_ghost> guest123: for example if you have user:guest123 . You have to enter guest123 and after that to enter password
[14:44] <guest123> also at system preferences-dettail name
[14:44] <guest123> but i tried
[14:44] <guest123> wont work :\
[14:44] <bekks> guest123: What does it say when you try?
[14:44] <mvvvv> guest123, in a term launch : whoami
[14:44] <guest123> login failure o someting
[14:45] <bekks> guest123: What exactly does it say?
[14:45] <guest123> nice mvvvv!!
[14:45] <guest123> i have a name
[14:45] <guest123> i will try it
[14:45] <guest123> it is because
[14:45] <guest123> on dettail i get name-pc
[14:45] <guest123> i need onli name
[14:45] <bekks> thats the name of your computer, not a user name.
[14:46] <guest123> i give it a try
[14:46] <bluewater80> Anyone using mozillasyncserver?
[14:46] <guest123> thank you all i get access!.. but ho i logout? XD
[14:47] <bekks> guest123: type: exit
[14:47] <guest123> i typed logout! worked fine
[14:47] <guest123> thank you al
[14:52] <saitoh183> has anyone ever installed guacamole with mysql authenticationÉ
[14:52] <saitoh183> ?
[14:52] <bekks> saitoh183: I bet people did - but how does this poll help you?
[14:53] <saitoh183> i need some help cuz i cant get it to work
[14:53] <bekks> Define "cant get it to work" in detail please.
[14:54] <saitoh183> bekks: sec i will get the log...but what im gettings is a blank page when i try to open it in the web browser
[14:57] <saitoh183> log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24072094/
[14:58] <saitoh183> i followed the instructions on the guacamole site and also tried  https://www.chasewright.com/guacamole-with-mysql-on-ubuntu/
[14:58] <bekks> saitoh183: Seems like there is a driver missing, a module isnt loaded or something. Did you doublecheck that?
[14:59] <saitoh183> bekks: mysql-connector-java-5.1.40-bin.jar is in /etc/guacamole/lib
[15:00] <bekks> saitoh183: And all the other modules needed for a connection?
[15:00] <saitoh183> bekks: and guacamole-auth-jdbc-mysql-0.9.11-incubating.jar is in /etc/guacamole/extensions
[15:01] <bekks> saitoh183: did it work without mysql?
[15:01] <saitoh183> humm... i havent tried ...i think that is with the user-mapping.xml?
[15:01] <bekks> saitoh183: I never set that thing up.
[15:03] <saitoh183> bekks let me try without mysql
[15:07] <Apachez> is there some proper way to make /run/user/1000/gvfs accessable to root?
[15:08] <bekks> Apachez: why do you want root to access that?
[15:08] <Apachez> to workaround the libreoffice vs ubuntu bug
[15:09] <Apachez> gvfs-mount makes libreoffice able to read and write files of the networkshare
[15:09] <bekks> Which one?
[15:09] <Apachez> however it wants a password
[15:09] <Apachez> and I dont want the users to be forced to put in a password each time they start libreoffice
[15:09] <Apachez> so I was thinking if I could do something like       mount --bind /run/user/1000/gvfs/blalalbalba ~/Fileserver
[15:10] <Apachez> this way they access Fileserver in their homedir and wont have to add in a password
[15:10] <Apachez> because the /run/usr/1000/gvfs/blablala is already automounted through gigolo
[15:10] <Apachez> BUT  mount --bind can only be runned as root, no problem - add it as a system call during bootup
[15:11] <Apachez> HOWEVER the /run/user/1000/gvfs path is ONLY accessible to the user NOT the root
[15:11] <Apachez> d?????????  ? ?       ?         ?            ? gvfs
[15:11] <Apachez> which kind of sucks
[15:12] <Apachez> and gvfs doesnt seem to have a global config where I could enable/disable this behaviour
[15:12] <bekks> Why dont you properly mount the share (not using gvfs) and the users access it?
[15:12] <Apachez> because there is no mount.* for ftp
[15:12] <Apachez> so Im down to either using curlftpfs which libreoffice on ubuntu cannot access
[15:12] <bekks> I bet there is a ftpfs module :)
[15:12] <Apachez> or using gvfs-mount which libreoffice on ubuntu can access but its nagging the users about password after each reboot
[15:13] <Apachez> apt-cache search ftpfs
[15:13] <Apachez> curlftpfs - filesystem to access FTP hosts based on FUSE and cURL
[15:13] <Apachez> sbackup-plugins-fuse - Simple Backup Suite FUSE plugins
[15:13] <Apachez> doesnt seem like that
[15:13] <Apachez> above is 16.10 repos
[15:13] <bekks> And there's no chance of implementing NFS access to that share?
[15:13] <Apachez> noone would be happier than me if there would exist some mount.ftp to do this the proper way :)
[15:13] <Apachez> nope no nfs available
[15:14] <Apachez> sure I can use filezilla and all that but Im trying to make this userfriendly
[15:14] <Apachez> so it will just be a dir in the homedir for the user to open/save files in
[15:14] <Apachez> like ~/Fileserver
[15:14] <Apachez> using ln -s didnt help
[15:15] <bekks> I'm still wondering why you are using some ftp stuff for a user fileserver where they edit documents and such.
[15:16] <Apachez> because there is no samba etc
[15:16] <Apachez> only the ftp server
[15:16] <Apachez> and then I thought "how hard can it be" after I found the curlftpfs doing apt-cache search ftpfs
[15:17] <Apachez> but it seems like libreoffice in ubuntu is borked somehow (seems like its working in other distros so I bet theres some combo on libreoffice vs ubuntu)
[15:17] <Apachez> the previous workarounds only seems to be working for LO 4.1 and such
[15:17] <Apachez> ubuntu 16.10 uses LS 5.2
[15:17] <Apachez> this same malbehaviour exists when tested with LS 5.3 in ubuntu 16.10
[15:18] <Apachez> the problem is that LO refuse to open/save files on networkshares in ubuntu
[15:18] <Apachez> except for gvsf-mount obviously, but then it nags about password even if this share is already mounted through gigolo (who remembers password)
[15:18] <Apachez> so its like a neverending story :P
[15:27] <jayjo> I have my log files filling up my disk within weeks, and this is the third time this has happened. I'm beginning to feel uncomfortable using this machine for my primary production when it seems so unstable. Is there a way to prevent this log buildup, is this a known issue, or is there a patch? I beleive after reserach the initial times it has something to do with using an NVIDIA card
[15:29] <sruli> to fill a luks drive with /dev/zero is the same is filling it with /dev/urandom before formatting it as luks, correct?
[15:29] <Apachez> so I guess noone in here got any ideas on how to fix the permissions for that gvfs dir?
[15:29] <Apachez> sruli: not really but sure
[15:29] <alkisg> jayjo: what line is repeated in those log files? how big are they?
[15:29] <Apachez> sruli: idea of using urandom is to make it harder to identify what is encrypted and what isnt
[15:30] <alkisg> jayjo: you can configure rsyslog to delete them whenever you want; but it'd be better to solve the issue so that the app doesn't need to log gigabytes in the first place...
[15:30] <saitoh183> bekks: still there?
[15:30] <sruli> Apachez: and if i understand correctly, if i fill an encrypted drive with zeros those zeros will become encrypted so not really different to using urandom before encrypting it
[15:33] <jayjo> alkisg: actually, it appears the bloated files are in kern.log, and all of the files I can observe seem to be NetworkManager[990] <info>
[15:34] <weechat> test
[15:34] <alkisg> jayjo: how big are we talking about? gigabytes?
[15:34] <alkisg> Apachez: see second answer in http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/276153/mount-ftp-using-gvfs-at-the-command-line
[15:35] <alkisg> Apachez: then create a user that mounts that gvfs dir, and put all the users that you want them to access it, to the same group as that user
[15:35] <jayjo> alkisg: it looks like they get zipped each week, kern.log is 0, kern.log.1 is 14574, kern.log.2.gz is 969819687, kern.log.3.gz is 1557696677
[15:36] <alkisg> jayjo: and you can't see any specific pattern that is repeated in the big files?
[15:37] <Apachez> alkisg: tnx, ill give it a go
[15:37] <alkisg> Example,do you see network-manager thinking that you unplug/replug the network cable 100 times per second? That would be a bug to search for a solution, not the log size...
[15:37] <alkisg> jayjo: ^
[15:37] <saitoh183> So my guacamole works with usermapping but not with the mysql auth
[15:39] <jayjo> alkisg: OK thanks, youre right I'm not tackling this right. I'll do some more research and come back
[15:39] <warrshrike> i installed llvm-3.5 with apt-get
[15:39] <warrshrike> now I need to set LLVM_HOME variable
[15:39] <warrshrike> but i cant figure out where apt-get installed it
[15:39] <warrshrike> any idea?
[15:41] <MrHall> a
[15:49] <Afdal> looks like an update busted network manager again
[15:50] <Afdal> :/
[15:50] <Afdal> how do these get pushed into the stable repository?
[15:50] <Blakes5> Hey all. I'm trying to configure certificates for a openvpn server using https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenVPN#Generating_Certificates but I'm getting an error running this command ./pkitool --initca
[15:51] <Blakes5> Give me a sec and I'l get the error, it's lengthy
[15:51] <Blakes5> The error is error:0E065068:configuration file routines:STR_COPY:variable has no value:conf_def.c:584:line 145
[15:52] <Afdal> always at the worst time to deal with this garbage too
[15:52] <Blakes5> There appears to be bug reports going back as far as 14.04 on this error. But no solution?
