[05:40] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:17] <paddatrapper> morning inetpro, everyone
[06:49] <nsnzero> good morning all
[06:52] <nsnzero> http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial Release
[06:52] <nsnzero> getting 404 error when updating
[07:05] <Langjan> G'morning all
[07:05] <Langjan> How are you doing Kilos? 
[07:06] <nsnzero> morning Langjan 
[07:06] <Langjan> hi nsnzero 
[07:06] <magespawn> good morning
[07:07] <Langjan> nsnzero, you keeping well?
[07:07] <Langjan> hi magespawn 
[07:12] <Kilos> hi Langjan im still kicking ty and how are you?
[07:12] <Kilos> morning every one else
[07:12] <Kilos> and inetpro 
[07:13] <Kilos> nsnzero change server to neology
[07:13] <Kilos> change repo that is
[07:13] <Langjan> I'm fine thanks Kilos just wondered how you're doing health-wise 
[07:14] <Kilos> still surviving ty
[07:14] <Kilos> vit c still trying to do its work
[07:15] <Langjan> ok, did you try to kick hard for a few days, like triple or quadruple dose? 
[07:15] <Kilos> not enough of them
[07:15] <Kilos> i got a 1 month supply
[07:16] <chesedo> morning inetpro paddatrapper nsnzero Langjan magespawn Kilos
[07:16] <Kilos> hi chesedo 
[07:16] <Langjan> no man just do it, that kick has residual effect
[07:16] <Kilos> and magespawn 
[07:16] <Langjan> hi chesedo 
[07:16] <Kilos> ok ill take 3 today
[07:17] <Langjan> and tomorrow
[07:17] <Kilos> ok 
[07:17] <Kilos> lemme count them
[07:17] <Langjan> space them morning noon and evening
[07:17] <Kilos> hehe
[07:17] <Kilos> i been taking morning and evening
[07:18] <Langjan> whats the recommended dosage?f 
[07:18] <Kilos> 1 a day i think i read
[07:18] <magespawn> your body cannot store vit c, so anything it does not use will be flushed out.
[07:19] <Kilos> 1 or 2 daily or as directed. no-one directed
[07:19] <magespawn> i have always found that it is better to space them about 12 apart
[07:19] <magespawn> hours
[07:19] <Langjan> magespawn, google food state
[07:19] <paddatrapper> hi chesedo, Langjan, Kilos 
[07:20] <Kilos> i got 12 left
[07:20] <Langjan> we dont want to store the stuff, just let it do its job
[07:21] <Langjan> hi paddatrapper 
[07:23] <Langjan> OK Kilos you been good to take two, take three or four per day until the stock is gone then see how soon you can get some more
[07:24] <Kilos> lol ok will do
[07:24] <Kilos> ty for that info oom
[07:24] <Kilos> you have a good day
[07:24] <Langjan> Good man! Strongs and best wishes 
[07:24] <Kilos> danke
[07:25] <Langjan> you also enjoy the day and have a good meeting
[07:25] <Kilos> what meeting
[07:25] <Kilos> oh my
[07:25] <Kilos> ty for reminding me
[07:25] <Langjan> Dont you have irc tonite or tomorrow?
[07:25] <thatgraemeguy> morning peoples
[07:25] <Kilos> yes
[07:25] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy 
[07:25] <Langjan> hi thatgraemeguy 
[07:26] <Langjan> Ok will leave you at it, go well my friend
[07:26] <Kilos> go well sir
[07:26] <Kilos> ty
[07:26] <Langjan> thks
[07:27] <Langjan> Maybe I must go to kde so I can visit more often to sort out probs? lmga
[07:28] <Langjan> Bye now
[08:36] <andrewlsd> Morning peeps. :-D
[08:36] <Maaz> andrewlsd: By the way, nsnzero on freenode told me "tell andrewlsd -> Durban Time : Your Time + 2 , lol" 16 hours, 6 minutes and 18 seconds ago
[08:36] <andrewlsd> Thanks Maaz
[09:03]  * andrewlsd pops in to visit #ubuntu-us-az 
[09:03] <andrewlsd> typing AZ requires real intention. I keep typing ZA.(muscle memory)
[09:04] <nsnzero> hi andrewlsd 
[09:05] <andrewlsd> \o nsnzero
[09:18] <nsnzero> cant download ktorrent cos the ubuntu-za repository is malfunctioning 
[09:23]  * theblazehen wonders why you can't define fallback mirrors for apt
[09:24] <theblazehen> You could probably run a local haproxy / nginx for it
[09:26] <andrewlsd> apt-proxy is able to do some URL-equivalence rewriting. but if using https for apt_transport, then not sure if that would still work.
[09:28] <andrewlsd> s/apt-proxy/apt-cacher-ng/
[09:31] <nsnzero> theblazehen: i think its for security reasons 
[09:31] <nsnzero> free book for those who love the command line http://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php
[09:31] <theblazehen> nsnzero That's what signed packages are for
[09:31] <theblazehen> andrewlsd yeah, running apt-cacher-ng at home
[09:32] <theblazehen> Still slow to install packages :/ due to storage speed. Takes like 8 min to launch a container, install config management, and have it install my stuff
[09:32] <theblazehen> Might be due to the fsync's that apt does from what I read
[09:33] <nsnzero> theblazehen: aaaaaaaah 
[09:33] <nsnzero> does apt check signature though ?
