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mdeslaurhi17:00
mdeslaurslangasek, kees, stgraber: hi!17:02
slangasekmdeslaur: hello!17:03
slangasekwho's chairing?17:03
mdeslaurI am17:03
slangasekcool17:03
* slangasek leans his chair back17:05
mdeslaur#startmeeting17:05
meetingologyMeeting started Tue Feb 28 17:03:37 2017 UTC.  The chair is mdeslaur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.17:05
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* stgraber waves17:05
mdeslaur[topic] Apologies17:05
mdeslaurNo apologies17:05
* mdeslaur looks around for infinity17:05
keeshola17:05
mdeslaur[topic] Action review17:05
mdeslaurhrm17:05
mdeslaurhi infinity17:05
infinityOh hai.17:05
infinityAre you already in progress?17:05
mdeslauryep17:05
mdeslaurwe're at the action review, you've arrived just in time :)17:05
* infinity sits quietly in the corner.17:05
mdeslaurinfinity to follow up with maas SRU exception17:05
mdeslaurinfinity: what's the status on your action items?17:05
infinityDefer on MAAS, defer (but working on this week) seed/maint-check.17:05
mdeslaurack17:06
mdeslaurslangasek: how about yours?17:06
slangasekdefer :/17:06
mdeslaurack17:06
mdeslaurdoko has an agenda item about a freeze exception for python2.6 and openjdk-917:06
dokothat should be 3.617:07
mdeslaurdoko: I'm a bit confused by the request...you want a freeze exception for zesty?17:08
mdeslauror do you want to upload what's in zesty to xenial and yakkety?17:08
dokono, I want standing exceptions for python3.6 and openjdk-9 in xenial and yakkety17:08
dokoyes, exactly17:08
infinity"Not used by any package builds" as in, there aren't any python3.6 extensions built in the archive?17:09
dokocorrect. the only one I plan to do is python3-stdlib-extensions, just adding the tk and gdbm extensions from the standard lib for 3.617:09
dokothis will be a space penalty of about 100k for 3.5 users17:10
infinityThis probably technically belongs more to the SRU team to ACK/NACK, but if there are no rdeps in the archive to worry about *and* no regressions in upstream tests, it's likely fine.17:10
mdeslaurthe new SRU process should handle updating to new versions17:11
dokoI'm fine to follow that one as well. just thought to get approval for the updates here17:11
infinityWell, a couple of the people here are also there. :P17:12
infinityAnd with that other hat on, I'm fine with it, so long as upstream tests don't regress.17:12
slangasekyes, given that the TB previously punted these things to the SRU team as a whole, from my side the preferred process now is: 1) create a wiki page detailing the exception, 2) get the SRU team to review it17:12
dokowell, xenial has pre-releases ... so until the upload of the first upstream release, these could regress17:13
slangaseksample exception wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SnapcraftUpdates17:13
infinitydoko: I get your point, but it also seems like it would be poor form for an upstream test to regress between a pre-release and the final version. :P17:14
dokowell, then call it snapshots ... these are not even pre-releases ...17:14
infinity(upstream BEHAVIOURs could change, and I acknowledge that's an issue, but not a huge one for non-default versions)17:14
dokobut let's see for the first run of the tests ...17:15
infinityUpstream behaviours changing or not, though, I'm inclined to agree that an LTS should ship a proper upstream release, not a snapshot of who-knows-what.17:15
* slangasek nods17:15
mdeslaurok, next topic?17:17
infinity[Add new agenda items above this line - include your name]17:17
infinityCould be contentious.17:17
mdeslaurhehe17:17
mdeslaur[topic] Mailing list archive17:17
mdeslaurrbasak asked on the list if the SRU team can accept NEW packages in stable releases17:18
infinityOh, yeah.  I didn't see that until just now.17:18
infinityNotwithstanding Mark's attempt to take a 90 degree turn there, the answer is "it has to be an AA because permissions".17:19
infinityWhich I'd highlight rbasak on, but he's not in here.17:19
mdeslaurI agree with sabdfl's response as a general recommendation, but there are a few packages there that are required in the archive17:19
keesthat's been fine in the psst, for some things17:20
* slangasek nods17:20
mdeslaurinfinity: so there is a permissions issue there?17:20
infinitymdeslaur: Yeah, you just plain can't manipulate the NEW queue without ~ubuntu-archive.17:21
infinityQuite intentionally.17:21
mdeslaurok, so I guess that answers the question17:21
mdeslaurinfinity: can you tell rbasak?17:23
mdeslauroh, you already are17:23
mdeslaurok, next topic17:24
mdeslaur[topic] Community bugs17:24
mdeslaurno open bugs17:24
mdeslaur[topic] AOB17:24
mdeslauranybody have anything else they would like to discuss?17:24
* tsimonq2 waves17:24
tsimonq2Just a quick thing.17:24
tsimonq2Hey TB, I just wanted to shoot a quick question your way. You may have heard that Lubuntu is thinking about and working on moving to LXQt. Is this something that requires review and acceptance by the TB once we have something to work with, or can we just continue as is? We had a team member that dragged his feet on it and stopped progress, but I'm heading the subproject now, so anything the TB h17:24
tsimonq2ad to say on it before might be outdated.17:25
mdeslaurIs the move controversial where the TB needs to get involved?17:26
infinityWe don't need to be involved.  Framework changes happen.17:26
infinitySee KDE's move to plasma, etc.17:26
tsimonq2Not necessarily, but it's essentially an overhaul of the whole DE.17:26
tsimonq2Like, moving underlying framework.17:26
tsimonq2infinity: Ok, that makes sense.17:26
slangasekyeah, I don't think there's any sort of charter statement w/ the TB that defines Lubuntu must be "this" :)17:27
tsimonq2Ok that's cool :)17:27
slangasekif you said "we're going to make Lubuntu's metapackage a clone of Kubuntu's", I would go "um"17:27
tsimonq2Yeah :P17:27
slangasekbut technologies change17:27
tsimonq2Alright, fair enough. :)17:28
tsimonq2Thanks for your time. :) o/17:28
mdeslaurtsimonq2: thanks!17:28
mdeslaurAnybody have anything else they would like to discuss?17:28
infinitytsimonq2: Massive bonus points if you can eliminate --no-follow-recommends while you're at it.17:29
infinitytsimonq2: It's a huge pain in the butt.17:29
tsimonq2infinity: Where is this? :P17:29
stgrabermdeslaur: I don't17:29
infinitytsimonq2: Your seeds don't follow recommends.  You're the only flavour that doesn't now.  We can discuss out of band another time.17:29
mdeslaur[topic] Next chair17:30
mdeslaurslangasek with stgraber as backup17:30
slangasekack17:30
mdeslaurthat's all folks!17:30
mdeslaur#endmeeting17:30
meetingologyMeeting ended Tue Feb 28 17:30:34 2017 UTC.17:30
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2017/ubuntu-meeting-2.2017-02-28-17.03.moin.txt17:30
* infinity read that as "slangasek with stgraber as backpack", which was quite the mental image.17:30
mdeslaurthanks everyone17:30
mdeslaurinfinity: lol :)17:30
slangasekheh17:31
kees*wave* thanks!17:31
stgraberthanks!17:31

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