[15:52] <romdum> Hello everyone
[15:53] <Th3_ghost> romdum: Hi
[15:54] <Afdal> Recent library update broke network manager on my laptop, not sure what to do here
[15:56] <fizi> ping
[15:56] <Afdal> Looking at the packages I installed yesterday and I only see linux-libc-dev, libservlet3.0-java, uno-libs3, and tcpdump at possible culprits
[15:57] <Afdal> as possible culprits*
[15:57] <mvvvv> Afdal, your wifi driver I guess ? there is an epidemic
[15:57] <Afdal> :(
[15:57] <Afdal> So it's not just me?
[15:58] <zerorax> I put ubuntu phone on my android
[15:58] <mvvvv> Afdal, did you update && upgrade to see if it's not an install problem ?
[15:58] <Afdal> good grief how does this stuff make it into the stable repository
[15:58] <zerorax> it's kinda cool, and kinda less intuitive than samsungs android ui
[15:58] <zerorax> but I like it overall
[15:58] <Afdal> I can't do anything of that sort mvvvv, my internet access on my laptop is completely dead
[15:58] <Afdal> also I'm on 14.04
[15:58] <mvvvv> Afdal, plug an ethernet cable to your box
[15:59] <Afdal> :/
[15:59] <zerorax> mvvvv, don't forget he needs to invert his rotational velocidenisty before he can pull this off
[15:59] <Th3_ghost> Afdal: Why so old version?
[15:59] <Afdal> because I don't want to deal with 16.04 problems at the moment
[16:00] <Th3_ghost> Afdal: what problems?
[16:00] <zerorax> incase you don't know the principal of rotational velocidensity, I'll show you this instructional video(it's a parody on hacking tutorials)
[16:00] <zerorax> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Kgr6DWZF1c
[16:00] <Afdal> Xubuntu 16.04 made some changes that upset me
[16:00] <zerorax> best youtube video i've watched in a year
[16:00] <Th3_ghost> ubuntu-gnome 16.04 works very good at my hp probook 450 g2
[16:00] <zerorax> totally a joke, if you were thinking it was serious and trying to learn to hack, it would make you so damn confused
[16:01] <Th3_ghost> better than 14.04
[16:01] <zerorax> old ubuntu is old
[16:02] <sruli> to fill a luks drive with /dev/zero is the same is filling it with /dev/urandom before formatting it as luks, correct?
[16:02] <zerorax> no... /dev/zero can leave detectable traces, you should do 3+ passes of random if you're worried. i like to use DBAN with twister for a PRNG and a 5 pass wipe if I have the time
[16:03] <zerorax> but I can be a little paranoid, just know that one pass of zeros is not safe
[16:04] <Afdal> okay how do I hold a package back again while using update && upgrade mvvvv
[16:04] <Afdal> there's one package I really don't want to update right now
[16:04] <mvvvv> Afdal, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrede
[16:04] <alkisg> Afdal: man apt-mark => check for hold
[16:04] <Afdal> got an ethernet connection working btw
[16:05] <mvvvv> Afdal, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[16:06] <DJones> !pinning | Afdal This sounds like what you need for that package
[16:08] <Afshaal> so...  apt-mark hold firefox && apt-get upgrade?
[16:08] <mvvvv> no Afshaal
[16:09] <Afshaal> that's not how you hold back an update properly?
[16:09] <mvvvv> sudo apt-mark  hold Your Package
[16:09] <Afshaal> yeah
[16:09] <Afshaal> and then I can apt-get update and upgrade without fear?
[16:09] <mvvvv> then update && upgrade
[16:09] <L0g4nAd4ms> Hi, i got some problem with my ethernet connection suddenly, after the login it takes like 30 seconds for network manager to say "it has connected", but i got only then an ipv6 address (according to ifconfig) and can not access the internet
[16:09] <Afshaal> :)
[16:10] <Afshaal> package modemmanager huh
[16:10] <Afshaal> I hope this fixed it :/
[16:10] <Afshaal> fixes*
[16:11] <mvvvv> Afshaal, to test wifi : just unplug ethernet cable
[16:12] <Afshaal> oh jeez
[16:12] <Afshaal> you know what
[16:12] <Afshaal> I had my wireless button switched off -__________-
[16:12] <Afshaal> how embarrassing ;_;
[16:13] <mvvvv> :p
[16:13] <Afshaal> wellll you're off the hook this time Canonical
[16:13] <Afshaal> I still don't appreciate the Opus audio codec being messed up recently however
[16:13] <Afshaal> that still isn't fixed
[16:13] <motoman> hi everyone, have a good day
[16:22] <sai_> hello
[16:22] <sai_> yes i have joined
[16:26] <bunchies> this is my first backup im making since installation yesterday. ive added a bunch of stuff in my home folder so just exclude those DIRs only in my root backup correct? or can i exclude more just to have something with apps to restore from
[16:26] <bunchies> is /home even needed for a backup?
[16:26] <bunchies> and also, if i wanted to install another ubuntu could i just format the / /boot and /var then remount and install?
[16:31] <SchrodingersScat> bunchies: that's up to you, what data you consider valuable.  On desktop machines I do normally grab /home/, because all other data can be reinstalled/duplicated, but my user data may not.  If you have a different structure, some other place you put important data, then of course adjust as needed.
[16:33] <bunchies> SchrodingersScat, well this backup would be just for me to keep on the external if i ever just want a fresh install with a few apps
[16:33] <bunchies> all images and videos will be backed up separately
[16:34] <egotrip> hello. folks
[16:34] <bunchies> hello
[16:34] <egotrip> I have a few questions..
[16:35] <tatertots> answer is 42 to all of them
[16:35] <SchrodingersScat> we have few answers
[16:35] <bunchies> LUE
[16:35] <egotrip> tatertots: You are now my hero
[16:35] <bunchies> Life, the Universe and Everything
[16:36] <bunchies> SchrodingersScat, this would just be a system backup all of my personal files are taken care of
[16:36] <egotrip> I run Ubuntu, and boot into cli, Now and then i need to start window manager. (unity) to do some work, What i want, is a lightweight window to run web-browser and such, but still have unity.
[16:37] <SchrodingersScat> bunchies: what software were you considering using for the backup?
[16:37] <bunchies> so all the media at /home doesnt need backup
[16:37] <bunchies> dejadup
[16:38] <bunchies> but only because thats the one im aware of
[16:38] <SchrodingersScat> note: I've never tried to do a system recovery using the duplicity backend, I normally do a fresh install then import what I needed from backup
[16:39] <bunchies> i was thinking about that too but it would still be nice to have an early restore point
[16:40] <bunchies> im a n00b and may go through a few installs before i stop breaking shit :P
[16:41] <BlueShark> try installing archlinux and come here again :p
[16:43] <alkisg> egotrip: you want unity and you want something light? those don't match... :)
[16:44] <egotrip> alkisg: i want BOTH :)
[16:44] <egotrip> alkisg: I want a lightweight windows for simple tasks, and boot up unity when i need more
[16:44] <alkisg> egotrip: well, unity needs a lot of dependencies to run, so you can't have that :D
[16:45] <Guest88144> Hi everybody. I'm new to Ubuntu. No idea of how can I access to control panel
[16:45] <alkisg> egotrip: well, then just also install openbox or something
[16:45] <Guest88144> to uninstall programs
[16:46] <egotrip> alkisg: there are no problems having 2 window managers installed, and start one or another when needed?
[16:46] <nicolas__> slt
[16:46] <alkisg> egotrip: nah, it's ok
[16:47] <nicolas__> do you speak french ?
[16:47] <egotrip> no
[16:47] <alkisg> !fr
[16:47] <nicolas__> ok
[16:47] <egotrip> alkisg: i will do some research.
[16:49] <egotrip> alkisg: i tried installing openbox earlier, but I have a highresolution screen, so the windows was really small, and i didn't have any config menus. I guess there is some start arguments or config files to fiddle with
[16:50] <alkisg> egotrip: I think you don't know what you want. Light or full desktop? If you want light, it's light :)
[16:50] <alkisg> egotrip: what do you think openbox will save you, 300 mb ram? how much ram do you have?
[16:50] <bunchies> BlueShark, i understand where im at in my understanding of linux and that's ok i just started playing around last wednesday and last friday i stopped booting windows, last night i whiped windows completely. i want to learn so i'll get there :P
[16:51] <Apachez> some debugging regarding libreoffice vs curlftpfs using ubuntu: http://pastebin.com/7hS7eK1G  symptom: cannot open nor save files in libreoffice when using network share, gedit however works
[16:51] <egotrip> alkisg: I know what I want, I want a lightweight windows for simple tasks. ;)
[16:51] <ioria> egotrip, try fluxbox, it's more 'human'
[16:52] <ioria> !info fluxbox
[16:53] <egotrip> ioria: fluxbox. might do the trick. Hoping it will work alongside unity.
[16:53] <egotrip> ioria: not at the same time. but on demand :P
[16:53] <ioria> egotrip, guess so
[16:54] <egotrip> ioria: i will do some research on fluxbox
[16:55] <ioria> egotrip, btw,   with openbox  you can install tilt2, so you'll have a taskbar
[16:55] <ioria> egotrip, sy, i mean tint2
[16:57] <egotrip> ioria: oh (i am noting the tips)
[16:57] <saitoh183> anyone have experience with installing guacamole with mysql(mariaDB) authentication? all im getting is a blank page when i navigate to the url. log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24072094/
[16:57] <saitoh183> bekks: mysql-connector-java-5.1.40-bin.jar is in /etc/guacamole/lib
[16:58] <saitoh183> and guacamole-auth-jdbc-mysql-0.9.11-incubating.jar is in /etc/guacamole/extensions
[16:58] <saitoh183> i followed the instructions on the guacamole site and also tried  https://www.chasewright.com/guacamole-with-mysql-on-ubuntu/
[16:58] <egotrip> ioria: i have to google some stuff when I am back in unity later.
