[00:55] <superfly> paddatrapper: ouch!
[06:01] <inetpro> good mornings everyone
[06:01] <inetpro> including Kilos even
[06:01] <inetpro> and superfly as well
[06:02] <inetpro> what did paddatrapper do now?
[06:03] <Kilos> morning inetpro superfly paddatrapper and  others
[06:03] <Kilos> raining hard here now
[06:04] <Kilos> frogboots really messed up
[06:04] <Kilos> connect car battery wrong way around
[06:04] <Kilos> maybe needs new glasses
[06:05]  * Kilos wonders where padroni is now
[06:05] <Kilos> Maaz seen padroni
[06:05] <Maaz> Kilos: padroni was last seen 1 year, 14 days, 19 hours, 29 minutes and 53 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-02-18 10:35:58 GMT], and has been offline on freenode since 2016-02-18 13:04:05 GMT
[06:05] <Kilos> holy moly
[06:34] <magespawn> good morning
[06:34] <paddatrapper> morning everyone
[06:35] <nsnzero> morning all
[06:35] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[06:35] <Maaz> nsnzero: By the way, theblazehen on freenode told me "tell nsnzero look at rsync, and how it get work with links. One of the ways must work for you" 10 hours, 53 minutes and 30 seconds ago
[06:35] <Kilos> hi nsnzero 
[06:35] <nsnzero> hi Kilos 
[06:47] <nsnzero> this plasma neon is working out great - but is really comes as a bare system
[06:49] <nsnzero> but kubuntu 17 is due in april with all the same features plus the extras if anyone planning on getting neon i suggest waiting for that
[06:56] <paddatrapper> Or Debian testing at the moment. Has what's in kubuntu and, thanks to freeze, stable enough to run nicely
[06:56] <paddatrapper> :)
[06:58] <chesedo-> morning inetpro Kilos Maaz magespawn paddatrapper nsnzero and all others
[06:59] <paddatrapper> morning chesedo- 
[07:10] <nsnzero> hi chesedo paddatrapper 
[07:10] <paddatrapper> hey nsnzero 
[07:46] <nsnzero> sorry paddatrapper - work but debian is great except they really test everything out throughly which delays things
[07:55] <nsnzero> hi smile 
[08:10] <thatgraemeguy> morning persons
[08:11] <nsnzero> Morning thatgraemeguy 
[08:11] <Kilos> hi chesedo thatgraemeguy 
[08:12] <Kilos> and smile
[08:12] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[08:12]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[08:12] <Kilos> sjoe major lag
[08:13] <nsnzero> Kilos: and i thought its my usual monday lag - > need a couple cups of coffee to get in the work mood
[08:14] <chesedo> Maaz: tea please
[08:14] <Maaz> As soon as the kettle boils chesedo I will pour boiling water into your cup if you have the tea bag in already
[08:14] <chesedo> morning thatgraemeguy
[08:16] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[08:20] <nsnzero> does anyone now the blue text color code used in  fedora's terminal ?
[08:29] <thatgraemeguy> screenshot it and use a coloour picker tool in something like gimp
[08:33] <nsnzero> thatgraemeguy: good tip thanks 
[08:41] <chesedo> nsnzero: also check the profile setting (in the terminal)
[08:43] <nsnzero> i am trying to mimic the fedora terminal - but to my dismay all google results shows white fonts so far
[09:05] <theblazehen> nsnzero /me is currently running 17.04, works great
[09:05] <theblazehen> Hi all
[09:06] <nsnzero> hi theblazehen 
[09:06] <nsnzero> theblazehen: do you have plasma 5.9 ?
