[06:09] <hikiko> hi
[06:29] <duflu> Morning hikiko
[06:29] <duflu> Afternoon for others
[06:29] <duflu> Autumn for some :)
[08:52] <b4n> hi!
[08:52] <b4n> andyrock: re. a11y shortcuts:
[08:53] <b4n> if using XI2 "normally" doesn't really work, would we have another, possibly transitional, solution?
[08:54] <b4n> a separate plugin providing shortcuts handling for a11y tools, based off AT-SPI (meh, the API doesn't look good), or XI2 (maybe in another process)?
[08:54] <b4n> or maybe allow Actions to be triggered remotely through a socket/DBus/whataver API, so a separate app could take care of the event handling and control Compiz?
[08:55] <b4n> for specific things obviously
[08:56] <b4n> I kinda like the idea of remote control, but it might raise a question on how to avoid bad interaction between Compiz's normal handling and remote commands if they happen roughly at the same time.  But it cuold ismply not be handled specially and the setup should make sure not to trigger the same thing that compiz already does
[08:59] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:02] <Laney> parump pump pump
[09:05] <willcooke> morning all
[09:07] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney davmor2
[09:07] <seb128> how is u.k today?
[09:07] <seb128> enjoyed the pancakes?
[09:07] <davmor2> seb128: still full of pancake
[09:07] <andyrock> b4n, that could work but hard to implment
[09:07] <andyrock> *implement
[09:07] <seb128> hey andyrock
[09:07] <andyrock> and hey all
[09:07] <andyrock> :D
[09:07] <b4n> hey andyrock
[09:08] <b4n> andyrock: do you have any acceptable idea that would work and be reasonable to implement?
[09:08]  * willcooke checks the time
[09:08]  * willcooke . . o O (Hmm. Before noon)
[09:09] <willcooke> Hey andyrock :DD
[09:09] <seb128> willcooke, it's tea time!
[09:09] <willcooke> seb128, \o/
[09:09] <seb128> but that's not saying a lot for you right?
[09:09] <willcooke> lol
[09:09] <seb128> it's always tea time in the u.k
[09:09] <seb128> :-)
[09:09] <seb128> but yeah, what's up with italians being awake in the morning?!
[09:09] <seb128> next Trevinho is going to say hello?
[09:10] <andyrock> ahahaahah
[09:10] <seb128> :-)
[09:11] <andyrock> b4n: I would suggest you to understand why xi2 with CompScreen::dpy() does not work
[09:12] <b4n> andyrock: hum, okay.  i'm afraid i'll have to learn a lot about all that before I can start to understand anything, but well ^^
[09:12] <Trevinho> hi seb128 :-D
[09:12] <seb128> see! what's going on here?!
[09:12] <seb128> hey Trevinho :-)
[09:12] <willcooke> WHHAAAAAAAAA
[09:13] <Trevinho> ahah..
[09:13] <b4n> andyrock: but then, it's theoretically possible to get both X and XI2 events together in the same loop without conflicts?
[09:13] <andyrock> yep
[09:13] <Trevinho> It's just that we're not morning speakers :_D
[09:13] <andyrock> i still need to get my coffee
[09:14] <davmor2> seb128: no tea time is afternoon/evening not morning, Morning is Elevensies
[09:14] <davmor2> willcooke: Elevensies time :D
[09:14] <b4n> andyrock: okay.  I'll try and look into that, but no promises given my current X event expertise ^^
[09:14] <willcooke> davmor2, I'm still washing down the Marmite
[09:15] <davmor2> willcooke: oh you're one of those are you ;)
[09:15] <Trevinho> Laney: about that unity7.service, you want also uss in wants?
[09:15] <willcooke> davmor2, is this the start of a civil war?
[09:15] <Trevinho> Laney: I mean, I thought it not being there causing more serious problems, but... well, at leas something is there
[09:16] <willcooke> davmor2, look at the state of this:  http://imgur.com/a/klgo9
[09:16] <Trevinho> probably the one that is making unity the less usable is anyway BAMF
[09:16] <Laney> hey seb128 willcooke andyrock davmor2 Trevinho
[09:16] <Trevinho> willcooke: Oh... I want the store to sell them again!!!
[09:16] <Laney> Trevinho: It's alright if it crashes and restarts isn't it?
[09:16] <willcooke> Trevinho, yeah! The only sell the grey ones now :(((((
[09:16] <Laney> better than crashing the session anyway
[09:16] <Laney> or?
[09:16] <Trevinho> willcooke: Mine is still in pretty good state (lovely washed with hands for years)...
[09:17] <Trevinho> but I'm always worried that someone could break it
[09:17] <willcooke> Trevinho, wise!  I chuck mine in the dishwasher every day :)  Plus my wife broke my grey one :/
[09:20] <Trevinho> willcooke: oh, I didn't want to be her in that moment :-D
[09:21] <Trevinho> Laney: well, no it's not better... I loved the idea that unity didn't start if these prereq were not there
[09:21] <Trevinho> so that we couldn't give a broken state
[09:21] <Trevinho> but, it seems we can't have both cases (i.e. if a component then crashes, the everything follows)
[09:22] <Trevinho> Damn, I knew I should have gone to ski this morning... http://imgur.com/a/rHgPF :|
[09:22] <davmor2> willcooke: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AoE68cz63OUescCRiR9W4QG4I9aORLVrig/view?usp=sharing My mug is more evil than yours :D
[09:23] <willcooke> LD
[09:23] <willcooke> :D
[09:23] <Laney> Trevinho: Not better?