[17:01] <will> .
[17:01] <will> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24072755/
[17:05] <will> i broke my X http://paste.ubuntu.com/24072755/
[17:06] <feep[ub]> hi, I have a _weird_ problem
[17:06] <feep[ub]> I have a system with both nvidia and intel graphics
[17:07] <ioria> will, how did you break it ?
[17:07] <feep[ub]> I want to force intel glx/mesa rendering when starting X, I don't want it to probe nvidia at all
[17:07] <feep[ub]> but I _don't_ want to remove nvidia
[17:07] <feep[ub]> cause I still need it for cuda, I just don't want xorg touching it.
[17:07] <feep[ub]> any ideas?
[17:08] <Apachez> how do I locate older versions of deb files for a specific app in ubuntu?
[17:08] <will> nomodesetup on grub effed my ubuntu resolution.  i took it off still messed up.  display wouldnt work, and failsafe isnt fixing it
[17:08] <feep[ub]> on gentoo, I can switch the opengl provider to mesa. I don't know how to do this on ubuntu.
[17:09] <ioria> will,  sudo lshw -c Video
[17:12] <_pepe> Hey all, it appears the recent update borked something. Ubuntu 16.04 Mate. After update when I login to a session the mouse freezes and the LEDs over my numpad flash. I can get into a guest session though but can'tr connect to wifi. Grub shows 4 items, a "-", kernel 4.4.0-59 Recovery, 4.4.0-57, and 4.4.0-57 recovery. Any ideas?
[17:13] <ioria> _pepe, recent update?  current kernel is 4.4.0-64
[17:13] <_pepe> Todays, is 16.04 behind?
[17:14] <ioria> _pepe,  maybe open a terminal ans run  sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[17:14] <ioria> !info linux-generic xenial | _pepe
[17:15] <Guy1524> hey guys, I have mesa 12.0.6 installed on 16.04.2 on haswell integrated graphics, yet the max OGL version is 3.3
[17:15] <Guy1524> how can I get it up to 4.1 at least
[17:15] <feep[ub]> gonna try just deleting the relevant libglx and xorg module
[17:15] <feep[ub]> I really don't care at all about hwaccel on the desktop, it's gonna be slow with cuda anyways
[17:16] <feep[ub]> here goes!
[17:17] <will> ioria: *display UNCLAIMED description: VGA compatable controller product Kaveri [Radeo R6 Gragpics] vendor AMD/ATI wideth 64 bits clock 33mhz capabilities upon requesttt
[17:17] <Guy1524> I thought that intel had openGL 4 support in mesa 12.0.6
[17:17] <ioria> will,  please, paste the output on paste.ubuntu.com or use pastebinit
[17:19] <tatertots> Guy1524: install hardware that supports 4.1
[17:20] <Guy1524> tatertots: haswell integrated graphics doesn't support 4.1?
[17:20] <tatertots> Guy1524: install hardware that it's software supports supports 4.1
[17:20] <Guy1524> just found this: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-Haswell-GL4-Flipped-On
[17:20] <will> ioria: http://pastebin.com/GT23Jq4s
[17:21] <ioria> will,  i'am sure R 6 is supported by the opensource driver in 16.04 ....
[17:21] <ioria> will,  cat /etc/issue
[17:22] <will> Ubuntu 16.04.02 LTS \m \1
[17:22] <ioria> will,  dmesg | grep Kernel
[17:23] <Guy1524> figured it out
[17:23] <Guy1524> opengl 4.5 support for haswell doesn't come until mesa 17
[17:23] <Guy1524> what would you guys say is the best way to get to mesa 17 stabily on 16.04.2
[17:25] <Spartacurse> ELI5: what is the system group named "input"?
[17:25] <k1l> Guy1524: use 17.04, that will get mesa 17
[17:25] <Krissman> any sexy girls here, that would like to chat with a lovely 33 years old estonian male? my webpage: web.zone.ee/kristjanrobam
[17:25] <sadboy98_> Hey everybody :D
[17:25] <k1l> Krissman: this channel is technical support only. better try in ##chat
[17:25] <Guy1524> k1l: you think I should upgrade to 17.04 just for the graphics stack?
[17:26] <sadboy98_> What's is the best VPN Client for Ubuntu ?
[17:26] <Guy1524> will 16.04.3 have mesa 17?
[17:26] <Krissman> right
[17:26] <tatertots> lol
[17:26] <Krissman> i will go now there
[17:26] <will> http://pastebin.com/zx1YBqjG
[17:26] <will> sorry i have to type all these
[17:26] <k1l> Guy1524: i dont know why you want to upgrade the whole graphics stack. but 17.04 will ship mesa 17 and that will get backported to 16.04.3 maybe
[17:27] <Guy1524> if I use the oibaf ppa, do you think I will have major stability problems
[17:27] <ioria> will,  what happens if you remove nomodeset ?
[17:27] <k1l> Guy1524: 3rd party repos and pacakges and PPAs are out of the reach of the core ubuntu. so we cant tell you that its stable and give guarantees
[17:27] <Guy1524> ok then
[17:27] <Guy1524> thanks for the help
[17:27] <Guy1524> cya
[17:28] <k1l> Guy1524: if you want mesa17 now, then its your decision
[17:30] <will> ioria: thanks
[17:30] <will> ioria: i think that fixed it...weird i thought i took that out before but i must not have configured it after or soemthing
[17:30] <ioria> will,  ok ....
[17:36] <feep[ub]> okay, now I have no software accel despite the fact that I really should have, but no big deal
[17:36] <feep[ub]> nvidia still works, and that's the important part
[17:36] <feep[ub]> ah crud, nevermind, this doesn't work
[17:37] <feep[ub]> I can't start blender cause it expects glx, I really need software rendering.
[17:37] <feep[ub]> maybe I can turn this around, remove nvidia and install it manually from nvidia's download?
[17:37] <feep[ub]> so ubuntu doesn't know it's there
[17:37] <feep[ub]> stealth nvidai
[17:37] <feep[ub]> ia*
[17:38] <feep[ub]> hm, does ubuntu have any way to install _just_ the kernel module?
[17:41] <feep[ub]> ah great, I can't install cuda without having the nvidia driver
[17:41] <feep[ub]> is there any way to fake ubuntu out, like, "trust me, I already have that package installed, you do not need to concern yourself with it"
[17:41] <feep[ub]> "especially definitely do not configure it or use it to satisfy any alternatives"
[17:41] <feep[ub]> I can just install the cuda sdk manually too, it's just a bit annoying
[17:49] <tatertots> feep[ub]: open terminal
[17:50] <feep[ub]> terminal open
[17:50] <tatertots> feep[ub]: in terminal>        sudo apt install inxi
[17:50] <tatertots> feep[ub]: let me know when it's done
[17:50] <feep[ub]> fwiw I've found update-alternatives in the meantime
[17:51] <feep[ub]> and apparently I can just force libgl to mesa
[17:51] <feep[ub]> not sure if that works for xorg yet
[17:51] <feep[ub]> yeah it's done
[17:51] <tatertots> feep[ub]: in terminal>        inxi -Fxxrzc0|nc termbin.com 9999
[17:51] <tatertots> feep[ub]: press enter, share the url/link here, if you do not get a url/link say so
[17:52] <feep[ub]> tatertots: http://sprunge.us/VaGL
[17:53] <feep[ub]> the FAILED nvidia is from when I deleted nvidia so it doesn't use nvidia
[17:53] <feep[ub]> I like saying nvidia.     nvidia.
[17:54] <tatertots> feep[ub]: i would have asked you to run it as root....did you run this as root?
[17:54] <feep[ub]> I can .. why?
[17:54] <tatertots> feep[ub]: no don't
[17:54] <feep[ub]> too late http://sprunge.us/YjMD
[17:55] <feep[ub]> no difference except the graphics don't work at all, as expected
[17:55] <tammuz> Hi
[17:55] <feep> switching to here since I'm restarting my xorg
[17:56] <tatertots> feep: yeah graphics will be a mess .......as expected
[17:56] <tatertots> feep: yeah graphics will be a mess .......as expected..based off the looks of your inxi
[17:57] <feep> augh
[17:57] <feep> even in manual, it keeps resetting the gl_conf/egl_conf to nvidia
[17:57] <feep> why!
[17:58] <MrHall> hello how can i install an tcz app?
[17:58] <MrHall> im noob on linux
[17:58] <feep> is there any way to say "update-alternatives, I want you to lock it to that option, and keep it at that option, even if it errors, even if it crashes, even if it just looks wrong, I want you to just not mess with it"
[17:58] <tatertots> feep: from the inxi i'm looking at....don't expect to have a good experience graphics wise
[17:58] <feep> I assure you my expectations have been lowered into the basement.
[17:59] <MrHall> i say on console
[17:59] <k1l> MrHall: what is tcz?
[18:00] <MrHall> extension
[18:00] <tatertots> feep: i'm almost afraid to ask this but......what are you trying to accomplish exactly?
[18:00] <MrHall> program.tcz
[18:01] <feep> tatertots: I want to start xorg on the igpu, _only_ on the igpu, I want it to do _nothing_ involving nvidia
[18:01] <k1l> MrHall: do you mean the tiny core linux pacakges? they are not meant for ubuntu
[18:01] <feep> but I still want the nvidia kernel driver to be installed.
[18:01] <MrHall> ouuuh
[18:01] <feep> this is because I need to debug cuda kernels, and I can't do that when the gpu is used for display.
[18:01] <Dragon64> MrHall have you checked to see if ubuntu has same software?
[18:01] <k1l> feep: you can set it on the nvidia driver to use the intel card
[18:01] <MrHall> i want download minidwep someone know how can i install this?