[09:33] <theblazehen> yeah
[09:33] <theblazehen> And it's a bit of a pita to not check it IIRC
[09:37] <nsnzero> i am looking for a simple qt based email client - kmail not required 
[09:39] <theblazehen> Konsole + mutt? /s
[09:40] <theblazehen> Konsole + emacs + Gnus?
[10:26] <theblazehen> Does anyone even use the systemd remote stuff? https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/System_Administrators_Guide/sect-Managing_Services_with_systemd-Remote.html
[10:26] <theblazehen> Apart from possibly journald logging
[10:26] <theblazehen> Which is different
[10:34] <chesedo> nsnzero: the first four might inspire you -> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?s=email
[10:35] <Kilos> guys give me a command to delete a directory off mt desktop please
[10:36] <Kilos> rm says its a directory so cant rm it
[10:36] <Kilos> my ssd is full so need to make space quick
[10:37] <Kilos> i forgot i wasnt on a large drive and made a /home backup on desktop
[10:47] <theblazehen> Kilos rm -r
[10:48] <Kilos> ty
[10:50] <nsnzero> thanks chesedo 
[10:52] <nsnzero> cant install beause i cant update the repositories - going to reboot
[10:56] <nsnzero> no joy - i will try later
[10:57] <nsnzero> rr:9 http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial InRelease                                   
[10:57] <nsnzero>   Cannot initiate the connection to za.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (2c0f:fe40:8001:10::2). - connect (101: Network is unreachable) [IP: 2c0f:fe40:8001:10::2 80]
[11:03]  * chesedo sees nsnzero is lucky enough to be on an IPv6 network
[11:08] <nsnzero> my secret is out 
[11:14] <magespawn> would it make that much of a difference?
[11:16] <nsnzero> magespawn: the ip6 ?
[11:19] <magespawn> yup
[11:20] <theblazehen> nsnzero use archive.ubuntu.com ?
[11:20] <theblazehen> nsnzero What's your ipv6 address?
[11:21] <theblazehen> Is it in the fe80 range?
[11:21] <nsnzero> yip - starts with fe80
[11:22] <Kilos> nsnzero maybe symmatria is working on it or upgrading
[11:22] <Kilos> use neology man
[11:22] <Kilos> symmetria
[11:23] <theblazehen> nsnzero That's a auto configured address
[11:23] <theblazehen> Link local*
[11:23] <theblazehen> So you won't get an internet connection
[11:23] <theblazehen> Disable ipv6
[11:24] <nsnzero> it my router giving me a local ip6 address -> NAT
[11:26] <theblazehen> nsnzero Nope
[11:27] <theblazehen> kind of like ipv4's 169.254.0.0/16
[11:27] <theblazehen> LAN only, but you're trying to use it for internet
[11:27] <theblazehen> Until we get ipv6 here, gotta disable it :/
[11:29]  * chesedo is under the impression that IPv6 does not use NAT...
[11:30] <theblazehen> chesedo it shouldn't, yes
[11:33] <theblazehen> http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/ios-xml/ios/ipaddr_nat/configuration/15-mt/nat-15-mt-book/iadnat-mapt.html#concept_68A1CB818D234BC3B3C883BBEFDDC1AC
[11:34] <nsnzero> i have dual addresses ip4 and ip6 
[11:35] <theblazehen> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5902
[11:35] <theblazehen> nsnzero From your isp? Or just in ifconfig / ip a
[11:35] <chesedo> nsnzero: so you are tunneling?
[11:36]  * chesedo is off to lunch
[11:36] <nsnzero> external is ip4 internal is ip4 and ip6 
[11:36] <theblazehen> nsnzero So you use ipv6 in your home network?
[11:37] <nsnzero> its also been this way - and i wont touch it as long as it works
[11:37] <theblazehen> Well, if you use NDP / RA (not too familiar with ipv6) you wouldn't get a link local address
[11:38] <theblazehen> I think?
[11:38] <theblazehen> So, default linux would give you a link local ipv6
[11:38] <theblazehen> But for some reason it thinks it has an ipv6 internet connection
[11:39] <theblazehen> Browsers normally handle it fine
[11:39] <andrewlsd> nsnzero: I came across a simple QT mail client last week. only does Imap.
[11:39] <theblazehen> They do A and AAAA lookups, and try both, if ipv6 works, yay, otherwise use ipv4
[11:39] <andrewlsd> nsnzero: http://trojita.flaska.net/
[11:39] <theblazehen> So you should just tell it not to use ipv6 for dns, or just not ipv6
[11:40] <andrewlsd> nsnzero: via http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/02/install-trojita-email-app-ubuntu
[11:41] <andrewlsd> sorry nsnzero I didn't see that theblazehen already sent you that.
[11:41] <theblazehen> Or get ipv6 via a tunnel broker if you wanna play with ipv6 I suppose
[11:41] <andrewlsd> FYI, DSL in ZA pretty much doesn't support ipv6
[11:41] <theblazehen> andrewlsd yeah, waiting on telkom for it
[11:41] <theblazehen> DSLAM needs to support it IIRC
[11:42] <andrewlsd> so I do this to avoid paying attention to AAA records: `echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/default/disable_ipv6`
[11:42] <theblazehen> Sorry, BRAS I think?
[11:42] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: IIRC yes.