[09:23] <Laney> Right, well, if you think that crashing the session is better then Requires is what you want...
[09:24] <Trevinho> Laney: it's not better... it was a trade off.... I wanted to make start unity7 to ensure it starts all the rest, but that leads us to this situation, where something crashing, causes the world to explode
[09:24] <Trevinho> so.... I agree it's just better to move everything
[09:24] <Laney> mmm
[09:24] <Laney> maybe there's some way to achieve that
[09:25] <Laney> but then you get: ups has a crash bug on startup -> can't start the session
[09:26] <Trevinho> Laney: which, for ups is also.. okeish... you're just going to miss indicators, but bamf or uss, it would just bring something that you can't work with
[09:27] <Trevinho> Laney: anwyay, I've pushed the wants-only version, so if you're fine with that. please give your coin
[09:27] <Laney> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[09:27] <Laney> usd is probably different, you're right
[09:27] <Laney> it's not really a working session without that
[09:27] <Laney> but I don't know how to achieve this
[09:28] <Laney> unless we give it an OnFailure= that does something nice maybe
[09:28] <Laney> something to think about
[09:28] <Laney> thanks for pushing! can you give me the link again please?
[09:28] <Trevinho> Laney: I instead wanted to make the session to crash when unity in locked state and unity crashes
[09:29] <Trevinho> Laney: https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity/unity7-wants-ups
[09:29] <Laney> that would be good too
[09:31] <Laney> maybe something with BindsTo and the target could help there
[09:31] <Laney> not sure atm
[09:32] <Laney> Trevinho: should be RequiredBy=ubuntu-session.target, no?
[09:32] <Laney> the session itself isn't valid without unity7, but unity7 is (arguably) valid without those other things
[09:33]  * Laney approved, feel free to fix that as you like
[09:33] <Trevinho> Laney: yeah, we discussed with pitti too... the idea was to define a unity-locked target and that would cause to change the relationship with th esession
[11:08] <Laney> Trevinho: If you didn't get far on the zeitgeist diff, I can do it quickly
[11:08]  * Laney wants to upload this
[11:34] <Trevinho> Laney: I can do it after lunch...
[11:35] <Laney> nah, don't worry about it
[11:35] <Trevinho> Laney: as you prefer... you also move to 1.0?
[11:35] <Laney> yeah
[11:35] <Trevinho> good
[11:35] <Laney> I take the other diff and apply your fix
[11:35] <Trevinho> Laney: jbicha one?
[11:36] <Laney> yeah
[11:36] <Trevinho> good...
[11:36] <Laney> wonder what work they're having done next door
[11:36] <Laney> lot of banging
[12:05] <davmor2> Laney: You're assuming it is work, they might just enjoy annoying you with banging
[12:06]  * Laney sniggers
[12:16] <Laney> fnrrrrr
[15:42] <Trevinho> Laney: nice work with that
[15:43] <Trevinho> (not speaking of your neighbours :-D, but of zeitgeist)
[15:43] <Laney> heh
[15:43]  * Laney hugs Trevinho 
[15:43] <Laney> thanks for the debate
[15:43] <Laney> :P
[15:44] <Trevinho> Laney: you should get involved in Politics too :-D
[15:45] <Laney> heheh
[15:45] <Laney> close enough to that with bike stuff sometimes
[15:46] <Laney> anyway it was hard to test the iso in a clean state
[15:46] <Laney> but i think it worked, will know for sure tomorrow
[15:50] <seb128> bah, "issue of the day" today, can't switch between sessions without getting my gpu locked/graphical corruption or my user session being closed for some $reason :-/
[15:50] <seb128> it's not specific to today, just happened to try to test a bug on the greeter
[15:51] <seb128> intel support of that old gen quite regressed over years :-(
[15:52] <Laney> :(
[16:13] <b4n> andyrock: do you have an embryonic patch that adds the non-working XI2?  It would probably save me some initial research
[16:20] <Trevinho> seb128: now that libappindicator3-1 SRU is in xenial, you can use that as stage-package in the gnomeruntime...
[16:42] <seb128> Trevinho, great, thanks!
[16:43] <Trevinho> seb128: still using the remote part will save you to use "prime:" to clean the unneeded files though ;-)
[16:44] <seb128> Trevinho, you are quite insistant on that :p
[16:44] <seb128> Trevinho, convince Didier, he's the one maintaining the helper
[16:45] <seb128> oh, that would be in the runtime
[16:45] <Trevinho> seb128: ahah, well, he was fine for the helper actually (and two PRs got merged, and then reverted because of troubles)... But snapcraft has some issues with remote of remotes... not for the runtime though
[16:47] <seb128> k
[16:47] <seb128> well I still think we should bundle too much, we can revisit if there is user demand or if we see it's creating issue
[16:47] <seb128> but there was no sign of that so far
[17:04] <jbicha> qengho: is there a particular reason why Ubuntu's Chromium sets use_gconf=true instead of false like Debian?
[18:20] <Laney> night!
[18:24] <willcooke> night laney
[18:24] <willcooke> and night from me o/
[18:26] <seb128> night Laney
[18:26] <seb128> & desktop
[18:26] <seb128> see you tomorrow!
[18:37] <qengho> jbicha: as I recall, it's to get access to display-density information in settings.
[18:40] <jbicha> qengho: do you want me to file a bug? I'd like to not have gconf installed on my computer any more