[18:01] <MrHall> this and aircrack
[18:02] <MrHall> i dont want pay internet :)
[18:02] <k1l> MrHall: we cant support illegal things in here
[18:03] <MrHall> is for school project :S
[18:03] <feep> k1l: THANK YOU
[18:03] <Dragon64> if you want software for tinycore linux, why dont you run that instead?
[18:03] <feep> how does that work? is there a command line flag for it?
[18:04] <k1l> that doesnt change it. if you want to do research on wifi security, then do the research. if you only want to just get commands to hack another wifi, we cant help you
[18:04] <feep> like, how does that work internally
[18:05] <tatertots> feep: first acknowledge that nvidia driver is required there.....then see if you can get at least that far...this means you should be able to post a inxi that looks a heck of a lot better than the one you posted
[18:05] <k1l> feep: ubuntu uses nvidia-prime which is the official nvidia project to handle the hybrid video card setup. i dont know how that works exactly but the nvidia driver offers that setting.
[18:05] <feep> tatertots: it's okay, k1l fixed it
[18:05] <tatertots> feep: meaning NO failed=nvidia
[18:05] <mik__> Hello guys
[18:05] <hirnlager> hello girls and guxy and others :D
[18:05] <feep> k1l: *sweet*.
[18:06] <feep> k1l: thanks a bunch!
[18:06] <hirnlager> *guys
[18:06] <tatertots> feep: good deal...take care
[18:06] <feep> ~
[18:06] <feep> hm, let's see if blender can still use cuda
[18:07] <feep> hm, no it can't but I should be able to work that.
[18:08] <feep> just gotta make a folder that has the cuda libs but not the gl libs, then library_path it
[18:08] <cristian_> Hi
[18:08] <MrHall> someone know a channel about hacking?
[18:09] <hirnlager> hacking Oo hack your 127.0.0.1
[18:09] <feep> yup! there it goes, opengl from mesa but cuda from nvidia
[18:09] <feep> _perfect_.
[18:10] <DJones> MrHall: Hacking isn't a topic for this channel, or the freenode channel, please don't ask about it
[18:10] <DJones> s/freenode channel/freenode network/
[18:10] <Apachez> there we go curlftpfs 0.9.1 works with libreoffice in ubuntu due to how libreoffice opens files
[18:12] <feep> hm.. but blender still crashes with nvprof. damn.
[19:01] <Jonii> Is Ubuntu 16.10 known for memory leaks?
[19:01] <Jonii> Restarted computer, opened the same set of programs, and instead of 8gb RAM used, I'm now using 2gb
[19:02] <k1l> Jonii: ram is there to be used. free ram is waisted ram.  the problem is only if you need more ram than you got.
[19:03] <Jonii> But it's literally the same set of programs
[19:03] <k1l> Jonii: there is cache and buffers
[19:03] <k1l> and especially webbrowsers do use a lot of memory while using them.
[19:05] <k1l> Jonii: you can look at "free -h" and linuxatemyram.com
[19:06] <kjsdafhafweiugh> Anyone knows how to alter response in mitmproxy ?
[19:17] <gary> hello
[19:22] <slee> hi, today i noticed 2 new folders under /var/, /var/run and /var/lock(both are 'link to', anyone know what created them? i haven't installed anything recently
[19:23] <IonutVan_> I have a vps running Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS. Should I install mongodb and redis for production using the apt-get method (using default provided repos) or by downloading the packages from their website and installing them?
[19:24] <BluesKaj> use apt, IonutVan_
[19:24] <BluesKaj> no kernel update breakage that way
[19:24] <k1l> IonutVan_: when you use the ubuntu package managment you get updates and security fixes from ubuntu and its made working with ubuntu and the other ubuntu pacakges already
[19:25] <IonutVan_> I know but I am not sure if there is the latest stable version for the packages
[19:26] <BluesKaj> i can assure you itwill as stable and more so than an unsupported proprietary
[19:26] <IonutVan_> I also prefer to use apt-get, but was strange to me to see on mongodb website that they don't have any apt-get option
[19:26] <BluesKaj> it's not a repository
[19:26] <k1l> IonutVan_: you can have a look at packages.ubuntu.com for the versions shipped by ubuntu. but ubuntu doesnt update the version number after release
[19:27] <k1l> IonutVan_: if you isntall from someone others website, then its  your and their task to keep track of support and updates.
[19:27] <IonutVan_> so, this means that I will have an old version if I use apt-get, right?
[19:27] <IonutVan_> k1l, from apt-get or from mongodb site, no other sites
[19:28] <Bashing-om> !latest | IonutVan_
[19:28] <IonutVan_> ah, ok, thanks
[19:29] <k1l> IonutVan_: if you load from mongodb website, its your task and their task  to keep track of support and security updates.
[19:30] <IonutVan_> k1l, I understood, thanks a lot
[19:36] <io_elephant> Asked this in #xfce but everyone is sleeping. I want to change the workspace move left/right keyboard shortcut to Ctrl+Alt+> or Ctrl+Alt+<. In Session editor xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts, i cant figure out what the Property for "<" or ">" is.
[19:37] <io_elephant> nevermind, someone woke up ;)
[19:40] <remem> anybody have good link for tutorial configure postfix on server?
[19:43] <bekks> remem: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix
[19:43] <acer> ciao
[20:00] <Positron_> :)
[20:05] <Johnson1977> Can someone help me a sudoers file
[20:06] <Johnson1977> its just 2 users, but it says the file is invalid
[20:07] <remem> bekks: thx
[20:07] <remem> Johnson1977: what do u whant? add user to sudo?
[20:08] <Johnson1977> http://pastebin.com/TMBZzaGZ
[20:08] <Johnson1977> When i use the visudo -cf, it says problem at line 2
[20:08] <Johnson1977> I don't see any errors :(
[20:09] <remem> check (ALL:ALL)
[20:11] <Johnson1977> How you mean?
[20:11] <bekks> Johnson1977: So what does your line 2 looks like?
[20:11] <Johnson1977> http://pastebin.com/TMBZzaGZ
[20:11] <Johnson1977> thats the file
[20:13] <OerHeks> ehh, /usr/bin/ro  ??
[20:13] <Johnson1977> That exists
[20:13] <Johnson1977> its one of my files
[20:13] <k1l> that cant be all the file. there is a lot more in the sudoers file
[20:13] <alexandros> Is it possible to install any linux distro to any cheap android tablet?
[20:14] <k1l> alexandros: #linux for generic linux questions. this is ubuntu support
[20:14] <OerHeks> alexandros, no, not to 'any'... ARM6 is likely not to run ubuntu.
[20:14] <MonkeyDust> alexandros  sounds like you're a pioneer, nobody has ever tried
[20:14] <k1l> alexandros: and for ubuntu: not its not. there are no generic drivers for arm hardware.
[20:14] <alexandros> isnt debian for arm?
[20:15] <alexandros> its supposed to be for every architecture
[20:15] <k1l> alexandros: this is #ubuntu
[20:15] <Johnson1977> let me double check
[20:15] <OerHeks> ask #debian
[20:15] <remem> i dont get this
[20:16] <remem> if i whant isntall postfix i must read a book and configure 2h this
[20:16] <remem> nobody create easy script to install
[20:17] <k1l> remem: there is a reason not every average joe runs his own email server. there is a lot that can go wrong.
[20:17] <OerHeks> remem, mailservices are a no services like 'install & forget' it needs attention.
[20:17] <bekks> remem: For installing it: sudo apt install postfix
[20:17] <bekks> remem: For configuring it: read the link given ;)
[20:17] <remem> In simplification
[20:17] <remem> add domain
[20:17] <remem> add account
[20:18] <remem> and done
[20:18] <remem> hand create script to connect mysql table forwarding.. heh
[20:18] <bekks> remem: Thats not what the link tells you ;)
[20:18] <remem> XII w
[20:18] <remem> *XXIw
[20:18] <remem> :)
[20:18] <OerHeks> easy on the enter, remem
[20:18] <remem> bekks: true but i see another tutorial
[20:18] <remem> :)
[20:19] <bekks> remem: from what you just wrote, you want to do a quite complex setup, which is far more complex than just installing and configuring postfix.
[20:19] <remem> this link no work correcty for new architecture
[20:19] <bekks> remem: that link is perfect, it just dont fit your use case.
[20:19] <remem> bekks: i install postfix 5 years ago
[20:20] <bekks> remem: since you did not tell us that you want a mysql-backup virtual user setup.
[20:20] <remem> and nothing change, nothing script to configure
[20:20] <bekks> *backed
[20:20] <ioria> remem, you need virtual users ?
[20:21] <bekks> remem: you want this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixCompleteVirtualMailSystemHowto
[20:21] <remem> bekks: your link work when i fresh install ubuntu with 3.x kernel
[20:21] <bekks> And its quite a lot of work, and no, there is no magic autoconfigure script for that.
[20:21] <ioria> remem, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixVirtualMailBoxClamSmtpHowto
[20:21] <bekks> remem: And it did two days ago for setting up postfix on 16.04 for me.
[20:22] <ioria> remem,  you don't need sql
[20:22] <remem> auto script have many strengths, ex. check user have SSL, pam, correct DB
[20:22] <bekks> remem: So script it, and share it.
[20:22] <remem> ioria: and how u managment users and account?
[20:23] <ioria> remem, with that script... read the page
[20:23] <remem> bekks: maybe i do, but first i must configure own postfix
[20:23] <bekks> remem: Thats all done in the links given.
[20:24] <qzero> hi all
[20:24] <remem> yes, thanks a lot!