[09:07] <theblazehen> That's the latest one right? Yeah
[09:07] <nsnzero> yip 
[09:07] <theblazehen> Yup. If you run the dev releases then you at least get the latest software
[09:09] <thatgraemeguy> mmmm I haven't done the KDE thing in a couple of years, perhaps its time for a fresh install for something different
[09:10] <Kilos> kde rocks thatgraemeguy just a bit heavy
[09:11] <nsnzero> the included apps makes it heavy - like the PIM suite 
[09:11] <theblazehen> thatgraemeguy tried https://lumina-desktop.org ? Quite decent
[09:11] <nsnzero> if you dont use kmail or kontacts removing the PIM takes a few seconds of boot time 
[09:14] <thatgraemeguy> yeah I use gmail, don't need that stuff
[09:17] <nsnzero> its quite snappy once it loads thatgraemeguy - bit high on memory take 125 megs and 100 megs shared memory and thats just the plasmashell
[09:17] <thatgraemeguy> mmm i think my laptop has 4GB
[09:18] <thatgraemeguy> oh no it has 8 apprently
[09:18] <nsnzero> thatgraemeguy: thats plenty to run plasma 
[09:19] <nsnzero> and a couple vm's
[09:19] <thatgraemeguy> I'll find some time to do a fresh install
[09:19] <thatgraemeguy> yeah it had 4 when I got it and I remember I asked our hardware guy for another 4 because I mess around with VMs every now and then and it was a bit painful with 4
[09:20] <thatgraemeguy> laptop about 3.5 years old already and still snappy, amazing what a difference ssd makes
[09:27] <nsnzero> i have a small netbook with mint on it - its an atom cpu with 512mb ram - works well  
[09:28] <andrewlsd_> nsnzero:  benefit of KDE Neon is that it is 16.04 (LTS) for OS, with latest KDE for GUI.
[09:28] <andrewlsd_> theblazehen: was it LXD on 17.04 that borked?
[09:29] <theblazehen> andrewlsd_ Dunno if latest version is released for 16.10 yet, but yes. Bugs are fixed now though
[09:29] <andrewlsd_> Hi thatgraemeguy nsnzero theblazehen Kilos squish102 smile paddatrapper nuvolari_ inetpro chesedo pavlushka :-)
[09:29] <nsnzero> greeting andrewlsd_ 
[09:30] <thatgraemeguy> 'lo
[09:30] <andrewlsd_> theblazehen: that is why I'm sticking to 16.04 for now.
[09:30] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd 
[09:31] <Kilos> andrewlsd you need to set ssl and sasl in your irc client
[09:31] <theblazehen> andrewlsd It should have been a stable release afaik, so you should have it?
[09:31] <andrewlsd> where are you seeing that?
[09:31] <andrewlsd> ie, Kilos how can you see that I'm not.
[09:31] <Kilos> what
[09:32] <Kilos> i see when you login you give your ip addy then change host
[09:32] <andrewlsd> ah, yes. 
[09:32]  * andrewlsd goes to look up SASL + freenode
[09:32] <Kilos> i gave the link here the other day
[09:34] <nsnzero> isnt the ip address shown is the ip of the router not your pc ?
[09:35] <nsnzero> all router have NAT enabled which maskes your actual ip 
[09:35] <andrewlsd> ^ done. set QuasselCore to use SASL.
[09:36] <theblazehen> andrewlsd damn, that lxd version is ancient. You're missing out on cool stuff
[09:36] <Kilos> yay
[09:41] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: `2.0.9-0ubunt amd64`  what am I missing out on?
[09:42] <theblazehen> andrewlsd The networking stuff, and the very new (heh) storage stuff
[09:42] <theblazehen> Some work on migration stuff a bit as well
[09:42] <nsnzero> ip4 protocol doesnt have enough unique addresses - so NAT was created - ip6 has enough addresses for all 
[09:42] <andrewlsd> theblazehen:  url?
[09:43] <andrewlsd> nsnzero: me likes ipv4. coz me can remember ipv4 addresses. and me likes hiding true IP behind other IP NAT.
