[00:58] <gxz> hello
[05:21] <gxz> 没有人吗?
[05:21] <gxz> 有没有人啊？
[05:21] <gxz> 为什么没有人说话？
[05:22] <gxz> 来唠嗑啊！唠十块钱的！
[05:23] <valorie> !cn
[05:23] <valorie> gah, no ubottu
[05:25] <gxz> ubuntu
[05:25] <gxz> ?
[05:26] <gxz> what's the ubottu
[05:26] <gxz> ?
[05:26] <gxz> so quiet......
[05:47] <valorie> ubottu is our lovely bot, with all sorts of useful facts and links for people
[05:50] <gxz> ahah,that's good
[05:50] <gxz> I want to be a robot
[05:50] <gxz> do not need sleep
[05:50] <gxz> do not eat
[05:52] <Unit193> !ping | valorie
[05:54] <gxz> I  think I can not understand your speak
[05:54] <gxz> where are you?
[05:58] <valorie> gxz: I'm american
[05:58] <valorie> where are you from?
[05:58] <gxz> China
[05:59] <valorie> !cn
[05:59] <valorie> welcome to you, gxz
[05:59] <gxz> ?join #ubuntu-cn
[06:00] <gxz> thanks
[06:00] <valorie> commands on IRC always begin with  /
[06:00] <gxz> yeah.. I am wrong..
[06:01] <valorie> no problem
[06:01] <valorie> IRC is not the easiest to learn
[06:03] <gxz> At first, I thought it was just a software, but now I find it's a deal
[06:03] <valorie> a deal?
[06:06] <gxz>   mey be my English is so terrible...
[06:06] <gxz> may bi
[06:06] <gxz> may be!
[06:07] <gxz> the keyboard is too old
[06:08] <valorie> your english is good so far
[06:09] <gxz> wait a minute
[06:24] <gxz> Just went to smoke
[06:25] <gxz> do you know?In compulsory education in China, everyone must learn English
[06:26] <gxz> When you are in college, there will be an English test
[06:27] <gxz> So now I can say, according to the Chinese standard is only the primary English
[06:27] <valorie> I wish that all American students had to learn another language
[06:27] <valorie> sadly, that is not true
[06:28] <gxz> If you want to communicate with the normal need to use translation software. However, there are a lot of people's English is much better than me, they may not be very good Chinese, but it is favored by many people. I don't like this kind of education.
[06:29] <gxz> Yes, a foreign language is a communication tool
[06:31] <gxz> Chinese people are very strange, in China, if a child is not good English, that he is not a serious study of people.
[06:33] <gxz> I like USA,and your Edu
[06:33] <gxz> Everyone can develop freely, but do better than anyone else
[06:36] <gxz> O friend .what's your job?
[06:36] <valorie> I'm retired, except for my work for Kubuntu and KDE
[06:36] <gxz> OMG
[06:36] <valorie> ?
[06:37] <gxz> This is why I admire you, in China, ninety percent of people can not use the computer, not to mention Linux and IRC.
[06:38] <gxz> I do the encryption machine security services.
[06:39] <valorie> ah, when personal computers were first made available, my husband and I wanted to be sure that our children learned to use them
[06:39] <valorie> I learned right along with them
[06:43] <gxz> You really let me sit up and take notice
[06:44] <valorie> I guess grandmothers are rather scarce in free software
[06:44] <valorie> but I'm not alone
[06:46] <gxz> Do you use Windows software?
[06:48] <valorie> not for many years
[06:48] <valorie> unless I have to do something on my husband's computer
[06:48] <valorie> he uses an ancient bill-paying software
[06:49] <valorie> I've been using linux since around 2001
[06:49] <gxz> Because I need to work, so I have to use Linux, it is too difficult!
[06:50] <valorie> ?
[06:50] <valorie> what is difficult?
[06:50] <valorie> I find Windows tiresome
[06:50] <gxz> The system used by the encryption machine is LINUX
[06:51] <gxz> I grew up with WINDOWS operating system, so it is difficult for me.
[06:53] <gxz> But my dad said, LINUX is the best operating system, but it is not suitable to play some big games
[06:53] <valorie> well, I first used CP/M, and then DOS, so linux is not so different
[06:53] <valorie> same with Mac
[06:54] <gxz> Do you have any other social ways? Phone or email so that I can ask you about LINUX online.
[06:54] <valorie> I prefer IRC
[06:54] <valorie> are you using Kubuntu?
[06:55] <gxz>  yeah
[06:57] <valorie> then you can ask for help here any time
[06:57] <valorie> that's the utility of a healthy IRC channel -- lots of expertise
[07:06] <gxz> 谢谢
[07:06] <gxz> thank you~
[07:38] <valorie> gxz: I'm 63; although it's a rather personal question
[07:39] <valorie> it's rude to PM people without asking
[07:39] <hateball> !pm
[07:42] <gxz> I'm sorry, I know this is a personal problem, but I'm very happy to chat with you. So forget the details.