[20:25] <RedPenguin> anybody know what can constantly make a root partition fill up? I had 21GB free yesterday then examining /tmp nothing but it says totally full
[20:25] <RedPenguin> I moved Dropbox off the root and made sure nothing is storing large items on /root so I can't figure out where the space keeps going
[20:25] <RedPenguin> usually on a reboot the space is back but it was less than 1MB reported in tmp this time
[20:26] <remem> MBR, GPT?
[20:26] <bekks> RedPenguin: So check out: du -shx /*
[20:26] <bekks> RedPenguin: Totally irrelevant for the space usage issue :)
[20:27] <bekks> That question for MBR, GPT. ^
[20:27] <k1l> RedPenguin: look at /var/log if a error spams the logs
[20:28] <RedPenguin> just a reboot alone has 36GB free now
[20:28] <bekks> RedPenguin: Reboot kills little kitten ;)
[20:28] <tatertots> RedPenguin: baobab
[20:29] <ioria> ncdu
[20:30] <Apachez> nailed it regarding that case of when libreoffice in ubuntu cannot open files from network shares: https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/5wa5nx/cannot_opensave_files_on_networkshares_when_using/de8wv5l/
[20:31] <k1l> Apachez: can you file a bugreport to ubuntu/debian so that can be fixed?
[20:31] <RedPenguin> looking at my machine it says something happened around 2AM
[20:33] <RedPenguin> I think I see what may be doing it
[20:33] <RedPenguin> It seems mythtv has a cache in the home folder, I will have to see about moving the home folder off the root
[20:33] <RedPenguin> somehow home is 47GB which isn't making much sense to me
[20:33] <ioria> Apachez, i have no problem with samba ... what kind of NT shar e?
[20:34] <RedPenguin> I just gotta try and remember the steps to properly move the home folder
[20:34] <bekks> RedPenguin: Move the cache instead :P
[20:36] <RedPenguin> yea will have to look in to that, the home directory should be no means 47GB, I purposely put stuff that's large on another partition/drive
[20:40] <Apachez> ioria: ftp
[20:40] <Apachez> k1l: will do later next week
[20:40] <k1l> Apachez: thanks
[20:41] <Apachez> speaking with some libreoffice this is close to getting into a blame game :P
[20:41] <Apachez> libreoffice people
[20:41] <Apachez> since these errors seems to be located to ubuntu
[20:41] <Apachez> but at the same time other apps in ubuntu doesnt have this issue so meh :)
[20:44] <ioria> Apachez, no problem at all with sftp + nautilus
[20:46] <ioria> Apachez, you maybe need to change the format to .odt ... idk
[20:46] <Apachez> nope
[20:46] <Apachez> has nothing to do with the file itself
[20:47] <Apachez> its how libreoffice tries to open the file which curlftpfs doesnt support since 0.9.2
[20:48] <ioria> Apachez, never used curlftpfs, sorry
[20:52] <amazoniantoad> Does anyonee here have any experience with network bonding? I'm trying to accomplish this with several wifi dongles
[20:54] <shalok> How do I mute the volume from the command line?
[20:55] <shalok> I've been trying various amixer and pactl commands that I found on google but so far nothing works.
[20:56] <shalok> Also why are simple things always so difficult on linux? =)
[20:56] <amazoniantoad> shalok, ubuntu support is dead it seems
[20:57] <Apachez> k1l: any suggestion on where to file that bugreport?
[20:57] <Apachez> in the curlftpfs list?
[20:57] <k1l> !bug
[20:57] <Apachez> or libreoffice?
[20:57] <Apachez> I have reported bugs previously, just curious about where its supposed to be
[20:57] <k1l> Apachez: upstream? i guess libreoffice needs to fix that, or?
[20:58] <k1l> for ubuntu launchpad.net is the right place
[20:59] <gadgetguy__> So Iv'e been trying to recover information from a VM who's NFS mounted disk lost connection
[21:00] <gadgetguy__> Currently getting "Bad magic number in superblock while trying to open /dev/xvdb2
[21:00] <gadgetguy__> and then it says "Cloudn't find valid filesystem superblock
[21:05] <_28_ria> Hello. After restarting unity from cli, windows disappear, when you minimize them. How to rescan for existing windows?
[21:07] <OerHeks> _28_ria, alt + tab?
[21:09] <_28_ria> OerHeks: Of course, but it disappears. It doesn't show up on panel or alt+tab. I am saying: run 'unity' command from cli (to restart unity process). Then, after that, if you minimize any window. It disappears from alt+tab and panel, but it's still in the process (the process is still running).
[21:09] <OerHeks> what window exactly?
[21:09] <OerHeks> and why do you need to (re)start unity?
[21:11] <Emmarof> Hello
[21:11] <Emmarof> I have a problem
[21:11] <MMA_sparring> yeah houston - theres a prob
[21:12] <Butter> hey I have a problem with my usb stick when I try to copy something on it I get this error  "Error while copying to "32 GB Volume" The destination is read-only.
[21:12] <Emmarof> I want to format my disk in nfts from the terminal
[21:12] <Emmarof> How do I go about it?
[21:13] <MMA_sparring> Emmarof, really must to be in term? - fdisk will do
[21:13] <bekks> fdisk will not format whatsoever.
[21:13] <_28_ria> OerHeks: any GUI program's window, that you minimize (after the unity process is restarted, while program windows were open). Try yourself: Open some GUI programs, then, from the cli type 'unity'. It will restart the unity WM (I do it sometimes, so that I don't have to restart computer, if WM started to glitch after a long time running). Your unity will restart. All open windows stay intact.
[21:13] <bekks> fdisk creates partitions, not filesystems.
[21:13] <MMA_sparring> bekks, no?
[21:13] <embunpagi23_> Hello...
[21:14] <bekks> MMA_sparring: No.
[21:14] <OerHeks> _28_ria, no i won't do that. again, why do you need to (re)start unity?
[21:14] <_28_ria> OerHeks: Then, try to minimize any of them. After minimizing, try to restore the window, that you've just minimized.
[21:14] <k1l> Butter: look at "dmesg" if it was mounted read-only due to errors
[21:14] <_28_ria> OerHeks: I've just thurally explained to you in my previous message.
[21:14] <MMA_sparring> Emmarof, ok - my mistake - I think I messed stuff up cuz fdisk used to show filesystems and I believe it could
[21:14] <k1l> Emmarof: a data partition? or a system partition?
[21:15] <Butter> k1l wanna see output ?
[21:15] <bekks> MMA_sparring: fdisk does not show filesystems. It shows partition types. :)
[21:15] <_28_ria> OerHeks: I do it sometimes, so that I don't have to restart computer, if WM started to glitch after a long time running. ^^^Wrote it above.
[21:15] <ikonia> there is no way that should happen
[21:15] <OerHeks> _28_ria, i see. so you don't want to reboot, some glitches, and you ask about why windows disappear .. i have no answer to that than: reboot to start clean
[21:15] <pavlos> Emmarof, use fdisk to clean up partitions, crate a new one, then use mkfs.ntfs to format it
[21:16] <ikonia> running a window manager for a long time should not make it "glitch"
[21:16] <ikonia> restarting the desktop over a running desktop does not seem like a good idea
[21:16] <ikonia> I'd be looking at what the glitches are and why
[21:16] <OerHeks> ikonia +1
[21:16] <ikonia> rather than a bad hack
[21:16] <MMA_sparring> pavlos, yeaa! mkfs scripts
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[21:17] <pavlos> Emmarof, if you want to use gui, gparted will do all those steps
[21:18] <OerHeks> _28_ria, maybe it is time to run a memtest86 check
[21:18] <_28_ria> OerHeks: I am not asking about, why they disappear. I already understood, that they disappear, because of some but, that forgets open windows on unity restart. I was asking, if there is some utility, that will rescan all the windows, so, that all hidden windows reappear.
[21:18] <ikonia> _28_ria: why do they disapear ?
[21:18] <MMA_sparring> oops ..those are binaries - not script
[21:18] <_28_ria> ikonia: what's your perceptionof a long time?
[21:19] <ikonia> _28_ria: it doesn't matter,
[21:19] <ikonia> _28_ria: it shouldn't happen
[21:19] <ikonia> _28_ria: why do they disapear ?
[21:19] <MMA_sparring> 3 wrongs in a row  - im out
[21:19] <RedPenguin> yes it has to be the MythTV cache folder, it just keeps growing and growing as shows are recording, went from 1.8GB to 3.2GB in the blink of an eye
[21:20] <_28_ria> ikonia: Of course, it shouldn't happen!, but it happens. Must be some bug. You know, programs have bugs, periodically. and some workarounds. I am just asking, if there is some workaround for this problem.
[21:20] <ikonia> _28_ria: why do they disapear ?
[21:22] <RedPenguin> guess the best way to move since server has no setting is a symbolic link?
[21:22] <k1l> Butter: [ 1775.019532] EXT4-fs error (device sdc1): ext4_journal_check_start:56: Detected aborted journal
[21:22] <sergio_sokolov> hi all
[21:22] <seaholm> i have some problems connecting bluetooth headphones to my computer with ubuntu 16.10
[21:22] <sergio_sokolov> I just have installed linux mint 18.1 :)
[21:23] <k1l> Butter: fsck that filesystem on the usb
[21:23] <_28_ria> ikonia: I've already explained 3 times. : After the unity process is restarted, while program GUI windows were open, if you minimize them, they disappear from the panel and alt+tab, but the process is still running.
[21:23] <sergio_sokolov> Anybody use Hifiman HM-603 with linux?
[21:23] <ikonia> _28_ria: yes, and you said you understand why they dissapear
[21:24] <ikonia> _28_ria: why do they dissapear
[21:24] <Bashing-om> !mint | sergio_sokolov
[21:24] <ikonia> or are you expecting a window manager to track window status after a restart
[21:25] <_28_ria> ikonia: Of course, I expect it to track. The whole reason for restarting just the window manager without restarting the whole computer is, so that you don't have to reopen all the running programs.