[09:43] <andrewlsd> (but ipv6 has better multicast and security features too)
[09:43] <theblazehen> andrewlsd https://linuxcontainers.org/lxd/news/#lxd-29-release-announcement-15th-of-february-2017 https://linuxcontainers.org/lxd/news/#lxd-23-release-announcement-27th-of-september-2016
[09:43] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: I meant URL with news about newest LXD features. Thanks 
[09:44] <nsnzero> thats going to be a thing of the past once ip6 becomes mainstream - every thing that connects to the internet will have a unique address - like a phone number
[09:47] <nsnzero> andrewlsd: i know that because of the numbers of addresses and ports - port scanning will be near impossible 
[09:51] <paddatrapper> hi andrewlsd 
[09:53] <andrewlsd> \o paddatrapper
[09:56] <theblazehen> hi paddatrapper
[09:58] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: you using/going to be using  LXD + ceph? or LXD+ZFS or LXD+btrfs  or something else?
[09:58] <paddatrapper> hi theblazehen 
[09:58] <theblazehen> andrewlsd currently lxd + btrfs, might do ceph rather than mdadm+bcache+lvm on my iscsi target though
[09:59] <theblazehen> Maybe get around to writing a ceph lxd storage provider one day
[10:00] <theblazehen> andrewlsd https://github.com/lxc/lxd/issues/2875
[10:02] <theblazehen> Ceph looks kinda hard though :( And looks like it's not the most efficient with SSD caching, seems like it loads files into ssd cache then serves it if it's not already in the cache
[10:03] <theblazehen> And not sure how it would behave if I have a planned shutdown of some nodes and bring them back up (eg, reboot) if I have replication set to allow losing 1 disk etc
[10:11] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: yeah. using Ceph is more of an "attach volume" type use case for me, or allow some app running in LXD to retrieve object from ceph (which would not require a Ceph/LXD integration, as app would just be retrieving network-based storage object)
[10:13]  * andrewlsd has forgotten what that small lightweight S3-compatible object storage is called.
[10:13] <andrewlsd> it is minio.io
[10:13] <andrewlsd> I was looking for min.io
[10:14]  * andrewlsd wonders about ceph vs minio.io
[10:15] <chesedo> evening theblazehen andrewlsd
[10:15] <chesedo> well afternoon actually
[10:15] <andrewlsd> \o chesedo
[10:29] <theblazehen> hey chesedo
[10:29] <pavlushka> Hello andrewlsd 
[10:29] <andrewlsd> \o pavlushka
[10:33] <pavlushka> and howdy theblazehen :)
[10:33] <theblazehen> hey pavlushka
[10:34] <pavlushka> theblazehen: you use mysql-workbench on arch?
[10:35] <theblazehen> pavlushka I use http://dbeaver.jkiss.org/
[10:36]  * theblazehen really likes it
[10:37]  * pavlushka noticed the reason why :)
[10:38] <andrewlsd> thanks theblazehen. I had never seen dbeaver before.
[10:39] <pavlushka> andrewlsd: me neither, only seen beavers
[10:52] <andrewlsd> lol
[10:55] <inetpro> yikes! You guys talk too much :-)
[10:56] <inetpro> is it Friday?
[10:56] <nsnzero> lol 
[11:01]  * pavlushka quietly replies to inetpro "NO"
[11:20] <andrewlsd> ;-)
[11:22] <Kilos> hahahaaaaaa
[11:22] <theblazehen> Anyone got any storage recommendations? Need to use RAID 5/6 or erasure coding, and support SSD caching (writeback), all I need is for it to expose an iscsi target. If snapshots work well, then nice, otherwise it's not a big deal. Currently using mdadm + bcache + lvm + SCST
[11:22] <Kilos> at least its not me this time
[11:22] <Kilos> you guys talk too much
[11:22] <Kilos> rofl
[11:23] <andrewlsd> theblazehen:  you tried a nexenta server as a SAN perhaps? (it's ZFS)
[11:23] <theblazehen> andrewlsd On 2 GB ram? heh. ZFS is nice though
[11:24] <paddatrapper> theblazehen: 2GB does make ZFS tricky...
