[00:20] <Unit193> I quite agree.
[00:21] <Unit193> knome: In that case, did you see my lament about base-files?
[00:21] <knome> no
[00:26] <bluesabre> Unit193, feel free to also blacklist that for us
[00:39] <Unit193> Well that sounds nice, I'd pretty much keep the comment intact for reference.
[00:39] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oh, gonna bump -artwork? :P
[00:40] <bluesabre> Unit193, yeah, need to
[00:40] <bluesabre> also pending wp update
[00:40] <Unit193> You'd know better than me about the icon themes and all.
[03:52] <tracker4> ls
[03:52] <tracker4> test
[03:53] <tracker4> whois
[03:54] <Unit193> Toodles.
[11:23] <ochosi> bluesabre, Unit193: hey, would be really nice if we could get libxfce4ui 4.13 into https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xfce4-gtk3, as it is e.g. a requirement for building xfce4-settings from master
[11:25] <Unit193> It's in Zesty proper.
[11:26] <ochosi> hmmm right
[11:26]  * ochosi is still on yak
[11:27] <Unit193> xfce4-settings is in there too. :>
[11:27] <ochosi> gtk3?
[11:28] <ochosi> in zesty?
[11:29] <Unit193> PPA.
[12:06] <bluesabre> ochosi, zesty is nice and stable, using it as a daily driver with no issues
[12:24] <flocculant> ochosi: same here :)
[12:25] <Unit193> It usually is pretty decent, our stuff is pretty much never complicated. :)
[12:26] <flocculant> yea - to be fair I think most of the issues I find are mostly otherbuntu or I've broken something :D
[12:29] <flocculant> still no idea why my otherzest refuses to play some mkv files - but once the partition is aa beta1 we'll never know :D
[13:58] <akxwi-dave> can confirm here as well Zesty playing really nice as daily.. Day of Defeat:Source runs even better than before
[17:58] <flocculant> knome: is this supposed to be dead now? http://xubuntu.org/news/category/faq
[19:15] <knome> flocculant, it
[19:16] <knome> eh
[19:16] <knome> flocculant, it's supposed to be at http://xubuntu.org/news/tag/faq/
[19:16] <knome> if we link to the old address somewhere, feel free to fix or tell me to ;)
[19:50] <flocculant> knome: was just picking up from #xubuntu
[19:51] <flocculant> and if I'd found it I would of course have probably tried to fix it - if I could log in :)
[19:51] <knome> :)
[20:52] <ochosi> flocculant: do you still have a gtk2 panel around?
[20:52] <ochosi> i'd just need a very quick test (<30s)
[21:00] <flocculant> ochosi: umm not sire
[21:01] <Unit193> No PPA contains the GTK3 panel.
[21:01] <flocculant> ochosi: yea I have a gtk2 panel around :D
[21:01] <flocculant> Unit193: thought so - but you were quicker than me and firefox and ppa list :p
[21:02] <ochosi> so basically the test case is this: 1) go to the panel prefs, set hiding to "intelligently"
[21:02] <ochosi> 2) then open a left-click menu (e.g. whiskermenu) and close it
[21:02] <ochosi> (while keeping the mouse-cursor over the panel area and while having a window partly cover the panel so it would go back into hiding without mouse-focus)
[21:03] <ochosi> 3) after closing the menu, is the panel still there or is it hidden?
[21:03] <flocculant> umm - intelligently hiding isn't hiding at all 
[21:03] <ochosi> it only hides when you have e.g. a maximized window
[21:03] <ochosi> or when you move a window over the panel's location
[21:03] <ochosi> it "ducks" :)
[21:04] <flocculant> aah yea I remember now ...
[21:04] <ochosi> yeah, it's a tricky feature
[21:05] <flocculant> panel hides
[21:05] <flocculant> oh
[21:06] <flocculant> hang on - having trouble parsing what you said :D
[21:06] <ochosi> take your time ;)
[21:08] <flocculant> panel hides with some window half over panel and ending whatever left click panel menu
[21:09] <flocculant> also - is panel supposed to unhide if desktop gets focus from window half over panel?
[21:09] <flocculant> it unhides as soon as some 'new' window gets focus
[21:10] <flocculant> or rather mouse over desktop fails to unhide but click on desktop does
[21:11] <ochosi> ok, so:
[21:11] <ochosi> 1) panel hides if the focused window covers it (even just partly)
[21:11] <flocculant> ochosi: also see the same behaviour with a right click menu btw
[21:11] <ochosi> 2) panel should remain visible if a menu is opened
[21:12] <ochosi> 3) what happens if the focused window does not overlap the panel and you close the menu
[21:14] <flocculant> if the focused window doesn't overlap - intellihide doesn't trigger 
[21:16] <ochosi> for me it still flickers for a split-second when opening and closing whiskermenu
[21:16] <ochosi> it remains there, but it flickers
[21:17] <ochosi> not with every plugin though it seems
[21:17] <ochosi> or the flicker isn't always visible is probably more accurate
[21:17] <flocculant> definitley no flicker I can see
[21:17] <ochosi> (i'm testing intellihide with gtk3, as you probably guessed)
[21:17] <flocculant> which plugin do you see it with?