[21:25] <ikonia> then you have failed
[21:25] <ikonia> if you are restarting a window manager it will lose track / state of the windows, because it is terminatiing
[21:25] <ikonia> and being restarted
[21:27] <sergio_sokolov> Boys, what are the best games for ubuntu? :)
[21:28] <rx-bad> hello
[21:28] <sergio_sokolov> hi
[21:28] <isene> Any idea when Ubuntu will package QtWebEngine?
[21:29] <k1l> !info QtWebEngine zesty
[21:29] <k1l> !info QtWebEngine-examples zesty
[21:30] <k1l> !info QtWebEngine5-examples zesty
[21:30] <k1l> isene: its pacakged for 17.04
[21:32] <sergio_sokolov> I have a question. Please advise how I shall install serviio?
[21:32] <k1l> sergio_sokolov: for mint questions better ask the mint support as already said
[21:33] <isene> k1l: Thanks
[21:33] <sergio_sokolov> I have Ubuntu on other laptop
[21:33] <_28_ria> ikonia: And the question was (that I've asked in the beginning): drum beat.......: is there some utility, that can rescan window processes, so, that they reappear on window list.
[21:33] <sergio_sokolov> So
[21:33] <sergio_sokolov> :)
[21:34] <mouse> my mouse is registering as /dev/input/js0 and my usb controller is registering as js1. how do I swap the two of them?
[21:35] <_28_ria> sergio_sokolov: I like 'ufo: alien invasion', 'supertuxkart' (it has funny old looking graphics, but, it's fun to play)
[21:35] <_28_ria> sergio_sokolov: hedgewars
[21:36] <MMA_sparring> HEDGEWARS!!!!!!
[21:38] <_28_ria> MMA_sparring: You like it too?
[21:38] <MMA_sparring> _28_ria, sure
[21:39] <MMA_sparring> _28_ria, cool sound track, funny characters, fun "ballistics" and cool toilet dump songs!
[21:39] <OerHeks> _28_ria, so you claim the processes are still running, but  restarting a window manager it will lose track / state of the windows, your command 'unity' is not normal behaviour. there is a reason why this happens. find the cause of these glitches.
[21:40] <OerHeks> memtest, fsck, update & reboot?
[21:41] <finex> hi
[21:42] <finex> can you use ubuntu mate for coding??
[21:42] <ikonia> yes
[21:42] <ikonia> you can use any linux distribution for "coding"
[21:42] <finex> graet
[21:42] <finex> thanks
[21:44] <finex> what is aq great termnal for coding??
[21:44] <ikonia> anyone
[21:44] <ikonia> they are all the same
[21:44] <ikonia> they display text in a window
[21:45] <finex> i meant programs like geany
[21:45] <ikonia> try some, see what you look
[21:45] <ikonia> like
[21:45] <finex> aders that look nice
[21:45] <bekks> thats eye-candy, not coding.
[21:46] <finex> sorry eye-candy
[21:46] <ikonia> ?
[21:46] <ikonia> finex: lets try again, what is your question
[21:46] <finex> i didn't understand
[21:47] <ikonia> so what is your question then ?
[21:47] <OerHeks> !ide
[21:47] <pavlos> finex, you can use ANY linux for coding, ANY terminal for coding, you have choice.
[21:47] <finex> what is a great eye_candy program
[21:47] <TomTomTosch> you want an IDE? i like IntelliJ products.
[21:47] <ikonia> a great eyecandy program ?
[21:47] <ikonia> what does that even mean
[21:47]  * OerHeks likes wobbly-windows
[21:48] <_28_ria> sergio_sokolov: '0 A.D.', 'AssaultCube', 'Blood Frontier', 'hex-a-hop', 'Nether Earth',  'Nexuiz', 'Neverputt', 'Cuby', 'Red Eclipse', 'Sauerbraten', 'Ri-li', 'Simutrans', 'Violetland', 'Warsaw', 'Warzone 2100', 'Which Way is Up', 'Xonotic'. ...and, of course, you can always install 'Steam' for more games.
[21:49] <MMA_sparring> bye
[21:49] <finex> i men for putting codes and creating programs
[21:49] <k1l> finex: honestly: start using the standard tools. if you know you miss some features you can look for another program. but when beginning "coding" you will not see any difference
[21:49] <ikonia> finex: so you want an IDE for writing software ?
[21:50] <_28_ria> OerHeks: No, none of that. More, like, if you run some game. It screws up a window manager sometimes, which needs to be restarted after that, but games are not the only programs, that screw up window managers. Som other programs also do that.
[21:50] <finex> yep
[21:51] <ikonia> _28_ria: programs should not screw up the window manager
[21:51] <finex> a writing softwer
[21:51] <ikonia> finex: I suggest you do some basic research into the tools available on linux, then try them
[21:51] <ikonia> finex: see which ones meet your needs best
[21:51] <pavlos> finex, http://askubuntu.com/questions/48299/what-ides-are-available-for-ubuntu
[21:52] <finex> thanksw
[21:52] <_28_ria> ikonia: 1) eye candy: pretty to look at. 2) shouldn't, but some of them do.
[21:53] <ikonia> _28_ria: I don't buy that, sorry,
[21:53] <ikonia> _28_ria: and again the solution is not to oddly restart the window manager over a running one
[21:55] <_28_ria> ikonia: unity command does not 'oddly' start the WM over the running one. It restarts it. It used to be: 'unity --replace', now they deprecated the '--replace' parameter and say, that 'unity' should be run by itself, without this parameter now.
[21:55] <OerHeks> _28_ria, so if you started: i play a game, it crashes and now my unity is not doing well, question the game?
[21:55] <ikonia> _28_ria: right, so thats terimiating and restarting over the top
[21:55] <ikonia> that is an odd approach
[21:55] <_28_ria> OerHeks: So, do you suggest, to edit game's code, when I have other things to do?
[21:58] <_28_ria> ikonia: yes, so what, the window processes are still in memory. There must be the way to scan the processes and find, which belong to windows, thus re-placing those windows back to the panel and alt+tab. P.S. Windows do appear on the panel and alt+tab until they are minimized.
[21:58] <ikonia> _28_ria: how are they still in memory
[21:58] <ikonia> you just killed the window manager
[21:58] <ikonia> the window manager doesn't use a "state" file type technique
[21:59] <_28_ria> ikonia: Try to do this yourself, and you will see
[21:59] <ikonia> I'd be more concerned at why you have programs causing problems for your window manager
[21:59] <ikonia> see what ?
[21:59] <RedPenguin> I think I found a major cause of my space afterall
[21:59] <_28_ria> ikonia: That windows stay there and that they appear in alt+tab and on panel. That is: until you minimize them.
[22:00] <RedPenguin> I have an 18GB .xessions-errors.old file in /home
[22:00] <OerHeks> RedPenguin, good find
[22:00] <ikonia> _28_ria: they are running processes, so they should be "aware" of them
[22:00] <finex> print "name file"
[22:00] <finex> filename = raw_input(">")
[22:00] <finex> print "we're going to erase %r" % filename
[22:00] <finex> print "opening the file...."
[22:00] <finex> '''this will open the file if it is exist
[22:00] <finex> if file does not exist it will create new file'''
[22:01] <k1l> RedPenguin: that is where errors from the gui login come to. see what error it is and if you can fix it
[22:01] <OerHeks> finex, don't paste like that
[22:01] <_28_ria> ikonia: I am concerned, but I am not knowledgeble enough to fix those problems in the code of those programs. Plus WM should be more sturdy to things like that.
[22:01] <finex> line_23 = raw_input("")
[22:01] <finex> line_24 = raw_input("")
[22:01] <finex> line_25 = raw_input("")
[22:01] <finex> line_26 = raw_input("")
[22:02] <ikonia> _28_ria: the window manager is sturdy
[22:02] <ikonia> finex: stop
[22:02] <RedPenguin> it keeps complaining "no a valid -min-max height" for most stuff
[22:02] <_28_ria> ikonia: no, it's not, if it cannot handle such simple thing.
[22:02] <ikonia> _28_ria: it can
[22:03] <ikonia> _28_ria: I never have to restart my window manager outside of the host
[22:03] <k1l> RedPenguin: details matter a lot. what ubuntu, what desktop?
[22:03] <_28_ria> ikonia: because, you, probably, turn off your comp every day.
[22:03] <RedPenguin> It's Mythbuntu 16.04
[22:03] <ikonia> _28_ria: no, I don't on these hosts
[22:05] <_28_ria> ikonia: Than, you don't always seat on them 'these hosts'. You just periodically go to them to do something and you don't run games on them or some unstable programs, that you can't replace with stable alternatives.
[22:05] <ikonia> _28_ria: no, they are in use 24x7
[22:12] <_28_ria> ikonia: But you chose not to say about running games or unstable programs on them :). I can also run desktops without using any unstable programs or overloading ram or running games on them 24x7 forever.
[22:12] <RedPenguin> wow, the file is flooded with an insane amount of the exact same python error
[22:12] <RedPenguin> well technically 2 of the same
[22:12] <de-jesuslover> hey guyz
[22:12] <RedPenguin> hey
[22:12] <de-jesuslover> anyone knows how to install any bible app on ubuntu mate
[22:13] <de-jesuslover> i have tried buh all the things failed
[22:13] <_28_ria> ikonia: If you put a person with immunodeficit in a bubble, he will also live a lot longer, than without a bubble. If you don't touch the burn, it will not hurt.
[22:13] <cfhowlett> de-jesuslover, look in the software center
[22:13] <ikonia> _28_ria: unstable programs ?