[11:24] <paddatrapper> XFS? I'
[11:24] <theblazehen> And too many of my disks are still on normal PCI..
[11:24] <andrewlsd> nooo.. 2GB of RAM for storage  .  um. n
[11:24] <paddatrapper> I've heard good things about it, but never tried it myself (XFS)
[11:24] <andrewlsd> lol, your storage is "PCI-compliant"
[11:24] <theblazehen> pavlushka indeed. I can max out the cpu with iperf and a 1500 MTU :/
[11:25] <theblazehen> paddatrapper isn't xfs just file system? I need multi device + ssd caching
[11:25] <theblazehen> Or do you mean zfs?
[11:25] <andrewlsd> storage I/O is needing RAM for caching. Seems you need more cash too. (to buy more RAM)
[11:25] <andrewlsd> ka-ching.
[11:26] <andrewlsd> sounds like a cache-22 situation
[11:26] <theblazehen> haha
[11:27] <theblazehen> At that point cheaper to get some SAS drives to directly attach the storage than motherboard + cpu + ram upgrade
[11:27] <theblazehen> Using normal sata drives now
[11:27] <paddatrapper> theblazehen: XFS with mdadm for RAID... Not sure about SSD caching - never really been on my radar
[11:28] <theblazehen> paddatrapper Well, better to use block device (with lvm) than a file on a filesystem to just share a iscsi target
[11:29] <theblazehen> I've got btrfs on iscsi on lvm on bcache on mdadm
[11:36] <andrewlsd> theblazehen:  creating LVM-based raid6 volumes to be exported via iSCSI sounds half decent
[11:36] <andrewlsd> o... although, I guess we're back to ZFS zraid (and more RAM)
[11:36] <theblazehen> andrewlsd Yeah. Thing is I want the other half of decent too
[11:36] <andrewlsd> +1 theblazehen
[11:37] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: hows your search for infiniband going?
[11:37] <theblazehen> andrewlsd meaning new motherboard + cpu + ram + pcie sata controller
[11:37] <theblazehen> andrewlsd settled on 10 gig ethernet
[11:37] <andrewlsd> ^ do you have that now?
[11:37] <andrewlsd> back-to-back conns, or switched?
[11:37] <theblazehen> 10 gig ethernet free, but 10 gig infiniband normally cheaper than 10 gig ethernet
[11:38] <theblazehen> andrewlsd Just direct connection between storage and server
[11:38] <andrewlsd> +1.   it's the switches that cost a fortune
[11:38] <theblazehen> Got 4x 2 port fiber channel cards as well
[11:38]  * andrewlsd (jokinging) looks for a Mustek 5 port 10GbE desktop switch
[11:39] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: you server could connect to storage over FC then.
[11:39]  * theblazehen is almost considering upgrading my "desktop" to 10 gig. GPU really slow, might as well use vnc to server
[11:40] <andrewlsd> ... send the storage over FC, and use Ethernet for the _other_ networking stuff.
[11:40] <theblazehen> andrewlsd Yeah, but don't have anything to connect them with, and IIRC they're just 2.5 gbit or something
[11:40] <andrewlsd> multipath theblazehen
[11:40] <theblazehen> andrewlsd other networking stuff between my storage server and actual server? lol
[11:40] <andrewlsd> connect them directly. I'm sure you can get fibre between server and storage.
[11:40] <theblazehen> andrewlsd 10 > 2.5 * 2
[11:41] <andrewlsd> indeed. but 10 + 2.5*2 is nice.
[11:41] <theblazehen> But actual storage maxes out at like 3.5 gbit / second :(
[11:41] <andrewlsd> especially since FC probably has lower latency than Eth.
[11:41] <andrewlsd> aah. dang physics of your drives.