[07:46] <gxz> valorie
[08:15] <valorie> katanaxi: I know you are new to IRC; just a word to the wise
[08:15] <valorie> I blog as Linuxgrandma, so I'm not shy about my age
[08:16] <katanaxi> I will pay attention to your blog
[08:17] <katanaxi> but I haven't
[08:17] <katanaxi> I think I should sign up for an account
[08:18] <valorie> it's mostly notes to myself
[08:18] <valorie> when I learn how to do a new thing, I write it down so I don't forget the details
[08:19] <valorie> too often instructions leave out crucial bits that are "understood" -- by non-beginners
[08:31] <katanaxi> Live and learn.
[08:34] <katanaxi> I am thinking about a problem: on the Internet I can communicate with you through the translation software, but when I went to the United States a naive，how can I do?
[08:35] <katanaxi> I am thinking about a problem: on the Internet I can communicate with you through the translation software, but when I went to the United States，how can I do?
[08:42] <katanaxi> valorie Can you give me your blog address？
[09:42] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:46] <BluesKaj> HI folks
[12:17] <daum> hey guys - just upgraded from 14 to 16 kubuntu.  The oxygen monospace font which looks to be the default is really grainy/fuzzy now any ideas what may be causing it?
[12:19] <hateball> daum: check your font smoothing options
[12:19] <hateball> pixel hinting that is
[12:19] <BluesKaj> or use noto sans
[12:20] <daum> ah yep that was it noto sans is much better
[12:20] <daum> thanks!
[12:23] <BluesKaj> noto a great font
[12:52] <daum> BluesKaj, do you happen to know the default font of kate in 14?  Noto is working well except in kate it seems the spacing for an single space string (' ') is super close and hard to tell it's got a space vs empty string
[12:54] <BluesKaj> daum, kate uses whatever you choose in kate>settings.configure kate>fonts&colours>fonts
[12:56] <daum> ok hm something changed between my upgrade but will figure it out
[12:58] <BluesKaj> daum, in other words you can choose whatever fonts you want in kate
[13:00] <daum> right yup
[16:26] <Pici> i/25
[16:26] <Pici> :(
[16:27] <DarinMiller> answer = 2 if i=50
[16:43] <r__rios> Hello. What's the difference between using cp -R and cp -a?
[16:54] <dax> r__rios: as `man cp` says, -a is the same as -dR --preserve=all. -d copies symbolic links as they are instead of following them. --preserve=all attempts to set timestamps, permissions, etc., on the destination to be the same as the source
[16:55] <r__rios> Thanks
[17:53] <Jamesrm86> anyone have experience installing kubuntu via USB?
[17:57] <akik_> Jamesrm86: yes, write the iso image on the usb stick and boot off it
[17:57] <Jamesrm86> i did keeps freeing at the prepare step.
[18:00] <akik_> Jamesrm86: try setting the boot options in the first grub menu
[18:08] <Jamesrm86> ok thanks i will see what i can do.
[18:38] <Jamesrm_86> am still bewildered. seems to be stuck at the end of prepare step of kubuntu usb install. it keeps having an installer chrash. changed bios settings, formatted the drive with the partition manager.  wondering what is up.
[19:56] <gonka> algun español'
[19:56] <gonka> ??
[19:56] <BluesKaj> !es
[19:57] <gonka> gracias
[19:57] <BluesKaj> de nada
[20:25] <Simonious> http://pastebin.com/XsU0NQPS so this looks good..  but yet when I log into the desktop I have a nice background, a mouse, and nothing else.  What did I miss?
[20:33] <BluesKaj> Simonious, why did you think you needed to install kubuntu-desktop?
[20:34] <Simonious> BluesKaj: *shrugs* because it doesn't work
[20:34] <Simonious> it's got ubuntu on it and the guy wants the xenial kubuntu desktop he is used to
[20:35] <BluesKaj> the reasonm I asked is if you had chosen kubuntu over another desktop at the login
[20:36] <Simonious> BluesKaj: No, I got it.. It's one of many in a pile of suspicious laptops :)
[20:36] <BluesKaj> does unity desktop load
[20:37] <Simonious> never tried.. how do I load unity?
[20:38] <Simonious> just apt-get install it..?
[20:38] <BluesKaj> ok , let's start over , did you install kubuntu on the laptop?
[20:38] <Simonious> no.. I said that already twice - I got it with Ubuntu on it.
[20:39] <Simonious> I did the attempt to put kubuntu desktop that you saw in the paste.
[20:39] <Simonious> Hmm, only said it once before actually.
[20:40] <BluesKaj> ubuntu has the unity desktop by default, so you can choose it at the login page if it's not the defaullt desktop
[20:40] <Simonious>  but yet when I log into the desktop I have a nice background, a mouse, and nothing else.  What did I miss?