[22:13] <OerHeks> de-jesuslover, tons of them https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/search/?q=bible&op=
[22:13] <ikonia> what unstable programs,
[22:13] <_28_ria> ikonia: beta programs
[22:13] <k1l> de-jesuslover: what failed with what error?
[22:13] <de-jesuslover> ubuntu mate has a wierd software centre...
[22:14] <ikonia> _28_ria: I run beta software, yes
[22:14] <OerHeks> de-jesuslover, install synaptic, detailed softwarecenter
[22:14] <RedPenguin> odd when I google the python error, it comes up with a bug with Ubuntu and Kodi
[22:14] <_28_ria> ikonia: programs with graphics, windowing bugs
[22:14] <ikonia> _28_ria: you run programs with windowing bugs....but you're complaining that the window manager should be more sturdy
[22:15] <ikonia> _28_ria: and yes, I run graphical programs
[22:15] <_28_ria> ikonia: Yes, the window manager, should be more sturdy to overcome those bugs.
[22:15] <ikonia> _28_ria: no, it shouldn't
[22:15] <ikonia> the programs should not have bugs
[22:15] <k1l> RedPenguin: there is no sense in asking in here if you dont want to show the details. its like repeating "my car is broken"
[22:15] <OerHeks> _28_ria, when that happens, simply logout/login should do the trick to restore your unity clean
[22:15] <ikonia> you can't design a window manager to pre-emptively overcome unknown bugs that don't exist
[22:16] <ikonia> nor can you expect the window manager to be patched to fix bugs in individual software
[22:16] <RedPenguin> I keep getting this error
[22:16] <RedPenguin> http://dpaste.com/1C4N4YB
[22:17] <RedPenguin> When I google that exact error message I get tons of folks saying Kodi + 16.04 seems to be flooding their .xsession-error and other files with that error
[22:17] <de-jesuslover> JESUS is the way the truth and life
[22:17] <ikonia> de-jesuslover: don't start with that please
[22:17] <ikonia> ubuntu discussion only
[22:17] <cfhowlett> de-jesuslover, maybe, but this channel is not the place for that discussion
[22:18] <RedPenguin> looks like a Kodi forum member recommends a PPA as an outdated python-cryptography seems to be the issue
[22:19] <_28_ria> ikonia: but it's possible to fix the problem of forgetting windows on WM restart.
[22:19] <ikonia> _28_ria: no
[22:19] <ikonia> _28_ria: not in my view,
[22:20] <ikonia> you'd be better placed spending time reporting the bugs to the software vendors shipping the bug filled software and working with them to resolve it
[22:21] <benergy> Hey guys, I'm trying to configure the right-click menu of a cinnamon applet. Does anybody know where these settings are kept - or, at least, whether these menus are controlled by cinnamon, or nemo, or something else?
[22:21] <_28_ria> ikonia: and, we are not talking about unknown bugs. We are talking about common things, that programmers do, that incorrectly use full screen or graphical resource leakage, etc.
[22:22] <k1l> RedPenguin: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1636573
[22:22] <ikonia> _28_ria: so then it should be easy for them to fix if they are common known problems
[22:22] <k1l> RedPenguin: kodi seems to use unstable python stuff
[22:22] <RedPenguin> yea those are the bug reports I keep finding
[22:22] <RedPenguin> I seen a person say they had 200GB a day in logs due to the error and another 27GB
[22:23] <k1l> yes, that part of filling logs is already settled.
[22:23] <_28_ria> ikonia: report bugs to programs, but some programs are abandoned and there is no alternative. Plus WM, also should improve, not only programs.
[22:23] <RedPenguin> and I can swear Kodi was running when the drive filled up and crashed
[22:23] <ikonia> _28_ria: it sounds like you're making a problem out of it, rather than dealing it
[22:24] <ikonia> _28_ria: you said they where beta programs....now you say they are old programs that are abandond
[22:24] <yobagme> RedPenguin: Can you link us to that forum post? I get python errors flood my syslog file when I try and use PlexKodiConnect addon. Fills my root drive within an hour
[22:24] <ikonia> you say they are pre-release with bugs, now they are common known bugs
[22:24] <_28_ria> ikonia: Plus, many bugs take years to resolve, after you post a bug report.
[22:24] <k1l> yobagme: see my link
[22:24] <OerHeks> _28_ria, you know where to start now, it is not an ubuntu/unity issue .
[22:24] <ikonia> _28_ria: not if you work with the developers
[22:24] <yobagme> k1l: thanks. missed it
[22:24] <ikonia> _28_ria: and for something as crticial as desktop integration I'd imagine they would be keen to resolve it
[22:24] <ikonia> more so as you suggest you understand the problem
[22:25] <RedPenguin> yobagme: not sure it would be a great idea to follow the forum person because he suggests adding the 17.04 Repo to your 16.04 system which doesn't sound like a great idea
[22:25] <_28_ria> ikonia: I am saying various. I am giving you different possibilities, that can cause WM to become unstable.
[22:25] <ikonia> _28_ria: none of them seem reaslistic to me
[22:25] <RedPenguin> others have said they just took the python-crypto from 17.04 and insttalled them on 16.04
[22:25] <k1l> i strongly suggest to tell the mythubuntu/kodi guys to fix that mess
[22:25] <ikonia> _28_ria: and none of them justify the approach you are taking
[22:25] <yobagme> RedPenguin: yeah, definitely don't wanna do that
[22:26] <ikonia> _28_ria: none of them justify the attitude that ubuntu's window manager should handle this better, and it should remember window state after a restart
[22:26] <ikonia> your real answer is to fix / work with people to fix the problem software, or make better software selections
[22:27] <guest-lxUTY7> jhj
[22:27] <_28_ria> OerHeks: ikonia: There are several bugs, that I've reported, that are taking years to resolve, going back and forth with developers. Of all the bug reports, that I've posted, only 2 bugs got fixed. Meanwhile, I need to use those programs and a windows manager
[22:28] <ikonia> _28_ria: which bugs ?
[22:28] <ikonia> _28_ria: for which software ?
[22:28] <yobagme> k1l: it's not mythbuntu specific. I run ubuntu gnome 16.04 and get these python floods with kodi
[22:28] <tgm4883> sounds like a kodi problem
[22:28] <k1l> yobagme: it looks like its some gallery or such from them
[22:28] <_28_ria> ikonia: So, you are saying, that window manager should not improve
[22:29] <ikonia> _28_ria: the window manager is fine
[22:29] <RedPenguin> so I guess .xsessions-errors.old is probably deleted after a reboot or two right?
[22:29] <ikonia> _28_ria: it cannot dynamically counteract bugs in 3rd party software,
[22:29] <RedPenguin> I wonder if that explains why the space is freed up on a reboot
[22:29] <ikonia> _28_ria: your expectation is wrong, sorry
[22:29] <k1l> RedPenguin: its deleted after logout
[22:29] <RedPenguin> oh so that would explain the space returning on reboot
[22:30] <ikonia> _28_ria: you have a choice a.) look at resolving it properly b.) continue to be dissapointed with your current solution c.) start writing code for unity to track window sessions state to someone that can be picked up from a restart
[22:30] <ikonia> _28_ria: I suggest you pick one of those and focus on it
[22:30] <RedPenguin> and here I never thought to look at software like Kodi as it doesn't store anything on the system
[22:30] <RedPenguin> I mean doesn't store large files
[22:33] <_28_ria> ikonia: qemu, firefox, virtualbox. After conversing with you, I understood one thing. You like to argue. You don't suggest a solution. You just chat to waste time and argue. If somebody asks you a question, that is difficult, instead of saying. I don't know how how to do it, you just say: "No, it's impossible". Well, I believe, that nothing is impossible in computers,
[22:33] <_28_ria> ikonia: just nobody came up with the solution, yet.
[22:33] <ikonia> _28_ria: qemu is not a windowed software
[22:33] <ikonia> _28_ria: I don't like to argue, however I appreciate a realistic view point to start from
[22:33] <ikonia> _28_ria: firefox doesn't cause these problems for other people
[22:34] <ikonia> _28_ria: so again, I'd question what you are stating as a problem and again question your solution
[22:34] <ikonia> _28_ria: I also didn't say anything was impossible, I gave you 3 solutions pick one to focus on
[22:34] <_28_ria> ikonia: All I was asking was, is there a utility, that can rescan processes for lost windows, but you started demagogy.
[22:34] <OerHeks> ..
[22:35] <ikonia> _28_ria: "no"
[22:35] <grafdiffuzor> t
[22:35] <OerHeks> ikonia, shall we stop this running in circles? not worth the energy
[22:35] <_28_ria> ikonia: so what that qemu is not a window software. You've asked me, which programs I've postted bugs reports, that still didn't get resolved, I've answared. The question was not about, which GUI programs I've posted bugs to that didn't get resolved.
[22:36] <k1l> _28_ria: there is no such tool. that was answered long ago. if you dont like the answer that doesnt make that tool suddenly appear :/
[22:36] <Ben64> _28_ria: seems like it'd make more sense to fix the problem instead of wishing for a lame workaround?
[22:36] <ikonia> _28_ria: you're stating you have problems that you are using are causing window manager programs
[22:37] <ikonia> _28_ria: as quemu is not a windowed program, I'm not sure of your logic here
[22:37] <_28_ria> OerHeks: logout/login is not a solution, either, because it closes open windows.
[22:39] <_28_ria> ikonia: I was stating, that most of the posted bug reports take way too long to resolve, while I need to keep using those progs. You've asked me which progs I've posted bug reports long time ago, but didn't get bugs resolved yet. I've answered.