[11:42] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: create a new software-defined storage project: Improbability Drive
[11:42] <theblazehen> andrewlsd haha nice
[11:42] <andrewlsd> an impossibly fast storage array that defies physics. (and reliable data transmission/storage too)
[11:42] <theblazehen> Tested ping -f, getting around 0.059 ms average latency from server -> storage server
[11:43] <andrewlsd> 500microsecnds is way to high ;-P
[11:43]  * andrewlsd goes to lurk for a bit
[11:43] <theblazehen> Indeed. I can access memory way quicker than that ;)
[11:49] <theblazehen> Seriously, with my current storage I can only index around 15k documents / s in elasticsearch, with 3 nodes
[11:50] <theblazehen> That was with a lvm snapshot though... Should be faster now
[11:50] <theblazehen> Still, only running a single ssd
[12:09] <nsnzero> what you running a website theblazehen ?
[12:10] <theblazehen> nsnzero nah, just playing with stuff at home
[12:11] <nsnzero> ah a fellow tinkerer ... 
[12:12] <theblazehen> nsnzero Yeah :) You seen a pic of my setup at home? Not too much in terms of number of computers / servers, but server has decent specs at least
[12:14] <nsnzero> yes i have - tinkering is a good way to learn 
[12:14] <nsnzero> but its costly 
[12:15] <theblazehen> Yeah :) What are the specs of what you're running?
[12:16] <nsnzero> i use laptops - no space for a desktop :(
[12:16] <theblazehen> Ouch :/
[12:17] <theblazehen> Tried running some kind of kubernetes or something across them?
[12:17] <theblazehen> With glusterfs / ceph / swift for storage
[12:18] <nsnzero> i have 2 hp g250 i5 1 hp 350 i5 1 gigabyte i5 with discreet nvidia for games 1 hp 250 celeron and 1 window 8 10 inch touch tablet pc 
[12:19] <theblazehen> Ah. Was hoping for like at least 10 spare laptops. Heh
[12:20] <nsnzero> when i build my nas i will experiment with them - looking for a mini pc case to house drives 
[12:23] <theblazehen> https://linx.li/t8wlckd8.txt <- current storage performance over iscsi, reads
[12:27] <nsnzero> i see python - isnt python slow 
[12:27] <theblazehen> nsnzero Well, it's just testing disk speed
[12:28] <theblazehen> http://ark.intel.com/products/64590/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2650-20M-Cache-2_00-GHz-8_00-GTs-Intel-QPI I'd say I have plenty of cpu performance anyway :p 
[12:28] <theblazehen> Have 2 of those
[12:29] <nsnzero> yeah the xeon 8 core rocks 
[12:29] <nsnzero> posted a link about building a 16 core 32 thread beast with 2nd hand xeons
[12:30] <theblazehen> link where? Yeah, this one has hyperthreading, 32 cores is fun :D
[12:30] <nsnzero> apparently facebook updated their hardware and flooded the 2nd hand market with xeon , the go for as little as $79 on ebay
[12:31] <theblazehen> Ooh! Damn, that's awesome
[12:31] <theblazehen> I need some...
[12:31] <nsnzero> http://www.techspot.com/review/1155-affordable-dual-xeon-pc/
[12:32] <nsnzero> cheaper than buying an i7 
[12:33] <theblazehen> Damn. I wish I could justify buying one of those...
[12:34] <nsnzero> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Intel-Xeon-8-Core-2-0GHz-E5-2650-SR0KQ-20MB-8GT-s-LGA2011-CPU-Processor-/381878373278?hash=item58e9b98b9e:g:SSUAAOSw2xRYc6YO
[12:36] <theblazehen> avg(q("sum:rate{counter,,1}:os.cpu{host=literal_or(d68d52fba89a)}", "1w", ""))
[12:36] <theblazehen> 0.9500624425289133
[12:37] <theblazehen> Less than 1% average cpu use :/
[12:39] <nsnzero> what language is that in ?