[11:42] <theblazehen> Yeah, BRAS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadband_remote_access_server
[11:43] <andrewlsd> alternative version systcl -w net.ipv6.conf.default.disable_ipv6=1
[11:43] <theblazehen> And throw it in /etc/sysctl.d
[11:44] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: https://bin.snyman.info/mmmmdrt4
[11:45] <andrewlsd> ... useful for containers. so that the container's bridge doesn't support ipv6, so containers tend not to attempt ipv6.  YMMV
[11:46] <theblazehen> andrewlsd fyi net.ipv6.conf.all.<stuff>
[11:49] <andrewlsd> ? theblazehen
[11:50] <theblazehen> andrewlsd So you don't need it for each interface afaik
[11:50] <andrewlsd> Yeah. I was nervous about disabling ipv6 on localhost
[11:50] <andrewlsd> apparently it can cause unexpected results. which is why I had _default_ set to 0
[11:50] <theblazehen> What's the worst that can happen? You need to reboot?
[11:51] <theblazehen> Says the guy with 60+ days of uptime
[12:12] <nsnzero> sorry got busy
[12:18] <nsnzero> andrewlsd: thanks
[12:19] <nsnzero> i will read up on ip6 later - but it works so i wont interfere 
[12:32] <chesedo> nsnzero: when you read later, you can use 'ping6 2001:4860:4860::8888' to test if it works (it is the ipv6 equiv of ping 8.8.8.8)
[12:35] <nsnzero> will try it chesedo 
[12:43] <nsnzero> chat later guys - take care 
[13:08] <andrewlsd> ciao
[16:18] <Kilos> sorry guys bad mobile signal here
[17:04] <nsnzero> good evening all
[17:05] <paddatrapper> evening nsnzero 
[17:06] <nsnzero> hi paddatrapper 
[17:14] <paddatrapper> Don't forget meeting in 1.5 hours everyone
[17:25] <nsnzero> thanks paddatrapper - i will be on 
[18:23]  * nsnzero is online
[18:26] <paddatrapper> \o
[18:26] <theblazehen> hey nsnzero, paddatrapper
[18:26] <paddatrapper> Hey theblazehen 
[18:26] <nsnzero> hi again paddatrapper . theblazehen 
[18:27] <nsnzero> quick question - i have /var on a seperate 10G partition is that enough ?
[18:28] <theblazehen> nsnzero Yeah, just watch /var/cache and /var/log
[18:28] <paddatrapper> nsnzero: Depends what you're doing, but yeah
[18:28] <theblazehen> Check your log rotation settings
[18:28] <nsnzero> df tells me that 13% is already used and this system is 1 week old 
[18:28] <theblazehen> Consider using filesystem quotas?
[18:29] <nsnzero> i had quotas installed on the other system but wasnt set up 
[18:29] <paddatrapper> what are you using it for? Mine is 2.4G and it's been going about a year
[18:30] <chesedo> evening all
[18:30] <paddatrapper> hi chesedo 
[18:31] <nsnzero> nothing intensive . just web and a few terminal apps 
[18:31] <nsnzero> hi chesedo 
[18:31] <chesedo> seems like we may have low attentance tonight
[18:31] <paddatrapper> Alrighty, meeting time?
[18:31] <paddatrapper> oom Kilos-, you around?
[18:32] <chesedo> Kilos- inetpro magespawn smile  spinza superfly theblazehen meeting about to start
[18:32] <smile> 😀
[18:32] <theblazehen> ack
[18:32] <smile> I will be listening 
[18:32] <paddatrapper> Maaz: start meeting about Ubuntu Monthly Meeting - February 2017
[18:32]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:33] <paddatrapper> Welcome all and thanks for joining in on our monthly meeting
[18:33] <paddatrapper> Our bot maaz does the minutes as usual so please introduce yourself to it using `Maaz: I am <firstname lastname>` eg.
[18:33] <paddatrapper> Maaz: I am Kyle Robbertze
[18:33] <Maaz> paddatrapper: Alrighty
[18:33] <chesedo> Maaz: I am Pieter Engelbrecht
[18:33] <Maaz> chesedo: Righto
[18:33] <paddatrapper> The agenda for today is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20170228
[18:33] <paddatrapper> the agenda is short so any last minute addition are welcome
[18:33] <nsnzero> Maaz : nasan zero present 
[18:33] <Maaz> nsnzero: Sorry...
[18:33] <theblazehen> Maaz I am Jeandre Le Roux
[18:33] <Maaz> theblazehen: Righto
[18:34] <nsnzero> Maaz: i am nasan zero
[18:34] <Maaz> nsnzero: Sure
[18:34] <paddatrapper> Everyone happy with the agenda?
[18:34] <chesedo> yip
[18:34] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed All happy with agenda
[18:34] <Maaz> Agreed: All happy with agenda
[18:34] <paddatrapper> Maaz: topic Review minutes of previous meeting
[18:34] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review minutes of previous meeting
[18:34] <paddatrapper> previous meeting minutes is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20170124
[18:35] <paddatrapper> All good with the previous minutes?
[18:36] <nsnzero> yes - from myside 
[18:36] <chesedo> seems so yes
[18:36] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed All happy with previous minutes
[18:36] <Maaz> Agreed: All happy with previous minutes
[18:36] <paddatrapper> Maaz: topic Plans for 2017
[18:36] <Maaz> Current Topic: Plans for 2017
[18:36] <paddatrapper> Any updates on tareq, magespawn's and Kapanda's membership?