[22:39] <ikonia> _28_ria: I've had problems in qemu and kvm fixed within 8 days
[22:40] <ikonia> _28_ria: I disagree on the time it takes, if you work with people (yes sometimes it can take longer than you'd like due to complications)
[22:40] <_28_ria> ikonia: Maybe you've had some simple problems
[22:40] <ikonia> _28_ria: no, not really,
[22:40] <ikonia> quite complex, getting specific hardware emmulation into mainline branch to support mac OS for the hidden smc chip
[22:41] <ikonia> also changes to the e1000 emulation
[22:53] <sliddis> Hello I downloaded numix icon theme from github, put it in ~/.icons and then I can see both numix and numix light in unity tweak tool, but no icons change..?!
[22:54] <OerHeks> sliddis, logout/login might fix this?
[22:55] <OerHeks> sliddis, there is a PPA also, to install systemwide https://launchpad.net/~numix/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[22:57] <OerHeks> sliddis, if that does not work for you, see https://itsfoss.com/install-numix-ubuntu/ for the use of unity-tweak-tool
[23:02] <RedPenguin> looks like upgrade the two python packages in the bug report did for a fact work
[23:02] <RedPenguin> upgrading*
[23:05] <_pepe> Hi all, I'm having some issues after update, Ubuntu Mate 16.04. I get a freeze after login, desktop won't load, mouse doesn't move, keyboard flashes. The update log shows two kernels installed today, linux-headers-generic:amd64 (4.4.0.62.65, 4.4.0.64.68) etx. Could this cause an issue? Reverting to an older one in Grub works. I also have a grub issue...
[23:05] <k1l> _pepe: boot with the older kernel that works.
[23:06] <_pepe> Is this a known issue?
[23:06] <k1l> no
[23:06] <jeremy31> _pepe Check results from terminal for dpkg -l | grep linux-image to see if there is a linux-image-extra installed for the newer kernel versions
[23:06] <k1l> we need to look form the booting older kernel what went wrong. there are some things like full disk etc that break updates
[23:06] <_pepe> Currently, this leads to my grub issue- it only shows the bottom 3 entries of the list
[23:07] <_pepe> yeah I've gotten the full disk issue, that stops at download time usually
[23:07] <_pepe> OK
[23:07] <jeremy31> Have you installed another Linux distro?
[23:08] <_pepe> No
[23:08] <k1l> _pepe: so boot to the working kernel now please so we can work on that issue.
[23:08] <_pepe> I am already thanks
[23:09] <mattb_> hello
[23:09] <mattb_> how do I find the channel list again?
[23:09] <k1l> _pepe: "df -h | nc termbin.com 9999"
[23:09] <_pepe> Do you have a preferred place to paste code?
[23:09] <k1l> !alis | mattb_
[23:13] <_pepe> http://pastebin.com/vbvYGu9A are the last 2 lines
 _pepe: "df -h | nc termbin.com 9999"
[23:14] <_pepe> http://termbin.com/ckxc
[23:14] <_pepe> Looks like the extras are missing
[23:14] <k1l> uname -a?
[23:15] <k1l> "dpkg -l | grep linux-image | nc termbin.com 9999"
[23:15] <k1l> and "ls -al /boot | nc termbin.com 9999"
[23:15] <_pepe> http://termbin.com/4jw2
[23:16] <_pepe> http://termbin.com/cec9
[23:18] <_pepe> any ideas?
[23:18] <k1l> _pepe: uname -a?
[23:18] <k1l> "cat /var/log/apt/term.log | nc termbin.com 9999"
[23:19] <_pepe> 4.4.0-59-generic #80-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jan 6 17:47:47 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[23:19] <_pepe> That's probably what I am using now right?
[23:19] <k1l> uname -a shows the kernel in use, yes
[23:22] <_pepe> http://termbin.com/xi5g
[23:23] <_pepe> The bit at the very end is from me manually updating from terminal in an attempt to fix
[23:26] <k1l> _pepe: since when you have that issues?
[23:26] <_pepe> Since the update today
[23:26] <k1l> _pepe: is "linux-generic" package installed?
[23:27] <_pepe> yes, it's marked in synaptic
[23:27] <k1l> sudo apt install linux-generic
[23:28] <k1l> i dont see any error so far. so what is the grub issue you mentioned?
[23:28] <_pepe> I don't even see the extras package listed for 64.68
[23:29] <k1l> its installed
[23:29] <k1l> look at http://termbin.com/4jw2
[23:29] <k1l> and that is not the issue
[23:29] <_pepe> Grub is just displaying improperly, just a weird bug- I can scrool through the list but can't see the newest entries, graphics glitch or something
[23:29] <_pepe> No, just an annoyance
[23:31] <_pepe> linux-generic is already the newest version (4.4.0.64.68)
[23:31] <k1l> then run "sudo update-grub" and see if it makes any errors
[23:32] <_pepe> only the one warning from the log Warning: Setting GRUB_TIMEOUT to a non-zero value when GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT is set is no longer supported.
[23:33] <k1l> that is just a warning. doesnt break things
[23:33] <_pepe> everything else looks fine
[23:33] <k1l> there is no error so far. i guess you need to look at the old xorg logs from the last boot which didnt work
[23:33] <_pepe> Oddly enough I could use a guest account on the new kernel but couldn't connect to wifi
[23:34] <k1l> wait, its only your one user which didnt work?
[23:34] <_pepe> @ users with logins didn't, guest did
[23:34] <_pepe> 2 users
[23:34] <k1l> if the guest account works it doesnt look like a driver or hardware issue
[23:35] <_pepe> Is it possible to reinstall the last update?
[23:36] <Adie> I'm trying to boot the latest desktop iso from USB and this is as fast as I get https://i.adie.space/tqxpfc.jpg
[23:36] <Adie> what do I do
[23:36] <_pepe> I may just use an older kernel until the next update and hope it works
[23:36] <TomTomTo1> is it normal that universe and multiverse are enabled by default or did i do this in the installer and didn't notice? using the xenial server image.
[23:37] <azizLIGHT> i have encountered an issue while trying to upgrade to HWE stack, while on 14.04.5 x64 LTS: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24070775/ background info: i attempted to do the same HWE stack upgrade earlier but had xorg-edgers ppa installed and it replaced xorg packages with ppa versions instead of ubuntu repo, and it also ended up removing a bunch of packages. i fixed all of that with the help of eric and bashing-omm
[23:37] <azizLIGHT> and was able to restore all packges back to ubuntu repo versions, reinstallled all packages accidentally removed, ppa-purged all traces of xorg-edgers ppa, did ' sudo apt-get autoclean ; sudo apt-get autoremove ; sudo apt-get clean ; sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ; sudo apt -f install ; sudo dpkg --configure -a ; sudo dpkg -C ' successfully and was generally in a good spot that i thought i could
[23:37] <azizLIGHT> re-attempt the HWE stack upgrade. but now i have this above isssue in the pastebin where some packages have been removed, and some installed. how should i proceed? should i undo the HWE stack package installs and reinstall my packages with old versions? should i push forward and try to fully upgrade to HWE? i have not shut down my computer or rebooted since I attempted that command
[23:37] <k1l> _pepe: i guess you need to ask the mate guys what user settings need to be reset
[23:37] <k1l> _pepe: #ubuntu-mate
[23:37] <OerHeks> Adie, maybe nomodeset is your fix
[23:37] <OerHeks> !nomodeset
[23:37] <_pepe> OK, thanks for your time here, I learned some new things today anyway :)
[23:38] <OerHeks> Adie other solution:  if you have windows on that machine, disable fastboot?
[23:38] <MMA_sparring> OerHeks, cool
[23:39] <Adie> it's about time for me to get a new computer eek
[23:39] <ovidnis> how do i get this `setxkbmap` command to run on startup? i tried putting it in .profile but it didn't seem to do anything
[23:42] <Flannel> azizLIGHT: What about that pastebin makes you concerned?
[23:42] <habeeb> gitlab
[23:42] <azizLIGHT> Flannel: the fact that it didnt complete all intended installation
[23:43] <azizLIGHT> and now im in a limbo area with half xorg and no half xorg, if i reboot i probably wont get a gui
[23:43] <Flannel> azizLIGHT: oh, right.  I scrolled down and see that now.
[23:43] <smoores_> how to do i show the line containing the character at position N in file F?
[23:43] <Flannel> azizLIGHT: That's due to the fact that you're trying to install both the i386 *and* the amd64 package for libgl1-mesa-dri-lts-xenial... yadda yadda
[23:44] <k1l> azizLIGHT: it still got PPA stuff installed on your paste.
[23:44] <azizLIGHT> Flannel: well, the command is from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack for multiarch
[23:44] <azizLIGHT> k1l: what line number?
[23:45] <azizLIGHT> k1l: i get my graphics nvidia-358 from ppa: https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers
[23:46] <k1l> azizLIGHT: ah wait, the libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-xenial is from the trusty-updates repo.
[23:47] <k1l> azizLIGHT: use dpkg and force th install of /var/cache/apt/archives/libgl1-mesa-dri-lts-xenial_11.2.0-1ubuntu2~trusty1_amd64.deb
[23:48] <k1l> sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libgl1-mesa-dri-lts-xenial_11.2.0-1ubuntu2~trusty1_amd64.deb
[23:48] <azizLIGHT> trying it
[23:49] <k1l> after that run the install command again.
[23:49] <k1l> but i am leaving afk now, good lucl
[23:50] <azizLIGHT> k1l: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24075194/
[23:50] <azizLIGHT> oh
[23:50] <azizLIGHT> same error
[23:50] <azizLIGHT> or did it install
[23:50] <azizLIGHT> im not sure
[23:51] <azizLIGHT> looks like its installed, now gonna try the main HWE command again
[23:53] <azizLIGHT> attempted the HWE multiarch upgrade command and got this : http://paste.ubuntu.com/24075210/
[23:58] <MMA_sparring> bye