[12:40] <theblazehen> nsnzero openTSDB
[12:40] <theblazehen> nsnzero https://testlsdbosun.theblazehen.com/expr?expr=YXZnKHEoInN1bTpyYXRle2NvdW50ZXIsLDF9Om9zLmNwdXtob3N0PWxpdGVyYWxfb3IoZDY4ZDUyZmJhODlhKX0iLCAiMXciLCAiIikp
[12:40] <nsnzero> chat later theblazehen - home time 
[12:40] <theblazehen> Alright, cheers nsnzero
[12:46] <inetpro> ai!
[14:32] <andrewlsd> Maaz tell nsnzero What timezone are you on?
[14:32] <Maaz> andrewlsd: Got it, I'll tell nsnzero on freenode
[14:47] <andrewlsd> inetpro: thanks for the Slack message. I have (eventually) replied there. Only saw it a few moments ago
[15:24]  * andrewlsd disconnects from Quassel-core
[16:29] <nsnzero> afternoon all
[16:29] <Maaz> nsnzero: By the way, andrewlsd on freenode told me "tell nsnzero What timezone are you on?" 1 hour, 56 minutes and 40 seconds ago
[16:29] <magespawn> later all
[16:30] <nsnzero> Maaz tell andrewlsd -> Durban Time : Your Time + 2 , lol 
[16:30] <Maaz> nsnzero: Sure, I'll tell andrewlsd on freenode
[16:30] <nsnzero> later Magespawn
[17:43] <nsnzero> evening all
[18:05] <superfly> nsnzero: that's why I use Debian unstable, you get the latest features fairly quickly
[18:06] <superfly> nsnzero: also, I run KDE on a laptop with 2 gigs of RAM, and it runs fine. My biggest problem is my browser. Firefox works the best, all the WebKit/Blink based browsers just hose my system
[18:07] <nsnzero> hi superfly 
[18:45] <inetpro> good mornings superfly
[18:46] <inetpro> oh and hi everyone else
[18:58] <superfly> good evening inetpro
[19:05] <chesedo> evnorning superfly 
[19:05] <chesedo> inetpro: could you send out a tweet about tomorrow's meeting?
[19:07] <nsnzero> good night guys
[19:08] <superfly> inetpro, chesedo, Kilos-: This is what an AZLoCo meeting looks like: https://bin.snyman.info/mmm4kymz
[19:08] <superfly> And they have one once a week
[19:09] <chesedo> that smart bot has idea...
[19:09] <chesedo> :D
[19:12] <inetpro> superfly: but you didn't say a word there
[19:13] <superfly> inetpro: I can't get a word in edgeways
[19:13] <inetpro> too much AI
[19:14] <chesedo> I like some of the things they have there...
[19:15] <chesedo> and all wrapped up in 30 mins...
[19:15] <superfly> yes, cause no one actually says anything
[19:15]  * chesedo can easily see blaze being able to give the current news like that
[19:15] <chesedo> superfly: which do you prefer?
[19:16] <superfly> I think it would be better to have the top 5 stories and then just a "for more news, go to https..."
[19:16] <superfly> chesedo: a mix would be better
[19:16] <superfly> I think if we included a jobs segment that would improve attendance
[19:17]  * inetpro agrees about the news
[19:18] <inetpro> too much news would make things boring
[19:19] <chesedo> someone from sulug always had a few jobs listing that were interesting... i guess we can also have those of the companies for each member here as well...
[19:19] <chesedo> superfly: i was more referring to the interaction?
[19:21] <chesedo> it seems that tasks were also nicely splitted up with about 5 peeps each handling a section which might improve things like the jobs segment quality wise...
[19:24] <superfly> yup
[19:32] <chesedo> hi Mzolisto
[19:32] <chesedo> first time I've you here?
[19:33] <chesedo> *I've seen
[19:53] <chesedo> Night all
[19:54] <chesedo> And thanks for the share superfly 
[20:54] <Kilos-> night all. sleep tight
[20:54] <Kilos-> havva good day superfly 
[20:54] <superfly> he's too fast for me
[21:13] <smile> Yeah