[18:37] <chesedo> nope, although I may know where to find tareq now
[18:37] <Kilos-> Maaz I am Miles Sharpe
[18:37] <Maaz> Kilos-: Righto
[18:37] <paddatrapper> chesedo: Haven't seen him
[18:37] <Kilos-> sorry im late guys
[18:38] <paddatrapper> no problem
[18:38] <nsnzero> apology accepted Kilos- 
[18:38] <chesedo> i see magespawn's wiki is still blank too
[18:38] <chesedo> np Kilos-
[18:38] <Kilos-> tareg been offline for months
[18:38] <Kilos-> remove that paddatrapper 
[18:38] <paddatrapper> ack
[18:38] <Kilos-> Maaz hi
[18:38]  * Maaz waves to Kilos-
[18:39] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed stop tracking tareg's membership application
[18:39] <Maaz> Agreed: stop tracking tareg's membership application
[18:39] <paddatrapper> Anyone else need help with membership, launchpad ID, etc?
[18:39] <chesedo> nope...
[18:39] <Kilos> huh
[18:40] <nsnzero> i am good 
[18:40] <paddatrapper> Any update on Ubuntu for Hope?
[18:40] <chesedo> may i propose that we rename this section (Plan 20xx) to Next Steps?
[18:40] <paddatrapper> I second that
[18:40] <Kilos> nsnzero when you applying
[18:40] <chesedo> as in next steps for new users and establishes ones...
[18:40] <Kilos> paddatrapper thats your field isnt it
[18:40] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed rename Plan 2017 to Next Steps
[18:40] <Maaz> Agreed: rename Plan 2017 to Next Steps
[18:40] <Kilos> oh no chesedo 
[18:41] <nsnzero> applying for Kilos ?
[18:41] <chesedo> Kilos: what have i done???
[18:41] <paddatrapper> Kilos: what is my field?
[18:41] <Kilos> Maaz seen superfly 
[18:41] <Maaz> Kilos: superfly was last seen 21 hours, 46 minutes and 42 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2017-02-27 20:54:58 GMT], and has been online on freenode since 2017-02-22 03:09:03 GMT
[18:41] <Kilos> the ubuntu for hope
[18:42] <Kilos> someone here was involved
[18:42] <chesedo> oh...
[18:42]  * paddatrapper learns a new thing everyday :)
[18:42] <chesedo> we can move it to events?
[18:42] <Kilos> it was with karl wasnt it
[18:42] <chesedo> it is an (ongoing) event after all...
[18:42] <paddatrapper> If no-one knows who/what, maybe we strike it until someone who knows appears
[18:43] <Kilos> so much has happened i forget what went where
[18:43] <paddatrapper> Yeah or move it to events with Ubuntu education
[18:43]  * chesedo kmf and other Prt guys are involved there
[18:43] <Kilos> yes
[18:43] <chesedo> although only kmf has done stuff so far...
[18:43] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed Move Ubuntu for Hope to events
[18:43] <Maaz> Agreed: Move Ubuntu for Hope to events
[18:43] <Kilos> im trying to remember who
[18:43] <nsnzero> i am in the education field i  can help out there 
[18:44] <chesedo> Kilos: karl is correct
[18:44] <paddatrapper> I work at/attend educational institutions, but we generally use Debian
[18:45] <chesedo> the initial talks of it was about general PC edu at schools...
[18:45] <nsnzero> ubuntu for hope - can only find a facebook page for it 
[18:45] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed nsnzero is willing to help out with Ubuntu for Hope
[18:45] <Maaz> Agreed: nsnzero is willing to help out with Ubuntu for Hope
[18:45] <Kilos> inetpro ping
[18:45] <Kilos> chesedo you sure it wasnt you?
[18:45] <Kilos> oh maybe pieter
[18:45] <Kilos> forget his nick as well
[18:45] <paddatrapper> We probably should put more info out about it? Is it on the trello board?
[18:46] <chesedo> nsnzero: https://ubuntuforhope.org/
[18:46] <Kilos> nsnzero teach me not to forget
[18:46] <chesedo> nsnzero: https://gitlab.com/ubuntuforhope/ubuntuforhope.org
[18:46] <chesedo> Kilos: i am pieter
[18:46] <nsnzero> chesedo: thanks
[18:46] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:46] <chesedo> paddatrapper: good idea and no
[18:46] <Kilos> sorry
[18:47] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed paddatrapper to add links to next meeting's agenda for Ubuntu for Hope
[18:47] <Maaz> Agreed: paddatrapper to add links to next meeting's agenda for Ubuntu for Hope
[18:47] <paddatrapper> and trello board *
[18:47] <paddatrapper> Maaz: topic Events
[18:47] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[18:47] <inetpro> good morning everyone 
[18:47] <paddatrapper> rubyfuza was earlier this month
[18:47] <paddatrapper> hi inetpro 
[18:47] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer 
[18:47] <Maaz> inetpro: Righto
[18:48] <Kilos> lo pro
[18:48]  * chesedo will contact kmf as well... maybe we can get a few fb posts and tweets out...
[18:48] <inetpro> Am I on time again? 
[18:48] <paddatrapper> inetpro: of course :)
[18:48] <chesedo> lol
[18:48] <Kilos> inetpro apologise for being late
[18:48] <Kilos> i did
[18:49] <chesedo> paddatrapper: you can add that too ^^
[18:49] <Kilos> makes the young ones feel good to say accepted
[18:49] <inetpro> thanks paddatrapper ;-)
[18:49] <paddatrapper> Maaz: topic Plans for 2017
[18:49] <Maaz> Current Topic: Plans for 2017
[18:49] <inetpro> oops, sorry Oom Kilos 
[18:49] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed chesedo to contact kmf and organise a few fb posts
[18:49] <Maaz> Agreed: chesedo to contact kmf and organise a few fb posts
[18:49] <chesedo> inetpro: see now we are starting all over again :P
[18:50] <paddatrapper> Sorry my connection is a little slow at the moment
[18:50] <chesedo> np
[18:50] <Kilos> hahahaa
[18:50] <paddatrapper> Ok, shall we move on?