[20:40] <Simonious> I'll look again..
[20:41] <genii> Simonious: Does this machine have multiple monitors?
[20:41] <Simonious> genii: no
[20:42] <BluesKaj> probly plasma-workspace
[20:42] <genii> Simonious: If you bring the cursor to the bottom edge of the screen, does a panel slide up?
[20:42] <Simonious> I can log in, I can move the mouse around..  that is all, no panel, no right click menu
[20:42] <genii> Ah, no right-click menu either
[20:43] <BluesKaj> what about the windows key?
[20:43] <Simonious> ?  nothing
[20:43] <BluesKaj> ok
[20:43] <Simonious> does that usually do something in X?
[20:43] <Simonious> not...
[20:43] <BluesKaj> brings up the kmenu
[20:44] <Simonious> at least not on the box next to it..
[20:44]  * Simonious ponders
[20:47] <genii> Simonious: I would attempt: ctrl-alt-F1  and see if you can gain a console. If so, login there and: mv .kde  .oldkde     then: sudo service lightdm restart   ( or use the name of the window manager you have installed instead, if not lightdm, like sddm, etc).  then if you're not at the login screen again, alt-F7 to get there and try logging in again
[20:47] <Simonious> yup, no problem getting console
[20:48] <Simonious> that had no effect except I  had to log back into X
[20:49] <BluesKaj> ctl+alt+F2, login then sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade, then sudo apt insta. ll plasma-workspace,  it should already be installed but it's worth a try, then ctl+alt+F7 for the desktop
[20:49] <BluesKaj> correction sudo apt install plasma-workspace
[20:50]  * genii makes more coffee
[20:53] <Simonious> Hmm.. it's working, BluesKaj I didn't get to your last suggestion yet, genii your suggestion may have had a delayed success.
[20:53] <BluesKaj> Simonious, ok that's good news , then do you have a panel on the desktop?
[20:54] <Simonious> yes, it's the familiar looking Xenial background and all
[20:54] <Simonious> so going to do some updates, reboot and see if it stays healthy and behaves
[20:54] <BluesKaj> ok , gotta run some errands ...hope it works out
[20:54] <Simonious> :)
[20:54] <Simonious> thanks
[21:00] <genii> Simonious: Is the context menu appearing now also, on a right-click?
[21:03] <tgm4883> Running 16.04.2, plasma crashed and now it doesn't appear to be starting again even after a reboot
[21:03] <tgm4883> Is there a way to reset it or restart it from the command line so I can look for errors?
[21:06] <diogenes_> tgm4883, try sudo service sddm start
[21:08] <tgm4883> diogenes_: I restarted the computer and it didn't work. I did just test a new user and it works fine there though
[21:08] <diogenes_> tgm4883, then try kstart plasma-desktop
[21:09] <diogenes_> or kstart plasmashell
[21:10] <tgm4883> tried the sddm restart, no change. Tried kstart on both commands and I see no errors other than ommiting bot --window and --windowclass isn't recommended
[21:11] <tgm4883> a look at ps suggests that the PID for each of those isn't running anymore
[21:12] <diogenes_> tgm4883, something is messed up in your /home/.config or .kde or some other cofing files
[21:12] <tgm4883> diogenes_: yea I'll agree with that. Let me try doing a mv on .config
[21:12] <diogenes_> ok
[21:16] <tgm4883> diogenes_: yea, moving .config fixed it. I wish that was logged somewhere as I'd rather take it out with a scapel than a guided missle
[21:17] <diogenes_> tgm4883, you gonna have a sleepless night trying to figure it out but it's possible though
[21:17] <tgm4883> minimally I'd hope for a validator that could just ensure it wasn't something like a file getting truncated
[21:18] <diogenes_> try to remember what changes you made before it stopped responding
[21:21] <tgm4883> diogenes_: Yea, I actually didn't make any changes today. The only thing I did was register a program that I purchased, which I had to do again after wiping that directory. I suppose it's worth a logout/login to see if that was it
[21:22] <diogenes_> tgm4883, try just to remove it's appearence in .config folder and see if it's the issue
[21:27] <tgm4883> diogenes_: nope, that doesn't seem to have been it
[21:28] <diogenes_> tgm4883, then try to see the terminal history, maybe you did something in terminal and you forgot
[21:32] <tgm4883> diogenes_: nothing out of the ordinary. I guess I'll just monitor it and see if it happens again at some point
[21:32] <Simonious> http://pastebin.com/JfZSSedS apt-get update had a bad time, here are the last few lines where the err/fail happened.
[21:32] <diogenes_> tgm4883, yeah I guess that's a better option
[21:32] <tgm4883> diogenes_: thanks for the help
[21:33] <diogenes_> tgm4883, you're welcome