[21:18] <flocculant> yea :) saw mention in xfce-dev
[21:18] <flocculant> ftr I was using whisker, places, sound
[21:20] <flocculant> ochosi: also, if it makes more sense to ping me for these things in #xfce so other people there can see the results then please do so :)
[21:20] <ochosi> ok sure
[21:21] <flocculant> I'm easy - you choose when it suits which channel :)
[21:21] <ochosi> same here
[21:22] <flocculant> :)
[21:22] <ochosi> andrzejr is luckily hanging out here too ;)
[21:22] <flocculant> :)
[21:23] <flocculant> so reading #xfce-d, seems that gtk3 works the same way as gtk2 ?
[21:24] <ochosi> yeah, apart from the small flicker i noticed, it seems to work alright
[21:24] <flocculant> ochosi: so which plugin(s) do you see it with? or any?
[21:26] <ochosi> seems pretty much any
[21:26] <ochosi> ok, now this is better.
[21:26] <ochosi> 1) maximize a window
[21:27] <ochosi> 2) bring a small window that does *not* cover the panel to the front/focus
[21:27] <ochosi> 3) click to open a menu and then to close it
[21:27] <ochosi> for me, the panel jumps out and in again in this case
[21:27] <ochosi> very noticably in this setup
[21:30] <flocculant> in that setup here - panel never hides because maximised window doesn't gain focus
[21:31] <ochosi> right, then that's a regression of the gtk3 version
[21:31] <flocculant> as soon as max window gets focus it hides - all seems to work as I'd expect
[21:32] <flocculant> I guess only way for me to be sure I'm seeing the same is for me to build gtk3 panel 
[21:32] <Unit193> andrzejr: ↑
[21:34] <ochosi> flocculant: it's in git master now, so no weird branches or anything
[21:34] <andrzejr> Unit193, which part ↑ are you referring to?
[21:36] <flocculant> ochosi: and point me at that then :p
[21:36] <ochosi> http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/
[21:36] <ochosi> just build normally with ./autogen.sh && make && sudo make install
[21:36] <ochosi> that'll make it go to /usr/local so you can cleanly uninstall
[21:37] <ochosi> however, it will take down your panel settings
[21:37] <ochosi> so be sure to back that up with xfpanel-switch before you try that
[21:37] <flocculant> yup
[21:37] <flocculant> and before that - this is a clean install no git or anything ... 
[21:37] <ochosi> (simply because the panel doesn't find your plugins, for that you would have to install with a different --prefix, but that's irrelevant for this test)
[21:40] <flocculant> ochosi: to be sure I'm cloning git://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel ?
[21:40] <ochosi> yup
[21:42] <flocculant> oh lord here we go ...The required package ...
[21:43] <ochosi> :>
[21:43] <ochosi> you need the xfce-gtk3 ppa
[21:43] <ochosi> mostly
[21:43] <ochosi> and apt-get build-dep xfce4-panel
[21:44] <flocculant> got ppa, got build-deps
[21:44] <flocculant> garcon-gtk3-1 it wants
[21:46] <Unit193> libgarcon-2-0-dev from the ppa.
[21:46] <flocculant> which I installed but it still complains 
[21:47] <flocculant> Unit193: yea 
[21:55] <flocculant> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24086547/
[21:56] <flocculant> I'm lost there then :)
[22:32] <flocculant> got past that install libxfce4ui stuffs and then libwnck stuff
[22:36] <ochosi> indeed, that is odd
[23:06] <bluesabre> evening all
[23:06] <Unit193> Howdy.
[23:06] <knome> hullooo bluesabre 
[23:07] <bluesabre> uh oh
[23:07] <Unit193> bluesabre: Didja look into ffe'ing notifyd? :P
[23:07] <bluesabre> quick responses, you guys were lying in wait
[23:07] <Unit193> ...Yes.
[23:07] <knome> yes indeed
[23:07] <bluesabre> Unit193, need to do that tonight... but a bit tied up the past few days
[23:07] <bluesabre> *been
[23:07] <knome> literally?
[23:07] <knome> :P
[23:07] <Unit193> Sure it's fine, just figured I'd aa...
[23:07] <Unit193> ..sk.
[23:07]  * bluesabre won't say
[23:08] <knome> (:
[23:11] <bluesabre> anything else I need to be aware of?
[23:11] <bluesabre> knome, I'll happily beta test your wallpaper
[23:11] <knome> haha
[23:11] <Unit193> Nope.  I uploaded some plugin that had a bugfix release, uploaded something to PPA.
[23:12] <bluesabre> cool
[23:12] <knome> bluesabre, i might get something for you to test tomorrow :P
[23:12] <bluesabre> knome, awesome, looking forward to it
[23:12] <knome> but test, not upload ;)
[23:12] <bluesabre> :D