[18:50] <paddatrapper> haha
[18:50]  * chesedo just using it to tease inetpro
[18:50] <paddatrapper> Maaz: topic Events
[18:50] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[18:50] <Kilos> no answer from server for 2 mins
[18:50] <paddatrapper> any feedback from rubyfuza?
[18:51] <Kilos> im lagging bad guys
[18:51] <Kilos> hi williamk 
[18:51] <inetpro> hy lag baie hard? 
[18:52] <chesedo> nope, only know of unloadable that might have had for the docker event...
[18:52] <chesedo> hi williamk
[18:52] <paddatrapper> Ok, then the Docker roadshow?
[18:52] <nsnzero> off topic does ubuntu for hope have a letterhead or something similar ?
[18:52] <williamk> Hi All
[18:52] <nsnzero> hi there williamk 
[18:52] <paddatrapper> hi williamk 
[18:52] <chesedo> nsnzero: nope, it is very simple
[18:52] <inetpro> hi williamk 
[18:52] <williamk> Maaz: I a William Kinghorn
[18:52] <Maaz> williamk: *blink*
[18:53] <Kilos> m
[18:53] <Kilos> maak reg willie
[18:53] <chesedo> nsnzero: you might also want to talk with williamk as he is in the know on education too
[18:53] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed no-one has info on the docker roadshow or rubyfuza
[18:53] <Maaz> Agreed: no-one has info on the docker roadshow or rubyfuza
[18:54] <chesedo> paddatrapper: seems that unloadable may have forgot...
[18:54] <paddatrapper> Lots happening this month though
[18:54] <nsnzero> me moves closer to williamk 
[18:54] <Kilos> he does the books thi k
[18:54] <Kilos> thing
[18:54] <paddatrapper> scaleconf, devconf and FreeBeerSessions all in the beginning of march
[18:54] <williamk> Kilos: still trying
[18:55] <paddatrapper> Anyone planning on attending any?
[18:55] <Kilos> williamk maybe nsnzero can help
[18:56] <chesedo> all are a bit out of my reach
[18:56] <paddatrapper> I'm planning on going to the CT FreeBeerSession
[18:56] <Kilos> wbb
[18:56] <paddatrapper> Should be pretty cool
[18:56] <williamk> nsnzero: just joined so don't know what you talking about
[18:56] <nsnzero> freebeer i am guessing since its open source you get the recipe and make it yourself ?
[18:57]  * chesedo rofl
[18:57] <paddatrapper> nsnzero: that would be libre beer sessions :)
[18:57] <chesedo> then the instruments also has to be open source i guess
[18:57] <inetpro> paddatrapper: I think it was unlaudable who was talking about docker 
[18:57] <paddatrapper> inetpro: ack
[18:58] <nsnzero> williamk: sorry i am alitle lost also - we chat after the meeting 
[18:58] <paddatrapper> scaleconf was looking for helpers, but I think they're now sorted
[18:59] <williamk> For you beer lovers, in the repos - Brewtarget and qbrew
[18:59] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed paddatrapper is attending the free beer sessions CT
[18:59] <Maaz> Agreed: paddatrapper is attending the free beer sessions CT
[19:00] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed scaleconf - 9-10 March, Johannesburg; devconf - 9 March, Johannesburg; FreeBeerSessions - 2 March, Cape Town/Johannesburg
[19:00] <Maaz> Agreed: scaleconf - 9-10 March, Johannesburg; devconf - 9 March, Johannesburg; FreeBeerSessions - 2 March, Cape Town/Johannesburg
[19:00] <paddatrapper> any other events coming up?
[19:01] <chesedo> nope
[19:01] <chesedo> afaik
[19:01] <paddatrapper> Maaz: topic Miscellaneous
[19:01] <Maaz> Current Topic: Miscellaneous
[19:01] <Kilos> williamk they were talking about education stuff like ubuntu for hope and then you arrived just in time
[19:01] <paddatrapper> this may be a topic for nsnzero, williamk: Ubuntu education project
[19:01] <inetpro> chesedo: any developments after your discussion with superfly yesterday? 
[19:02] <inetpro> re the bots with news  etc 
[19:02] <Kilos> yes where are the new bots paddatrapper 
[19:02] <chesedo> inetpro: about trying to split tasks and job listings?
[19:02]  * chesedo almost forgot
[19:02] <Kilos> you guys are slow you know
[19:03] <paddatrapper> Kilos: new bots? I just fix Maaz 
[19:03] <paddatrapper> Is there a wiki-page/trello item that we can track progress on?
[19:03] <Kilos> fly rather goes and plays in the snow
[19:03]  * paddatrapper hasn't looked at the trello board lately
[19:03] <paddatrapper> Kilos: and sick kids
[19:03] <chesedo> paddatrapper: may i have a (late) section after this one?
[19:04] <paddatrapper> chesedo: cool
[19:04] <Kilos> Maaz ddg weather
[19:04] <Maaz> Kilos: Excuse me?
[19:04] <paddatrapper> Kilos: next release of ibid
[19:04] <Kilos> the new ibids man
[19:04] <chesedo> williamk: what is your book about?
[19:05] <Kilos> its about supplying education books to needy kids like me
[19:06] <chesedo> which subject?
[19:06] <chesedo> and how is it going?
[19:06] <williamk> chesedo: Wanting to start Documentation Project, Not only for FLOSS, but also creating Textbooks for schools, only using FLOSS software
[19:07] <williamk> Subjects wii
[19:07] <Kilos> williamk didnt you have some links on the project
[19:07] <paddatrapper> I heard a KDE developer talk about an open source set of textbooks they were developing, but I'm struggling to find a link
[19:08] <chesedo> williamk: if i remember correctly, the issue last time was having a web space to co-ordinate things?
[19:08] <paddatrapper> found it: https://www.wikitolearn.org/
[19:08] <williamk> Subjects will be dependate on who wants to write what, and when teachers join
[19:08] <chesedo> wow, some site that paddatrapper
[19:09] <paddatrapper> williamk: similar to the Shuttleworth Foundation's (I think) Maths and Science textbooks from a few years back?
[19:09] <nsnzero> little info here - seems like the DOE likes to change textbooks every year - i have to get new books with the updates -costs a small fortune
[19:09] <paddatrapper> Maaz: wikiToLearn is https://www.wikitolearn.org/
[19:09] <Maaz> paddatrapper: Got it
[19:10] <paddatrapper> Maaz: KDE education project is also https://www.wikitolearn.org/
[19:10] <Maaz> paddatrapper: I'll remember that
[19:10] <williamk> Something more like http://flossmanuals.net/
[19:10] <Kilos> 2 min lag here guys
[19:11] <nsnzero> thutong.doe.gov.za
[19:11] <chesedo> williamk: will it be for sa schools (or aimed at)?
[19:12] <chesedo> nsnzero: that site does not exist
[19:12] <williamk> Where we have a book creation colloborative app , and a website where people can download to the finnished books
[19:12] <nsnzero> http://www.thutong.doe.gov.za/
[19:13] <williamk> chesedo: Yes for SA school, but others can adapt to their needs
[19:13] <chesedo> oh boy, that thing does not even have a dns record for when the www is missing
[19:14] <chesedo> williamk: so which next step is needed?
[19:14] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed williamk wants to start a documentation project, Not only for FLOSS, but also creating Textbooks for schools, only using FLOSS software
[19:14] <Maaz> Agreed: williamk wants to start a documentation project, Not only for FLOSS, but also creating Textbooks for schools, only using FLOSS software
[19:15] <superfly> Sorry I missed the meeting, it's in the middle of my morning
[19:15] <nsnzero> morning superfly 
[19:15] <paddatrapper> np superfly, morning
[19:15] <superfly> or are we still in it?
[19:16] <inetpro> yep 
[19:16] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[19:16] <Maaz> superfly: Okay
[19:16] <nsnzero> if i have some time i will work on leads to help out williamk 
[19:16] <chesedo> np superfly, you are just in time to further yesterday's discussion... we are almost there
[19:16] <paddatrapper> superfly: talking about Ubuntu education projects
[19:16] <paddatrapper> alright, chesedo you have the floor
[19:17] <chesedo> thanks paddatrapper
[19:17] <chesedo> yesterday superfly shared the structure of their meetings over there and it sparked 3 ideas...
[19:18] <chesedo> to have a news and/or jobs listings sections?
[19:18] <chesedo> to divide these meeting sections to peers?
[19:19] <inetpro> bye zaki
[19:19] <nsnzero> like sub committees  to report back ?
[19:19] <chesedo> like blaze always seems to be in the know on the latest stuff if he would like to share the highlights...
[19:19]  * Kilos pricks ears
[19:20] <theblazehen> chesedo sounds good
[19:20] <chesedo> and hilton (from sulug) has posted a lot of jobs listing in the past... and then there is also the jobs listings at each's own works that others my find interesting...
[19:21] <paddatrapper> chesedo: and the third thing?
[19:21] <williamk> DBE has the National Curriculum Statement http://www.education.gov.za/Curriculum/CurriculumAssessmentPolicyStatements(CAPS)/CAPSFET.aspx
[19:21] <chesedo> paddatrapper: i went blank :D
[19:21] <williamk> We have to put that into manuals
[19:21] <paddatrapper> chesedo: lol :)
[19:22] <Kilos> old age
[19:22] <inetpro> 1. news, 2. jobs and 3. blank 
[19:22]  * Kilos feels good
[19:22] <paddatrapper> I like the job listings, I'm not sure how the peers idea would work in practice
[19:23] <inetpro> next time fill in the blank 
[19:23] <chesedo> either point one was two things, or there was another...
[19:23] <paddatrapper> news is also good :)
[19:24] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:24] <chesedo> and sounds like theblazehen is up to it...
[19:24] <inetpro> superfly: help 
[19:24] <nsnzero> ubuntu 17 beta 1 is released 
[19:24] <superfly> inetpro: I have no idea, it was chesedo's ideas, I just shared the logs from the most recent AZLoCo meeting,.
[19:24] <superfly> chesedo: I also mentioned weekly meetings, but I think that's a bit much for Ubuntu-ZA
[19:25] <chesedo> paddatrapper: i can try to reach hilton to discuss his input (or find his methods)...
[19:25] <superfly> post on the mailing list?
[19:25] <paddatrapper> chesedo: Ok, but in principle I'm game
[19:25] <magespawn> good night all
[19:26] <chesedo> superfly: things like news and the positions can became stale in a month so we may have to see about that
[19:26] <nsnzero> night magespawn 
[19:26] <paddatrapper> Maybe they should be plugins/knowledge we add to Maaz?
[19:26] <superfly> maybe a mini meeting once a week and a maxi meeting once a month? irrunno
[19:27] <superfly> that's a lot of work
[19:27] <inetpro> could work 
[19:27] <chesedo> paddatrapper: the peers idea is like say has a collection of news (that get shared with him) and some else the positions...
[19:27] <paddatrapper> chesedo: ah ok
[19:27] <chesedo> then they would quickly list them (like events) in the meeting and we move on...
[19:28] <Kilos> thanks for joining us superfly 
[19:28] <chesedo> theblazehen: are you up for it?
[19:28] <Kilos> we know you yanks are rather busy
[19:28] <paddatrapper> Ok shall we try it out next month and see how it goes? or try a mini weekly meeting?
[19:29] <theblazehen> chesedo:  yeah
[19:29] <Kilos> wb williamk 
[19:29] <inetpro> someone would have to go through the list of news and reduce it to just the top 5 or so 
[19:29] <chesedo> maybe biweekly first, to test it and keep the load small
[19:29] <chesedo> inetpro: correct
[19:30] <paddatrapper> sounds good, though my attendance in the evening for the next while is going to be spotty
[19:30] <superfly> good idea, chesedo
[19:30] <williamk> Kilos : still here
[19:30] <Kilos> :D
[19:30] <chesedo> so the mini meeting will be about the news, positions and maybe education if we can start it
[19:30] <chesedo> ?
[19:30] <paddatrapper> what day of the week?
[19:31] <paddatrapper> I suggest a Wednesday or Monday
[19:31] <chesedo> i have no idea... guess there is a reason why it is Tuesdays?
[19:31] <chesedo> Kilos inetpro superfly nsnzero ^^
[19:32] <inetpro> tough one 
[19:32] <superfly> irunno
[19:32] <chesedo> williamk your input too ^^
[19:32] <Kilos> was to accomodate maia
[19:32] <Kilos> anyday ok with me if i can stay awake
[19:32] <inetpro> book the meeting and have it with those who can make it 
[19:32] <chesedo> paddatrapper: seems like your call
[19:33]  * chesedo ok with both
[19:33] <paddatrapper> Wednesday then? Mondays seem to be a little slow
[19:33]  * theblazehen is good with any day
[19:33] <chesedo> paddatrapper: +1
[19:33] <Kilos> check mailing list as well and see if you can get feedack form some new guys
[19:33] <inetpro> ya Mondays can be rough 
[19:33] <Kilos> s/form/from
[19:34] <williamk> Kilos : start the meet at 7:30 or 8
[19:34] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed biweekly mini meeting about the news, positions and maybe education on Wednesdays
[19:34] <Maaz> Agreed: biweekly mini meeting about the news, positions and maybe education on Wednesdays
[19:34] <nsnzero> guys i am calling it a night - i will catch up tomorrow 
[19:34] <nsnzero> good night all
[19:34] <chesedo> night nsnzero
[19:34] <Kilos> williamk the family gues prefer 8 or 8.30
[19:34] <Kilos> im easy
[19:34] <inetpro> peeps with kids need family time 
[19:34] <williamk> nsnzero : do you still want to talk
[19:35] <paddatrapper> I'd go with 8:30, to keep it consistant
[19:35] <chesedo> right
[19:35] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed Mini meeting start at 20:30 SAST
[19:35] <Maaz> Agreed: Mini meeting start at 20:30 SAST
[19:35] <Kilos> 2 weeks time
[19:35] <chesedo> paddatrapper: and theblazehen to handle the news section
[19:36] <Kilos> get list feedback
[19:36] <chesedo> Kilos: right
[19:36] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed Starting in two weeks (14 March) theblazehen will handle the news
[19:36] <Maaz> Agreed: Starting in two weeks (14 March) theblazehen will handle the news
[19:36] <paddatrapper> Maaz: topic Next meeting
[19:36] <Maaz> Current Topic: Next meeting
[19:37] <chesedo> paddatrapper: that would be the 15th (Wednesday)
[19:37] <paddatrapper> The next full meeting is 28 March 2017 @ 20:30
[19:37] <paddatrapper> chesedo: thanks
[19:37] <chesedo> +1
[19:37] <inetpro> +1
[19:37] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed mini meeting 15 March, not 14 march
[19:37] <Maaz> Agreed: mini meeting 15 March, not 14 march
[19:37] <Kilos> thanks for attending everyone and well done paddatrapper 
[19:37] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed Next meeting is 28 March 2017 @ 20:30 
[19:37] <Maaz> Agreed: Next meeting is 28 March 2017 @ 20:30
[19:38] <paddatrapper> Maaz: topic Elect chairperson for next meeting 
[19:38] <Maaz> Current Topic: Elect chairperson for next meeting
[19:38] <williamk> Thanks all
[19:38] <inetpro> so we list the mini meetings in the topic as well? 
[19:38] <paddatrapper> I will probably not be here next month, so who wants to chair?
[19:38]  * chesedo thinks paddatrapper did an excelent job
[19:38] <Kilos> yip 
[19:38] <chesedo> i will be here if no one else is
[19:38] <Kilos> you on next meet chesedo 
[19:39] <chesedo> inetpro: you want another wack?
[19:39] <Kilos> chesedo +1
[19:39] <inetpro> +1 for chesedo 
[19:39] <Kilos> haha
[19:39] <inetpro> my days are packed 
[19:39] <paddatrapper> lol
[19:40] <chesedo> np inetpro
[19:40] <Kilos> and im busy
[19:40] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed chesedo to chair next meeting
[19:40] <Maaz> Agreed: chesedo to chair next meeting
[19:40] <Kilos> im getting like everyone else now
[19:40] <paddatrapper> Thanks everyone for coming
[19:40] <paddatrapper> Maaz: end meeting
[19:40] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[19:40] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2017-02-28-18-32-52.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2017-02-28-18-32-52.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2017-02-28-18-32-52.html
[19:40] <Kilos> even when sleeping they busy
[19:40] <inetpro> thanks paddatrapper 
[19:40] <Kilos> danke paddatrapper 
[19:40] <superfly> By the way, apparently Makro now sells servers: https://www.makro.co.za/computing-and-mobile/servers-EAG/pg1?CategoryBusinessKeys=EAG&Division=General%20Merchandise&Category4=Desktops%20and%20Notebooks&Category3=Servers
[19:40] <chesedo> and thank you paddatrapper for a great job
[19:40] <paddatrapper> thanks guys, anytime
[19:40] <Kilos> yes paddatrapper well done lad
[19:41] <chesedo> they also sell hard drives for over R150k
[19:41] <Kilos> those feet dont affect you much
[19:41] <inetpro> anyone importing mobile phones? 
[19:41] <paddatrapper> Kilos: lol, just need my hands to type!
[19:41] <Kilos> lol
[19:41]  * chesedo would like to import and aquarius in the future, but not currently
[19:42] <chesedo> a/and/an/
[19:42]  * inetpro wants a cheap Samsung A5 2017
[19:42] <inetpro> or better 
[19:43] <superfly> inetpro: anything that's not a Samsung is better
[19:43] <inetpro> ai! 
[19:43] <Kilos> thank you guys , and sorry i missed so many meetings
[19:43] <paddatrapper> samsung is solid, they just keep going
[19:43] <chesedo> williamk: how did it go with the server that you wanted to setup last year?
[19:43] <superfly> paddatrapper: not in my experience. LG does a better job
[19:44] <inetpro> thanks paddatrapper, I agree with you there 
[19:44] <paddatrapper> superfly: I still have a S2 that is going strong (just needs a new battery)
[19:44] <superfly> paddatrapper: my S3 was a complete fail
[19:45] <superfly> My LG G2 is still going strong
[19:45] <paddatrapper> S3 was dodgy, yeah...
[19:45] <inetpro> my son still using my old Note 2 from 6 years ago 
[19:45] <paddatrapper> I also still have a Note 2 - my dad is currently using it
[19:46] <inetpro> ok maybe not 6, but 5 years 
[19:47] <inetpro> almost 
[19:47] <williamk> Chesedo: did not work out, still trying
[19:47] <chesedo> williamk: what was the software you tried again?
[19:49] <Kilos> night guys . sleep tight
[19:49] <williamk> Booktype, I eventually got it working, but on Debian, but could not create PDFs
[19:50] <williamk> Night Kilos
[19:52] <williamk> Pressbooks ( WordPress plugin ) has a pay plugin for creating PDFs, but mow has a free plugin based on mPDF, so am going to try that
[19:53] <chesedo> williamk: ah right... i can try to see if i can get it up on my server during the week
[19:54] <williamk> Also going to try coko.foundation Pubsweet : https://coko.foundation/new-pubsweet-release/
[19:54] <chesedo> williamk: what are the main features you are looking for?
[19:55] <paddatrapper> williamk: I'm a little hestant about booktype, mainly because I distrust sourcefabric. They abandoned their FLOSS radio scheduling software Airtime in favour of their hosted propriatary version. They can quite easily do the same here...
[19:55] <paddatrapper> What about LaTeX files in git?
[19:58] <paddatrapper> All depends what you are looking for...
[19:58] <paddatrapper> alright I'm off. Night everyone
[19:58] <paddatrapper> Maaz: FLOSS Manuals is http://flossmanuals.net/
[19:58] <Maaz> paddatrapper: Got it
[19:59] <williamk> chesedo: create manuals for FLOSS software, textbooks for schools, FLOSS manuals for ECDL/ICDL Certification using FLOSS, created with FLOSS Software
[19:59] <inetpro> good night everybody 
[20:00] <williamk> ECDL/ICDL Certification : eg.  Using LibreOffice instead of MS Office
[20:00] <chesedo> williamk: by features i mean... allow collaboration... export to pdf...
[20:01] <chesedo> for the app to have that is...
[20:01] <williamk> Yes collaboration
[20:02] <williamk> Pubsweet is all about creating books/whatever collaboratively
[20:02] <chesedo> ok so far i have: it should be floss, have collaboration and support pdf and possible postscript for the textbook creation
[20:03] <chesedo> it seems nice too
[20:03] <williamk> https://coko.foundation/facilitation/
[20:06] <chesedo> williamk: i might try it first and will let you know
[20:07] <williamk> Chesedo : Thanks, am also going to try, Will be using MariaDB with PressBooks
[20:09] <williamk> Also possibly EPUB format
[20:09] <chesedo> ok, 5 items... got it
[20:11] <chesedo> i am off to bed... night guys
[20:12] <williamk> Night chesedo, all